Great post, but you blew it in the first line... no, I don't think anyone thinks global warming is the cause of humans. These days we mostly cause each other...
*sigh* cite, please? Which particular GCM's output are you thinking of, and which particular *weather* phenomena are you referring to? You know there's a difference between weather and climate, right? You know what "detection and attribution" means, yes?
I live in Colorado. I don't give two hoots about houses being designed for earthquake surviveability I realise I'm taking that out of context, and you're not advocating this PoV. However, just for the saying of it: there's more reason to care about earthquake resistant buildings on the west coast than simple ethics of caring about human suffering. If California'd been flattened by the Lomo Prieta earthquake of 89, as it would have been without those building codes, how different would the world look today? Hint: technology.
You're right, of course, I can plead posting in a great hurry in the middle of what we laughingly call a "high priority issue" at work. Involving a large bank. Good fun, but doesn't make for accurate posts;)
Amplification of warming at the poles is predicted by all current GCMs (global climate models.) This is not a surprise to anyone who's been following the science.
More detail than you ever wanted: here, here, here and especially here, from last week.
I was going to post a few more examples but so much easier to post the Google link. I would only like to mention "lead poisoning" --> gunshot wound and "CTD" --> circling the drain
Years ago I used to work at a music publishing company as a tape copier / runner, one of the regular jobs was making "comparison tapes" - ten seconds of one of our tracks, ten seconds from a possible copyright-infringing tune. Anyone out there got New Order's "Republic" andMassive Attack's "Blue Lines"? Listen to the string breakdown at the end of "Special" -- around 4'10" (yes I'm checking!) Now go listen to "Unfinished Sympathy". Eerie, huh?
And how about Manic Street Preachers "Interiors" from the "Everything Must Go" album... listen to the bassline and the rhythm guitar skank. Now compare it to Saint Etienne's "Nothing Can Stop Us Now" from "Foxbase Alpha".
Of course these musicians sold their copyrights to music publishers who have the funding to take legal action. Is there a legal aid programme in Finland?
oh god, how hard I've tried to stay out of this, but I just can't.
Global warming is happening, but why it is happening is what is under serious debate. No, it is not! The "serious debate" consists of talking points promulgated by commerical interests. Just why do you think the US is so out of step with the rest of the world on this? Do you think we're all suckers for a bunch of budget-hungry corrupt environmentalists? Please. Go read Real Climate for a few months, then come back and say the cause of the warming is being debated. The debate is over.. Attribution of warming is conclusive and unequivocal: it's anthropogenic, unless the air pixies are running around polishing all the atoms to get them to magically heat up (and then they'd also have to find a way to divert or neuter the enormous thermal inertia resulting from the incontrovertible additional forcing in the last couple of centuries. The American people - some large chunk of it, anyway, an coincidentally it seems to map closely to the set of USian citizen who believed that Saddam had WMD, that the Iraqi people would welcome their liberators with flowers, and that five years later Iraq would be a shining beacon of freedom and democracy lighting up the dark corners of the Middle East. In other words: the credulous, the suckers, those indoctrinated to believe baseless "authority" (politicians and marketing) without question.
I used to really enjoy the climate change stories on Slashdot... but really, do we really need to know about another looney anti-science freak in the US? I'm increasingly starting to think that it doesn't really matter. The rest of the world have made up their minds and are doing it without the US - and anyway, lots of clueful people are doing significant stuff at state levels and below.
And I very rarely learn anything new on these threads, since I started reading RealClimate; and even the entertaining troll posts about not wanting to go back to living in caves, and anyway it's all a scam by the Chinese to destroy American industry have died back in the last year or so.
So how's the weather back there in the States? Pretty miserable in the NE this time of year, I bet.
Good grief, the ignorance is astonishing. If you MUST believe in some mumbo-jumbo bullshit at least find out something about the blasphemers and infidels you're busy killing in middle east.
I have decided to excercise free thinking, and I have reached the conclusion that Allah and God simply cannot be the same deity, regardless of what anyone else says. Thank you, brother! Your words are symbolic of our struggle against oppression. And reality.
Yes, because Symantec really really wants to be on the end of a million-strong class action from users who's businesses went bust after the accounting system reformatted it's disk after someone accidentally forgot to check the MD5 sum and applied a trojan'd patch; or even juts because of bugs in the unofficial patch. (You think Symantec has spare test capacity to run regression tests on every supported flavour of Windows, including the foreign language versions? In combination with SQL Server, Exchange, Active Directory, IIS? Yeah, there'd be a big profit motive for them to do that.
What a crock of shit. This is what they really do. Scum-suckers. Let's get the VPs into a Congressional hearing and have them swear on oath that they don't believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas, or that humans have raised atmospheric levels from ~250ppm to 380ppm in an unprecedentedly short 200 year period, or that this change in atmospheric composition will have significant effects on the global climate. It won't help, but in 20 years' time hopefully they'll be treated with the ridicule and contempt they so richly deserve.
And that goes for those of you holding Exxon stock, too. Sell, sell, sell. (Being entirely mercenary, and setting aside all the science, they're obviously not very good business people, or they'd have invested in alternatives the way Shell, BP etc have.
The Royal Society recently issued a fairly unprecedented public warning to Exxon to stop perverting science in the name of $$$. I'm sure the UCS are a very worthy body, but the Royal Society are somewhat more prestigious and authoritative (what with having been founded by Newton, Boyle and Hooke, amongst others, being the oldest such learned body in the world, and still representing the elite (in a good way) of UK science. Exxon ("Esso" here in the UK) are still, as the Greenpeace campaign from 5 years ago pointed out, "#1 Global Warming Villain".
My dear chap, as I write this I am waiting for Test Match Special to start on the BBC (the wireless, not on television.) It's a special night tonight -- England are about to lose an historic fifth Ashes test, making the first series whitewash since 1921. As a true Englishman, I am of course very proud of this heroic failure, coming only 18 months after the England team took them back from the Australians, widely held to be the best team in the world at the moment.
If you don't know what the Ashes are, or a Test match,.. no, the idea is too absurd to consider.
Kettles take up a lot of room on the kitchen counter surface for what they do. You've been in the US too long, geezer! You can't put a price on the value of a life-saving cuppa.
is there really a good basis for argument against these cameras
Of course there's a good basis for the argument against. However, that's not going to help those of us who retain a tenuous hold on rationality; the vast mass of the population will of course believe when they're told that this proves ubiquitous CCTV is essential. The only other things that could be used to market the scheme would be someone getting arrested for a terrorist offence (cos let's face it, being arrested for terrorism makes you guilty in the US) or the dreaded paedophiles. Check out the tenor of the public debate in UK tabloid newspapers over the last decade or two for a sneak preview of what's coming. Complain that CCTV infringes your right to privacy? Get your name and photo published in a national newspaper as a "paedophile sympathiser"! (Rebecca Whatsername who edits the News of the Screws at the moment deserves a special circle in hell to herself, IMO. She's the absolute scum of the earth.)
Is Apple as bad as MS when it comes to fixing security flaws?
Actually, Apple are much slower than Microsoft at fixing bugs. It's hard to compare like with like, perhaps the least indirect way to see Apple's slow response is to compare the speed with which Linux and BSD distros package and release fixes, and the official Apple releases for the same bugs. Microsoft have on occasion turned a bug round within their calendar-month release cycle (ie released a patch for a bug on the very next patch Tuesday.)
Arguably this is because Microsoft have had a lot more practice, having had more bugs to fix;) but there it is.
BTW I do Vuln. Management (aka the whole bug, exploit, fix, test, install cycle) at work, which involves monitoring all the lists and vendor lists, and tracking releases for particular bugs across many different platforms.
Really? Source? Sounds pretty unlikely to me, how many people grow their own veg *and* use animal manure fertilizer on it? You can't exactly buy buckets of cow-shit in the local garden centre...
Anyway, (a) no-one in the UK got mad cow disease; they got Creuzfeld-Jakob Disease; (b) AFAIK the total number of cases is about 150, in 15 years, in a country with a population of 60,000,000. That's a good working definition of "statistically insignificant";)
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*sigh* cite, please? Which particular GCM's output are you thinking of, and which particular *weather* phenomena are you referring to? You know there's a difference between weather and climate, right? You know what "detection and attribution" means, yes?
You're right, of course, I can plead posting in a great hurry in the middle of what we laughingly call a "high priority issue" at work. Involving a large bank. Good fun, but doesn't make for accurate posts ;)
More detail than you ever wanted: here, here, here and especially here, from last week.
I was going to post a few more examples but so much easier to post the Google link. I would only like to mention "lead poisoning" --> gunshot wound and "CTD" --> circling the drain
And how about Manic Street Preachers "Interiors" from the "Everything Must Go" album... listen to the bassline and the rhythm guitar skank. Now compare it to Saint Etienne's "Nothing Can Stop Us Now" from "Foxbase Alpha".
Of course these musicians sold their copyrights to music publishers who have the funding to take legal action. Is there a legal aid programme in Finland?
And I very rarely learn anything new on these threads, since I started reading RealClimate; and even the entertaining troll posts about not wanting to go back to living in caves, and anyway it's all a scam by the Chinese to destroy American industry have died back in the last year or so.
So how's the weather back there in the States? Pretty miserable in the NE this time of year, I bet.
It's not "giving the money away" - it's called "contributing to society". Twat.
"Oppose the Nazis? Why, it's impossible, so it's pointless to try, so I'll keep quiet and allow everyone to assume I support them."
What did you do to try to prevent it happening?
Good grief, the ignorance is astonishing. If you MUST believe in some mumbo-jumbo bullshit at least find out something about the blasphemers and infidels you're busy killing in middle east.
Iran?
Yes, because Symantec really really wants to be on the end of a million-strong class action from users who's businesses went bust after the accounting system reformatted it's disk after someone accidentally forgot to check the MD5 sum and applied a trojan'd patch; or even juts because of bugs in the unofficial patch. (You think Symantec has spare test capacity to run regression tests on every supported flavour of Windows, including the foreign language versions? In combination with SQL Server, Exchange, Active Directory, IIS? Yeah, there'd be a big profit motive for them to do that.
And that goes for those of you holding Exxon stock, too. Sell, sell, sell. (Being entirely mercenary, and setting aside all the science, they're obviously not very good business people, or they'd have invested in alternatives the way Shell, BP etc have.
The Royal Society recently issued a fairly unprecedented public warning to Exxon to stop perverting science in the name of $$$. I'm sure the UCS are a very worthy body, but the Royal Society are somewhat more prestigious and authoritative (what with having been founded by Newton, Boyle and Hooke, amongst others, being the oldest such learned body in the world, and still representing the elite (in a good way) of UK science. Exxon ("Esso" here in the UK) are still, as the Greenpeace campaign from 5 years ago pointed out, "#1 Global Warming Villain".
If you don't know what the Ashes are, or a Test match,.. no, the idea is too absurd to consider.
Of course there's a good basis for the argument against. However, that's not going to help those of us who retain a tenuous hold on rationality; the vast mass of the population will of course believe when they're told that this proves ubiquitous CCTV is essential. The only other things that could be used to market the scheme would be someone getting arrested for a terrorist offence (cos let's face it, being arrested for terrorism makes you guilty in the US) or the dreaded paedophiles. Check out the tenor of the public debate in UK tabloid newspapers over the last decade or two for a sneak preview of what's coming. Complain that CCTV infringes your right to privacy? Get your name and photo published in a national newspaper as a "paedophile sympathiser"! (Rebecca Whatsername who edits the News of the Screws at the moment deserves a special circle in hell to herself, IMO. She's the absolute scum of the earth.)
Actually, Apple are much slower than Microsoft at fixing bugs. It's hard to compare like with like, perhaps the least indirect way to see Apple's slow response is to compare the speed with which Linux and BSD distros package and release fixes, and the official Apple releases for the same bugs. Microsoft have on occasion turned a bug round within their calendar-month release cycle (ie released a patch for a bug on the very next patch Tuesday.) Arguably this is because Microsoft have had a lot more practice, having had more bugs to fix ;) but there it is.
BTW I do Vuln. Management (aka the whole bug, exploit, fix, test, install cycle) at work, which involves monitoring all the lists and vendor lists, and tracking releases for particular bugs across many different platforms.
Yeah, but throwing chairs has never been Steve Jobs' style.
Yeah, but so what? BSE isn't what's killing meat-eaters 10 years before the veggies. It's cancer, heart disease, and stroke.
Anyway, (a) no-one in the UK got mad cow disease; they got Creuzfeld-Jakob Disease; (b) AFAIK the total number of cases is about 150, in 15 years, in a country with a population of 60,000,000. That's a good working definition of "statistically insignificant" ;)