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What Bizarre IT Setups Have You Seen?

MicklePickle wonders: "I was talking to a co-worker the other day about the history of our company, (which shall remain nameless), and he started reminiscing about some of the IT hacks that our company did. Like running 10BaseT down a storm water drain to connect two buildings, using a dripping tap to keep the sewerage U-bend full of water in a computer room, (huh?). And some not so strange ones like running SCSI out to 100m, and running a major financial system on a long forgotten computer in a cupboard. I know that there must be a plethora of IT hacks around. What are some you've seen?"

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  1. Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by ShaunC · · Score: 1, Funny

    How about this one?

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    1. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by OECD · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about the 10 MB email limit? That seemed to show up in the last 5 years or so. Before that I've had success with almost every size attachment I've been sent (and I do printing, so I see some pretty fat files.) When was the meeting held where they decided that?

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    2. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by xploraiswakco · · Score: 1

      How about the 10 MB email limit? That seemed to show up in the last 5 years or so. Before that I've had success with almost every size attachment I've been sent (and I do printing, so I see some pretty fat files.)When was the meeting held where they decided that? In a previous job I found myself having to add/enforce a 50MB limit after some stff tried to send 100+MB movie files around the office and only to complain about their email clients suddenly becoming very slow while they downloaded the large attachments. Remember guys, email was not originally designed to handle files, handling attachments is an add-on to an old system. I use to support not putting file limits, but since more than half the office was using Outlook (the client having the most issues) or Entourage (mac version thereof), I now see it is better to enforce a size limit and provide or teach alturnatives when the files/emails are too big.
    3. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Hanners1979 · · Score: 1

      Yep, I work for a very big multi-national company, and we have a 10MB e-mail limit here. Mind you, considering the number of users who have tried sending 50MB or so e-mails to all users within the company, it really is a blessing in disguise...

    4. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even worse, I've seen morons trying to use email as a file server.

    5. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by JASegler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      10 MB email limit I wouldn't allow that on any mail server I run.. 1 MB tops. Email is not for large file transfers.

      Back in 1999-2000 time frame I was working at an office that had been acquired by a larger company.
      Said larger company used Exchange for all their email needs. Our office used an old desktop running linux. It was shoved in a corner of the server room but mainly forgotten.

      I had set a limit of 1MB on email attachments on the linux server after some secretaries decided to start swapping 40MB word docs back and forth via email instead of the shared drives. They pretty much killed the mail server simply because it didn't have the disk space or IO speed to handle 40 MB attachments.

      One day the HR department in the larger company decided to send out a 20MB PR fluff make you feel good about working here newletter.. via email.. to all 500+ employees.. Completely crashed the exchange server. Our little email server happily rejected the garbage and kept on trucking.

      About 9 months after I left that company I got a call to rebuild the linux server. The hard drive had failed and no one knew anything about it.

      At another company there was an old Novell Netware 3.x server in a closet.. covered in about an inch of dust with an uptime in the 4 year range.

      -Jerry

    6. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by verucabong · · Score: 1

      Perhaps your documentation should have been better :)

    7. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Firehand · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know a similar limit showed up at my university (to remain nameless) shortly after a friend of mine backed up his hard drive as a uuencoded email message to himself. It was only on the server for a couple of hours but still...

    8. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by vgan · · Score: 1

      Want to see how fast you can bring an exchange server to its knees? Remove all SMTP attachment and mailbox size limitations. Your mailbox store will grow exponentially and you'll see people stop using your file servers. I walked into a sysadmin position once with this scenario. Not pretty.

    9. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They decided this when people would send out 10+ meg files out to a large group of recipients.

      10 megs x lots of emails generated in the mail server = lag or crash

      Also, sending big files isn't what email was meant for. There are proper solutions to this out there (i.e. FTP, IM file transfer, SCP).

    10. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by meanween · · Score: 1

      Without limits I think a lot of admins are seeing problems with disk consumption, not just on the live server but then on the backups, and then even on e-mail retention systems. In the finanial industries or publicly trades companies laws are now requiring that mail (for some users) be retained for years. So Joe User sends a 20 meg attachment to his buddy elsewhere in the company. Now it's on two mail servers. Both servers are using space for tier 1 storage, oh then that whole server gets backed up. Then since that company is required to archive his mail it's stored on a longer term retention system for say 3 years. And don't forget that you have to backup that retention system too so there's another backup, or have a mirror for disater recovery. Basically, 20 megs could eat up 4+ more times more storage and could continue to use space even after that file is deleted. Oye. Multiple by x number of Joe's sending large attachments and you can see what I'm getting at... from a policy perspective limits make managing the required storage a bit easier and less costly.

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    11. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Taelron · · Score: 1

      The 10mb limit has been a "standard" since before I started doing IT work in 1995. Some companys in the late 90's even started implementing tighter limits around 2mb per attachment or email because of heavy traffic bogging everything down. In more recent years there has been a loosening again on the size of attachments and e-mails, but occasionally you will still run into servers rejecting over 10mb. (One of my engineer clients loves to try sending 17 to 20 mb autocad files and complains when they dont get through...) As for odd, back when I was in the military my unit was the first unit to bounce 256k data internet signals over GMF (Ground Mobil Force) Satellite links. The Cisco routers were piped through Crypto equipment, then out to a CSU/DSU modem and then out a circuit in the van. Even though we had redundant circuits, routers, and cryptographic equipment, we were also forced to carry an old 75 baud modem that weight 150 pounds, was 3 feet long by 2 feet wide as a redundancy... Never had to actually use it, so dont know if it actually worked... In North Carolina, a place known for frequent lightining storms, one organization ran 10baseT outside between two buildings but decided to run it up high so it wouldnt get hit by vehicles. The resulting twin metal towers became a magnet for lightning strikes and blew out the motherboards of more than a half dozen computers before they realized they needed a better solution. (The PC's were early model 1990 pc's at oer $10k a piece.)

    12. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Divebus · · Score: 1

      Even worse, I've seen morons trying to use email as a file server.

      Exactly. Email everything to themselves because they can find it easier that way. GUI designers take note.

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    13. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by CyanDisaster · · Score: 1

      Don't you know what good documentation does to one's job security?

      Hope be with ye,
      Cyan

    14. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by meme_police · · Score: 1
      #1, SMTP isn't a File Transfer Protocol. #2, can you spell DOS?

      Every company, from small to large, that I've worked for that has provided Internet email access has had a limit on attachment size between 4MB and 8MB. And only one of them, my current company, uses Exchange.

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    15. Re:Bizarre IT setup seen around the country... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My boss has a mail file hundreds of MB in size and complains that his email is so slow. Most of it is attachments of videos and pictures that his friends keep sending him. I keep telling him to save them to his computer and delete the emails but does he ever listen?

  2. Windows on a ATM by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Why put that on there?

    1. Re:Windows on a ATM by cowwie · · Score: 1

      The ones that don't run Windows still run OS/2.

      Lesser of the two evils?

    2. Re:Windows on a ATM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even worse I've seen them crash, automatically reboot themselfs and during the boot process you see all the applications starting through a batch file telling you what it's doing! (no @echo off)

      It would be curious to know how these machines are actually permitted and how they are "secured".

    3. Re:Windows on a ATM by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      About 10 years ago, I took a tour of one of the U.S. Navy's AEGIS cruisers. One of the interesting things I saw in the armaments room was a standard PC running Windows 3.11. I was a bit scared for our defenses. Alas, hopefully it wasn't networked,... ;-)

    4. Re:Windows on a ATM by THEbwana · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hehe.. I remember pointing this out to a colleague. I said it was insane, he said that I was a MS hater.
      10 minutes later as we were on our way to lunch, my colleague had to withdraw money from one of the brand spanking new wintendo ATM's that had just been installed. The ATM bluescreened while he was making a withdrawal (after it said - wait for your funds). So basically, he got his card back but the money never came. He checked the account and noticed that the money had left his bank account (without any money actually being paid out to him). He spent his entire lunch break arguing with bank staff about getting his money back while I went to eat. I never heard him say anything pro MS after that.
      I find it incredible that - in addition to running Windows on the ATM, it had no concept of transactions.

  3. the U-Bend by Helix150 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to clarify- the U-Bend is what prevents bathrooms and drains from smelling horrible. Inside the drain, shower water, sink water and toilet waste all mix together. As you can imagine this smells horrible. So, where every toilet, sink, shower, etc connects to the drain system there is a 'u-bend'- a downward dip in the pipe which stays full of water. This prevents air from flowing out of the empty drain.
    Most sinks have their u-bend visible under the sink and look like this:
    http://twenteenthcentury.com/uologos/ubend_shaded. png
    Water flows in the top, and out the back. Because the back is higher than the bottom of the bend, the bottom stays full of water at all times, preventing air from passing.

    Problem is, if you leave a drain long enough without water passing through it, the water in the u-bend can evaporate, leaving an empty pipe and allowign the nasty sewer smell to escape. Thus, leave a faucet dripping to keep the U-Bend full!

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    1. Re:the U-Bend by Ninjaesque+One · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would think that running the water for 5 minutes while using it(exempli grata:to wash greasy face after long day at work) would cost less than leaving it dripping.

      But I guess you guys aren't responsible for utility bills and stuff.

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    2. Re:the U-Bend by TFoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      The U-Bend isn't just for smell, it is also a safety issue: sewer gases can be poisonous or even explosive if allowed to collect.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_gas

    3. Re:the U-Bend by Helix150 · · Score: 3, Informative

      running the water at any sort of regular interval will keep the u-bend full. For the U-bend to evaporate would take weeks or months probably. Even the slightest drip should more than counter the evaporation. And it probably seemed like a better solution than a server room which stank up every month for no apparent reason :)

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    4. Re:the U-Bend by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, and it's a huge hassle in vacant commercial buildings. Somebody needs to run every water tap and flush every toilet about once a month, or the whole place will stink up. Then the smell gets into the carpeting, which makes it hard to rent the building.

      For special situations, there are calibrated drip valves. These are often found as part of fire sprinkler systems, which usually have a drain valve for when you need to drain the system for maintenance. The water from the drain valve has to go somewhere, which usually means a sewer connection. But you can't hook a water line to a sewer line; there are situations when you'd suck sewerage into the water system. So there has to be a vacuum break open to air. After the vacuum break, there's a U-trap with water to keep sewer gas inside. But since such drains are seldom used, the water will evaporate. So a tiny bit of water has to be dripped into the drain to keep up with evaporation. There are special "drip valves" for this.

      One of the things you need to know about if you run large data centers.

    5. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How come when you remove that "U-bend" piece of pipe to find lost items you're not assaulted by stench?

    6. Re:the U-Bend by djh101010 · · Score: 1

      How come when you remove that "U-bend" piece of pipe to find lost items you're not assaulted by stench?

      Oh, you are. But why post this as AC?

    7. Re:the U-Bend by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Interesting
      So a tiny bit of water has to be dripped into the drain to keep up with evaporation. There are special "drip valves" for this.
      I was surprised to see, in a large warehouse store, some automatic urinal flush reservoirs (they flush the toilets every so often) whose output was hooked to about 30 small half-inch pipes going into the floor. The reservoirs were installed about 20 feet high on columns.

      Some amount of cogitation was needed to realize that each of those small pipes was headed to the traps of the floor drains installed throughout the store...

      Now that's a (plumbing) hack in the true meaning of the term!

    8. Re:the U-Bend by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      running the water at any sort of regular interval will keep the u-bend full. For the U-bend to evaporate would take weeks or months probably.
      Some decades ago, I shared an appartment in Paris with a total technical ignoramus (a philosophy professor). When I arrived, I found that the bathroom reeked. Upon investigation, the smell came from a washing machine drain which was not used (no washing machine), and hastily plugged with balls of crumpled paper and a totally ineffective piece of plastic held by an elastic.

      Removing the blockage and pouring several glass of water in the drain did the trick...

    9. Re:the U-Bend by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You know, they do make solutions for that...

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    10. Re:the U-Bend by senaattori · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I pour vegetable oil into the u-bend of our server room's sewerage. Vegetable oil itself doesn't evaporate very quickly. As it floats on top of water, it forms a layer which prevent's the water from evaporating.

    11. Re:the U-Bend by TykeClone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fill the trap with cooking oil - it will stop the smell and will not evaporate as quickly as water would.

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    12. Re:the U-Bend by tezbobobo · · Score: 1

      Except in Australia where sewage and gray water( showers etc...) are not mixed.

    13. Re:the U-Bend by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Fill the trap with cooking oil - it will stop the smell and will not evaporate as quickly as water would.

      Sure! That will stop the smell - until the oil goes rancid. Ever smell bad vegetable oil? Trust me - YOU DON'T WANT TO.

      Maybe mineral oil would be ok, but cooking oil is a BAD IDEA...

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    14. Re:the U-Bend by ozbird · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fill the trap with cooking oil - it will stop the smell and will not evaporate as quickly as water would.

      Please don't. It's a hassle to remove in the sewage treatment works, and can solidify into a oil/water goo that clogs the pipes.

      Instead, simply fit the plug or cover the drain - it keeps the smell out, and reduces evaporation. (If fitting the plug might cause the sink to overflow due to a dripping tap, you probably don't have an evaporation problem.)

    15. Re:the U-Bend by LittleBigLui · · Score: 1

      I recently had to remove such a thing and while i wasn't exactly "assaulted by stench" it did smell disgusting.

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    16. Re:the U-Bend by coolgeek · · Score: 1

      I don't know if Martinez sewer gas does it like Oakland sewer gas.

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    17. Re:the U-Bend by Desert+Raven · · Score: 1

      I'll still bet you've got traps.

      RVs have separate gray and black water systems too, and I'm here to tell you, while the grey water doesn't smell like shite, it still has a tremendous pong that you *don't* want in your home.

    18. Re:the U-Bend by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      One factor thought to have helped the spread of SARS in Hong Kong a few years ago was the drainage system in old blocks of flats. The bathroom floor drains connected to the sewage system, and if the floor was just wiped clean without much water then the U-tube dried out and noxious vapors and possibly viruses drifted up in aerosol form.

    19. Re:the U-Bend by akozakie · · Score: 1

      Depends on the U-bend. At work we have a drain in the toilet floor for easier cleaning and in case of a spill (typical, isn't it). It has a very flat U-bend. In the summer it takes about two-three days for it to evaporate if the cleaners sweep the floors with too little water (ecological, right?) It often reeks, usually on Mondays. Solution - go there with a glass and pour some water.

    20. Re:the U-Bend by akozakie · · Score: 1

      The plug won't work on any bathtubs or sinks I've seen here. They all have a second, upper drain to prevent overflow (and make it possible to remove a plug with broken chain with a full bathtub), which doesn't have a plug nad is often shaped in a way that makes it almost impossible to cover it well.

    21. Re:the U-Bend by GerryHattrick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I started, pre-computer, the accounts department had rows of incredibly noisy mechanical 'Marchant' multiplying machines, each on a resonant all-steel desk. The production department kindly sent up inch-thick felt pads, and the racket subsided. Then came re-equipment with the precious 'electronic' machines (Anita*) with a line of hot number-valves ('tubes') along the top. But accountants are traditionalists, so the felt pads loyally stayed on, as a kind of sympathetic magic for quiet calculation. Ventilation was supposed to come from below, but of course it never came through thick felt. Thus the Anitas were extra popular - because if you put your meat pies on the generous top during the morning tea-break, they'd be hot for everyone by lunchtime. * http://www.xnumber.com/xnumber/photo_anita_C_VIII. htm

    22. Re:the U-Bend by MadCow42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Plastic cling-wrap is your friend.... it works wonders on toilets and such, or over sinks where you can't plug the overflow drain as well. It's great for cottages that you seal up for the winter.

      Kevin.

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    23. Re:the U-Bend by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention - don't forget to remove the cling-wrap in the spring when you open up your cottage. It can be a nasty surprise if someone tries to use the toilet without removing it. It's usually fairly clear film after all. :)

      MadCow.

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    24. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virii aren't generally air borne. so they can't just float of of a drain.
      it would take force to propel a virus into the air aka a sneeze.

      Virii only lives/survives/lasts (depends if you agree its alive or not) for a matter of hours outside of a living host.
      Due to its short lifespan it's generally passed in a short matter of time from physical objects, or by direct contact with a host/person .

    25. Re:the U-Bend by PenguSven · · Score: 0

      Im quite astonished as to WHY in gods name you would have a sink/basin/tap in a server room in the first place!? I mean, i learnt pretty early on that LOTS of electricity and a source of water are generally a BAD combination!

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    26. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh oh! Looks like Homeland Security is on your trail AC! Note Mr. djh101010, if that is your real name, ... I wasn't the one that posted the parent. I know we ACs look alike, but I _want_ you to catch that villain!

    27. Re:the U-Bend by packeteer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Vegetable oil will eventually go bad and stink all on its own. Use mineral oil.

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    28. Re:the U-Bend by QuickFox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fill the trap with cooking oil

      No need to fill it, a few drops are enough. Oil floats on water, it spreads and forms a thin film on the surface. You get a lid that efficiently prevents water evaporation.

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    29. Re:the U-Bend by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      I just want to know why you would EVER have a WATER SOURCE in a room full of costly electronics. Seriously. I'd just have the water shut off to the room, the sink removed and the drains capped. Problem solved, and no risk of flooding the server room. (Why the hell would you need a sink in a server room anyway? Do the hamsters running the servers need water periodically?)

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    30. Re:the U-Bend by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      Surely a server room that resembled the Bog of Eternal Stench is every BOFH's wet dream? (BYO Halon system of course...) It's keep the gefingerpoken mit spitzensparken to a minimum, and could be a handy form of punishment...

    31. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      As an aside, I've done this a lot and the "stench" is usually not that bad. It's bad but it doesn't smell of human waste unless someone recently took a dump. The microorganisms that break down the waste work amazingly fast. I was once in a cabin that had an indoor no-water toilet from Sweden or someplace. It had a hand rotated drum the (your) waste would fall into, where it would be tumbled a moment with some ordinary peat moss. No smell. None. Even if your diet included meat. The resulting compost went into the garden once every week if I recall correctly. Much better than the totally open air latrine outside. The views were better outside, but there was a mountain lion in the area...

    32. Re:the U-Bend by qwijibo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm glad you don't design server rooms I use. You've solved one problem while introducing various others based on a single superstitious belief.

      Air conditioners are a common feature in server rooms. The ones used in this context maintain a certain humidity level. If the humidity is too high, there's risk of damage to the hardware, if it's too low it's easier for static to build up, which is bad for the hardware. When the humidity is too high, the air conditioners remove water from the air. This water needs to go somewhere, so a drain is a good choice. If the humidity is too low, they need a supply of water, for which tap water is sufficient.

      Drains are also a common feature in server rooms because if water does get in there, they do not want to have the room flooded.

    33. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you want a wiiff of something try repacing that wax ring on your toilet, glad dad was around to stuff the hole with a rag.
      we always called that U bend a pee trap....must be another hoosier term...LOL

    34. Re:the U-Bend by j79zlr · · Score: 1

      Actually its called a trap primer, look at Z1021. Drip valves are used to drain water from a pipe that should remain dry downstream of a closed valve.

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    35. Re:the U-Bend by winnabago · · Score: 5, Funny

      No need to fill it, a few drops are enough. Oil floats on water, it spreads and forms a thin film on the surface. You get a lid that efficiently prevents water evaporation.

      This is starting to sound like the introduction for the most boring Mythbusters ever.

      "And then we waited for several weeks, comparing the rate of evaporation to our control toilet...."

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    36. Re:the U-Bend by fbjon · · Score: 2, Informative
      Or you can just pour some cheap cooking oil into it, which will stay there for a long time. Put a sign on top of the drain as a reminder not to flush it out, if someone goes there.

      You should also pour some oil into the toilet when traveling, as it will collect on the surface, preventing water from evaporating.

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    37. Re:the U-Bend by pointbeing · · Score: 1
      ...sewer gases can be poisonous or even explosive if allowed to collect.

      I know mine are but I thought it was just part of being middle-aged.

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    38. Re:the U-Bend by Intron · · Score: 1

      Guess you never ran a 3090.

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    39. Re:the U-Bend by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot, where you can not only learn about the gory details of OS kernels and hardware but also the nitty-gritty on plumbing!

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    40. Re:the U-Bend by mbierenfeld · · Score: 1

      some salad oil will solve this :-)

    41. Re:the U-Bend by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just used the colored stuff. Nothing says sealed for your protection like a red piece of plastic over the toilet.

    42. Re:the U-Bend by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Or it can make a great prank if done in someone else's home.

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    43. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Science has dismissed the notion that "noxious odors" from sewers or swamps cause disease for well over a hundred years now. SARS (and viruses in general) aren't spread by rising up into the air.

      Now having someone sneeze or bleed on you is another matter.

    44. Re:the U-Bend by autocracy · · Score: 2, Informative

      See comments above, but basically large HVAC systems (Lieberts come to mind) having humidifier cycles that pump water into the air, and an air conditioner (or, more simply, heat pump) naturally removes water from the air. That creates circumstances for both incoming water lines and drains.

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    45. Re:the U-Bend by d3ac0n · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm glad you don't design server rooms I use. You've solved one problem while introducing various others based on a single superstitious belief.


      Apparently you have never heard of Central Air Conditioning. The condenser sits outside the building, so water drainage isn't really an issue for the server room. Even if you use a wall-unit to add additional cooling, the condenser drainage should ALWAYS be outside the server room. Never ever ever have a water drain going into your server room. Oh, and as far as flooding is concerned, Your server room should always have a slightly elevated floor (about 3-6 inches) in case of a drainage backup from any nearby bathrooms. Any flooding more than that and a drain won't help you. Frankly, the risk of sewage backup from a direct-connected drain is far greater than a small-flood risk anyway. Again, no good reason to have a drain in the floor, and certainly no reason for a sink in the server room.

      Also, since when is "Water + Electricity = Danger" a "Superstitious Belief"? Exactly what universe are you living in again? Because in mine that's not superstition, it's a basic saftey rule you learn in elementary school. Apparently you can bathe with toasters in your dimension. It must be nice when you want some toast during your bath.
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    46. Re:the U-Bend by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      Im quite astonished...

      You see, Grasshoppah, the AC systems in the data center need a cold water line bringing them water for the months that humidity needs to be added to the air. And in the months when de-humidification is needed, the AC systems need a place to dispose of the water that condenses from the air. So, if you have HVAC equipment in your data center, there is most likely water nearby as well. (Do you need a sink in the data center? Probably not.)

    47. Re:the U-Bend by Metaphorically · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. A week or so ago and it was the most disgusting thing I've ever smelled (and seen for that matter). I did not expect this just a half a meter from the shiny place where I brush my teeth.

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    48. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Viruses. Viruses. Viruses. Viruses.

      Where the hell does 'virii' come from? If you must use some bastardised version of latin, why not 'viri'?

    49. Re:the U-Bend by Secrity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Almost all of the data centers that I have been in have some number of Liebert air handlers in the server room. All of these Liebert air handlers have an evaporator which requires a drain and most of them have a humidifier that requires a water source.

    50. Re:the U-Bend by breckinshire · · Score: 1
      (Do you need a sink in the data center? Probably not.)
      Haven't you ever defragged a hard drive? You need somewhere to dispose of the waste frags.
    51. Re:the U-Bend by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      You could have just put a condom over it. Oh... philosophy professor and slashgeek... No condoms available due to lack of need, never mind.

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    52. Re:the U-Bend by redalien · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wish people would use viri, it anthropomorphises the little buggers delightfully.

    53. Re:the U-Bend by alta · · Score: 1

      Call me crazy, but they make caps that fit over, and fit INSIDE the Pipe... I think I would have chosen sealing it off with a threaded cap (for removal) than something like keeping it filled.

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    54. Re:the U-Bend by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Science has dismissed the notion that "noxious odors" from sewers or swamps cause disease

      I didn't use the word "odor". Otherwise, see http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/sars/factsheet.htm

      "Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory illness caused by a coronavirus, called SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV).... The main way that SARS seems to spread is by close person-to-person contact... In addition, it is possible that the SARS virus might spread more broadly through the air (airborne spread)."

    55. Re:the U-Bend by irlanthos · · Score: 1

      Beautiful. This was a great use for what would otherwise have been waste heat.

    56. Re:the U-Bend by irlanthos · · Score: 1

      But, when the server room floods for whatever reason (and I've seen server rooms built below water table in some places) how do you explain to the boss that the drain was capped rather than allow the water to drain?

    57. Re:the U-Bend by ReverendLoki · · Score: 1

      Depends on the specific drain. I had a basement that had a problem with high overall humidity, and required a dehumidifier running to make it livable. However, there were never any water leakage near one of the floor drains, so it tended to dry out at least once a month, if not more, and released a truly awful stink. So, it became a regular ritual to pour water down that drain from time to time. Ultimately, we just made a decent seal on it - not to keep the sewer gas out, but to keep the u-bend from being effected by the dehumidifier.

      I would imagine that a server room with a hefty AC unit running 24/7, especially in winter, might run into a similar situation. Compound the problem if the u-bend is a particularly shallow one.

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    58. Re:the U-Bend by MyHair · · Score: 1
      Apparently you have never heard of Central Air Conditioning. The condenser sits outside the building, so water drainage isn't really an issue for the server room. Even if you use a wall-unit to add additional cooling, the condenser drainage should ALWAYS be outside the server room. Never ever ever have a water drain going into your server room. Oh, and as far as flooding is concerned, Your server room should always have a slightly elevated floor (about 3-6 inches) in case of a drainage backup from any nearby bathrooms. Any flooding more than that and a drain won't help you. Frankly, the risk of sewage backup from a direct-connected drain is far greater than a small-flood risk anyway. Again, no good reason to have a drain in the floor, and certainly no reason for a sink in the server room.


      Apparently you haven't worked in many data centers or messed much with air conditioning. The condenser isn't the part that condenses water...it condenses the coolant, is warmer than ambient air and doesn't get water condensing on it. The evaporator gets water condensation on it, and the evaporator is always inside. In data center A/C's they are in the server room in those big boxes and need drainage for the condensate and the eventual failure and leakage of the humidifier.

      And every elevated floor I've ever seen has lots of cabling under it. Both electrical and data. I wouldn't want any measure of standing water there for any period of time for many reasons...the obvious zap factor and the lingering smell of stagnant water under the floor in hard places to clean, for starters.

      I'd hate to see a server room without dedicated cooling equipment. My last little server room had a small Liebert unit and central A/C vents. (Actually shouldn't be that way, but nevermind.) The SAN on my 2-node cluster was a virtual space heater, and the temp would rapidly shoot up to 90-105 deg F whenever the ancient Liebert unit failed. That unit was ancient, and I consider myself lucky not to have lost equipment to heat failure in the 5 years I was there. Other data centers I've had have redundant cooling units.
    59. Re:the U-Bend by SCO+STINKS · · Score: 0

      For the U-bend to evaporate would take weeks or months probably. Even the slightest drip should more than counter the evaporation.

      This is only true if the plumbing is vented properly. When water or waste goes down a drain air is
      needed to assist otherwise a vacuum is created. Venting provides the air. Most likely there is a
      toilet on the same waste pipe that is sucking the P trap dry.

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    60. Re:the U-Bend by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Fill the trap with cooking oil - it will stop the smell and will not evaporate as quickly as water would.
      And best of all, there's not even the faint possibility of it being a fire hazard compared with water!
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    61. Re:the U-Bend by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1, Redundant
      "Also, since when is "Water + Electricity = Danger" a "Superstitious Belief"? Exactly what universe are you living in again? Because in mine that's not superstition, it's a basic saftey rule you learn in elementary school. Apparently you can bathe with toasters in your dimension. It must be nice when you want some toast during your bath."
      There's a difference between bathing with a toaster and having electrical components in the bathroom. In your straw man, you're putting the toaster in the tub. In your original statement, you're taking the electric toothbrush out of the bathroom. See the difference?
    62. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The condenser sits outside the building

      Wow, completely clueless. The compressor sits outside. I've worked in computer rooms for 35 years, and I have never seen a condenser that was outside. They're on the inside since that is what the air passes through for cooling. You don't send the air out of the building through an outside condenser then back into the building. Because the condensers are in the building you have to have some way of getting rid of the water. You almost always pipe it outside, but those pipes will sometimes clog so you need either a drain or a drip pan with an automatic shutoff.

      I'm working near Atlanta now, and even here with the high humidity in this area at the moment we're having to add water to increase the humidity to reduce static electricity. Keep in mind that because the air can hold more moisture when warm, the relative humidity inside a warm building can easily be dangerously low when it it cold outside. We have to have water pipes running into the data center, and we have drains to prevent a serious problem. In a couple of smaller locations where I've worked we would fill a five gallon humidifier each week, but that gets old. Even with the humidifier going full blast, the humidity in the room right now is sitll only 21%. It takes a lot of added water in the winter to keep a data center running.

    63. Re:the U-Bend by sheetzam · · Score: 1

      Most folks would also like some kind of fire extinguishing system in their room full of sometimes fire prone equipment. And don't start with "well use Halon!"

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    64. Re:the U-Bend by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      They may not cause disease, but they can sure as hell cause oxygen deprivation :)

    65. Re:the U-Bend by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1

      We had exactly this problem at one of my previousd accounts--the water would evaporate and suddenly our nice data centre smelled like a bog. 'Twas most unpleasant.

    66. Re:the U-Bend by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Data centres don't use central air conditioning--I imagine that it's too inefficient for the sort of cooling. They all use in-room air conditioning units (generally Lieberts, for some reason or other). And data centre floors aren't raised a mere 3-6 inches--more like a full foot or more (hence the term 'raised floor'); the underfloor area is used for cable runs and such.

      From your apparent ignorance of data centre design, I wonder if you've ever actually examined, or even been in, an industrial-quality centre. Managing thousands of hosts is not the same thing as keeping a box or two running at the local Snack & Shop...

    67. Re:the U-Bend by fotoflojoe · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention - don't forget to remove the cling-wrap in the spring when you open up your cottage. It can be a nasty surprise if someone tries to use the toilet without removing it. It's usually fairly clear film after all. :)

      There's definately a practical joke living somewhere in your statement...

    68. Re:the U-Bend by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 1

      You get a lid that efficiently prevents water evaporation.
      ...except that it's only on one side of the U-bend. Evaporation will continue on the outflow side, although that side is generally a high-humidity environment.

      And once somebody uses the sink/tub/toilet, you'll need to oil its trap again.

      As an alternative, perhaps anti-freeze?. You often have to do this as part of winterization anyway. As an aside, can someone from the Frozen North tell me how you winterize the sink traps where it's damn cold?

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    69. Re:the U-Bend by k12linux · · Score: 1

      A bit of cooking oil poured into the trap will close it and not have evaporation problems.

    70. Re:the U-Bend by harp2812 · · Score: 1

      As an aside, can someone from the Frozen North tell me how you winterize the sink traps where it's damn cold? Since the trap is open on both ends, the ice generally expands to follow the pipe and doesn't usually cause any damage... worst I've had to deal with as far as the drains go was having to pour a little hot water down the drain to thaw it out again.
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    71. Re:the U-Bend by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      It has been my experience that most floods in buildings originate with the drainage side and not the supply side.

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    72. Re:the U-Bend by cg · · Score: 1

      There are rooms with servers, and there are Data Centers.

      The latter always has multiple, idealy redundant, air handlers. All of which need to drain somewhere. Proper raised floors with elevated cable trays mitigate water concerns.

      I've not had a datacenter flood because of an AC unit or a toilet, but mother nature often seems to find a way. In a pinch, diapers are a great way to hold back the water.

    73. Re:the U-Bend by collectivescott · · Score: 1

      I take it you've never cleaned out a clogged sewer pipe then. Trust me, a sink drain isn't even register on the scale compared to the stench of a sewer pipe.

      As a bonus, you get to test your gag reflex pulling out things that get stuck... like condoms, tampons, and random things that you will never identify.

    74. Re:the U-Bend by BobearQSI · · Score: 1

      This is how those no-flush urinals work, except it's not cooking oil:

      http://www.waterless.com/ecotrap.php

    75. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An easier fix is to pour in some mineral oil or baby oil. It will float on the water and keep it from evapotating.

    76. Re:the U-Bend by crvtec · · Score: 4, Funny

      News for plumbers. S#it that matters.

    77. Re:the U-Bend by mrand · · Score: 1

      Im quite astonished as to WHY in gods name you would have a sink/basin/tap in a server room in the first place!? I mean, i learnt pretty early on that LOTS of electricity and a source of water are generally a BAD combination! In reality, it doesn't matter if the tap is in the server room - if it's within the same building, it can spell disaster.

      I've been to a central office in a major city that was flooded solely due to the water drains in the bathroom and utility room. The CO was otherwise well sealed against the flood. Despite the building being set several feet above normal street level, any equipment within 2 feet of the floor was destroyed and needed to be replaced. Not just active stuff like transport gear and routers, but DS1 and DS3 patch panels and cables as well. To make matters even worse, ALL the racks started rusting and are to be replaced... so even the equipment that survived the flood has to be moved (or suspended) while they take out the rusted racks and install new ones.

      Marc

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    78. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm, I think you'll find that the condenser sits outside, but this is cooling only. The compressor need not site outside but often does, for example as part of a "Condensing Unit" on a split system.

      In a data center the system will be heating (heat pump) and cooling to maintain the constant temperature. In basic terms what happens here is that the refrigeration system is reversed and the indoor cooling coil becomes a condenser.

    79. Re:the U-Bend by HobophobE · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they just use the power of electricity to get a rapid measure? Well, relatively rapid.

      Something like: fix one end of circuit below waterline. Fix other end on some floating piece that will, when waterline drops, be magnetized to other end, complete circuit. Note that the floating has to be wide enough and buoyant enough that the magnetism can't cheat it (can't flip over or pull itself under).

      Fill two drains, one with the small amount of oil at the top. Have a timer started on each, which auto-kills when the circuit is created.

      (I don't know if this is actually a good idea/would work, but it seems "plausible," at least by MB standards.)

      (And yes, I know you were kidding)

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    80. Re:the U-Bend by hastati · · Score: 1

      What about fire supression? Fire=Danger!! Burning servers=Toxic gas

    81. Re:the U-Bend by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      I would think that running the water for 5 minutes while using it

      I would think that anyone satisfying the grandparent's actual description, "if you leave a drain long enough without water passing through it," doesn't have the option of running the water for five minutes while using it, since they're obviously not using it.

      But I guess you guys aren't responsible for utility bills and stuff.

      That light you leave on in the kitchen costs quite a bit more than a dripping faucet.

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    82. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think a lot of data centers use Halon-like gas extinguishing systems rather than water extinguishers.

    83. Re:the U-Bend by Javarufus · · Score: 1

      My Dad was a genius! He always left the faucets on after leaving the bathroom and my Mom would always yell at him.

      Now I can recognize my Dad as a thought leader in the area of sewage handling and household hygiene.

      Good going Dad!

    84. Re:the U-Bend by Run4yourlives · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry? Anti-freeze down the drain? Who does this?

      You winterize exposed piping by closing any water source that is designed to fill the pipe, draining the pipe, leaving the drain open and just walking away.

      In "the frozen north" anti-freeze will freeze too... aside from killing everyone off in the spring.

    85. Re:the U-Bend by PabloJones · · Score: 1

      I work at an architecture firm that specializes in designing office spaces. Sure, most office buildings today have Central Air, but building management is not going to want to run it all night long. In the evening, they turn the A/C way down or off. Any space in which the tenant will be working after regular hours or has a substantial server room usually requires supplemental air conditioning. I worked on such a job a few months ago, and we called for the A/C units to be in the server room, and floor drains had to be drilled into the floor deck. The client's IT department had no problem with this configuration.

    86. Re:the U-Bend by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Central air is neither reliable enough nor uniform enough for a serious server room. One keeps air conditioners in the server room for the same reason one keeps backup generators - external services go down, and in that kind of environment, that simply cannot be tolerated.

      Also, since when is "Water + Electricity = Danger" a "Superstitious Belief"?

      Since clean water suspended in air, such as produced by an air conditioner's condensation process, is an extremely poor conductor of electricity, and since it's not exactly hard to keep control of a fluid volume that small (I mean, it's not like the air conditioner is left to drip on the floor, where the servers are haphazardly strewn amongst beer bottles, unless you get colo at Alpha Chi Kappa.) You should go to an actual data center, and ask to see their air conditioning setup. Just tell them you're considering buying a half rack and you want to see their backup systems personally; they'll give you a guided tour and will positively hammer you with details.

      Then ask them how humidity in the data center works, because you don't actually want aridity. Data centers in Arizona actually run humidifiers, because the air is undesirably dry.

      a "Superstitious Belief"? Exactly what universe are you living in again?

      The one where ambient humidity serves as an insulator and thereby prevents the aggregation of static charge, which is a tremendous risk in a room with that many highly charged moving parts.

      You really shouldn't get on horses that high. The fall hurts.

      Because in mine that's not superstition, it's a basic saftey rule you learn in elementary school.

      I believe the traditional response to this kind of ad verecundiam reference to the extremely detailed and thoroughly considered descriptions of physics given to elementary school children is "yes, and get under your desk and put your head between your knees to keep you safe from the bomb."

      We also tell elementary school children that pixies replace their juvenile teeth with money when they sleep, that the stork brought their little brother timmy, that eating brussels sprouts will make them grow big and tall and that if they keep making that face, it's going to get stuck like that. Also, an eight hundred year old Dutchman with a serious weight problem climbs down a chimney that won't pass a football to give them presents once a year (and go as far as to have the military track him and then superimpose it on weather radar on the news.) In fact, about the only thing we tell them the truth about is that it really isn't what it looks like and daddy isn't hurting mommy and go back to bed.

      So, as a general rule of thumb, if you learned it when you were eight and don't have anything since on which to hang your hat, you don't really understand it well enough to get all high and mighty in public. Why do we oversimplify and tell kids that electricity plus water equals danger? because we don't want them experimenting to sort out when it is and when it isn't. Stray dogs aren't fundamentally dangerous either, but you sure fucking tell them they are, to keep them the hell away from them, for those cases when it's an issue.

      Apparently you can bathe with toasters in your dimension.

      Yeah, putting a heavy power line like a wall socket

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    87. Re:the U-Bend by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      And it probably seemed like a better solution than a server room which stank up every month for no apparent reason :)

      Well, in every mid- or large-sized engineering firm, there's that guy who doesn't bathe. Might be he was just next door, and everybody thought it was him.

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    88. Re:the U-Bend by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

      Except in our case, the A/C for the computer room dried out the water in the U-bend very quickly. So
      the best way was to just leave a tape dripping.

      BTW, as a side note, at home I have to fill up the U-bends every couple of months with water
      otherwise the bathroom starts to stink.

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    89. Re:the U-Bend by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

      It's a shame you weren't working for my company when we had that issue! So many 'engineers'
      and not one of them came up with THAT solution. Fantastic.

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    90. Re:the U-Bend by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have all of that capped off. If something gets clogged further downstream and somebody upstream gets too enthusiastic with a plunger, you could have sewage spraying around your server room.

    91. Re:the U-Bend by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Data centres don't use central air conditioning--I imagine that it's too inefficient for the sort of cooling.

      Nah, it's just a radically different load from what central air is designed for.

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    92. Re:the U-Bend by MicklePickle · · Score: 2, Funny

      It probably needs a bit of explanation. The server room in question was very old, (going back to around
      the pre 10BaseT days - what's ethernet?). All users had serial lines running to their 'workstations' with
      dumb terminals. The several VAXs chugged away in the room, and the fire control system consisted of, er,
      water. :-) Remember, no halogen just shove great buckets of water over anything that's on fire. Mind you
      things did actually catch on fire in those days too!

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    93. Re:the U-Bend by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

      Remember guys that this was in the days of no ethernet, and users had dumb terminals
      to their work area. These days things have changed a LOT and there are a lot more
      options for A/C, and really everything else.....

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    94. Re:the U-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the engineers knew better. Oil/Grease in your sewage pipes is a great way to clog up your system. Most cities spend hundreds of thousands if not millions a year scraping the grease out of sewage pipes.

      Some of them will fine you if they trace it back to your location.

    95. Re:the U-Bend by _damnit_ · · Score: 1

      Grease may be a problem. Oil? Doubt it. There is no reason why clean oils couldn't be used to prevent evaporation. That is exactly how flushless urinals work. The urine is heavier than the "cap" of light oil which sits atop and prevents a smell problem. You'll find more of these cropping up around the world to save on water, plumbing and maintenance.

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    96. Re:the U-Bend by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Why do we oversimplify and tell kids that electricity plus water equals danger? because we don't want them experimenting to sort out when it is and when it isn't.

      Yeah, too bad that, despite all the warnings about strangers with candy/puppies, most 4 year olds will still help one 'go look for their puppy'.

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    97. Re:the U-Bend by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      There are grease skimmers at sewage treament plants.

      You are talking out your ass, eh?

    98. Re:the U-Bend by x-caiver · · Score: 1

      Sure if by "nasty surprise" you mean "hilarious shenanigans"

    99. Re:the U-Bend by Rich0 · · Score: 1
      Slashdot, where you can not only learn about the gory details of OS kernels and hardware but also the nitty-gritty on plumbing!


      Well, how else are you going to understand how all those tubes work! Don't you want to be qualified to work on the internet?
    100. Re:the U-Bend by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 1
      Not the intake pipes!

      My family has a cabin where overnight temps from late November to early March are routinely in the 20s, but very rarely below 10, and never below freezing more than 36 hours. But since the place is pretty old, with crusty old plumbing to match, we try to take precautions.

      Before the first freeze of the year we drain the pipes, then put anti-freeze in the toilet and toilet tank, down the bathtub drain and down the drains for the kitchen and bathroom sinks. We do it this way because that's how our grandfather always did it.

      We don't drain the water heater, figuring the insulation and volume of water will protect it from anything short of a week in the single digits, which won't happen.

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    101. Re:the U-Bend by BillX · · Score: 1

      Nah, based on my limited experience with Mythbusters, they'll quietly run the test, take 45 minutes to explain (and re-explain, with dupe footage) what can be satisfactorily explained in 30 seconds, then use the evaporated trap as an excuse to gratuitously drop a match down and see how big an explosion they can get from the sewer gas.

      Seriously, the last Mythbusters I watched (a pilot falling from an airplane survives by falling into the shockwave of an exploding terrorist bomb in a train station) featured 45 minutes of repetitive prep, and ended with... "and on the last day, we botched the experiment. But here's footage of a big explosion!"

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    102. Re:the U-Bend by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      a pilot falling from an airplane survives by falling into the shockwave of an exploding terrorist bomb in a train station

      This was world war 2. What's the matter with you?

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    103. Re:the U-Bend by Secrity · · Score: 1

      NO, I am talking about present day enterprise level computer room cooling. Some small, non-enterprise level installations may not need distributed air handlers and can get by with other air conditioning arrangements. Hell, I have even seen a few small computer rooms cooled with home type central air conditioners.

      Liebert air handlers are pretty much the gold standard for data center cooling. Whether you are cooling a couple thousand square feet or several hundred thousand square feet of computer cabinets, you need to have distributed air handlers. The air handlers are supplied with chilled water from water chillers that are located outdoors. The air handlers draw air in through the top, cool the air, add humidity if needed, and then blow the air out the bottom; pressurizing the area under the floor with cool air. Cool air is vented up through the floor wherever cooling is needed, either near the computer cabinets or directly into the cabinets.

      One example of cooling an 8,400 square foot computer room is available at http://www.cisl.ucar.edu/news/05/lead/0919.cooling .html

    104. Re:the U-Bend by LokiSteve · · Score: 1

      Actually, ethylene glycol is fine for disposal in a standard sewage system. Just don't dump it into a storm drain. It also tastes delicious.

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    105. Re:the U-Bend by permawired · · Score: 0

      Apparently you can bathe with toasters in your dimension. It must be nice when you want some toast during your bath Actually you can do that... It would appear sir that you are the superstitious one. I have done several experiments PERSONALLY when I was younger after reading a college book about electricity. See if you understand the theory that old belief doesn't make sense. And yes, I'm sure I'll be modded down for saying that because it would prompt people to test other beliefs and we can't have long held tradition challenged now can we. Let the flames begin!

    106. Re:the U-Bend by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      I suppose the only problem is that if you were to exceed the drain's capacity you'd end up with oil on the floor.

      But, then again, the oil would only be a thin layer on top of all the water on the floor. Chances are if your server room looks like that, the oil will be the least of your problems.

    107. Re:the U-Bend by bandmassa · · Score: 1

      In an air-conditioned office building u-bends can run dry in as few as a 4 or 5 days. Air-conditioned atmospheres can be very dry. (Like where I work)-:

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    108. Re:the U-Bend by olip · · Score: 1

      yeah, da utube rulzzz !

  4. Server room heating by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Informative

    Company moved into a new, larger building. The server room had a heating vent leading into it, and no A/C. They solved it by clogging the vent with a bag full of shredded paper and cutting a hole in the wall to install a small consumer single-room air conditioner.

    1. Re:Server room heating by lthown · · Score: 1

      I remember reading a few years ago about someone using one of those but it condensed vapor out into a garbage can beneath the AC unit. One day someone moved the can and spilled water all over the servers underneath it.

    2. Re:Server room heating by nacturation · · Score: 1

      The server room had a heating vent leading into it, and no A/C. They solved it by clogging the vent with a bag full of shredded paper... Uh... shredded paper in a heating vent? Anyone else see anything wrong with that idea?
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    3. Re:Server room heating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it reaches 451 F.

    4. Re:Server room heating by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      He forgot the crushed match heads in the paper. Also soaking the paper in paraffine could be a nice touch.

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    5. Re:Server room heating by lgftsa · · Score: 1

      With no air flow in that section of ducting, the paper has no way of getting hot enough to ignite. I doubt it would ignite anyway, but what do I know. Our yearly minimum temperature here is about 13 degrees Celcius....

    6. Re:Server room heating by Azarael · · Score: 1

      Sometimes you just can't win. Our building has a roof that leaks, sometimes right along the wall next to our development server :-(

    7. Re:Server room heating by GreenEnvy22 · · Score: 1

      At our office, out server/phone room was a 5x10 closet, with NO A/C in it at all. There was a single exhaust fan in the ceiling. The room had all our phone system in it, voicemail, and all the IT equipment including the patch panels, switches, routers, DSL lines, and 4 servers. Oh, and the water main was in this room too, which in addition to being very scary having water pipes 2 feet from the servers, also meant I had to let the water meter guys in there every couple months to read the water meter. When I was hired here I was horrified to see it, and as no money was in the budget for A/C, I cut a hole in one wall and put an intake fan there to at least suck in some cooler air. This helped a bit, but the room was still regularly over 30 degrees C. After 2 years of the routers occasionally rebooting due to heat, an upgrade was finally approved. Still, no money for a big A/C unit, or any space to build a new server room. So, I ordered a self contained cooling rack (Liebert), used on Ebay. This sits in my office and is no noisier then a fridge. I didn't want to rerun all the cabling in the whole building, so I ran a few gigabit lines to it. All the servers are in there, happily in the low 20's C. The router, switches, phones system, and DSL lines are still in the closet, but they all generate little heat, so it's just normal room temperature in there.

    8. Re:Server room heating by autocracy · · Score: 1

      I worked briefly for a small phone company (2 weeks... we rather didn't get along), and one of their central office phone switches was very amusing (for perspective, one CO switch takes up many racks, in this case about 10). They also had a problem with roof leaks. I think it had something to do with a squirrel, but I don't recall how the squirrel might have fit into the story. They solved this by placing 2 inch deep clear plastic trays above the racks with a drain installed in the bottom of them.

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    9. Re:Server room heating by jc42 · · Score: 1

      I had a similar situation during the winter when I was the admin for a computer lab at the U of Wisconsin back in the 1970s. The building was hooked into the universiy's central air and heating system, but during winter they shut down the air conditioning system. You don't need that during a Wisconsin winter, right? But the computer lab was full of equipment that overheated the room. We couldn't get permission to install a small air conditioner in the window (because it's winter in Wisconsin, you know ;-). So what we did was leave the window open a bit. It took some experimenting to determine the correct opening for a given outside temperature, but we were geeks and we could do the experiment. We did have to put up a sign to warn the cleaning people not to close the window at night, but they sometimes did anyway, and then we'd have to restart equipment in the morning because temp sensors had tripped and shut them down.

      This wasn't all that unusual, though. It's a big research campus, and it's normal to see strange things hanging out of partly-open windows. The grounds and security folks long ago learned to ignore the "helpful" calls from people who spotted such strange things and thought they should be reported. A slightly open window on a cold winter night didn't faze them. The main problems were always with the cleaning crews, mostly minimum-wage workers who didn't read too well (even when English was their native language).

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    10. Re:Server room heating by nacturation · · Score: 1

      With no air flow in that section of ducting, the paper has no way of getting hot enough to ignite. I doubt it would ignite anyway, but what do I know. All true enough, but I'm sure there are countless other materials that can be had for next to nothing which are more fire regulation friendly than shredded paper.
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    11. Re:Server room heating by garwain · · Score: 1

      The HVAC system for my server died about 2 years ago, and pending a major overhaul of the server room (scheduled for August, but no actual year specified) I was told to put in a small window mount unit until the reconstruction is finishd, then get a good system. Got the largest model that I could find, and it can hold the room (6x15x8) a nice toasty 80 degrees, and would overload and freeze up on average once a week during the summer, and now, on average every night with cooler temperatures external temperatures. My hack to solve the heat issues after refusal from management to allow me to move the A/C to have the hot side running into the shop area, or install a proper system, was to sacrifice physical security, set the ac to fan only, and install 2 large fans, one blowing on the equipment racks, both doors open, with the other fan moving air through the room. I don't like having the room open to anyone who walks by, but I like the 130 defree temperatures even less (expecially when I have to go into the room several times a day)

  5. Servers stacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rur datacenter has plenty of servers that are not on rails, which is bad enough in itself but what amazed me is seeing 4 or 5 2U servers resting upon the following.... 2 old SCSI drives, a Solaris User Guide book and some other manuals that were laying around. No one knows how this setup came about since it was before all our time at the company.

    I've managed to use some industrial strength velcro as an additional set of hands.

    1. Re:Servers stacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My co's Exchange server is resting on a test bench (2u) along with 2 file servers and an antivirus server. This has been like this for about 3 years from what we understand. We're trying to move a full rack cage from the basement into a separate room to fill it up... After all of that, the secondary tech refuses to touch physical equipment, he'd rather sit and work on Active Directory all day. So, when something weird happens or we need a CD for something, he replies "Call XXX" - every time. It just so happens that XXX is a contractor that left 6 months ago - go figure.

    2. Re:Servers stacked by ccandreva · · Score: 1

      Rur datacenter has plenty of servers that are not on rails... You have access to the RUR datacenter ? The fate of mankind may be in your hands ! You must stop the robots, before it is too late !

  6. Nothing THAT bad... by thepropain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Two worst I've seen: 1) While I've chopped patch patch cables in half and turned 'em into crossovers, this one place I toured got a good deal on pre-made crossovers and chopped & spliced them into patch cables for over 50 PCs; 2) Where I work now, a former employee jacked a cable modem straight into a Win9x peer-to-peer network, despite my protests (scary part of that was that he said, and I quote, "Oh, I do this all the time and it's never been a problem before." I spent the next week reinstalling Win98 and software...)

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    1. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful
      While I've chopped patch patch cables in half and turned 'em into crossovers, this one place I toured got a good deal on pre-made crossovers and chopped & spliced them into patch cables for over 50 PCs;

      Why not just hack off the ends and crimp new ends onto one end? Once you've done a few, this should take less time than splicing wires together and insulating the connections? And ends are literally a dollar a dozen if you get them in bulk.

      -b.

    2. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I started working at a local high school administering their network I found an amalgamation of two networks. One running primarily thinnet (10Base2) through the classrooms uplinked to 10BaseT hubs (three 16 port stackables) which were each connected to a 10BaseT switch ("the core"). The server ran Novell, the PCs ran a combination of DOS and Windows 3.11 which ... worked.

      Now the new network installed right beside it consisted of a mighty IBM NetFinity 5500 server with a RAID 5 array of about 50GB and a plethora of IBM switching equipment. The core switch wasn't high-tech or anything, but atleast it had 100MBit fibre running to the IDFs which ran switched 10BaseTX to the workstations. Now, this was all fine and dandy and wired real pretty-like by people who had no comprehension that the labs running PII-400s would most likely place more demand on the network than the labs running 486DX4s, so we had to re-wire the thing to balance the loads somewhat. :)

      Shortly thereafter we installed a Linux server to handle DNS and HTTP cacheing for the 128KBit ISDN connection to the Internet (real practical for a network of some 400+ workstations eh?), revamped the configs on the workstations, re-configured the network from the core on outward, re-wrote the network wiring diagrams manually (they were, apparently, somewhat classified "need to know" information and we as system administrators did not "need to know") and generally made the place hospitable.

      The network where I'm currently working (along with the phone system) was apparently installed by a monkey. All 19" rack-mountable equipment with its rack mount hardware installed in such a way as to be able to bolt them flat alongside three inner walls of a closet. There's a nice Panduit patch panel there - with about 4' of patch cables tempting their connections by gravity; they just sortof hang there in a loop before connecting to the Cisco switch installed above it. Not so much as a zip tie in sight!

      There's a 3Com 16-port switch in there that was powered and creating plenty of heat and noise; but the strange thing is it's not connected to anything but the AC outlet. (Yes, it's now unplugged, but still hanging there all useless-like). I also find myself at a loss to explain why, with a single ADSL connection to the building, we require three (yes, three (3!)) DSL modems. Or why, when there were 2 spare electrical outlets even before I unplugged the 3COm someone felt the need to connect one of the devices to an extension cord running out the closet and 5' along the wall.

      The network drops consist of a motley combination of mis-labelled jacks and broken wall mounts compensated for by the random installation of cheap hubs and duct-taped CAT5 cables running helter skelter around the place.

      The network is so shaky it's not possible to install a centralized high capacity network printer as of now because, well, too many print jobs and something could catch fire in that closet. I can't WAIT to write up a cost benefeit analysis for my boss to justify the disposal of the dozen or so laser printers installed on various desktops around the place. :)

      Oh, and these aren't mine, but they make me feel better about my own situation whenever I look at them.

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    3. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1
      ...re-wrote the network wiring diagrams manually (they were, apparently, somewhat classified "need to know" information and we as system administrators did not "need to know")...
      Buh? Who's the bureaucratic genius that thought up that policy? That's like saying the cook doesn't need to know the recipes...

      <shakes head in disbelief>
    4. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by WebCrapper · · Score: 1

      The contractor probably convinced the client big wigs that no one needed to see the info because that info could cause security problems on the inside. That translates into "I'm keeping the plans as job security"...

    5. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by un4given · · Score: 1

      Why not just hack off the ends and crimp new ends onto one end? Once you've done a few, this should take less time than splicing wires together and insulating the connections?

      Here's a novel idea: why not just buy the correct cables for the job?

    6. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Posted anonymously for obvious reasons...

      I am one member of a five-person security group at.... a well-known, uhm, Internet security - related company. We're a medium-sized company (around 800 employees) but significant in our market and growing fast. Pretty much anyone in IT would recognise the name, and a lot of people outside IT as well.

      We (Security Group) do not have network diagrams. Partly this is because we're not trusted with them, partly it's because we've not been able to justify access to the satisfaction of the people who have that info, but mostly it's because... we don't have them. Oh, we know where the main WAN pipes are, and roughly the ranges allocated to our 30 sites, and we know the 192.168-space the desktops and live production servers are; but... well, actually, we don't even know that -- we probably could find some old diagrams that might include sketchy details on how it was intended to be, or how it was when it was built, but there's so little control over the network that in practice, we have NFC what we have, or where it is.

      I'm looking on this job as a really comprehensive challenge to all my skills, from layer 1 to layer 8. If we can get this stuff under control, rebuild the airplane in flight well enough to walk away from the landing, I'm gonna know that nothing in my professional career need ever intimidate or phase me again. On the other hand, it often feels more like a challenge to my sanity...

    7. Re:Nothing THAT bad... by tuxicle · · Score: 1

      Because you get twice as many?

  7. Re:the U-Bend AKA trap by darkonc · · Score: 1

    I've generally known that contraption as the 'trap' -- although I recognized the descriptive name 'u-bend',
    I'm just wondering if this wasn't the same drain that they were using to run their ethernet connection, That would explain why that sink was 'never' used.

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  8. 300 wires with a conduit sawed off by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in the '80s we had a brand new computer room that had 300 shielded twisted pairs heading to 300 distant stations. The entire place was shiny, painted white, beautifully installed, all running through three large plastic conduits, one to each floor, hung professionally from the ceiling. A textbook illustration of beautiful wiring.

    The fire marshall came in and said "you can't have those low-voltage wires run through that conduit, that conduit is designed for high voltage wiring." So the electricians came in and sawed off their beautiful conduits, leaving the wires draped between the four-foot-spaced supports. They tie-wrapped the bundles every foot or two, but it still looked like a dead python hanging between branches.

    To this day I still can't fathom what the hell that inspector was thinking.

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    1. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

      That's okay ... at least in the fire marshall's case, he isn't expected to actually know anything about networking.

      I worked in a large university datacenter, and we were waiting for a box to come in ... the techs who ran the cables were kind enough to pull me a service loop, and punch down a 1U panel for me, so that as soon as the rack finally showed up, I could just bolt it down, and run with it. The rack finally shows up ... I take off the little plate in the back, run the network inside so it's nice and neat, bolt everything down, and we're up and running ...

      But the director is unhappy that we didn't use the hole with a grommet in it that Sun so kindly leaves for you ... of course, you can't thread the patch panel through it, so he made the techs cut all of the pairs, fish the cable through the damned hole, and re-punch everything so it looked pretty.

      Of course, all of us knew that the rack was scheduled to move two rack spaces over with the consoldiation that were doing (further from where the cables were pulled from), so it was going to have to be cut in a month or two, so we could move the rack (which wouldn't have to have been done if we had just left it run the way we had originally planned).

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    2. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      The fire marshall came in and said "you can't have those low-voltage wires run through that conduit, that conduit is designed for high voltage wiring."
      That's okay ... at least in the fire marshall's case, he isn't expected to actually know anything about networking.

      Okay, but can't he expected to know a tiny bit about voltage? Or even English vocabulary? Namely, that low voltage is less than high voltage?

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    3. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by ars · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have it backwards.

      The problem is not the low voltage cable - it's that since it's meant for high voltage cable someone could install some later not realizing that there is some low voltage stuff there.

      Yes, there really is a code about that - not mixing high and low voltage in the same conduit.

      You can, I guess, claim that the conduit is "low voltage". But if it looks like it's for high voltage you might not get away with that.

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    4. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by AJWM · · Score: 4, Funny

      The fire marshall was (giving the benefit of the doubt) probably thinking that if there was a high voltage conduit, sooner or later somebody would run a high voltage cable through it. Can't have high and low voltage wiring in the same conduit.

      (Of course the reasons for all this are probably lost in the mists of time going back to fabric-insulated wires hung on insulators nailed to the studs. You'd think with modern wiring with obvious differences between 12 ga high voltage cable and cat-5e wires it wouldn't matter ... but then I've seen some pretty bizarre wiring setups that were "just temporary" or quick hacks, I can just see somebody provide a whole new meaning to "power over ethernet".)

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    5. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by afidel · · Score: 1

      That's weird because UL rating and the national electric code always allow a higher class device or fixture the be substituted for a lower class one (with the obvious exception of breakers and such, I'm talking about things like plenum rated stuff can be used in normal wiring situations)

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    6. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by StrongAxe · · Score: 1

      That's weird because UL rating and the national electric code always allow a higher class device or fixture the be substituted for a lower class one

      The problem isn't with running a low-voltage wire through a high-voltage conduit - the problem is that someone could later run a high-voltage wire through the same conduit. What happens if the lines somehow cross? Can you imagine what would happen if a hot 220V line came into direct contact with an ethernet cable? It would probably fry the router, and every piece of equipment connected to the router.

      About 25 years ago, in our lab we had a monitor with an odd connector - it had the usual digital signals at ground and +5 volt levels - as well as a +70 volt power pin for some unfathonable reason. One day my boss plugged the cable in slightly off, and this fried the graphics card - he had to manually de-solder and replace around 70 chips as a result. Putting high voltage and low voltage signals in close proximity is an accident waiting to happen.

    7. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Dibblah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, there is a good reason behind this.

      A transformer is basically two lengths of wire running alongside each other for a long distance. If you run a low voltage circuit next to mains cable, you can potentially (in the case of a loop) create dangerous inductive heating in the low voltage cable - Not to mention the problems of the induced voltage in whatever equipment is connected to it.

    8. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by moz25 · · Score: 1

      One day my boss plugged the cable in slightly off, and this fried the graphics card - he had to manually de-solder and replace around 70 chips as a result.

      I had to read this several times before I realized that it does start to make sense if placed in a timeframe of 25 years ago. Doing this kind of manual work on today's graphics cards wouldn't just be pointless economically, but close to impossible (very tiny pads, etc).

    9. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Skapare · · Score: 1

      So what makes it high voltage conduit? Does it have "high voltage" stamped on it? Is there a particular color code for high voltage? Why didn't they just get low voltage conduit in the first place?

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    10. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by andrewzx1 · · Score: 1

      you can't induce current or voltage in a twisted pair. That's why it's twisted, to eliminate induction.

    11. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, you can't induce voltage *between* the pairs. You sure as hell can induce a voltage over the pair. Think of the pair as a parallel circuit in a transformer. You can induce a current from one end of the pair to the other.

    12. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by z4pp4 · · Score: 1
      If you run a low voltage circuit next to mains cable, you can potentially (in the case of a loop) create dangerous inductive heating in the low voltage cable - Not to mention the problems of the induced voltage in whatever equipment is connected to it.

      Technical nitpick, but aren't most cables twisted in some for in order to limit this effect anyways? For DC power cabling, this is not a problem, and for signalling cable the filters usually cut of the 60Hz, so AFAIK it is not an issue?
    13. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Technical nitpick, but aren't most cables twisted in some for in order to limit this effect anyways?

      Yes and no. Yes, the computer never sees the induction, since it is cancelled out as both wires rise in voltage equally. However, as both are rising in voltage, this could present a shock hazard. For an example, let's take a twisted pair system that expects a 15 volt difference between wires. Now we induce a 120 VAC current into the pair. That means that the actual voltage is as high as 135 V at peak. However, as the design of the transceiver "deletes" the 120 VAC, it never affects the computer (hopefully). However, someone referenced to ground will receive a potentially lethal shock if they were to touch the exposed wiring.

    14. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by tsstahl · · Score: 2, Funny

      It is not a universal thing! In Chicago, absolutely everything must go through pipe. Even pipe sometimes goes in pipe.

    15. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by logpoacher · · Score: 1

      You can't (easily) induce a differential voltage across the two. But there's nothing to stop a massive induced common-mode voltage. The two wires could be leaping around together at a thousand volts AC, causing all sorts of problems at both ends.

    16. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think something was missed in the explanation of why the conduits had to be removed. The electrical codes do not allow mixing circuits in different use classes, like low voltage communications and power cables. However there is no such thing as a conduit that is acceptable for power that is not acceptable for low voltage. Conduits are more to protect the circuits from external hazards than protect the external environment from the conductors. The wires have to be constructed to protect the external environment from the internal voltage not the conduit.

      It is more likely that they put plastic conduit in an air plenum. That would definitely be the case if you could see the conduit from your workspace! The real danger the inspector was saving you from very well might be the poisonous gas the plastic would spew into the living space in the event of a fire.

    17. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by igb · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Low voltage is more dangerous than high voltage, for a given power consumption. If the concern is heating in the duct, as it often is, 10KW@48V is a completely different animal to 10KW@415V three-phase. I'm always amazed at how flimsy cables are in 110VAV territories, compared to standard practice in 240VAC areas, and I can only think that back in the day, someone convinced themselves (wrongly) that you need cross-sectional area in the conductor for the volts, not the amps. Which in turn is why Americans complain about how weedy electric cookers are, and don't generally boil water with electric kettles: I can have 7.5KW into an electric cooker (30A, 240V) or 3KW into a kettle (13A, 240V), while Americans can't get 70A into a cooker.

      Heating effect in a given cable rises by the inverse square of the voltage for constant power, which is why power transmission is done at 25KV or more. I don't think there's much OLE on railways in the USA, but it would be interesting to see what voltages they selected for that.

      ian

    18. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by plover · · Score: 1
      Thanks, that's probably the most accurate bizarro world answer I could hope for. And even though these conduits were stuffed full (there was no room left for extra wires at all, let alone adding some fat mains wires) I suppose an enterprising yet stupid electrician might think he could have yanked out a dozen of the low-voltage wires and stuffed in his 220VAC.

      The other thing I considered was the electrician didn't offer the inspector enough of a bribe. "What, I'm supposed to inspect this whole building, and I'm dyin' of thirst, and you bring me a lousy Coke? Where's the case of beer for me and my buds? Aren't you buying a round after work? Not even a thank-you bottle of scotch? C'mon, guys, let's go see if there aren't some really serious violations around here!"

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    19. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by raluxs · · Score: 1

      back in my student days I worked for a company in the printer room, there where 6 large impact line printers working most of the day feed from two unisys mainframes in the next room. The printers had huge fans and generated a lot of heat, it was like a boiler room.
      So finally they decided to install another large AC unit, bot not wanting to break the floor or wall to get the 220v line from the switchboard in the mainframe room they used the conduit where the serial data lines went to the printers.
      Every time the AC started it caused the printers to feed a few pages or print random trash. The boss was always nagging us about how we (printer operators) were so carelees to feed pages in between reports and such. As I was the only one with some electrics/electronic knowledge I keep telling them that the AC was inducing current along the data lines.
      Until one day the boss was in the room and the Ac started, causing all the pritners to start feeding pages, they believed me!. The solution: wrap the data lines in foil tape, didn't work that well but by then I was promoted to mainframe operator, much later on I heard they finally routed the 220v line for another conduit.

    20. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Howserx · · Score: 1

      Pipes? Here in Winnipeg, we use tubes.

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    21. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by bdonalds · · Score: 1
      Yes, there really is a code about that - not mixing high and low voltage in the same conduit.

      And for a damn good reason. The high voltage runs can induce a current in the low voltage runs. Even dismissing the safety issue, this isn't a good thing for your data communications.
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    22. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by badspyro · · Score: 1

      It would be impossibe, as those boards are upto 10 layers thick, and soldered by laser

    23. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is not the low voltage cable - it's that since it's meant for high voltage cable someone could install some later not realizing that there is some low voltage stuff there.
      [...] But if it looks like it's for high voltage you might not get away with that.


      I had a problem with this a few years back. There had been a wall-unit AC installed in my living room, on a dedicated 220V circuit where the wiring from the house service panel was in a hard conduit. Later the AC unit was removed and converted to a regular 120V wall outlet. Still later I moved in and plugged my home theater setup into that 120V wall outlet. Even later than that, I had the kitchen remodeled and the house breaker panel upgraded. The electrician didn't make note of the fact that the hard conduit line was on a 120V circuit, and when he hooked up the new panel, he connected the hard line to 220V since that's what those are supposed to be for. Zap.

      Did you know a home-stereo-type surge suppressor unit doesn't help in that situation?

      On the positive side, he got to buy me a new TV and DVD player, and I finally got to upgrade my stereo to a surround system.
    24. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1

      Pipes? Here in Winnipeg, we use tubes.

      So your internets are a series of tubes too?

      *rimshot*

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    25. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Schaffner · · Score: 1

      Yes, there isn't that much electrified railroad trackage here in the US. Some of it is 11 kv 25 Hz, some is 25 kv 60 Hz. Most of the rest is on transit system that use 600 vdc or on the newer ones they use 750 vdc.

    26. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by wkk2 · · Score: 1

      The inspector may have been looking at the percent fill. You are not allowed to stuff a conduit full of wire. I believe that for multi conductor cables, you need to determine the total cross section area of each cable. For more than 2, I believe the limit is 40% fill. (Check NEC Article 342).

      The total number of cables will depend on the conduit type (EMT, PVC, ...) and trade size. There is also a jam ratio to worry about. A third cable can slip between two others at a bend and jam. In general just ask the AHJ. The inspectors can be very helpful. There may be lots of local rules.

      There are also rules for filling cable trays.

    27. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Just curious -- couldn't the conduit have been labeled "Max voltage NN" or "low voltage only" or something like that, instead of doing away with it entirely??

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    28. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by renehollan · · Score: 1
      Heh.

      When I worked for a large video card manufacturer in Markham, Ontario, we just moved into a new building.

      Well, plenum-rated Cat5e cable costs about three times what non-plenum rated cable costs, so instead of running plenum-rated cable in the false ceiling (technically a plenum), they ran the hideous metal cable raceways under a relatively nice false ceiling, so they could snake non-plenum cable in them.

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    29. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by feepness · · Score: 1

      Which in turn is why Americans complain about how weedy electric cookers are, and don't generally boil water with electric kettles:

      The other reason being we don't generally drink tea.

      If you are talking about electric coffee makers, however, they are ubiquitous.

    30. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      220 volts is actually two phases of 110 volts. You can get 110 volts by taking one leg of 220 to neutral, or ground. If you were to touch one leg of 220 volts with bare feet, you'd only feel 110 volts.

    31. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      The other reason being we don't generally drink tea.

      Speak for yourself, ya damn yank! 'Round these parts (the South, that is), we drink tea all the time. And it ain't that hot British junk, either -- sweet iced is the way ta go!

      --

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    32. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by StrongAxe · · Score: 1

      I had to read this several times before I realized that it does start to make sense if placed in a timeframe of 25 years ago. Doing this kind of manual work on today's graphics cards wouldn't just be pointless economically, but close to impossible (very tiny pads, etc).

      Given the cost of hardware, and that of labour, it's usually cheaper to replace than repair, especially things like this.

      Back in the 70s (when it was still funny), National Lampoon had a magazine parody "Popular Workbench" that parodied Popular Mechanics, Popular Electronics, etc. In it was one want ad saying "Earn big $$ in transistor repair!". Repairing surface-mount electronics today is about a ludicrous today as repairing transistors was back then. :)

    33. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      But the director is unhappy that we didn't use the hole with a grommet in it that Sun so kindly leaves for you ... of course, you can't thread the patch panel through it, so he made the techs cut all of the pairs, fish the cable through the damned hole, and re-punch everything so it looked pretty.

      So tell the director no - surely he's got better things to do.

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    34. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Well, plenum-rated Cat5e cable costs about three times what non-plenum rated cable costs, so instead of running plenum-rated cable in the false ceiling (technically a plenum), they ran the hideous metal cable raceways under a relatively nice false ceiling, so they could snake non-plenum cable in them."

      I'm too lazy to try to figure out under which pile of stuff my NEC book is buried, but it seems that the area inside the metal raceways (i.e., the area where the wires would be run) should qualify as not actually in the "technically a plenum" area above the suspended ceiling. Once the fire gets hot enough breech the metal and let out any smoke the wires' insulation is giving off, that smoke isn't going to be the main part of the problem.

      After all, the area under the suspended ceiling (i.e., the part of the room where the people are) is also an air handling area in the "people might wind up breathing it" sense, so if the raceways are allowed there...

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    35. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by renehollan · · Score: 1
      1. The raceway was open, not closed, like a conduit. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

      2. Ontario has some wierd codes. For example, it is not necessary to ground a satelite dish for lightning protection like almost anywhere else in North America, and IIRC, actually contrary to the electrical code to do so. Perhaps because a badly grounded antenna is worse than none at all, but that's why there are licensed electricians in the world.

      3. This building was wierd in other respects: not only was it necessary to use a card key to enter the building outside of normal business hours, or always, via non-main entrances, it was also necessary to use a card key to exit the building! Even at the main entrance (where the receptionist would "buzz" you out)! While there was supposed to be a failsafe to unlock all the doors for egress in the event of an emergency (fire, power failure, etc.), I was still amazed that this didn't seriously violate some building codes. Most of my coworkers did not find this odd, but I was shocked and somewhat uneasy because of it. I'd joke that I'd have no qualms throwing a chair through a main floor window to egress in the event of a fire if the exits were locked, and was reprimanded for thinking about "vandalizing the premises". Others told me, "Well duh! We'd all do it, but none of us is so stupid as to admit to it and get in trouble." Riiiight.

      Thankfully, I haven't worked there in over two years and have my green card to work and live in the U.S.

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    36. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off by akamoe · · Score: 1

      The fire marshall came in and said "you can't have those low-voltage wires run through that conduit, that conduit is designed for high voltage wiring."

      I think the either the fire marshall was on crack, or.. well.. he was on crack.

      I'm an electrician, and alot of the specifications I follow doing work for our larger financial customers involves running almost all datacomms wiring in 2"/3"/4" pipe. The only thing we have to watch out for when we do the work is to make sure that we don't overfill the pipe. I don't know the numbers to pipe-fill with cat5/6 (our data group forwards the engineers specs to us), but I know that the pipe I've put up for data cabling is the exact same pipe I've put up for high-voltage wiring.

      YMMV.

  9. Dungeon radio by Centurix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked at one place where our room was a couple of floors underground (very depressing place) and we wanted to listen to the cricket on the radio (pre internet days). Armed with a crappy radio we found we could get perfect reception by connecting to the air conditioning vents with a set of crocodile clips purchased from Tandy's.

    Another one I remember is something low-tec invented by some admin staff, we had a policy set in place that locked workstations after 5 minutes of activity, the PC's were severely locked down so you couldn't change this. Turned out the admin section of the company despised this as they would do something on their accounts package, talk to someone on the phone and by the time the phone call had ended the PC had locked itself requiring their password to unlock it. One lady actually took a small clock, took the plastic front off and attached a piece of paper to the second hand, when she wasn't doing anything, she placed the mouse in front of the clock so that when the second hand went past, it moved the mouse slightly stopping it from locking. When the guys in tech support found it, she was visited by practically every IT person just to see it in action.

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    1. Re:Dungeon radio by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Funny
      we had a policy set in place that locked workstations after 5 minutes of activity
      And the PHB's wondered why productivity was in the toilet... :)
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    2. Re:Dungeon radio by Centurix · · Score: 1

      I need something to lock my brain up after 5 minutes of activity, it's obviously on a course of its own after that... :)

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    3. Re:Dungeon radio by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 1

      The other classic "low-tech" solution for that is to get one of those "drinking birds" and have its butt hit the shift key on a regular basis...

    4. Re:Dungeon radio by lightyear4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking of radio:

      A few months back during the summer, I was enjoying the lovely AC of a rather large server room at my university. On top of a rack in the midst of the farm sat a much abused radio, likely discarded even by the janitors, splattered with paint, and employing a rather frightening extension to its antenna. Its tuner was taped into position, and its headphone jack was connected to one of the machines.

      This, of course, supplies the world with a live stream of the campus radio station.

    5. Re:Dungeon radio by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      Thanks,

      I figured if there was one place I could go to get away from thinking about the 5th test, it was slashdot.

      Your guys played very well, though.

    6. Re:Dungeon radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We used to use 2 brass U-links taped together to sit on our Return keys to OK dialogue boxes that came up on some crappy bit of software we ran. If you didn't OK, everything stopped after you'd gone home.

    7. Re:Dungeon radio by koogydelbbog · · Score: 1

      > Armed with a crappy radio we found we could get perfect reception by connecting to the air conditioning vents with a set of crocodile clips purchased from Tandy's.

      similarly, the 42" Sony Bravia in our demo room is currently using the metal window frame as an aerial, the technological equivalent of a fur coat and no knickers.

    8. Re:Dungeon radio by daveytay · · Score: 1

      LOL, this is a pre free, advertizing based, internet DUN account. I love it.

    9. Re:Dungeon radio by thewiz · · Score: 1
      One lady actually took a small clock, took the plastic front off and attached a piece of paper to the second hand, when she wasn't doing anything, she placed the mouse in front of the clock so that when the second hand went past, it moved the mouse slightly stopping it from locking.


      I had a user (let's call him "Frank") that did something similar: I was doing systems administration for a DoD contract and our office area was always notoriously hot despite being in a data center. We also had a draconianly short workstation lockout period (180 seconds!). "Frank" used a paper clip and string to attach his mouse to an oscellating fan on his desk when he had to run to the bathroom (frequently due to prostate problems), The fan would drag the mouse across the mouse pad and keep the workstation unlocked.
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    10. Re:Dungeon radio by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 1

      At least they can't lose by an innings now! Or in 3 days. That's an improvement... isn't it?

    11. Re:Dungeon radio by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      The second hand of a small clock usually cant budge a regular ball mouse. Of course if it was an optical mouse, and if it was placed upside down in front of the clock and the second hand just waved the paper past the LEDs it might work. Anyway, she was a true hacker and should be hacking code, not counting beans.

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    12. Re:Dungeon radio by clydemaxwell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Once copying a dying HDD, I had to continually hit 'retry' on the copy operation when it encountered a CRC error. Eventually I just took a heavy wristwatch and placed it on the enter key.

      HDD successfully copied!

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    13. Re:Dungeon radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "we had a policy set in place that locked workstations after 5 minutes of activity"

      Rather harsh to lock someone out after 5 min of ACTIVITY. Does the workstation unlock after 5 min of inactivity?

    14. Re:Dungeon radio by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      mod parent down as "Fake" - no one listens to Cricket!

    15. Re:Dungeon radio by RESPAWN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At one of my previous places of employment, one of the higher ups decided they wanted to play music over the overhead speakers. Instead of installing a MUZAK system or even connecting the existing MUZAK box (currently serving up the hold music) her solution was to place a radio in the janitorial closet, lift the handset on the phone, dial the extension for the overhead intercom, and set the handset on the floor next to the radio. It worked, but every time somebody went in to the closet to retrieve some supplies, you could hear everything they said and did in the room.

      Along a similar vein, in my last apartment, I decided that I wanted to be able to listen to music in the bathroom while I took a shower. Specifically, I want to listen to the MP3s stored on my computer. Digging through my junk boxes, I found an old battery operated FM transmitter from ~1999 and an old FM Walkman from ~1985. I also had several sets of extra computer speakers that I'd just managed to acquire over the years. The last component in this project was my old Marantz stereo receiver that I haven't used in a while because the volume potentiometer needs to be replaced -- it will only output sound when the volume is cranked to less than sensible levels and then it would only work for about 30 minutes, after which I think it got too hot to operate any further. 30 minutes should be fine for music in the shower, though.

      Anyway, I had to run a stereo mini-jack to RCA cable from the rear speaker output on my PC to a pair of RCA female to female adapters to about 20 more feet of RCA cable which then plugged in to the input of my Marantz receiver. From there, I used a 1/4" to 1/8" headphone adapter to output the sound to a 1/8" to 1/8" male to male stereo cable feeding the FM transmitter. I did consider plugging the transmitter directly in to the computer, but the thought was that I would have a better chance of receiving the signal if I used the Marantz as an amp to boost the gain in to the transmitter. In the bathroom I then hooked the Walkman up to a set of 2.1 computer speakers, using a nail in the wall to mount the walkman as high up the wall as the cable would allow, since the cable also acted as the antenna. In theory, it worked, but in practice the signal from the transmitter was just too weak to reach the Walkman. The transmitter ran off AA batteries, so I decided to see what would happen if I connected a 9V battery to the leads. (Thinking that maybe if I upped the voltage, I could get more transmitting power.) The result was the release of the magic smoke and the end of my silly project.

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    16. Re:Dungeon radio by blippo · · Score: 1

      Well, I did that, but with a eraser and book - over night.

      The key board buffer overflow beeps (that seems to lock up the whole computer during the beep)
      annoyed my collegues no end, until someone killed the machine :-(

    17. Re:Dungeon radio by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      Is it really that unreasonable to lock your workstation when you leave? The people who answer a phone call and have to keep hitting their computer to keep it from autolocking have a legitimate gripe, but when you leave, is it really that bad to lock your workstation? I lock mine every time I leave and unlock it every time I come back and find it's not that big of a deal. Does it really take more than 3-5 seconds to lock or unlock the machine?

      Do most people have such limited access that there really is no reason to follow simple security measures? I may be biased since I'm likely to have open root shells at any point in time. With the power to do anything with machines comes the responsibility to not let any passerby do the same.

    18. Re:Dungeon radio by stargazerAD · · Score: 1

      heh, this is sure to get firebombed for being off-topic, but i couldn't help but notice "with a set of crocodile clips purchased from Tandy's". i've always known them as alligator clips. more crocs than gators in your swamps?

    19. Re:Dungeon radio by Centurix · · Score: 1

      No 'gators in Australia. I think the fourth tooth in our clips sticks out further too.

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    20. Re:Dungeon radio by shoolz · · Score: 1

      You can pin down a key using the cap of a ball point pen. Press down the key, then wedge the clip part between the keys.

      Used to use this trick to pick 'impossible' locks in Ultima 4. Set it up, go have a snack, and come back to an opened door.

    21. Re:Dungeon radio by boyko.at.netqos · · Score: 1

      I gotta try this with my apartment complex and my rabbit-ear TV reception... think it would work?

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    22. Re:Dungeon radio by zaphod110676 · · Score: 1

      At Western Michigan University we still to this day stream our campus radio station using a walkman hooked up to a PC. Every so often the stream gets hosed up because somebody bumps the walkman. Please don't bump the walkman.

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    23. Re:Dungeon radio by necro2607 · · Score: 1

      hahaha oh man, that is awesome... I just had a bunch of coworkers look at me wondering why I'm laughing so hard... hehehe :)

    24. Re:Dungeon radio by OriginalArlen · · Score: 1
      My dear chap, as I write this I am waiting for Test Match Special to start on the BBC (the wireless, not on television.) It's a special night tonight -- England are about to lose an historic fifth Ashes test, making the first series whitewash since 1921. As a true Englishman, I am of course very proud of this heroic failure, coming only 18 months after the England team took them back from the Australians, widely held to be the best team in the world at the moment.

      If you don't know what the Ashes are, or a Test match,.. no, the idea is too absurd to consider.

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    25. Re:Dungeon radio by Fizzog · · Score: 1

      I live in the US and I can't even get internet radio coverage of the tests!

      All of the stations (ABC, BBC, etc.) test for your location and if you are in the US they won't stream to you.

      Anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this?

      Please help! I'm suffering from cricket withdrawal!

    26. Re:Dungeon radio by unitron · · Score: 1
      Alligator clips and crocodile clips are similar but not identical.

      On one the upper and lower jaws are the same width and the teeth meet, on the other the lower jaw is wider and the top jaw nests inside it.

      Speaking of gators and crocs, the knit shirts commonly known as "alligator shirts" are actually crocodile shirts as the LaCoste brand is named after French tennis player Rene LeCoste whose nickname was "The Crocodile".

      I'm assuming that Tandy's is britspeak for "Radio Shack".

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    27. Re:Dungeon radio by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Well, I know what a two point conversion and safety blitz are - do you? :-)

    28. Re:Dungeon radio by schweinhund · · Score: 1

      When I worked for a large aerospace contractor here in the U.S., our workstations also locked after 5min and this was required by federal law due to the potentially classified nature of the work.

      This never bothered me much as I was usually pretty busy. I believe it's these same set of regulations (can't remember the TLA ATM) which requires a key combination of some kind to be used to bring up the login prompt - on Windows, Ctrl-Alt-Del of course. If we had someone around with a rig like you describe to stop the 5min lock they would have been in some deep trouble! :]

  10. Coat Hangers by tymbow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've seen untwisted coat hangers covered in electrical tape and twisted together used to supply AC between two buildings in tropical weather in PNG. The wiring to the main building was bad enough but using coat hangers to supply power to the small hut that housed the computer equipment was priceless. I should also point out that they did not have power outlets for the computers either. They just cut the plugs off, stripped the wires, twisted them together and covered it in electrical tape.

    1. Re:Coat Hangers by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The wiring to the main building was bad enough but using coat hangers to supply power to the small hut that housed the computer equipment was priceless.

      Far East, right? For some reason, they have the same cultural aversion to proper wiring as Middle Easterners have to proper plumbing. [shaking head in belief but oh-my-God-what-can-you-do. At Home Depot, they refuse to sell stuff which the "associate" thinks will be used improperly where customer safety might be compromised. "No sir, 18-gauge lamp cord is not suitable to feed your dryer... Yes, it will generate heat, but I can guarantee it won't be in your dryer... 8/3 by code in Ontario.... Yes, I know it's more expensive, copper is a precious metal.... No, I will not cut you 18/2.... Sir, the building codes in Taiwan are highly suspect already, we've all seen in the news how many "modern" buildings collapsed last time you had a 6.1 quake; this is what ONTARIO requires.... well sir, you're more than welcome to take it up with the store manager, here's my phone, I'll dial 831 for you right now.... Oh, he met with you, laughed at you, and told you we wouldn't sell it to you? Yes, sir, that's why I like working at Home Depot, I know I tried to protect the little children in that house from burning up because you're an uncircumcised philistine. Have an adequate day."]

      Moderators: If you don't believe me, Home Depot is hiring. After a week there, you WILL believe. Two years of home-built bidets using kitchen sink side-sprayers (note 1: kitchen sink side sprayers are controlled by the faucet, and it's assumed you're always there when they're on. note 2: kitchen sink side sprayers are rated only for the 5-10 PSI or so they see from aerator/diverter back pressure, not the full 50-75PSI of municipal water pressure) attached to municipal water pressure ("Why it burst? You sold me defective sprayer! What you mean I connect direct to city water? I cannot eh-do that, is connect straight to toilet. I come back from tree week in Yemen and find flood and notice taped to door. Now out $142,000 in flood damage to condo units beneath me! Insurance said I not use right part, they not pay! You pay! You pay!"). Two years of stoves burning through lamp cords ("why do I have to change my stove cord every time my wife uses more than one burner at once?"). Two years of actually having to work to convince people who *tell me they're plumbers* (ie. a guy who scraped together enough beer money to buy a pickup truck and a hammer and who now thinks he's a plumber - a trade which requires at least 5 years of schooling, people! Only 3 more to become a doctor!) that they can't use vinyl tubing to connect natural gas on a water heater for a little old lady who is dumb enough to let him into her house!

      Find "Holmes on Homes". Shareaza, Torrents, etc. Download and watch a few episodes.

      Jesus fucking wept.

      Coathangers? I haven't seen them, but I'm a fervent believer.

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    2. Re:Coat Hangers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen raw barbed wire (probably ripped out of somebody's fence) used as power lines to power entire neighborhoods (or maybe I should say slums) in Nicaragua. To top it off, they hold them apart by taping each wire to then end of a stick (about 18" long). They are strung up between trees or worse (homemade poles made from tree limbs or whatever) and they are anywhere between 3 and 7 feet off the ground. I almost had my head taken off by one of these lines that stretched across the road as I rode standing on the bumper of an old LandCruiser!
      All this is rigged up by the people and they actually go and tie this into the main power lines themselves! And of course, they also do all the wiring in their houses themselves as well.

    3. Re:Coat Hangers by ab762 · · Score: 1
      My house came with a very pretty finished basement. The 70 amp subpanel that had been added for the basement was correctly connected through a piece of conduit. Looked great ... until we needed to open it up. Turned out to be 12-gauge wire inside the conduit! Scary.

      It turned out that the rest of the basement was pretty evil, too. Salvaged moldy timber, no vapour barrier - had to rip it all out at significant expense.

    4. Re:Coat Hangers by RESPAWN · · Score: 1

      You actually remind me about when I first moved in to my current house. It's a cinder block exterior house originally built as a milk barn probably in the '40's or '50's. I'm not sure when it was first converted to be used as a house, but I know that my grandfather "renovated" it back in the late 70's. About half of the outlets in the house are still 2-prong outlets... including the outlet in the laundry room that the washer needed to plug in to. My Grandfather's solution: grab one of the homemade extension cords from the barn: 2-prong connector on one end, what is probably 30 year old 14/2 wire (estimate), connected to a standard wall outlet box with a 3-prong outlet installed in it. It just didn't seem that safe to me...

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    5. Re:Coat Hangers by Intron · · Score: 1

      I remember doing some electrical work at an amusement park while I was in high school, and realizing that I was doing a better job than whoever had worked on it before me. At least when I was done the metal box was connected to ground instead of hot.

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    6. Re:Coat Hangers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing is that I made a home-built bidet out of a kitchen sprayer back in 1999. Basically I tap into the toilet supply line with it so it's got the full-on city pressure. I have been taking it with me wherever I've moved so it is safe to say that it has been in continuous use for 7 years and... not a problem.

      Of course simply the act of writing this post probably means I will return home to a flooded bathroom, kitchen (under the bathroom) and indoor swimming pool (formerly my basement)...

    7. Re:Coat Hangers by Nitack · · Score: 1

      I bought my first house two years ago and found some of the most interesting home "improvements" immaginable. They finished the basement probably twenty years after the house was constructed (1952). Rather than actually mapping the circuits they grabbed what ever electrical was convenient to the location they were wiring. Consiquently the basement is on four separate circuits, but it gets better. The house is three levels. The three circuits they chose were on three separate levels on the house. So you could blow the bathroom circuit in the basement and the top floor would lose power. Harry homeowner... Even better than that... One day I was looking in one of the toilets and saw something I did not recognize at the bottom of the tank. Trying to figure out what it was, especially knowing that twenty or so years before I bought the house it had a drug history, I reached in to examine what interesting secret the toilet hid. I felt something semi soft and grabbed it... As I watched the toilet tank empty out on my floor I realized exactly what it was. They had used [b]calk[/b]not just to close the holes that were supposed to be for bolts and rubber grommets. Not only did they use the calk to seal it, they had not used any bolts at all... The toilet tank was attatched with calking... Home Depot's modo, "You can do it, we can help" needs to be amended with the line "providing you pass an IQ test".

    8. Re:Coat Hangers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in Turkey on holiday in 1995. There was a grocery store on the ground floor of our hotel. In the middle of the floor there was an extension cord strip that powered the fridges etc. It was missing its top, so the bus bars were exposed. Yikes. Step on that barefooted and get a nice 220V 50Hz foot massage...

    9. Re:Coat Hangers by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Excellent rant, sir. I'm saving a copy locally.

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    10. Re:Coat Hangers by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've seen untwisted coat hangers covered in electrical tape and twisted together used to supply AC between two buildings in tropical weather in PNG.

      That's at least better than using coat hangers as power lines in JPEG. No compression artifacts.

    11. Re:Coat Hangers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does genital mutilation have to do with anything?

    12. Re:Coat Hangers by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      In Ecuador I've used light-switches which consists of the bare ends of two pieces of wire, bent so that you can hook them round each other. I can understand why, though: you can buy switches in the local hardware shop, but they don't have the current rating necessary so they only last a few weeks. No-one there seems to understand current rating at all: I regularly came across 30A-rated isolator switches connected to 60A electric showers.

    13. Re:Coat Hangers by wallymcdoogle · · Score: 1

      In the mid 80's I was installing a rather large semiconductor burn-in/test system in an important customer site in Virginia. Management and engineering were all proudly standing there to watch me bring up the machine. The unit required 480VAc, Nitrogen feed, Water feed and drain. Facilities had to remove walls to get the system into the lab. I show up to bring up the machine on my first FE service call. I go through all the check lists, and flip the main switch to start bringing up the machine. Poof! The whole NEMA box fried. After the alarms were all shut off and the smoke cleared, and our heart rates were normal, I examined the NEMA box. Turns out the assemblers had installed the wrong sized terminal blocks for the large AC wiring. So the wiring guys, instead of rejecting the machinists work, just carved down the wiring to fit terminal blocks. Best I could figure is the terminal block couldn't crimp down tight enough on the shaved down wire, and in shipping, one of them slipped out. I ended up going to a local welding shop to buy 1/0 cables. Got the replacement correct contacters, terminal blocks etc P1'd out, and had to rebuild the whole NEMA box. High pressure for a 20 year old's first trip, but being young, I didn't care cause it wasn't my fault.

  11. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by darkonc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    At UBC we had a tiny (10'x10' computer room with a number of (un)pleasantly heat-generating computers (a couple of SUNs and a stack of SGI's). We managed to get the extra wiring put in place to handle the machines (a number of which required a 20AMP plug), but we never managed to get extra AC installed. This didn't bother us until summer came. ... and the build-up of heat would occasionaly trip the thermal breakers in some of the machines.

    After begging facilities since the previous year to upgrade the AC (and having one last big machine installed), we 'solved' the problem by buying a small, window-type AC, and poking it out the door. With this setup, we could generally get the room to stablize at around 30C (about 86F).

    This worked until facilities showed up and complained that we needed to go through them to get any sort of AC installed, and demanding that we stop using the offending unit. (but required us to continue with the un-responsive process of getting the room AC upgraded).

    Peter resolved the impass by calling the health and safety group, and keeping the door closed until they arrived the next morning to inspect a worksite with a temperature of over 100F.
    The AC was upgraded in well under a week.

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  12. Router at the end of a pier by jgaynor · · Score: 3, Funny

    My previous job was in Network Operations at a University. Our Marine Science department had a large grant-funded sensor network running in a river somewhere in South Jersey that needed to talk to their machines on campus. They did this by getting a 56k leased line dropped out to the end of a long pier, to which they connected a cisco 2500 series router (state of the art at the time). It was housed in a box with just enough ventilation to keep it soaked in condensation, but not enough to allow for adequate cooling. Because of the heat it was on a permanent shutdown/reboot loop for most of spring, summer and early fall. They were lucky if they got more than a few hours of readings per day.

    1. Re:Router at the end of a pier by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wonder if that was before Cisco offered extended range products. These days you can get gear from Cisco that will survive in the Sahara in a NEMA3(sealed) outdoor enclosure.

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    2. Re:Router at the end of a pier by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure, it might survive the Sahara or the Himalayas, but this is southern New Jersey we're talking about!

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    3. Re:Router at the end of a pier by rabbit994 · · Score: 1

      Extra 500 will get you Kevlar shielded router that will even last in New Jersey.

    4. Re:Router at the end of a pier by nikolag · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of having placed my Orinoco RG-1000 in plastic box at the roof top. When everthing was in place, I realised that I left my UTP with RJ45 on it outside of the box.

      Now, it would be really simple if I had have at least on RJ45 at hand, but nearest was 100m down (33feet) at local store about 2km (1.5mile) away.

      So I just opened the case, pulled UTP through crack and left it that way. It still worked flawlesly, three years later. Then I replaced it with WRAP unit.

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    5. Re:Router at the end of a pier by ajlitt · · Score: 1

      Yes, but does the kevlar make it urine-resistant?

  13. OOOoooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Probably can't guess why this is anon...

    Worst running system: Exchange 4, 5, and 5.5 running in a single Exchange site for a former company. Needless to say, there were some issues with their email.

    Most bizarre development: insistance that a newly designed and developed java system use CORBA to connect to ... a Java system. Last time I checked, Java was supposedly this network programming language and has these really poor supporting libraries for distributed computing....

    Most? bizarre configurations:
    Use of a second CORBA stack in an appserver that comes with one.
    Using Access for a multi-user critical application
    Using Excel as the budgeting and financial tracking tool for a multi-billion corportation
    Using a third party POS layer built on a RDBMS as a RDBMS.
    On an essentially synchronous SOA implementation, the request/response pattern included the request within the response. One of many inefficiencies in this design.

    1. Re:OOOoooo by Fred_A · · Score: 1
      Using Access for a multi-user critical application
      Unfortunately, this isn't bizarre, this is quite common (*sigh*), and don't get me started on Excel "databases" and "applications"...

      At least with the easy availability of decent database engines thanks to FOSS, things are getting better in that area.
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    2. Re:OOOoooo by ggeens · · Score: 1

      Worst Access "database" I've ever seen: the person who created it believed that changing a table structure would delete the data inside. So she made copies of each table. The schema looked like a mess, containing tables like USER_1, USER_2 and so on. I took one lok at it and decided I didn't want to have anything to do with it.

      On the bright side, Access seems to be on the way out.

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    3. Re:OOOoooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Access DB for a critical use is bizarre - when that use is something like airline scheduling.... I probably should have mentioned that it was "highly critical". I'm not talking "critical" like your books may be subject to concurrent changes without transactions, I'm talking your business can't run because the data is the business. (Without scheduling, it's very hard for airlines to plan crew member scheduling, deal with gates, get passengers checked in, etc)

      The point about Excel that I should have expanded on is the scope of this activity. This truly is a multi-billion dollar company that tracks all of its expenses and variances etc through Excel spreadsheets. Every month there's a cadre of several hundred people trying to update and consolidate spreadsheets from roughly 20-30 DBs. And therein lies the true tragedy, they already have DBs, but they choose to do all their work in Excel, which means they enter data in Excel, aggregate multiple spreadsheets through many levels with various people correcting/modifying the DB data in the process, so nothing's ever truly in synch. The bulk of the process they currently go through could be fixed by 2-3 programmers in 3 months or less, greatly reducing errors and manual labor. Instead they employee hundreds of financial types to manually enter and view this crap. (crap because that's what bad data is)

    4. Re:OOOoooo by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      I work with this guy who is quite intelligent, but has unfortunately been brain damaged from working with Access pretty much since God invented dirt. We have MySQL 4x, SQL Server 2000 and Oracle 9i servers running on various machines, but he insists on using Access for a couple of tracking applications that manage some of his data, some of mine. Every time I need to update one of my tables, I have to get him to close his copy of the application, b/c Access of course "manages" synchronous users by locking the table to read only if you are the 2 person to touch it. Despite a year and a half of explanations (and demonstrations!), he still insists that is how ALL DBMS manage synchronous users, so migrating the applications to something else won't fix the issue. Since he is the senior DBA, we still use Access. Excuse me, I am going to go cry now...

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    5. Re:OOOoooo by Fred_A · · Score: 1
      spreadsheets. Every month there's a cadre of several hundred people trying to update and consolidate spreadsheets from roughly 20-30 DBs.
      I've seen variants of this kind of thing all over the place. A lot of people haven't gotten the *point* of computers. It's boggling.
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    6. Re:OOOoooo by sbillard · · Score: 1

      I can relate.
      I was tasked to upgrade a standalone NT4 system to clustered Windows 2000 boxes with shared SAN storage. They called it their "database server" and declared it mission critical. Upon inspection, I found thousands of *.mdb files and reported back to the boss that this wasn't actually a database server, just a file share.
      "Oh no, you're wrong" said the boss. "This is our most critical database server and we need to test everything before we trust this new-fangled electrified W2K cluster."
      *_Sigh_* They spent hundreds and hundreds of man-hours testing every single front end logic path through every single *.mdb file. I couldn't get them to understand this was a simple file server upgrade.

    7. Re:OOOoooo by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Great story, that one's a keeper :)

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    8. Re:OOOoooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I work (currently) there are several Access databases in use in various departments. The problem is that the woman that designed them had zero clue about normalization and only slightly more of a clue as to database functionality.

      She used switchboards and macros (not programmed macros but rather via the macro editor that I can't even remember what it's called) extensively. Anyway her idea of handling year-end/new-year initializations was to have the entire database copied to a new file, delete all the data in the tables and then put another icon on the users desktop. I've seen one user with literally a dozen icons for essentially the same database on her desktop. One for each year of data.

      0o

  14. ...it really is the answer by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Funny

    About ten years ago, I was working for what was then a small, startup ISP doing tech support. For about the first two years I was there, we often had to talk new customers through locking down their modems to 2400 baud in the registration/installation program, because that server often worked best at low speeds. (We also showed them how to reset it to the proper speed afterwards because our POPs were just fine.) I later found out that this was because whoever set up our one and only (at that time) registration server had multiplexed 42 modems through one COM port.

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    1. Re:...it really is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't figure out how the pins on that would hook up with any sort of connector I've ever seen on anything from ascend, livingston, or lucent.

    2. Re:...it really is the answer by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I've seen a special octopus connector that allows you to have eight devices hooked to one COM port. I suppose this was just a bigger version of the same.

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    3. Re:...it really is the answer by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      I've seen a special octopus connector that allows you to have eight devices hooked to one COM port. I suppose this was just a bigger version of the same. ... or, several octopus connectors cascaded off each other...
    4. Re:...it really is the answer by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Funny

      This reminds me of working for an ISP in Melbourne about 5 years back.

      My tech knowledge is a bit rusty but if I recall we had a fairly bad firmware on our dial in modems / boxes which caused the winmodems to disconnect a lot (I know they sucked 7 -> 10 years ago but most ISP's seemed ok with winmodems 5 years back)
      Anyhow I got tired of dealing with angry customers trying to get a reliable connection with their winmodems so I gave them a string which forced the modems to connect at 33.6 baud instead of 56k, I then set the string to report the PORT speed and not the modem handshake speed and bobs your uncle! Customers loved me "He got me a 57600 connection!" all the time.

      Be damned if I recall the string but I think it started with AT....

    5. Re:...it really is the answer by pe1chl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      About 20 years ago, we had an NCR Tower 1632 computer, an 8MHz 68000 machine with 1MB of RAM. It ran Unix.
      There were two 8-port serial boards in it, and about 14 serial terminals connected for users. Those could operate at 19200 baud without trouble.

      Then, there was the MODEM to use for UUCP connection. It was an all-new-tech 2400 baud modem, but it had to be locked down to 1200 because the entire machine would choke when the data was coming in at a whopping 2400 baud.

      It turned out to be like this: the 8-port serial boards were "intelligent". They had their own micro that serviced the ports and communicated with the main processor using some protocol that apparently could transfer largish blocks of data quite efficiently. So the terminals, that were mostly-output, worked fine on it. Blocks of characters were transferred to the serial boards and sent at 19200.
      Receiving was a different story. Apparently the boards cooked up transfer blocks of only one character in size, not knowing how much they could buffer and combine without upsetting the particular protocol running on the line (they were not using information from the serial port ioctls to know that). The overhead of transferring such a buffer was so high that the system could not do it quickly enough, resulting in many overruns and general slowness of the system. At 1200 baud it could cope.

      Ironically, it would have worked just fine when that entire coprocessor crap had been left out and 16 uarts were directly interrupting the main 68000. With efficiently coded interrupt handlers it could have well handled the load.

      (not the first and not the last time I have observed "cpu offloading" solutions that in practice were more of a drag than an improvement)

    6. Re:...it really is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My ISP tried to pull the same trick on me in the 90's. I was *not* amused.

    7. Re:...it really is the answer by macsuibhne · · Score: 1

      Those boards implemented the UNIX line driver protocol. If you stty a tty into 'cooked' mode, they will process a line at a time for both input and output, generating a host interrupt only when a full line is ready to be sent or received. The PDP11/44s we had at college had similar intelligent line driver hardware, but the VAX 11/750 didn't. As a consequence, you could cram 50% more students onto the PDP for normal interactive use than you could on the more powerful VAX. Flip them into 'raw' mode, however, and they become a bottleneck, since all of the lines have to share a single interrupt for each and every character sent and received.

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    8. Re:...it really is the answer by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      I then set the string to report the PORT speed and not the modem handshake speed and bobs your uncle!

      Err.. I haven't dealt with modems for quite a few years, but I'm pretty sure that the speed reported to the user comes from the users modem, not a string sent my the host modem. Why would the users modem think it connected at 57,600 even though it has to know what speed it connected too because it was part of the negotiation process?

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    9. Re:...it really is the answer by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It's been a while since I dealt with Windows DUN, but from memory the modem drivers are essentially chat scripts, and the message about what speed you connected at is generated from the chat script (eg, if it sees "CONNECT 2400/V22bis/V42bis" then it'll tell you it's made a compressed connection at 2400bps.)

      So, yes, the modem reports the speed, but the script is what interprets that and gives the user information. I believe the GP is talking about giving the user some sort of script for their modem that basically works like:

      SEND "AT+SETMODE=V23" WAIT FOR "OK" SEND "ATDT5551212" IF RECEIVED "CONNECT 1200/75" THEN TELL USER "WOAH! You've managed to get a BROADBAND connection, 1.5mbps connection SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATED! WOW!"; START PPP SESSION

      (Numbers exaggerated for emphasis.)

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    10. Re:...it really is the answer by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      I'm pretty sure that the speed reported to the user comes from the users modem, not a string sent my the host modem.

      It does, but you can tell the modem to report its modem-to-computer rate instead of its modem-to-modem rate. 57600 seems a bit low, since most PC serial ports would typically run at 115200, but slower ports aren't so uncommon that I wouldn't believe it.

      At the ISP where I worked, our standard "fix" for customers in one particularly awful small town was to add three commas to the end of the phone number they were dialing (eg replacing "555-1234" with "555-1234,,,"). That caused the modem to wait for three seconds after connecting before starting its handshake, which made it miss the 56k trainup but catch the 33.6 trainup almost every time. The end result was that they'd never get a flaky 56k connection, but instead get a rock-solid 33.6. It was a little slower, but at least it worked consistently.

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    11. Re:...it really is the answer by mqduck · · Score: 1
      There is no such word as "alot," and if there is, there shouldn't be. It's "a lot." Two words, not one.


      Do you also hate words like "cannot"? Do you also hate how my question mark was outside of my quotation marks? What about contractions? Is "can't" evil and wrong? Heck, what about the word "ain't"? It's not only a contraction, but it stands for all sorts of contractions that don't even begin with "ain"! And God! What about Japanese-style contractions? "Famicom"? What they hell is wrong with them? Are they too lazy to say or type out "family computer"?
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    12. Re:...it really is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bastard. I worked Modem support for the #1 modem vendor in the country about 7-8 years back and we had to explain time and again why the customer wasn't REALLY getting a 115.2k connect speed over regular dialup, despite the bastardized init string and port settings in Windows that ISP support gave them.

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    13. Re:...it really is the answer by wiit_rabit · · Score: 1

      Could this have been an eight-port serial board? check out: http://www.digi.com/products/serialcards/pcx.jsp

    14. Re:...it really is the answer by spisska · · Score: 1

      'Cannot' is a word. It is contracted to 'can't'. This is perfectly acceptable grammar. 'Ain't' is an accepted grammatical form, although the word itself in nonstandard and should not be used formally.

      Punctuation goes inside of quotation marks when the punctuation is part of the passage being quoted, and outside the marks if not -- e.g. Malolm X asked, "What did we do, who preceded you?"; Did Churchill really say, "In the morning I'll be sober, but you'll still be ugly"?

      You're also using quotation marks incorrectly. To set off a key concept you should use 'single quotation marks' or italics. You never use double quotation marks for "emphasis".

      Famicom is not a contraction. It was a brand name for the NES in Japan. It is a trande name and a proper noun; that's why it's capitalized.

      'Alot' is not a word (unless you're speaking of Adaptive Large Optics Technologies), nor is it a contraction.

      Bad grammar usage makes the writer look ignorant. Arguing in defense of bad grammer usage makes the arguer look ignorant and obtuse. If something is worth saying, it is worth saying correctly.

      but then you prolly dont cair about you're grammer cuz their always corecting them and besides who rilly needs all theese rediculous rules any way ha ha ha LMAO

    15. Re:...it really is the answer by xded · · Score: 1

      No, it's just a common AT string:

      ATX3&N16

      And, by the way, this is coming from Italy thru a V90 USRobotics Sportster Message Plus modem... 9 years and no line upgrade available here... Sigh...

    16. Re:...it really is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I know they sucked 7 -> 10 years ago but most ISP's seemed ok with winmodems 5 years back)

      Well, dial-up is still not dead. I have a lot of customers who still use it. Winmodems still suck! Even the latest and greatest seem to have trouble with phone lines that work perfectly with external 56k modems. My routine fix has been to lock them down to 33.6 and they seem to work fine. At anything over 33.6 they spend more time retraining than they do transferring data. Internet connections actually feel faster to my customers at the lower speed!

    17. Re:...it really is the answer by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      That was true for "real" modems. For WinModems or, Ghod forbid, HSP (SPIT!) "thinks it's a modems," there really are driver programs. Winmodems take some of the processing out of the hardware and do it in software. They're a little more sensitive to line issues, but they can be upgraded with a simple driver update. The (UGH! YUCK!) HSP was simply a lobotomized soundcard that did *everything* except generate the sounds/bytes in software. Worst excuse for a modem I ever saw!

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    18. Re:...it really is the answer by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      No. There was a big, black plug that went into the COM port with cords connected to it. Each of them had (I presume) a DB9 connector that you could hook whatever you wanted to. In our case, it was incoming data from security cameras, not modems.

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    19. Re:...it really is the answer by savorymedia · · Score: 1
      I later found out that this was because whoever set up our one and only (at that time) registration server had multiplexed 42 modems through one COM port.
      I used to work as IT Admin for a staffing company in TX a few years ago and in the main office (there were three offices in three different cities), they were running the entire office's internet access (roughly 25 computers) off a single, low-speed ISDN line run into the main office's file and network server...which was a HP so old that it was about the size of a mini-fridge. On top of that, they wanted to run a centralized intranet and VPN on the same setup.

      I only stayed with the company for about 6 months. In that time, I never got them to upgrade to a better server, but I did get them to switch to Roadrunner business cable. I never found out if they got their ill-fated VPN and intranet set up.
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    20. Re:...it really is the answer by mqduck · · Score: 1
      'Ain't' is an accepted grammatical form, although the word itself in nonstandard

      True (oops... I meant "that is true"). It's type of meaning/use is probably unique.

      and should not be used formally.

      The concept of "formal" speak is quite elitist and, more importantly, unimportant for any possible practical reason unless speaking otherwise is unclear.

      Punctuation goes inside of quotation marks when the punctuation is part of the passage being quoted, and outside the marks if not -- e.g. Malolm X asked, "What did we do, who preceded you?"; Did Churchill really say, "In the morning I'll be sober, but you'll still be ugly"?

      Malcolm X? I love that guy! Actually, he liked to insist that blacks should not use Ebonics as it made them seem ignorant. So you've got a friend in Mr. X.

      Anyhow, the way you describe the way to punctuate regarding quotation marks certainly seems like the most logical way to me. I think that's the way I used them, too. But I recall hearing that they're "supposed" to be use otherwise. I could always be wrong.

      'Alot' is not a word (unless you're speaking of Adaptive Large Optics Technologies), nor is it a contraction.

      Please do explain to me how "alot" is not a contraction for "a lot".

      Famicom is not a contraction. It was a brand name for the NES in Japan. It is a trande name and a proper noun; that's why it's capitalized.

      Why can't a proper noun be/come from a contraction? What about the meaning of the word "contraction" says it can't be? (And don't quote a dictionary definition of the word. I said "meaning" instead of "definition" for a reason.)

      Bad grammar usage makes the writer look ignorant.

      This is totally separate from a discussion on if good grammar is important. It isn't and arguing that it is makes the writer look like a fool, IMHO.

      If something is worth saying, it is worth saying correctly.

      "Correct" when it comes to language is imaginary. If something is worth saying, it's worth saying in a manner that can be as clearly and totally understood as possible. The only other consideration should be the likelihood that the listener(s) will understand the way in which you express what you're trying to.

      but then you prolly dont cair about you're grammer cuz their always corecting them and besides who rilly needs all theese rediculous rules any way ha ha ha LMAO


      See above what I said about the importance of clarity. The ones that are irritating are ones that take more effort (however small) to understand. I hate it and consider the author (possibly) stupid (at least a little) if they can't use periods as much as anybody. If you think I'm contradicting myself, you need to reread my previous answer.
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    21. Re:...it really is the answer by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      I don't know very much about the server side of dial-up networking, and am desperately trying to forget everything I knew about the client side, but I am curious as to why you guys didn't just configure YOUR modems to not handshake at anything above 2400bps, instead of having every individual customer make a temporary change on their side.

    22. Re:...it really is the answer by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I miss-read your statement thinking that you configured your modems to send misleading connect speeds (and not give users an AT command to configure their modem to do the same).

      The modem era is one bad memory I'm glad is over and I don't have the remember anything about anymore. What an awfull technology I'm glad is dead. I just wish that FAX would die the same death.

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    23. Re:...it really is the answer by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      We didn't set the modems to 2400 baud because it wasn't always needed. If you connected when it wasn't busy, no problem. If you tried when the server was fairly busy, you'd need to slow your modem down. Most of the time, it was just fine; we only needed to intervene during peak periods, and that wasn't even every day.

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    24. Re:...it really is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so fucking move! Goddamn, it's 2007. Do you understand this?

    25. Re:...it really is the answer by BrianRaker · · Score: 1

      Ascend, Livingston and Lucent are pretty much the same nowadays...

      Ascend MAX and Portmaster 3's for the win!

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    26. Re:...it really is the answer by Rojo^ · · Score: 1
      so I gave them a string which forced the modems to connect at 33.6 baud instead of 56k

      I worked for a small dial-up provider with this same issue. Anytime the firmware was upgraded on our modems, we would render hundreds of customers unable to connect until they either upgraded their winmodem firmware, or disabled v.90 / kflex / x2 long enough to download updated firmware. www.808hi.com/56k/trouble2.htm was where I always went to find the appropriate init strings. Looking back at that page now, I can't decide whether to feel nostalgic or nauseous.
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    27. Re:...it really is the answer by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Oh god yeah we totally lived on that site and some other one for the "dummy" support guys - I forgot the name but it had screenshots which you could click to guide your way through helping the customer, it had Outlook, Outlook XP, Outlook 2000 that kind of thing - every version all clickable.
      I beleive they started charging for it when they realised just how many ISP's were using it to help their own support staff.

    28. Re:...it really is the answer by GWBasic · · Score: 1
      I then set the string to report the PORT speed and not the modem handshake speed and bobs your uncle! Customers loved me "He got me a 57600 connection!" all the time.

      Consider being honest. It's helped my career.

  15. Seal it up by crossmr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had an instructor who used to work in industry. He'd told me about a company he was consulting for. They had a Novell box that they administered remotely. During some remodeling, the small closet/room it was in was sealed with drywall. It was 4 years before the box required maintenance and someone went about trying to find it and realized what had happened.

    1. Re:Seal it up by Scarletdown · · Score: 4, Informative
      During some remodeling, the small closet/room it was in was sealed with drywall. It was 4 years before the box required maintenance and someone went about trying to find it and realized what had happened.


      http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010409S0012

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    2. Re:Seal it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "company" was actually the University of North Carolina @ Chapel Hill back in 2001:

      http://www.chemistry.ohio-state.edu/compsupp/Newsl etter/news_36.html

    3. Re:Seal it up by crossmr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not the same place, so not the first time it happened. I don't think they had to call in Novell to find it.

    4. Re:Seal it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People hated Netware, but it did the job and it did it without needing any attention for years and years. Of course the problem was that when it did need something to be fixed you had already forgotten how to administer the damn thing...

    5. Re:Seal it up by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      And that IS the beauty of NetWare, it just works

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    6. Re:Seal it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't an isolated thing. About 8 years ago, I was doing Y2K upgrades for a bunch of municipalities in NJ. One had a Novell 3x server running and we were converting them to Linux to run our database software. After several hours of searching for the server and finally calling the recently retired director, I was led to a large, newly finished wall, they called maintenance and after a few minutes of arguing with the new borough director, he unlocked the data center with a sawzall. They had renovated the office after the old director retired and the carpenters followed the blueprints to the letter, placing a wall over the entrance to the room where the servers were. They had been running untouched for over a year.

    7. Re:Seal it up by beadfulthings · · Score: 1

      Having been a CNE back in the day I can tell you that those stories abound. I've seen more than one forgotten server and was actually present at the death of one that had been running unattended, un-noticed, and un-backed-up for a number of years under a desk in a supply closet. Nobody ever thought about it until its network adapter began to go.

      The sad part about it was that it didn't have to die. I got a backup and could have set it up on another box. The problem was that the diskette with the serial number (called the "gendata" disk) was missing. They managed to locate the 35-odd other floppies, but that one had been put away "in a safe place," and nobody could find it after all those years. Novell could be of no help because the version was so old--though actually it was the one I'd initially been certified on.

      The decision was made, folks got their everyday files off it, we held a moment of silence, thanked it for its years of service, and just shut it off. Actually we accorded it the dignity of typing "down" on its dusty keyboard.

      Replaced next day with an NT server.

      Sob!

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    8. Re:Seal it up by phorm · · Score: 1

      We had something similar but in our case a network switch in a cubblehole had been covered and walled over by the drywallers. It really sucked to find it when it died, and sucked more when they had to whack a 3x4' hole in the wall to get at it.

    9. Re:Seal it up by nikolag · · Score: 1

      Same thing with my friend and his company Samba/gateway/DNS/etc P-100.

      He put linux on it, set everthing up and went for another job in US (we live in Europe).

      After two years and-something he was back and they contacted him "because something was worng with network". They found that server locked toalet (some re-decorating was done, obviously).
      Poor PC was so full of dust that CD tray would not open. Processor fan and PSU fan were also blocked by dust "and other things".
      Unfortunately, power controler on mainboard was dead so they swhitched to win2000 for server. It took them six(6) months to get similar functionality and reliability.

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    10. Re:Seal it up by Suicidal+Gir · · Score: 1

      Oh my God, I worked for that company! I was an intern there last year, and I was working the network group. I had the job of pulling old cables from the main data center under the raised floor, and in the process I had heard quite a few stories of things that had happened. Sure enough, they had to extend the data center into some of the cubicle space, and during the remodeling the server got boxed in (don't ask me how). After 4 years of running flawlessly they had a problem and needed to put a CD into it to reinstall something. They tried and tried and couldn't find the computer. So the one guy finally just found the network cable and followed it... into a wall. Needless to say the maintenance crew had to bust a hole through the wall and the server still works to this day :)

    11. Re:Seal it up by crossmr · · Score: 1

      Not the company in question, and as is pointed out, they don't have a lock on this its happened elsewhere.

    12. Re:Seal it up by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      Some friends and I did some summer work at our school. It's a large school (1600+) and has roughly 500 computers to service. Most of the work was running Cat5e into classrooms. The most bizarre thing I saw aside from the rank smell that came wafting from the ceiling when you removed the tiles was a Catalyst 3560 (sp?) switch hanging from the ceiling. With Cat5e. Apparently someone was lazy and didn't feel lke bolting it. It's surprising how strong Cat5e is, I recall suspending a kid from the ceiling back in my first year of technical school.

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    13. Re:Seal it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, someone told them they needed to put up a firewall....

  16. I hack, therefore I am by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There was the time back in the late 1980s when the multiplexed underground cable that my college was using to provide terminal connectivity for their new-fangled computerized class registration stopped working, and they ran dozens of hastily-created RS-232 cables from the data center to the hall where the action was, half a block away... secured to the sidewalk by duct tape, of course. Which at least didn't remain in place as long as the 10base2 cable that connected two dorms, strung between their 2nd floors (until it was taken out by a lightning strike).

    More recent ugly hacks that I can claim personal credit/blame for are mostly of the sort that involve pulling a rabbit out of my ass because a solution needs to be found By Tomorrow Morning... like for deploying 200 installations of Windows 95 in a week (in the days before Ghost, or even backup software that preserved Long FileNames) using DOS boot diskettes, Netware, a utility called lfnbk, and ncopy... or building an e-mail server out of RedHat Linux 6 and spare parts (no, I didn't even have a complete working computer at my disposal) when the company's glorified BBS mail software found itself unable to exchange mail with the standards-compliant system used by a major new business partner.

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    1. Re:I hack, therefore I am by robpoe · · Score: 1

      I used to create Netware 3.x servers with a DOS boot disk with the netware netx drivers, fdisk and format ...

      boot, fdisk make 20 meg part, reboot, format 20 meg part, login to the server, copy the c:\netware directory to the C: drive, reboot, load server.exe (the lan drivers were in the c:\netware directory, as were most of the (at the time) recent SCSI drivers I needed..

      Then once the server comes up, create SYS: (which made the bindery), hit it from remote and copy in the SYS: stuff. Took longer for me to type it than it did to create it ;)

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    2. Re:I hack, therefore I am by JayClements · · Score: 2, Funny

      Early 1980's with a DEC VAX connected to VT100 terminals via rs-232 cables running under a suspended floor system. Most of the terminals were on little roll-around carts. I had pulled a floor panel to run new cable, a manager says "what does this do?" and grabs an rs-232 line and gives it a hard tug (don't know why). Two offices over an engineer's terminal/cart takes off while he's typing, rolls about five feet and slams into a wall. I replaced a damaged connector and everything was ok. The manager thought it was funny, the engineer didn't.

    3. Re:I hack, therefore I am by hitmark · · Score: 1

      hmm, 10baseT between dorms.

      i recall a similar setup where the individual dorm room where cabled together using 10base5 (or maybe 10base2) strung from room to room by passing it out one window and in the next.

      clever, but kinda silly watching that black cable go from window to window and even drop a floor to do a u-turn...

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  17. Analog e-mail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I got hired as an Information Specialist for one of the government sponsored agencies in Hellinois, the people there would write their e-mails on a piece of paper and give those to their previous IT guy. He would then type them up and send them out via a yahoo e-mail. No kidding.

    1. Re:Analog e-mail. by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      I work at an architectural firm (I'm a contractor so I can talk shit), and I shit you not a bit, they do that here. In 2007.

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    2. Re:Analog e-mail. by zuluechopapa · · Score: 1

      I had a friend in college who would get emails from relatives along the lines of 'Oh, I got a hilarious email yesterday, I'll send it to you!', and 3 days later he'd get a snail mail from them with a printed off email. They just never quite grasped the concept, I suppose. more off topic.. at a major .com place.. we had a 'show room' data center, for to impress executives of large accounts we wanted to win. had a tour going through. exec got to the end and saw 2 buttons, both red one little and the other big. he picked the EPO to open the mag locks. I think we stopped tours after that.

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  18. long ping next door by darkonc · · Score: 4, Funny
    We shared our internet with the small ISP who sublet a portion of the building from us. They were upgrading their connection to the backbone from a T1 to a microwave link (gives you an idea as to how long ago this was).

    At one point, they had changed their routing so that they were using the new link but we hadn't, so we decided to see how a ping went.

    A packet between the two machines would go through our router, over the ethernet that the two companies shared, out the (old) external router, and down the coast through Seattle, to California, then back up the coast to Vancouver, and then finally over the same shared ethernet cable that the packet had originally gone out before finally connecting to their router.

    A cross-border round trip of a few thousand miles for a net distance of about 60 feet.

    Oh, and did I mention that our server room was a converted bank vault?

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    1. Re:long ping next door by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Funny

      I remember when (at the ISP I did tech suppport for) a traceroute from our office in Pasadena to Caltech would take 11 hops, 4 of them in the midwest because our backbone supplier routed everything through their main datacenter. It didn't take long for us to find a different backbone suppliier!

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    2. Re:long ping next door by daveytay · · Score: 1

      Yeah, your upstream ISP routing is beyond your control, still is.

    3. Re:long ping next door by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Some time ago, I worked for a small software company in Russia. Internet there was very expensive, so we got a one-way satellite link. I decided to ping my machine from our router. I was fascinated, packets first went to Greece (about 6000km) where satellite uplink was located, then they were beamed up to space (geostationary orbit, 36000km) and finally beamed down to our receiver. A trip of about 80000km to the computer in the next room.

    4. Re:long ping next door by Muffhead · · Score: 1

      Had the same thing. I live in Bermuda. A number of years ago the ISPs didn't have local interconnects. To ping the next office would go over to the US, rattle around the east coast for a bit & then bounce back to the island. You could easily be 20 hops to cover a 100m or so.

    5. Re:long ping next door by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      Oh, and did I mention that our server room was a converted bank vault?

      One of my clients specializes in mission critical hosting... they buy default banks and convert the vaults to server bunkers, basically.

      I seem to remember hearing they bought the old atomic bunker from the city too...

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    6. Re:long ping next door by isaac · · Score: 1
      A packet between the two machines would go through our router, over the ethernet that the two companies shared, out the (old) external router, and down the coast through Seattle, to California, then back up the coast to Vancouver, and then finally over the same shared ethernet cable that the packet had originally gone out before finally connecting to their router.

      A cross-border round trip of a few thousand miles for a net distance of about 60 feet.


      Well, duh. It had to traverse a point convenient to the NSA.

      -Isaac
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    7. Re:long ping next door by Strider- · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was once working for a company that made portable satellite terminals. At one point, we had two buildings separated by about 80 feet and one day the inter-building goes down. Unfortunately they were on either side of a parkade. Our IT guy tries to get it back up, but the building manager gave us the cold shoulder and said it would be a few days before they could send someone out. So, as a stop-gap, we pulled out two satellite units and went up on the air. The data was making a 50 000 mile round trip to go all of 80 feet. :) Speeds were pretty good, but the latency was a bitch.

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    8. Re:long ping next door by CthulhuDreamer · · Score: 1

      A company I used to work for near Seattle had a sister company in Vancouver, BC (150 miles north). Traffic from us to them went down the backbone to LA, Denver, Chicago, across the border to Toronto, Calgary, then into Vancouver. When they send something to us, it was only a single hop down I-5. Many times backhoe fade in the Midwest would take down our outgoing, but we could receive traffic just fine.

    9. Re:long ping next door by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Back around 1995, someone I knew then traced their email hops ... turned out that a good chunk of the email going from the eastern US to the west coast regularly did so by way of Singapore. WTF??!

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    10. Re:long ping next door by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      During the early years of that ISP, outgoing and incoming mail often had the mail server's name visible. As our naming scheme was to use the names of countries, we had such things as france.isp.com, italy.isp.com and so on. We often had to explain to confused callers that just because the server's name was france didn't mean that it was located there.

      Some of our oldest servers had astronomical names. I always wished they'd used andromeda.isp.com as a mail server, so I could explain that the reason mail was delayed was the 4 million year ping times.

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    11. Re:long ping next door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is quite normal that server rooms are located in converted bank vaults. One of the biggest Dutch hosting providers has it's server park in the old Dutch national bank building vault thingy.

    12. Re:long ping next door by anothy · · Score: 1

      this is more common than we'd all like. you'd figure Bell Labs could get this right, right? well, for about a year after the Lucent/AT&T split, going from the first floor of the Murray Hill headquarters building to the fifth floor of the same building required going through holmdel, about a hundred-mile round trip. we got around this by talking real nice to one of the building wiring techs to get us a drop that looked like it was on the fifth floor down on the first.
      my current company has offices in Maryland, London, and India. getting from the former two to India required taking the long route around the world. stupid Himalayas.

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  19. some totally wicked "weird" security by ILuvRamen · · Score: 0, Funny

    I helped design a setup that has an insane security system that's unheard of. It's trap based, as it everything I do. For instance, there's a keyboard sitting on top the desk and a keyboard and if any key is pressed on it, an alarm goes off. The real keyboard is on a pullout tray beneath that and all employees allowed to use the system are told that. If anyone sits down and doesn't know that, they don't get to use the computer. Simple yet effective. There's also some other absolutely 100% hacker proof crazy things in the setup that haven't been used anywhere else before because I invented them but I obviously can't reveal exactly how they work because that's part of why they work. But trust me, it's probably the most secure setup in the world and any hacker or person that broke in intending to do any sort of digital harm would end up confused and arrested no matter how skilled they were.

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    1. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by Trillian_1138 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As I'd hope you know, security through obscurity (which it *sounds* like you have, at least in part) is not in-and-of-itself bad. But I hope you also have security systems which don't rely on people simply not knowing how they work, as that is bad policy. A combination of the two is gonna be your best bet.

      -Trillia

    2. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by x-caiver · · Score: 1
      some other absolutely 100% hacker proof crazy things

      Sorry, but anyone who makes statements like that is not as good as they think they are. If there is anyway for someone to get access to the system then it is not 100% 'hacker proof'. Designing a 100% secure system would be cost prohibitive. (unless you happen to have access to steel vaults, guys with guns, dna analysis tools, and sharks with freakin` lasers and you don't mind the computer not actually being connected to a network)
    3. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      But what if it requires a working sense of humor to operate? It seems that would rule out a large portion of the online community.

    4. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      There's also some other absolutely 100% hacker proof crazy things in the setup that haven't been used anywhere else before because I invented them but I obviously can't reveal exactly how they work because that's part of why they work. Ah, the joys of security through obscurity.
    5. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by jne_oioioi · · Score: 0
      There's also some other absolutely 100% hacker proof crazy things in the setup that haven't been used anywhere else before because I invented them but I obviously can't reveal exactly how they work because that's part of why they work.
      Reminds me of an old guy who made his own anti-theft device in his car : a knife inside/below the drivers seat. Unless you knew it was there it'd puncture your gluteus maximus when you sat down.
    6. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then the old guy promptly gets sued by the would be robber for a lot more than the car is worth.

    7. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by morie · · Score: 1

      Maybe in some fucked up countries, but many judges would rule that you do not need to be notified if you do not need to be in the car...

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    8. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, sadly the guy you replied to is probably right, at least in the US. When we lived in Colombia (decades ago...) gasoline theft was big, and a guy my dad knew put a spring-loaded barbed rod on his gas cap - and caught a guy, but he got in some trouble himself for setting a booby trap. Sad, really...

    9. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      Sad, but at the same time it's not so sad. The problem stems from the fact that it causes physical harm and isn't discriminate. For example, what if a police officer commandeered the car for official use? Sure, it's mighty rare, but at the same time you'd injure someone who wasn't breaking the law. What if you forgot to notify someone you loaned the car to, or your car was being towed for illegal parking and the tow truck operator sat down to take off the parking brake? The legal issue with booby traps in cars that cause harm are that they're dangerous to people who cannot reasonably be considered criminals. Honestly, even I have walked up to a car that I thought was mine and only realized I'd made a mistake when the ignition key wouldn't work. This knife would have injured me for an honest mistake, and the law does not consider that reasonable to protect a car from theft. A car alarm that makes noise doesn't do any permanent harm, but a knife in the butt could conceivably be fatal (femoral arteries are nearby).

      Virg

    10. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      I've got an even smarter system than that...my car is actually too ghetto for someone to want to steal...the ultimate anti-theft technique! Actually, I have 9 cold cathode neons and 40 LEDs on 2 different computer power supplies which are on a massive 800 watt inverter that also runs a set of Logitech X-230's and 530's which are horrendously loud and clear and soon it will have a 400 watt RMS JBL powered sub on it too but anyway, it all just looks like a bunch of scary, ghetto ass wiring and junk if it's not powered up but it looks (and sounds) like a $1000+ setup when it's on, plus it's a 99 mercury tracer so with all that combined, it's totally bitching but nobody would steal it lol. Oh and it has a ton of upgrades under the hood that you can't see from the outside :)

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    11. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and a Type "R" badge on the back.

    12. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Just stick a wire up through the seat and run the other end to a spark plug cable. Knew somebody who did that to someone as a practical joke.

    13. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      I've got an even smarter system than that... [blah] :) Damn. Is it September already?
    14. Re:some totally wicked "weird" security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that's satire.
      Otherwise, well, you're a fucking idiot.

  20. Honorable Mention by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know the poster was looking for funny/interesting anecdotes directly from our community, but for those of you who haven't stumbled across The Daily WTF, hop on over to that site and make it a part of your daily reading. While the focus used to be mostly on programming, it's abstracted itself to the generic IT level in recent months, and you'll see all sorts of bizarre stories there.

    The Daily WTF is to IT workers what Jerry Springer is to everyone else. Just when you think you're having a bad day and your life is in the crapper, you can take a few minutes to soak in a situation where somebody else has it much, much worse... :)

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    1. Re:Honorable Mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another good one is http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/

      It's quite entertaining. ;)

    2. Re:Honorable Mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Slashdot, though, make sure you read the comments. Often, people's "solutions" to the original post will be even funnier and more of a WTF than the original. One of the best ones for "stupid comments" is setDirty( true ) where, after nearly 200 posts, the general consensus is that the original code was basically correct, and the number of "corrections" that failed to duplicate the original functionality is rather amazing.

      Spoiler: For those that don't want to draw out the truth table that the submitter for the linked story apparently needed to do, the code calls "setDirty(true)" only if the value it's called with is different from the old value. So any "correction" that can ever execute "setDirty(false)" is broken.

    3. Re:Honorable Mention by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      I wrote this one in my blog back when I still worked for my cable ISP (The now defunct Adelphia)

      http://wearyman.blogspot.com/2005/05/im-surrounded -by-morons.html

      Enjoy!

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    4. Re:Honorable Mention by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      For months thedailywtf.com has seemed down to me. Are you sure it still works?

    5. Re:Honorable Mention by zanglang · · Score: 1

      Eh, a story only just came out today. Might want to check your internet settings?

  21. ISP I swear by zakeria · · Score: 1

    I worked for an ISP that ran everything on one single SUN Solaris machine i kid you not! and it was so old when it rebooted it took over 30 mins to come back online thats if you where lucky sometimes it never came back. The poor thing just wanted to die and stay dead.. The funny thing is six years on and they still use the thing, but have over 20 servers now running linux.. not sure if thats saying something bad or good lol

  22. Phone cables from modems by lexarius · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wanted to try out the option to have the server page me in case of problems. Only problem was that the only phone jack in the server room was on the other side of the room, and I didn't have a phone cable nearly that long. But I did have a box of old ISA modems and short phone cables. My intuition told me that the "Line In" ports were wired directly to the "Phone" ports and didn't require power or actual computers to drive them. So I daisy chained modem cards and short cables together across the ceiling, wedging the actual cards behind cable housing and drop ceiling tiles, until finally I got dialtone. My supervisor commended me for my creativity but made me take it down, since the policy was that the modems were not to be connected to phone lines for fear of people being able to dial in to them or something. Never mind the dedicated internet connection.

    1. Re:Phone cables from modems by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You reminded me of the time our network admin wanted to setup a failover for our main (high-traffic) website. He figured that he could just add the IP address of our off-site emergency server as a third entry in DNS, since (at least to him) DNS worked by always hitting the first IP, and only moving down the list if it couldn't hit the previous one.

      Only it doesn't. It round-robined the requests, so 1/3rd of our traffic was immediately and swiftly rerouted to our emergency site, which some enterprising webmaster had setup to email the webmaster box if anyone hit it (to make sure, I guess, that no one was going to it).

      We noticed it because 5 emails came in at once, and then 10 more, and then it didn't stop until Groupwise crashed. We lost all the email in the box, and emails were coming in at some insane rate. We figured it out maybe 3 minutes in, but by the time we logged in and made the change, it was way too late.

    2. Re:Phone cables from modems by sydb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, can't tell whether your story is about the incompetent admin and his DNS "hack" or the Groupwise server which loses all your mail when it gets full. Either way it's good, though.

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    3. Re:Phone cables from modems by tom17 · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of when I was at my first job at a "rather large" software company that we all know.

      Some guy in the exchange team in Redmond decided to test the capability of distributions groups with all the employees in it. Due to the large worldwide nature of the company, this was a *lot* of employees.

      Naturally he did not test e-mailing to this ultra-huge email group as it would likely set off a swarm of emails from people wondering what this group was.

      But all it took was one person looking through the groups he was in and thinking "oh what's this one then?" So he sent an e-mail to the group declaring shenannigans and wondering why he was on this group without prior knowledge... ...shortly followed by an exponential growth of "me too" mails and the entire companies exchange servers grinding to a halt within 10 mins.

      That was fun. Anyone reading this who was in that company at that time (Around 98ish maybe?) should remember this :)

    4. Re:Phone cables from modems by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      I dont know what version of GroupWise YOU were using, but I have been using since it was PerfectMail (c) Word Perfect Corp, but a GW server will NEVER lose its e-mail because the volume fills up. The server politely dismounts the volume, GW will just fail because it no longer has its database. Mount the volume back up ( without GW running ) do some cleanup, toss another drive into the server, extend the volume, and you are golden! Light it back up and your off an running. It may have to re-build a boat load of indecies, but that's about as far as it goes. I know, I have seen several GW systems run out of disk space.

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    5. Re:Phone cables from modems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't say for much for groupwise back then. Guess things never change.

    6. Re:Phone cables from modems by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      reminds me of a jerry-rigged network install i did a few years back, they wanted to run from the utility cupboard under the stairs into the new office upstairs, which used to be a flat. bearing in mind i had very limited equipment to hand and had a hang over i managed to route the cabling i had under a cupboard in the kitchenette closesly missing drilling though the toilet's waste pipe to the only spot of hung cieling that you could get to near the utility room as most of the downstairs was a bar/restaurant. then realised the cabling i'd been given was abot 3 metres too short. fortunatley i had enough to make up the distance and a spare socket. so i wedged both cables into the back of the socket, which has probably long since worked it's way loose by now. It was only after my hangover abated several hours later that i realised i should have used a spare plug AND the spare socket.

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    7. Re:Phone cables from modems by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      I once had to lash up a computer in the Channel Islands (Jersey) so that its screen could be seen during a presentation in the Natural History Museum in London. I confirmed there was a phone socket next to the computer and flew out to Jersey with a US Robotics modem and some remote s/w (probably PC Anywhere or the like - it was about 1989).

      Anyway, things went well-ish until the modem started to smoke. I quickly turned it off and did some investigating. It turned out that the phone switch in that part of the building was an old 'Plessey' system with a standing DC voltage on the line which was frying the modem's isolating transformer. After a quick walk round, I found a 'generic' outside line two floors up. The computer couldn't be moved as it was built into the desk and was also a 'server' (Netware Lite!) and running an LED board display system - the viewers in London were to see the display software in action, but it wouldn't fire up and work unless connected to the display - which was about 10ft square and mounted high on a wall. I despatched my junior colleague to buy some long phone extension cords/reels... ...After about two hours, he came back with several bulging carrier bags - he'd been to the local hardware superstore but they only had a few 2m cords so he'd been to every electrical shop he could find buying up short cords. We sat down and linked about 30-40 together to reach the phone outlet! The cords were taped to floors, walls etc. to get to the phone socket. The modem still worked - but smelled kinda burnt!

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    8. Re:Phone cables from modems by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know either, but I do know that we lost our email in the box. They restored it from the previous nights backup, so we only really lost that morning's email, but it happened.

      I don't think it had to do with running out of disk space, but some setting that had on the accounts to limit how much mail could be in them. Sorry, not a GW expert, so I don't know the specifics (I wish I did though!)

    9. Re:Phone cables from modems by joshetc · · Score: 1

      Haha talk about nostalgia. I did that when I was like 8 on a regular basis, only in my house...not quite as bad I guess. 50ft phone lines are hard to come by when you are a kid...

    10. Re:Phone cables from modems by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That reminds me of the opposite- a similar chain made for idiotic reasons out of expensive hardware. In high school, we had a Mac Lab with a daisy-chained localtalk network using node-boxes and telephone cords from one computer to another. The intelligent physics and math teacher who had been running the lab was too busy, so the school put an unqualified elementary teacher in charge of the lab. The yearbook staff was just moving to desktop publishing, and needed to be able to print. Some of their documents were too big to move on one floppy disk, and segmenting and rejoining files to print a test page is a serious pain in the ass. They didn't have the budget to buy themselves a laser printer (remember, it was either laser or dot matrix at the time, and dot matrix wouldn't handle their layouts), but the computer lab manager said he could connect them to the network so they could print on the shared printer. And he networked them exactly the same way the other machines in the lab were networked- with short, pre-made phone cords and node boxes. That's right- he chained about 12 node boxes in a row with phone cords to get a long enough chain to stretch through the lowered ceiling to the yearbook room.

      This wasn't obsolete equipment- node boxes were $50 each. He spent $600 of the computer lab budget on node boxes to add one computer to the network. He could have just bought them a laser printer for that.

      My friends and I found out he'd done it that way, and went out to Radio Shack and bought a 100-ft roll of telephone cord and some crimp-on ends and made a 100' cord, and replaced the chain of short cords and node-boxes in the ceiling. He was none the wiser, and we ended up with $600 worth of node boxes and about $50 in short, pre-made phone cables.

      That's when we started having LAN parties. Previously, we couldn't afford the node boxes. After that, it was Bolo, Scepter, and other early network games all night.

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  23. Personal favorite. by GrueMaster · · Score: 1

    Back in the day of Atari ST computers, a friend of mine purchased several boxes of 5, 10, 20, and 40 meg hard drives from a computer store bankrupcy auction. He then build a wood shelving unit that mounted to the wall over his computer desk, and set all the drives on the shelves, using cereal boxes as separators. He then wired them up to scsi controllers, 6 drives per. On one end, he had a set of lighted low voltage toggle switches attached to low and high voltage regulators. It looked like an old computer from the 50's. Each drive had a label, and if he wanted something off a particular drive, he'd flip several toggle switches, throw the main power switch, and boot up. The entire wall would vibrate with the drives spinning. It was great to watch. A couple of drives would not spin up sometimes, so he'd pick them up and shake them until they started spinning.

    Another one of my favorites was this database system running in the catalog sales office of an art gallery. I had taken them on as clients, fixing bugs in this database, and working on a migration path to Foxpro. One day I got a call that they had garbage data for the two years prior, when they went to review a customer's history. Turned out the hard drive was full, but the database system was happily writing new data over old files. Fortunately, I had all the data on tape as part of my development efforts.

    1. Re:Personal favorite. by GrueMaster · · Score: 1

      Why do you say that? It is true. Unfortunately, I didn't have a digital camera back in 1990, otherwise I would have taken a picture of his setup. I still have one of the drives he gave me, a Microscience 40M 5.25 RLL drive, hooked up to an adaptec RLLSCSI controller. And yes, I have to shake it to get it to spin up.

      If you are refering to the other story, I still have the backup tapes, and the database program in question was marketed by Tandy Computers, called filePro 16. Look it up, you pathetic welp.

  24. U.S. Navy's NMCI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Try this:

    • Determine your network needs to be worked over
    • Spend millions before realizing its a big job
    • Ignore you in house staff and bring in a contract org whose primary focus is milking the money out of Uncle Sam
    • Accept decreasing deliverables from the contractor as they raise the price
    • Ignore your user complaints and jimmy the surveys to show 98% satisfaction
    • Deal with security issues created by the contract org and their sub-contractors
    • Accept more decreases in deliverables
    • Consider turning over more of your network to the contract org
    • Have your legacy staff cover all the local complaints generated by SNAFUs created by the contract org
    1. Re:U.S. Navy's NMCI by nethole · · Score: 0

      Gotta love AT&T 3B2s . . .

  25. My direct experience... by rah1420 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was the "computer guy" at a fabric processor in a town in Eastern PA that Shall Remain Nameless. Being "The computer guy" meant that they blamed me for the outages, but of course gave me no spending authority to do anything to fix the problems...

    About 1 month into the gig, I was in the front office which was connected to the computer room by fiber optic cable (probably the smartest thing this company did.) However, once the fiber terminated at the switch in the office, the horizontal wiring to the workstations was, God help me, silver satin cable. Telephone wire. The shit was everywhere. There were about 100 workstations salted through the plant (which ran high voltage AC and heaters and whatnot) and everyone complained about the server performance. I wasn't even allowed (!) to put a network analyzer on the wire and was too naive/stupid at the time to realize what the problem was. The guy who had the spend authority, the "chief engineer," told me the problem was lack of RAM in the server and was always harping on me to upgrade the memory.

    Another time I opened a closet to find a splice of this satin cable (they must have bought it surplus, they had hundreds of reels of the stuff) and the splice was made with, I kid you not, wire nuts.

    I lasted 18 months there. I heard they brought an ex-Accenture conslutant in soon after to fix the "computer problems" and she ran the company into the ground.

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    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
    1. Re:My direct experience... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      , the horizontal wiring to the workstations was, God help me, silver satin cable. Telephone wire.

      I remember some sort of proprietary network setup that used small boxes hooked up to the parallel ports to share printers and files over phone cable. This was in a NYC museum in 1998 or so. Slow as hell and difficult to find parts for. I was 18 at the time and really didn't know better, so I somehow obtained parts inexpensively to extend the network when what I really *should* have done is junked the setup and gone to Ethernet over Cat 5. Oh well, they still paid me quite a bit for a weekend's work fixing their other computer problems, and they were happy, so no one's really complaining...

      -b.

    2. Re:My direct experience... by ID10T5 · · Score: 2, Funny
      This was in a NYC museum in 1998 or so.

      Was this technology on display in the museum, or was it being used in day-to-day museum business?

    3. Re:My direct experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, phone line networking is a moderately large business. Just look at HomePNA.

    4. Re:My direct experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehe... the ex-accenture consultant probably recommended them to upgrade the cpus of all workstations to dual intel to improve performance. or the consultant fixed the wiring, but used gold wires everywhere....

    5. Re:My direct experience... by maple_shaft · · Score: 1

      I worked at a company that sounds EXACTLY like the one you are griping about. I was also working at a nameless company where I was brought on as the "computer guy" with the thought that I would some day relinquish the computer duties of the Chief Engineer.

      Turns out that the guy was a control freak and everything had to be done exactly his way (the obscenely wrong way). I was never allowed to spend ANY money to fix ANY problems.

      Their server closet was a converted bathroom with fans blowing DIRECTLY from the dusty dirty machine shop INTO the server closet. Not to mention that every time the sewer backed up, the drain in the floor would spew raw sewage onto the servers, which would manually require cleaning afterwards.

      HA! I also only lasted 18 months!

    6. Re:My direct experience... by magerquark.de · · Score: 0

      "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"

      Should read

      "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens"

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    7. Re:My direct experience... by rah1420 · · Score: 1

      I've had this argument before. Your phrase has 55 hits in Google. The way I wrote it has 10,000.

      Can you explain why?

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    8. Re:My direct experience... by magerquark.de · · Score: 1

      Maybe because "stupidity wins"? ;-)

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    9. Re:My direct experience... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Was this technology on display in the museum, or was it being used in day-to-day museum business?

      The latter.

      -b.

    10. Re:My direct experience... by allanc · · Score: 1

      Were these machines Macs? If so, sounds like LocalTalk (although they're connected to RS422 serial ports, not parallel ports. Though I do recall there were some vendors who sold little boxes to connect PCs up to a LocalTalk network that plugged into the parallel port, so that might have been that)

    11. Re:My direct experience... by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Funny

      conslutant

      Possibly one of the best typos ever.

    12. Re:My direct experience... by w9wi · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised this worked at all.

      I work evening shift - I don't report to work until 2pm.

      One morning, an important manager decided to redo her office, moving her desk to the other side. The patch cord for her Ethernet connection was too short. They couldn't wait for 2:00 when I came in. (and apparently didn't bother trying to contact me at home)

      So the tech who moved her decided to splice in some more cable. He didn't know how to crimp on RJ-45 plugs, but he found a length of cable that already had a RJ-45 on it. He lopped the connector off the other end and spliced it to the existing patch cord with "Dolphin" splices.

      It actually would have worked, except...

      that the length he found with the RJ-45 already installed was silver satin. There was only about ten feet of it, but it killed her circuit *DEAD*. No connection whatsoever at any speed. It was pinned properly - the tester we had at the time (which only checked continuity) said the cable was OK - but it sure didn't pass even 10MHz...

    13. Re:My direct experience... by Jeff+Kelly · · Score: 1

      Because yours is the correct citation. The quote is from a very famous german author named Friedrich Schiller. From Johanna von Orleans.

    14. Re:My direct experience... by rah1420 · · Score: 1

      Except that it wasn't a typo. Working with them now. Will companies never learn?

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      Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
  26. Unsynchronized air conditioners by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many computer rooms have packaged units which both heat and cool, and some also both humidify and dehumidify. That's fine if you only have one. If you have more than one, they need to be interlocked so you don't get one cooling while another is heating, or one humidifying while another is dehumidifying. If you get into that situation, everything will seem to be just fine, but your energy bills will be maybe 5x what they should be.

    Saw that situation in a server room at Stanford a few years ago.

    1. Re:Unsynchronized air conditioners by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

      You could have a nice sideline there, taking bets on the battle royale between humidifier and dehumidifier.

    2. Re:Unsynchronized air conditioners by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      That's what I've got in my office. An AC unit that can provide hot air as well as cold, plus a series of hot water radiators. The AC and radiators are controlled by separate systems. The first indication that something's wrong is the burning smell of overheated radiators.
      Also, the radiators are controlled by a "thermostat" that completely ignores the temperature in the building, and controls the water heater based solely on the outside temperature. A braindead design that ensures we've got to manually adjust temperature settings several times a day, more frequently when the sun is out. Oh, and the AC ducting doesn't ventilate to the outside, and the air circulation it sets up is pathethic enough to allow 5-degree C temperature differentials in a room that's about 8x8 m.

  27. Stupid IT maneuvers by ximenes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a bunch of stupid cobbled together setups to talk about. It all comes from a combination of poor IT staff at university wages, infintessimal budgets and the overbearing institutional and faculty pressures.

    1. A "server room" that was essentially the most worthless room in the entire building, a long skinny room with four windows (perfect for keeping an uneven temperature!). Rather than buy 19" racks or even wire racks, they found a bunch of tables and put one server on each all the way around the edge of the room.
    1.a. All of the servers were in fact desktop systems; an Ultra 1 was the mail server, a SPARCstation 5 the print server, a Gateway Pentium Pro 200 desktop the web server, etc.

    2. A lab had to be moved one room over, because its current location was deemed too valuable. The original room was designed for a lab, it had 20+ fiber optic networking ports, twist-lock power connections in the ceiling, that sort of thing. The new room had two electrical outlets, no dropped ceiling, and one fiber optic networking port. It had previously been used as a copy room/storage closet. The cost to move the fiber optic wiring (just one room over mind you!) was over $25,000.

    So instead, I had the great idea to cut a hole in the common wall (above the drop ceiling line), purchase additional ceiling tiles and cut up 2x4's into wooden supports. The original ceiling boxes containing the networking were put on top of the blocks above the new tiles, and extension cables run through the wall into the new room. In the original room, which was turned into a lounge, you couldn't tell that there was anything funny going on.

    The best part is that the lab manager, who insisted they needed every single network port, never used a single one of them in the new room. All of those cables now reside in a box marked "Giant waste of money".

    3. The main Windows file server was purchased in 2002 and has an internal RAID (bad idea in my opinion). What was huge then is worthless now; 5 disks that total 135GB. To get more space, the administration begged for a single external 250GB USB drive to host all user data. Nevermind that there is no redundancy, that an external drive is more suspectible to theft or failure, and that USB is unnecessarily slowing things down.

    4. A system administrator got it into his head that rackmounting was the way to go (I agree). So he begged for a 19" rack to be ordered, and placed all of his servers into it. Except he doesn't have a single rack mountable server, and he didn't get the rails for any of the cases either. So now he has one $500 rack, and 8 $100 shelves to go in it. Same guy also switched the KVM monitor to a 15" LCD that doesn't support the resolutions of 9 out of 10 systems connected to it.

    5. A consultant was brought in to tell us what needed to be done with the computing infrastructure (what DOESN'T need to be done is more the question). His main suggestion was to set up a central backup service just for this college, so as to avoid paying the central university IT group fees to use their central service. OK, thats an idea I guess... except that he wanted us to buy this: http://www.sun.com/storagetek/tape_storage/tape_li braries/sl8500/ (its $200,000). Luckily this one didn't actually come to pass.

    Basically every day is a new adventure in ridiculous IT methodology.

    1. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by ximenes · · Score: 1

      I totally forgot one of the best things. We used to call this "Ozsoyogluing" a machine, based on the person responsible's name.

      Take 5 workstations spread in various offices. Each one has a 5-10GB drive (this was 5-6 years ago) and runs Solaris. Each one has a few gigs of space left over after the OS install, and since you can't possibly let that go to waste, you have the other four NFS mount from it. Repeat for each workstation.

      You cannot boot a Solaris system (of this vintage) with NFS mounts if those mounts are unavailable. If a Solaris system with NFS mounts is online and one of those mounts goes away, it becomes very unhappy. So you see, this method means that none of those five workstations can ever be rebooted without an incredible headache. Any networking problem on any one of them becomes a problem on all of them. A total disaster, and all to get at that sweet 1-2GB of extra space.

    2. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original room was designed for a lab, it had 20+ fiber optic networking ports Really? 20 Fibre ports? Did they outline the room? With the fibre connections and no RJ45?

      So instead, I had the great idea to cut a hole in the common wall (above the drop ceiling line), purchase additional ceiling tiles and cut up 2x4's into wooden supports. Jesus... I don't know about there, but where I work I demand a higher standard than that.
    3. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by archen · · Score: 1

      4. A system administrator got it into his head that rackmounting was the way to go (I agree). So he begged for a 19" rack to be ordered, and placed all of his servers into it. Except he doesn't have a single rack mountable server, and he didn't get the rails for any of the cases either. So now he has one $500 rack, and 8 $100 shelves to go in it.

      Heh, been there myself actually. I was hired as the "computer guy" for a business that had no IT person period, just some contractor who would come in every few months. Our business was growing so we added a new server every 2-3 months. But none of them were rack mountable. I said over and over that we should go to rack mounting, but we had no rack mountable servers, so it was a catch 22. Eventually I said screw it and got the 19' rack anyway and a bunch of shelves. I then had ONE rack mountable server in the rack. Time has gone on, but I still have two ATX cases on their side in the rack.

    4. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by Tyrdium · · Score: 1

      Not to mention our love of Oracle products. Or the fact that the engineering department is paying for everyone to print in Nord lab. Or the plasma screens displaying mostly static content, powered by dedicated boxes with display software that runs on top of Internet Explorer (which is thankfully in the process of being replaced).
       
      - jxr150

    5. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? 20 Fibre ports? Did they outline the room? With the fibre connections and no RJ45? Oh, there are RJ45 connections (one per faceplate) - but they're for phone. Initially, RJ11, but more recently, now VoIP.

      The newer faceplates now (within 2-3 years) do have RJ45 for network - but upgrade costs are generally preventative.

      - a former student employee in ximenes department
    6. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by ximenes · · Score: 1

      Really? 20 Fibre ports? Did they outline the room? With the fibre connections and no RJ45? Yes, they were ceiling mounted and one per system. Thats just the way things roll at this place.

      So instead, I had the great idea to cut a hole in the common wall (above the drop ceiling line), purchase additional ceiling tiles and cut up 2x4's into wooden supports. Jesus... I don't know about there, but where I work I demand a higher standard than that. I freely admit that it was stupid (see the subject of my post), but given that the lab must be pointlessly moved and that there was no money for the networking costs central IT wanted to impose, it was unfortunately the only viable option.

      I'd say it was a lot better than throwing my hands up and saying it can't be done, but the fundamental problem is that the solution had to be sought at all. Why move a lab from a room designed to house a lab to a broom closet? Why does central IT just throw out random ridiculous figures and expect departments to cough it up on demand (no ones budget has an extra $20,000 just for asking!)? Why do lab managers claim they need things that they don't really need? Why does everyone have to be such a separatist and refuse to work together, despite all working at the same company?
    7. Re:Stupid IT maneuvers by ximenes · · Score: 1

      Not to mention our love of Oracle products. Or the fact that the engineering department is paying for everyone to print in Nord lab. Or the plasma screens displaying mostly static content, powered by dedicated boxes with display software that runs on top of Internet Explorer (which is thankfully in the process of being replaced).
       
      - jxr150 Our love of Oracle is a great example of how people will just go with whoever is "the name of the week". Oracle is the big name, so we have to use every single one of their products. Nevermind that their calendaring software is basically the worst ever made. Nevermind that their portal software is completely worthless. And so on. Shockingly there is only a small contingent in central IT who lust after everything Oracle related, but as you see it has devasting repurcussions for the entire university.

      More or less free printing, on the other hand, is something that I personally pushed the Nord Lab manager for. It fills a student need, so thats all I needed to hear; the money side of things is someone elses problem luckily for me.

      Plasma screens: waste of money.
  28. hacks? by robpoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heck, feel glad that the "U Bend" (a.k.a. trap) had a water faucet. when maintenance boxed in our sink they took off the spigots off the mop sink, but left the drain functional. Then they boxed it in plywood. After the A/C was installed (and had dehumidified the room) - and the building's humidified air was shut off to the room .. no more humidity for us, and the drain dried out.

    Hmmm .. ugly hacks?

    How about a Netware 3.x server stuck in a closet between two 10base2 (coax) runs, connecting one segment with another (glorified IPX router).

    How about a 395 foot run of BNC ... that someone stuck a 10base-T hub on at 200 feet (give or take) because the hub actually strengthened the signal? Then they filled the hub with 8 10baseT computers..

    How about a 450 foot run of BNC with old, frayed screw on ends. That ohmed out at about 76 ohms. And they wondered why the network was slow.. (I re-crimped all the ends and cut the wire approximately in half, and used a second NIC in the seerver). In that same place, one of the workers figured out that if they took one of the BNC connectors off the T in the back of the PC, the network would go down and they could just sit there and do nothing...

    The company that had a 1000 foot run, so instead of buying ARCNet wire .. they put in BNC .. then ran ARCNet over it (averaged about 300kbit/sec). Then complained it was too slow (well no kidding!!)

    The BNC wire I saw that someone had repaired with a paper clip and electrical tape ... after they'd sliced through it moving office furniture ... (yeah, it kinda worked)..

    And we won't even talk about how many networks I ran into that looked like

    Server ----- hub ----- hub ----- hub ----- hub

    and they wondered why the people on the 4th hub would lose server connections randomly..

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    = Grow a brain...
    1. Re:hacks? by abb3w · · Score: 1

      The company that had a 1000 foot run, so instead of buying ARCNet wire .. they put in BNC .. then ran ARCNet over it (averaged about 300kbit/sec). Then complained it was too slow (well no kidding!!)

      Back when I was taking networking classes, one of the instructors swore that at one job he and his fellow techs (as a silly "I wonder..." stunt) switched the ARCNet wire for a bunch of short (~3m) runs with paperclip chains. Worked just fine. He felt that this kind of resilience was the only reason for anyone to ever have considered using ARCNet for anything.

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      //Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
    2. Re:hacks? by amcdiarmid · · Score: 1

      Did you work in a Atlantic City Trump Casino?

    3. Re:hacks? by Megane · · Score: 1

      How about a 450 foot run of BNC with old, frayed screw on ends. That ohmed out at about 76 ohms. And they wondered why the network was slow..

      How about trying to set up a brand new 10Base-2 network, going to the local electronics store to get some cables and terminators, taking all day to figure out why it didn't work (just one specific NIC card would work with a T and both terminators attached), then finding out that all the 50-ohm terminators at the store were really mis-labeled 75-ohm terminators? Good thing I saw the ohmmeter on their sales desk and made a quick check.

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    4. Re:hacks? by pigwin32 · · Score: 1

      Quite a few years back one of the mainframe operators here was upset that his television reception wasn't too great. He noticed how similar the 10Base5 connector was to the coax aerial socket on the TV. So after unplugging the network and trying but failing to join the cable to the tv he just left the cable dangling. It took a week for the IT staff with the help of some consultants to track down why the network was hosed. These days the tv reception isn't really an issue, there's no tv.

    5. Re:hacks? by robpoe · · Score: 1

      We had a diagnostic device that you hooked to it .. and it would tell you where in the line the break was (i.e. how many feet).

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    6. Re:hacks? by julesh · · Score: 1

      And we won't even talk about how many networks I ran into that looked like

      Server ----- hub ----- hub ----- hub ----- hub

      and they wondered why the people on the 4th hub would lose server connections random


      The problem there is the hub manufacturers who stick a switchable crossover into one of the ports of the hub and put in the instructions that you can daisychain it to another hub by plugging it in to one of those ports and flicking the switch. Reading that, you'd have no clue that there's any potential issue.

  29. 2 SUNs == remote control by darkonc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    With our company was based in Vancouver, we determined that we could get much better bandwidth charges in Seattle, so most of our live servers were there. Two of our larger machines were SUN 450 boxes (bought because, back then, Oracle didn't have full support for Linux). After I set them up, we pulled out the graphics cards that they came with and shipped the cards and monitors back the Vancouver (they were part of the bundle). Then I connected the two machines with null modem cables, Port A - Port B. and Port B to Port A.

    Once the graphics cards were removed, the machines defaulted to booting with Serial consoles. This meant that if anything went seriously wrong, just about anything other than hardware maintenance could be done by SSHing to machine X and using a terminal program to connect to the console port of machine Y (or vice versa).
    This included the ability to do a complete wipe and install, needing only to instruct the CoLo staff to insert the install CD (which were left on top of the machines) into the appropriate box.

    One of the monitors ended up on my desk. I can't remember who got the other one.

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    1. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      Seriousy, for two servers I wouldn't consider this a hack but good practice.

      It's a hack when you have more than two servers and are still
      too penurious to buy a friggin terminal server.

    2. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by Dom2 · · Score: 1

      This is really just good practise. If you have to move from your workstation to admin a machine, then it had better be on fire or something. It still surprises me to see quite how incapable most PC type servers are (in terms of remote management), after working for years on Sun equipment.

      Even getting people to install a CD shouldn't be necessary. Get JumpStart set up, and boot from the network. This reduces your hosting support people to "reboot computer" tasks, which even they should be capable of.

      -Dom

    3. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by puhuri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For a temporary installation we had bunch of PC computers installed on a remote location. Those were controlled normally over ethernet connection, but I decided to run serial cables between them in case something odd happens with management port, like running ifdown for a wrong interface. It was a cheap insurance, and if I recall right, it did save one 1500 km trip.

      About wrong installations, I remember that when one designed thin ethernet cabeling, they did not remember to take into account cables between wall socket and computers: it easily add 10 meters for each desk PC. Thus if you originally were in limits (185 meters), after some years your network segment was 350 meters and had strange network problems on some hosts.

    4. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dunno, not so sure that it's good practice - if someone has managed to 0wn one of those boxes, he could write an nvramrc script that would seriously mess up the other one and make it very hard to diagnose. Not saying that a remotely accessible terminal server doesn't also have this problem, but you can at least put that on a separate network, with separate access rights.

    5. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by fkicker · · Score: 1

      Funny, I did the same thing three bunch of sparc 10's that were in a colo across town. Machine one was console of machine two, which was console of machine three, which was console of machine one.

      Worked great until I went on vacation and a process on the first machine hung. The stand-in admin called the colo and had the machine power-cycled. The power-cycled machine sent a STOP-A request over serial port to the console of the other machine. The STOP-A request dropped the next machine into boot monitor mode. The stand-in admin then had the second machine power-cycled which caused the third machine to drop. Power-cycling the third machine caused the first to drop again.

      The stand-in admin was sure that I'd set it up as a practical joke.

    6. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      You are right if the server belongs to different realms (or even different customers).
      I was assuming that both servers were part of the same setup, i.e. webserver and db server.

      In such a setup the machines usually need to trust each other anyways to a degree that
      it becomes nearly impossible to "insulate" them from each other.
      In that latter scenario an addtl serial link doesn't take away any security.

      Ofcourse one should *never* wire up two servers of distinct customers that way! ;-)

    7. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 1

      Hope you disabled console BREAK on those boxes. :)

    8. Re:2 SUNs == remote control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch. Don't do that.

      Because Suns fall into the prom if the serial console is active, and you send a break to the serial console. If you reboot one machine, the other might interpret that as a break and stop. If the rebooting machine doesn't come back up, you are hosed (because you don't have a machine left to use as serial console.)

      At the very least set kbd_alternate (so it uses a different code for entering the prom., Enter, ~, Ctrl-B.) This is available from Solaris 8 onwards, I think.

      felix.

  30. Email limits by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    I don't think I've ever hit a limit on single SMTP attachment size unless sending to freebie providers (Hotmail, Yahoo, etc). Although I'll admit that if I want to send a large file to more than one person, I'll usually put it up on a server somewhere and send a link instead of forcing the file upon the recipients; and most of my dealings with emailing insanely large files (sometimes into the gigabyte range) have been in enterprise environments run by competent admins.

    I do run into "quota exceeded" from time to time. This happens less and less frequently, though, particularly with even the free services constantly trying to one-up each other. My Gmail account says I've got 2801 megs of storage, which is far more than I'll ever use, but I imagine they'd give it to me if someone sent me that much.

    You've got me trying to tease a long-dead part of my brain that wants to remember what the upper boundaries were on AOL back in the day, 1994 or 1995. They implemented quotas in a unique manner. I want to say that your mailbox could hold a maximum of 550 messages, 1100 if you worked for them, regardless of the message size. Their attachment limit was 16 megs, I think; this would have been nearly unheard of at the time with the exception of all the warez traffic.

    Anyone out there remember the details more clearly than I do? We're talking 12 years ago, and sometimes I'm fortunate to remember 12 days ago...

    --
    Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
    1. Re:Email limits by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah I remember. I believe you nailed the numbers right on the spot. Man was that an awesome way to get warez or what?! All those 'proggies' (FateX I will always remember) to shuffle the emails around and around and serve your fellow brother with whatever he wanted instantaneously. Those were good times. But some of the chats were pretty hard to get into, which created the necessity for the chat breakers. I remember a program that tried thousands of times in just under a minute to get into a channel.

      I can't believe AOL let all that run as long as it did. I did it for a couple years at least...

      Good times. :P

      --

      You're nothing; like me.
    2. Re:Email limits by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      Even back in 1995, 16MB e-mail attachments were hardly "unheard of"... I worked for a multimedia company at the time and we regularly e-mailed around enormous files. A good friend of mine has a GIS business and his files are truly enormous -- extremely high res aerial photography regularly yields individual files in the 50GB range.

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      Slashdot quality declines as the number of hot grits posts decreases. - Provolt's Law, Apr-09-2005

  31. TV in disguise by smurfsurf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I and a few guys were doing customer phone support in a remote building (ten years ago or such some). Soccer euro cup was up, and a collegue was desperate to find a way to watch the games, as the company (ISP) has just started operation, and callers were few and knowledable (so it was actually fun). Opening the cable funnel, he saw a TV cable. He spliced it up and connected it to a RJ45 jack. He then installed a TV tuner card into his PC, build a network cable look-alike to connect the TV card to the fake network jack, and voila - you could not see he was tapping the TV signal (the cable funnel was very visible, the computer was under the desk).

    As we left the building about a year later, the fake jack was left there. I wonder what kind of head scratching this caused for the future tenants :-)

    1. Re:TV in disguise by markwalling · · Score: 1

      while i see where you are comming from, he was taping a cable in his office building, a cable that was connected legally to the cable company, not tapping off the utility pole.

      --
      ...For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
  32. AC Guys Using A Garden Hose... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    The AC guys were fixing the unit on top of the building. They ran a garden hose through the overhead space above the IT department to pump green coolant fluid from one unit to another. The IT director heard a loud rumbling above his work area and evacuated from the area. The garden hose exploded. Coolant fluid broke through the ceiling panel to soak the 19-inch CRT monitor. That was a mess.

    1. Re:AC Guys Using A Garden Hose... by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it was the old CFC-based stuff, at least it was neither electrically conductive nor inflammable .....

      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
  33. Slow boat to the Internet Highway by darkonc · · Score: 1

    When I worked for one ISP, the main servers were connected to the internet via a stack of OC-3 links, but the building where all of the admins, support people, etc worked (3 floors of a decent-sized office building) was served by a single T-1 line. The ADSL link that one of our technical support people had on a test bench (it was for testing, so we couldn't route general traffic over it) turned out to be much faster than the link that the rest of the building shared.

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    1. Re:Slow boat to the Internet Highway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slow down asshat! It would be nice to read someone else's input not just yours.

  34. quick, not so dirty... but quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The PR firm I worked for had a 66mhz 486 box with 24mb of RAM... this computer was running NAT, mail server and web server on Linux. It ran adequately, 24x7 for probably four years until a hardware failure. Suddenly there was no network, mail or web server.

    There was an identical PC chassis collecting dust... I took that, installed the impressive quantity of 72 mb of RAM in it (maxed!), a new drive; two identical Ethernet cards; installed NetMax "firewall in a box" on it; transferred e-mail and web service to a vendor we were working with (the other unsung heroes of the story) and in about 72 hours after propagation, all was well. Total expenditure on this "rescue" was about $250.

    This day-and-night effort to put the network back on its feet earned me the undying skepticism of the CEO, who postulated that I had somehow caused the old setup to fail in order to justify new purchases. So it sometimes goes. YMMV...

  35. 300 wires with a conduit sawed off-cutups. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You do know that that grommet is to keep the sharp edges of the case from cutting into the cable?

    1. Re:300 wires with a conduit sawed off-cutups. by redcane · · Score: 1

      Only useful if the cable runs where it could be in contact with said sharp edges. I imagine the hole they put the patch panel in through is far enough from sharp edges.

  36. collision detection? by trb · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the early 80's, I was working for a company that did lots of its own kernel hacking on UNIX and VMS systems. They had a habit of implementing lots of their own software systems, rather than using standard ones. Some were not very clever. For instance, they had a communication "protocol" that ran over ethernet cable, but it didn't handle collisions. Yes, we had thick ethernet running to every office, and when anyone wanted to use it, they'd run out in the hall and yell to make sure it wasn't in use. If there was contention, data would be corrupted. Eventually, we punted on this stupidity and used TCP/IP.

    1. Re:collision detection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I call bullshit. IP doesn't do collision detection, so that change wouldn't have helped much at all; moreover, to have no collision detection before that change would have required building your own tranceivers.

    2. Re:collision detection? by Tore+S+B · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uhm, that's on a completely different layer, buddy. The ethernet card driver itself handles the collisions.

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      toresbe
    3. Re:collision detection? by LittleBigLui · · Score: 4, Funny

      so your interpretation of CSMA/CD = Constant Shouting Might Allow Copying Data

      --
      Free as in mason.
    4. Re:collision detection? by trb · · Score: 1
      I call bullshit. IP doesn't do collision detection, so that change wouldn't have helped much at all; moreover, to have no collision detection before that change would have required building your own tranceivers.
      I'm not a net hacker and I don't know the implementation details of that old net system. So I can't defend my claim about the cause of the corruption being collisons, with full confidence. But I am certain that we had a home-brewed non-TCP/IP protocol running on our ethernet cable, and if more than one person used it at a time, transfers were corrupted. The transceivers, which were boxes outside the computers attached to the cable with stinger/vampire taps, may have been doing collision detection, or maybe not.

      If you weren't careful about the spacing between taps, other users might not see you on the net. The spacing problem was true of all thicknet, but the one-at-a-time problem was peculiar to our software implementation.

    5. Re:collision detection? by zjbs14 · · Score: 1

      It probably wasn't collisions at the physical layer, but probably due to whatever protocol having no targeted adressing. It may have just been sending broadcast packets and if they were received out of sequence or interleaved with packets from another computer, things went bad.

      --
      No sig, sorry.
    6. Re:collision detection? by greed · · Score: 1

      Or the protocol not paying attention to (or having) packet sequence numbers. As a result, dropped frames due to collisions, timeouts, and other issues wouldn't get re-sent. And you can do that with IP, too; just not TCP.

      Compare NFS over UDP performance with 32K blocks and 5% packet loss. Carrying floppy disks around the building would be faster....

    7. Re:collision detection? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      The chemistry building at my university had a similar setup, except for phones (this was not only before computers and networking, it was before phone systems got extended to every room).

      The building was L-shaped, with 3 floors and a basement, with the main office along the short leg and the stairwell at the top of the long leg. There were only two phones in the building -- one in the main office, and an extension in a professor's office on the 2nd floor (about the middle of the long leg of the L). The building had no intercom.

      When a call came into the main office, the standard method of paging someone upstairs was to relay the call to the 2nd floor extension, then whoever answered would hike to the stairwell, stick their head in, and YELL. Eventually someone upstairs would hear the racket and relay the YELL to whoever was being paged.

      It typically took about 15 minutes from the time a call was answered, til when the desired party was located and had tramped down to the extension to take the call.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    8. Re:collision detection? by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      Actually in the thicknet days many people did build their own xcvrs (and admittedly their own protocols too, e.g. Chaosnet, PUP, . Certainly every place I worked did....but if my creaky memory is correct all the ones I used the same layer 0 protocol as PUP originally did (i.e. "ethernet").

      I have a vampire tap and thicknet transceiver in a box someplace, and it was definitely handmade and clearly not a prototype.

    9. Re:collision detection? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Yeah, maybe now. This was 20 years ago.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  37. bad ethernet habits die hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A small business asked me to help them with their reliability problems. The company had been there for 20 years and the cabling for about 6 workstations and 4 or 5 big production printers consisted of premade cables tacked on the walls and ceiling, and one or more ancient efforts by electricians. There were serveral 10/100 hubs to extend the distance or 'multiplex' a single cable back to the internet connection. I went in several times to plug power into hubs, or pull cable out of a doorframe where it was being pinched. It was apparent that the main issue was this messy, poorly designed cable infrastructure.

    So I got a data cable guy in to quote a clean installation-- home runs back to a single switch, cable in conduit, all clean and reliable. It was a few thousand dollars.

    The owner decided it was too much $$, so he got an electrician to do it and now he has 3 more switches and even fewer home runs than he had before. But it's now Cat6, so he somehow thinks it's better.

    I've already been back to troubleshoot... bad cabling.

  38. Redneck Network Alarms by mkcmkc · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Very Large Telecom Corp(TM) had let a contract for a hardware subsystem that was to be connected to their very expensive network monitoring system (probably HP Openview). Anyway, the vendor couldn't quit make this work. So, to satisfy the contract, they had a tape monkey with a laptop in the NOC. Whenever an event happened on the subsystem, he'd manually copy the message into a dialog box on the master monitoring system, at which point it'd pop up on the regular NOC alarm system...

    --
    "Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
    1. Re:Redneck Network Alarms by MyHair · · Score: 1

      Inversely, I set up Nessus to scan for vulnerabilities on my network. The scan crashed both nodes of my NetWare cluster as it turned out there was a TCP connection problem that needed patching...too many connections created by the Nessus scan crashed the boxes. I patched the servers but didn't try Nessus again.

  39. Sprinklers from hell by plopez · · Score: 4, Funny

    This happened just this past year.

    We had moved into larger building with a server room in the basemnent (cue ominous music).

    We rapidly began to run out of space so decided to place the chief sysape in the basement near the servers, which made sense. We cleaned up some items in the basement, moved them into storage, carpeted, dry walled etc. Since it was in the basement it needed an egress window with a steel casing and ladder. This actually turned the office into a nice garden level. You could look out the window and watch the sprinklers, see trees and grass etc.

    On day, the chief sysape comes in and notices water on the floor. He looks over at the egress window and there is about 2 feet of water collected in the base of the exit well.

    Well, they shut down the water to the entire building. Luckily the server room actually had about an 18 inch raised floor, so no damage.

    To make a long story short, upon investigation it turned out that when the sprinkler system was installed, instead of capping off the ends of the plastic piping, they folded it over and crimped it. They relied on the mass of the dirt to keep the ends crimped, and for years it worked. Until the egress well was installed and the dirt was disturbed. Once it was disturbed, the crimps began to fail under water pressure. Leading to a near IT disaster.

    --
    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
    1. Re:Sprinklers from hell by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

      This happens occasionally. My plumber friend assures me it's not standard practice to crimp off pipes, but some folks will do however poor a job they can get away with. Since the problem usually shows up years later, as in your case, I doubt they're ever taken to task.

    2. Re:Sprinklers from hell by afidel · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine had a similar incident. He worked in the datacenter of a large bank. When the telco came to run new fibre into the building they put the fibre in the conduit, stuck in a a plug and blew it in. Only problem was they hadn't checked the conduit as per procedure. The conduit went under the subbasement and was full of water. They had thousands of gallons of water pushed into the under floor space, to the point where tiles floated. The amazing thing is nothing major shorted out, including a large chassis based Cisco switch (think 4500 series) which was mostly under the tile floor, luckily the power supplies were on the top! Needless to say they implemented their DR strategy that day =)

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    3. Re:Sprinklers from hell by greed · · Score: 1

      Surprisingly, every now and then, incompetent installers are found, and all their work gets inspected.

      Makes you wonder how many people get blown off by the help desk when they complain about signal quality when there really is a systemic installation problem in the area.

  40. power outages by Dr_Art · · Score: 1

    I once worked on a project where we were developing a new telecom product. Our development servers and source code repository were in a lab with no uninterruptable power supplies (UPS's). We kept having our servers rebooting at odd hours. Then we found out that the cleaning crew was using portable "backpack" vacuum cleaners. They would plug into a wall outlet that was on the same breaker as our lab. When the breaker popped, they would reset it, and continue cleaning. There was a tape backup to preserve our source code, but unfortunately the backup was bigger than our tape, so the backups kept failing silently. We requisitioned some UPS's, and they kept failing. We found out later that the IT guys had inventoried some bad UPS's and those were the ones we got. This was the same project where I had to go to the PC graveyard and scavenge parts to build our production servers. Serious hackage, but a pretty fun project to work on...

  41. Crap "servers" overheating? Rig some crap cooling by Frater+219 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My first job was for a small -- very small -- college. The IT department didn't have money for things like proper servers. We had cheap-ass desktop PCs stuck on a shelf in the one air-conditioned room in the office. Most of them, we built ourselves from the cheapest parts we could find -- usually, the corpses of broken workstations. The really important servers even had a UPS.

    The machine with the user accounts on it had a few more hot, high-speed disks than the case was really designed to keep cool. It got hot and beeped. My boss wouldn't consider replacing it or even getting a new case. So I was forced to improvise: I cut a hole in the front panel and fitted a spare case fan into it. Then I realized that the motherboard didn't have another power connector for the case fan ... but I had a spare 5V wall-wart. A little wire-cutting and electrical-taping later, I had an externally cooled disk bay.

    That "machine room" sucked. It was in the corner of the basement of a college office building. In the winter, the (crappy, household-type) AC unit iced over and the servers overheated. One summer, the facilities staff decided to power-wash the wood siding of the building. High-pressure water ran up through the wall and rained down right onto the server shelf. The only thing that blew up was the fancy new monitor that had come with the expensive and utterly overpowered RS/6000 just purchased by the library.

    A couple of years ago when I visited the campus, they were still using that wall-wart-powered fan to cool the disks ....

  42. Network closet A/C suction by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Network closet shared with an A/C unit. First time I went in there, I couldn't open the door - I had to force it and it opened with a hiss. Turns out that the A/C system was installed without return ductwork and was sucking all of its intake air through a window that was open approximately two inches.

    -b.

  43. Newb Haxx by NotoriousHood · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I started working at the school where I still work we were in two separate office buildings separated by more than 100m. I eventually ran coax through the wall via a light fixture, along a fence for about 100 feet into a tree to the roof (where it was held down by a sack of river rocks attached to some plywood) over the roof down a rain gutter and under the door. The building landlord was actually ok with this setup. It was mostly hidden except for the hop from the building to the fence and the whole tree to roof span.

    1. Re:Newb Haxx by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1
      When I started working at the school where I still work we were in two separate office buildings separated by more than 100m. I eventually ran coax...

      This makes a -very- effective lightning distribution system if there happens to be a strike nearby <shudder>

      --
      A house divided against itself cannot stand.
    2. Re:Newb Haxx by fkicker · · Score: 1

      It's also possible for two different buildings to have a voltage difference between ground (I know sounds weird). The voltage difference can cause current to actually run from one building to another through the neutral wire in the ethernet cable. Usually the currents are pretty small but they can vary wildly.

      I know this because I had the unfortunate luck to work in a building where the co-location room had more than one grounding point. The computers were connected to one while the phone switch was connected to another. A serial cable connected the phone switch to voice mail running on a server. It worked great until a new UPS was installed that dumped excess voltage to ground at startup. Blew out the server, chared the serial cable, and blew out a card in the switch (30K in all)

    3. Re:Newb Haxx by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1
      It's also possible for two different buildings to have a voltage difference between ground (I know sounds weird). The voltage difference can cause current to actually run from one building to another through the neutral wire in the ethernet cable.

      Now that you mention it, I saw this happen in the same room.

      One workstation, one server (this was back in the Novell 2.x days), and a solid 10 volts of ground difference that kept bringing the "network" down. I guess they were on different circuits, the building was built in WWII.

      --
      A house divided against itself cannot stand.
  44. Sodomized service by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    The fire marshall came in and said "you can't have those low-voltage wires run through that conduit, that conduit is designed for high voltage wiring."

    Better than what a certain electrician did in an office that was being renovated. The Ethernet wiring was already installed. He decided, for some reason known only to himself, to pull BX cable (the heavy, metal-armored electrical cable) through the same conduits and cable grommets as the Ethernet cabling. Sans lube. Needless to say that a lot of new Ethernet cable got pulled to replace the sliced up cables! (He also had actually removed some cable grommets where the cabling went through studs to make more room for the BX cable since he was too freakin' lazy to drill extra holes!)

    -b.

    1. Re:Sodomized service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      He decided, for some reason known only to himself, to pull BX cable (the heavy, metal-armored electrical cable) through the same conduits and cable grommets as the Ethernet cabling. Sans lube. At the very least, I hope he had the common decency to give the ethernet cable a quick reach-around.
    2. Re:Sodomized service by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      At my former job we used fibre cable under major roads to link CCTV cameras to our control room environment. One day a road worker drilled down into the road with some sort of hole digger and wrapped 100 metres of fibre around his machine, exactly like rolling pasta around a fork.

    3. Re:Sodomized service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The same thing happened lots of times when I was working for an ISP that exploited fibers running alongside roads and railways.
      But what surprised me most was when the same thing happened due to people *stealing* fibers along the road: they would spot a maintenance trap along the highway, cut the fiber here, drive some miles ahead to the next trap and fetch miles of fibers to go !

    4. Re:Sodomized service by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Last summer I worked for the local phone company. The city was busy with a significant road infrastructure upgrade in the middle of downtown, about two blocks from our main exchange building. Some asshat with a directional drill decided to not look up where the utilities ran, and bored a hole straight through a 3600 pair cable. Carried on this cable were most of the businesses downtown, a lot of residential customers, and to top it off, one of our competitor's cellular service's connection to our exchange. So, we had businesses potentially losing money (and blaming us), customers unable to dial 911 if need be, a competetor complaining to the CRTC, and a week's worth of overtime to pay to cablemen to fix this mess. But I did learn a lot about how the cables ran and how to identify them leaving the MDF. Kind of neat for me, but not so good for the company or the city.

      --
      God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
    5. Re:Sodomized service by Psyberian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome to my world. I work for a CLEC/ISP with coverage throughout Oregon. In the last year no less then three times have construction crews drilled through massive cables in three difference cities. The best was when they pull the spegetti fork type pull, under a major highway. It took them three days to get it all fixed. The problem with that mess is they just can't splice the wire together but need to replace meters of cable under asphalt.

      If you ever want to find some buried fiber in Oregon just put a backhoe in a field. When you check it in the morning it will be pointed to the neared fiber.

    6. Re:Sodomized service by plover · · Score: 1
      What's the one piece of survival gear you should always have with you in case you get shipwrecked near a deserted island, or if your plane should crash in the mountains?

      A piece of fiber.

      Once you realize you are stranded, just take the fiber from your pocket, bury it in the nearest dirt, and wait an afternoon. Some guy with a backhoe will be around to sever it, and just ask him to rescue you.

      --
      John
    7. Re:Sodomized service by matguy · · Score: 1

      I've been told that it's often cheaper for the construction companies to ignore the cable plans if they're low voltage cables and just go about their work and pay the fines. Now, I could be wrong and feel free to correct me, but I've heard that the added cost of working around the cables and planning around the burrocracy of some Telecom companies can cost well past the cost of the fines levied to the construction company for breaking the lines. Plus, it's not their customer they're affecting, if anything their customer could be happier since the job often gets done faster since it's an emergency fix now for the telco rather than an outside request that they can fill whenever they feel like it (probably pertains to road construction more than other types.)

      --

      matguy(.com)
    8. Re:Sodomized service by dadragon · · Score: 1

      That might be true. I have no idea, not my department :)

      But I do know that there's a toll free number one can call to get a free location service by the phone company, the power company, and the gas company. It's pretty easy to do things like that when all three are owned by the provincial government.

      --
      God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
    9. Re:Sodomized service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That won't work in Iowa (well, maybe it's still cheaper to cut, but not by as much at least..) If the diggers do not call the 1-call number and cut shit, they have to pay FULL replacement costs for the cable, and possibly any fees the phone/cable/power company is charged due to service level agreements. I think there's fines too, but they're probably swamped by the repair bill.. after all, if the power/cable/phone co has a choice between "fast and expensive" or "cheap", there's no reason to be cheap when someone else is footing the bill. If the digger calls 1-call and the cable/phone/power co drop the ball, that's the phone/cable/power co's problem of course.

                Bad side.. Qwest has a monopoly here, so really all there is to hit is phone, cable, power and gas.. I do not have any fiber in my area to dig through 8-(.

  45. The most messed up LAN, evar! by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 2, Funny

    OK. This was in the late nineties for a small computer hardware firm that had been in business since the '70s... but still, there was no excuse for this. It was a rambling wreck, a crazy collection of every ethernet standard implementation, and a few that were decidedly non-standard, just sort of tossed into place as time went on.

    The backbone was a five port AUI concentrator... it was too primitive to be called a hub. (AUI was Sun's insane proprietary ethernet connector.) Hanging off that was a Sun server that was shiny and new when the Soviet Union was still in the news, which was the router to the DMZ, and a media adapter for thicknet. That thumb-thick yellow cable snaked over to the engineering cubes and hardware labs, with "vampire taps" hanging off it everywhere - vampire taps have a screw that drills into the cable, which is how you hook stuff up to thicknet. No lie. These were connected to 10Base-5 thin-net adapters, which hooked up to co-ax concentrators, which hooked up to AUI media adapters which hooked up to the various Sun workstations. I had never seen before, nor have I seen since, a BNC co-ax hub used just to hook up workstations in a star topology... for whatever reason, they decided that ring topology wasn't good enough to string five lightly used workstations together. I have no idea why any of this worked. It usually didn't, and needed various pieces of arcane equipment power-cycled and jiggled and cursed at to get any data to make it from the file servers to the workstations.

    It gets worse. Another port on the AUI concentrator went to the Cabletron TPT-2 setup, which took care of accounting, sales, support and executive row. This was like 10Base-T ethernet, with a patch-panel that was wired to RJ-45 jacks in the offices and the cubes, except it was completely incompatible with 10Base-T equipment. Media adapters for all! And when one of the adapters goes down, the whole TPT-2 system locks up, a hundred or so systems. Let's play the hunt-the-locked-adapter! So much fun when the CIO is screaming at you.

    I went on vacation, and the engineers were left to figure out how to bring the network back on when one of these adapters froze. You'd think they would unplug the patch cords one at a time in the computer room until the network came back up, but no. They just remembered that I told them power cycling an adapter would usually bring it back online. So they powered down the building. Serious. They needed to reboot the building... by this time all the critical systems were on UPS, so nothing was fuxxored, but still.

    I eventually got the penny-pinchers in charge of the business to invest in nice 100B-T and 10B-T switches and AUI adapters and a few nice new Sun servers. Worked much better thereafter.

    1. Re:The most messed up LAN, evar! by Tore+S+B · · Score: 3, Informative

      The backbone was a five port AUI concentrator... it was too primitive to be called a hub. (AUI was Sun's insane proprietary ethernet connector.)

      It doesn't get more primitive than a hub. It was known as a "fanout unit" back then, though, or some other names. AUI was not Sun proprietary, it was an open standard, and for near a decade was the standard interface between a machine and the physical layer.
      a BNC co-ax hub used just to hook up workstations in a star topology... for whatever reason, they decided that ring topology wasn't good enough to string five lightly used workstations together.

      Presuming that by "ring" you mean "bus", a hubbed star-wired network is still a bus topology. Possibly they did this for reliability reasons (So that one could not just unplug ones T-joint and bring down the whole BNC loop) but that's just a guess.

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      toresbe
    2. Re:The most messed up LAN, evar! by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 1

      The years have dimmed my recollection, but you are right on all counts. The accuracy with which you describe the horror of AUI and BNC T-connectors (and terminators that always detach themselves for no good reason) indicates that you might still be living with these abominations... kill it... kill it with fire...

    3. Re:The most messed up LAN, evar! by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

      ...indicates that you might still be living with these abominations... kill it... kill it with fire...

      Hehe... I'm a computer historian, and a computer history hobbyist. :) I have more nodes on my home BNC LAN than my TP LAN! I have thicknet in my basement but I simply did not have machines spaced 1.5 meters apart in my tiny appartment. ;) Current inventory hilights are 2 PDP-11s, three VAXen, four NORD-100s (Norwegian minicomputers, lovely boxes), etc, etc.

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      toresbe
    4. Re:The most messed up LAN, evar! by RESPAWN · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of a previous place I lived. I was renting a basement with seperate entrance from a guy. I leeched off his wireless network and paid half of the internet bill in return. Anyway, on one occasion he went out of the country for three weeks. Well, on about day 3 the internet goes down. I ping the equipment and determine that I'm not getting any response from the cable modem. I was asked to feed his fish while he was gone, so I have a key to the front door. I went upstairs and spent about 10 minutes searching for the cable modem before I just said "Fuck it". I went back downstairs to my apartment, turned off the A/C and everything else that wasn't connected to a UPS, pulled down the picture that covered the fuse box for the house, and flipped the main breaker. That's right. I rebooted the entire house just to powercycle the cable modem. I was moving out the day he got back anwyay, so what did I care? >:)

      --

      If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.

    5. Re:The most messed up LAN, evar! by cthulhu11 · · Score: 0

      Thank you. When I read that insanity wrt AUI I wondered if I was missing something in what the parent poster had written. Now, what was really insane was how IBM shipped a bizarre tweaked AUI connector on at least some RS/6000's and RT's with screw terminals that didn't mate with the standard slide-locks. I had to mangle a couple of drop cables to plug into them, with very little mechanical security. Obligatory additional nightmares: A certain regional/city-scale company had a machine room on the 10th floor of a building, with no UPS or redundant power feeds. The emergency plan was that a certain employee had a generator on a trailer in his garage, and if something happened, he'd drive it over and they'd toss an extension cord out the window. The originator of a certain VAR programming language (*cough* *cough* *cough* objective-c *cough*) ran phone/modem lines over lamp cord.

    6. Re:The most messed up LAN, evar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a BNC co-ax hub used just to hook up workstations in a star topology... for whatever reason, they decided that ring topology wasn't good enough to string five lightly used workstations together.

      No, that's ARCNet. It has all the worst features of 10Base2 and 10BaseT, and in addition replaces MAC with an 8-bit node id, configurable by the user flipping dip switches on the back of the card.

  46. reboot monkey by Dr_Art · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was once working in a datacenter on a machine close to the company email servers. There's a message on the console for the email server saying that the email database was corrupted and that some utility had to be run to fix it. An IT guy walks up to the console and looks at the message. He then proceeds to reboot the server. After the reboot, the same message appears. Reboot again. Same message. Reboot again. Same message. The IT guy repeated this 10 or 15 times. Then he walked away perplexed at why the email server wasn't working.

    1. Re:reboot monkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reboot again. Same message. Reboot again. Same message. The IT guy repeated this 10 or 15 times. Then he walked away perplexed at why the email server wasn't working.

      Obviously an MCSE.

  47. Laptop mail server by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    Not a huge hack, but migration from one mail system to another in a firm I was working for took longer than expected, and we were using the same hardware for old and new. So our interim mail server was an HP laptop running Redhat and a POP3 server. It ended up serving for around a week, after which it wasn't quite the same. It had run very hot (due to lack of power management?) and possibly had gotten a bit drain-bramaged in the process.

    -b.

  48. College internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    College internet service that is 45 Mbit in to over 4000 students living on campus, over 8000 total, switched to 100 Mbit to go between academic buildings, 10 Mbit to each dorm, each dorm then has a 10 Mbit switch in it and each floor has a 10 Mbit HUB (some dorms got lucky and had theirs replaced with switches). That's right, 10 Mbit hubs! Oh, and this isn't a flashback story, this is how it is now. Plus side: They are upgrading to 90 Mbit so that students will stop complaining about the slow internet speeds. Larger plus side: That's still nothing, students will still be complaining, some of the students get 30 / 4 to themselves at home.

    1. Re:College internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I forgot to mention the CAT-3 lines from those hubs to the rooms. (that's right, the original phone lines from about 40 or more years ago, depending on the dorm... used to be two lines per room, now its 1 line 1 LAN)

  49. the L-Bend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Fill the trap with cooking oil - it will stop the smell and will not evaporate as quickly as water would."

    A good example of lateral thinking. Good thing they're cloning you. :)

    1. Re:the L-Bend by bjohnson · · Score: 1

      A good example of 'not knowing what the you're talking about' thinking, actually.

      Most municipalities would really rather you didn't dispose of used cooking oil in this fashion, because it screws up wastewater treatment plants, and, in the end, produces a solid waste that's expensive to dispose of.

      Some will fine you if they catch you doing this.

    2. Re:the L-Bend by vrmlguy · · Score: 1
      "Most municipalities would really rather you didn't dispose of used cooking oil in this fashion"

      Of course, the whole reason for using oil is that the drain is so little used that the water is evaporating. I suspect that the oil would remain in place for a long time.

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      Nothing for 6-digit uids?
  50. Poland, 1996. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    I travelled around Poland at the tender age of 17 in the mid-90s. From what I heard from my uncle who worked at Warsaw Polytechnic, the entire country had a link composed of 10 64kbps lines to the rest of Europe. And boy did it show - I had a UNIX account on NJ Superlink at the time. Whenever I telnetted to check my e-mail (t.g. for cybercafe), a keystroke would echo back to me with a lag time of 2-3 sec.

    Furthermore, a lot of the rural phone system was still very old-fashioned. A different uncle's phone # was "42" in a certain small town in the Beskidy Mountains. The exchange itself wasn't automatic - you'd pick up the phone and give the number you wanted to the operator, who'd connect you (or call you back after 5 min. if you wanted long distance).

    -b.

    1. Re:Poland, 1996. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1
      And boy did it show - I had a UNIX account on NJ Superlink at the time. Whenever I telnetted to check my e-mail (t.g. for cybercafe), a keystroke would echo back to me with a lag time of 2-3 sec.
      Not the case in Szczecin or Warszawa back then...
      The exchange itself wasn't automatic - you'd pick up the phone and give the number you wanted to the operator, who'd connect you (or call you back after 5 min. if you wanted long distance).
      When I moved to Poland, back in 1994 I think, it was all automatic (dial a number on the phone, it would connect you).
      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    2. Re:Poland, 1996. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      When I moved to Poland, back in 1994 I think, it was all automatic (dial a number on the phone, it would connect you).

      Urban exchanges were automatic. Some rural ones weren't. If you looked in the phone book, their area code was listed as a phone number in the nearest city followed by CR (Centrala Rechna - Hand Exchange).

      -b.

    3. Re:Poland, 1996. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      Rechna

      Oops, that should be *Reczna* (actually the e should have a mark below it as well).

      -b.

    4. Re:Poland, 1996. by MSZ · · Score: 1
      Not the case in Szczecin or Warszawa back then...

      I still remember "satellite outage table" posted at the Warsaw University - they had a satellite link, but the actual satellite had some solar cells broken and would go offline unless properly lighted by sun.
      When I moved to Poland, back in 1994 I think, it was all automatic (dial a number on the phone, it would connect you).

      Mostly - unless you went to some godforsaken rural area, where manual switches were still in use. Last ones decomissioned about 2004. Larger cities had it mostly automatic much earlier.
      --
      The moon is not fully subjugated. I demand a second assault wave preceded by a massive nuclear bombardment.
  51. Space Station Video Hack by cyclone96 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you've ever seen TV coverage of a Progress or Soyuz docking to the International Space Station, you've probably seen the ubiquitous black and white docking camera video with data overlayed on it as the vehicle approached the docking target.

    Unfortunately, this television signal was only within the Russian Segment, and could only be downlinked through Russian communication assets over Russian ground sites. That limited the video to around 10 minutes each orbit, and required the docking to physically occur over Russia.

    The US segment downlinks television via the Tracking and Data Relay Satellites (TDRS), which have more or less worldwide coverage. But the US segment and Russian Segment systems used incompatible video standards and weren't physically connected.

    Yup, two video systems that cost tens of millions to develop, and they can't talk to each other. Classic "square peg, round hole" problem.

    So we devised a setup where the crew ran a cable from the Russian Segment TV system into an IBM A31p laptop which converts the Russian SECAM signal to US NTSC video. The output from the laptop is connected to another cable strung down the stack into the US video system and downlinked via TDRS. Voila, greatly increased video coverage thanks to a lowly Thinkpad.

    Details of this being tested can be found here: http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=18791

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    Worst...sig...ever!
    1. Re:Space Station Video Hack by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

      That's awesome! Lovely read, too.

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      toresbe
    2. Re:Space Station Video Hack by Alpha77 · · Score: 1

      And this definitely proves NTSC is Not The Smart Choice.

    3. Re:Space Station Video Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SECAM isn't any better.

    4. Re:Space Station Video Hack by soupforare · · Score: 1
      ...lowly Thinkpad.
      You misspelled "MIGHTY".
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      --- Do you believe in the day?
    5. Re:Space Station Video Hack by IronChef · · Score: 1

      I was really hoping the solution would involve a video camera aimed at a monitor.

  52. Bizarre setups by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

    Some of the bizarre setups I've witnessed on previous and current work locations:

    * Intranet Application server also running a TV tuner for the workers to enjoy their favorite TV shows without a hassle.

    * The server room is actually the living apartment of the boss. He has a cat. The cat is occasionally found napping on top of the servers, despite attempts to keep it outside that specific room inside the apartment.

    * A guy running a bunch of servers decided that using electric socket splitters is too messy, so he instead cut a bunch of PC power cable and soldered them directly to the bare wires in the wall.

    * Mission critical databases backed up daily to a collection of attached USB (mp3 player) flash sticks.

  53. CWRU.edu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your email address indicates that you are from Case Western. Might not want to let your boss see that...

    I have a great idea for them to spend money on: Why not invest a ton of money into ATM networking? It's going to be the wave of the future!

    1. Re:CWRU.edu by ximenes · · Score: 1

      I'm not too worried. When the day comes that I'm not able to speak my mind positively or negatively about work or anything else, then I guess I'll just get fucked over.

      Yes, CWRU was one of the largest ATM deployments in the world. In fairness, this was in the days of 10Mbit Ethernet, so I guess it made sense at the time. I do know that I took great joy in throwing piles of (totally worthless) $1000+ FORE ATM cards into the garbage when the network was converted to gigabit Ethernet. That certainly was not a blunder. Its still problematic that we use fiber instead of copper, but who knew that you'd be able to run gigabit Ethernet over basically the same cabling. I remember back in 1997 or whenenver, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Ethernet#100BASE -T4 was the wave of the future.

  54. Re:Crap "servers" overheating? Rig some crap cooli by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
    The only thing that blew up was the fancy new monitor that had come with the expensive and utterly overpowered RS/6000 just purchased by the library.

    Speaking of library computers, where I went to school (small school in SE PA) was using dumb terminals in the library connected to a VAX for their catalog system well into the 2000s - they still did as of my 5th reunion in May 06 actually! The wierd thing was that if you wanted to check e-mail and all of the public lab computers were taken, if you power cycled the terminal quickly, you'd get a command prompt. If you then typed C , you'd be able to telnet into the mail system. This worked fine until they made SSH mandatory in 2000 or so.

    -b.

  55. Peace and quiet and a good cup of coffee... by ScrappyLaptop · · Score: 3, Funny

    The server room was a fairly large closet with an a/c outlet and a combination of wire racks and IKEA shelves. Nothing too bad, there; it all worked and everything was strapped down in case of a quake. However, to get to the server room you had to go through the breakroom and pass by the kitchen. Which had maybe two outlets and a hardwired coffee maker. Which shared a breaker panel with the server room in the hallway behind both rooms. Can't tell you how many times the admin assistant killed the server room trying to shut off the coffee maker. On a Friday, at 5 p.m... Funny thing is, the Head Cheese only worried about his coffee, not the servers that housed our precious COBOL and account information and wouldn't authorize either a separate breaker panel or a good UPS. Then again, that same admin assistant had to print out the boss' email and Excel spreadsheets and then re-type in his modifications...

  56. http://bash.org/?5273 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obligatory bash.org quote.

    <erno> hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.

    1. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Funny
      Been there, done that while running a small hosting company out of a friend's flat. All the servers were in the living room. We'd borrowed a (for the time) fairly meaty PII-350 to act as DNS and database server. Then we bought another machine, went to give the borrowed PII back and - we'd *lost* it! Where TF was it? We could ping it, it was working and serving up requests, but we couldn't find it. So we ran

      find(1)
      until we heard the disk rattling. It was under a pile of jackets behind the sofa.
    2. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but we couldn't find it. So we ran

      find(1)
      until we heard the disk rattling. Hah! find not only finds files, but also machines! ROTFL!

      (I usually use while : ; do echo ^G >/dev/tty1 ; sleep 1 ; done)

    3. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by kylegordon · · Score: 3, Funny

      A certain somebody who may remain nameless, but may or may not also be the parent poster, used a similar method to rattle the noisy old disks on a server that lived in my bedroom at ungodly hours in the morning....

    4. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Only 'cos you had the speakers unplugged. I bet you won't leave a root shell lying around on someone else's machine again any time soon...

    5. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by dcam · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Shades of this.

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      meh
    6. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa, that was pretty redundant.

    7. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've been installing sshd on all machines on our works LAN as a matter of course. There was one time when one machine out of about 30 was generating HTTP requests fast enough to knock over our Apache2 server. Solution? Use "ssh", "su" and "poweroff" in that order! (The problem later turned out to be a faulty keyboard; the f5 key, meaning "reload", was stuck. Of course, there was a web browser running, because we use custom web applications; and the mouse cursor was over the browser, so sending keystrokes to that application, because it was the last thing anyone had used.) I've also used the following:

      for i in /usr/*; do eject && sleep 2 && eject -t && sleep 2; done
      which is pretty effective for locating a machine.
      --
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    8. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by InfoHighwayRoadkill · · Score: 1

      well done sir, if only I had mod points

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      another Roadkill on the Information Superhighway
    9. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about something better like,

      while true; do eject && sleep 2 && eject -t && sleep 2; done

    10. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by dcam · · Score: 1

      Yeah sorry. I saw the comment, didn't read the subject and thought I recognised it. I'd just posted my reply when I read the subject.

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      meh
    11. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by flinkflonk · · Score: 1

      Must have been that pesky Charlie Root, doing something he calls "running cron jobs". Yeah, right, as if anybody would run anything at night :)

    12. Re:http://bash.org/?5273 by Elwell · · Score: 1

      And he had the cheek to move the PHP script that controlled his X10 lighting (cron is a wonderful annoyance tool...)

  57. GravityNet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ran a cat5 cable down the side of a 5 story building to a conference room, because we didn't own the floors in between. The PHBs needed a connection to demo some things. Later I learned that they sold the company, and then they downsized me because the other company already had an IT department, which ran on M$ Windoze. I was a happy Linux+Sendmail+Netscape admin. Great job.

  58. Not so strange... by NerveGas · · Score: 1

    "using a dripping tap to keep the sewerage U-bend full of water in a computer room, (huh?)."

    If you have a u-bend, you do need to keep water in it. Just wait until you see what happens when the u-bend dries out... it's a very smelly affair.

    --
    Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
  59. Ethernet fun by NerveGas · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine has worked at Novell for quite a while. Quite some time ago (10 years, maybe a little more), he took a support call from a company complaining about how slow their network had become as they added more stations, and that it had eventually become completely, totally, unusable for any task.

          It turned out that they had at least 1,000 stations (I want to say 3,000, but I'm not positive) - all using ethernet *hubs*, not switches.

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    Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
  60. Telco tariff weirdness by Dave+the+Inverted · · Score: 1

    In the mid-90s I did tech support for a regional ISP with a pretty large presence in its home city. We ran our own POP there with several hundred lines. The lines were digital right up to the demarc, where they were split/converted/whatever out to several hundred copper pairs. On our side, the several hundred copper pairs were immediately converted *back* to digital and sent off to our USR Courier digital modem banks. The reason for this was that analog lines were tariffed cheaper than digital ones, so it was actually cheaper for us, even though it was more work and complexity both for them and for us.

  61. Colo Facilities by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    I used to be a customer at a GlobalCrossing, which became Exodus facility. It was two stories high. However, the elevator was smaller than those in most office buildings, being that it *wasn't* a freight elevator. However, they did on the second story, have a rollup door installed in the wall.

    We (being a service provider that provided storage to the other customers in the colo) had to spin up a EMC Symmetrix (these are 3x2 floor tiles in size) for a large customer. We then had to hire a forklift operator to lift the symm into the open rollup door on the 2nd floor.

    In a different colo, we had a 1k sqft cage, and we had quite a few EMC symmetrixes (the 3x2 tile ones), when we moved in there were almost no other cages in this part of the building. When this symmetrix came off of lease, exodus had built up the other cages and there was no way for us to roll it down the hall without taking off the walls of every cage we passed. We then, instead of rolling out to the loading dock, we could only get it through the front lobby as that would require fewer cages to be taken apart. While the moving company rolled it out through the lobby they cracked half the tiles the symmetrix rolled over.

    I watched a customer of mine that was running a pair of sun boxes (e450s) say "I don't want to manage my backup database server via telnet/ssh, I need to run X". He them promptly unplugged the keyboard/mouse from his primary database server and plug it into the backup. This *mysteriously* triggered his cellphone to ring, as his boss asked him why the website was down. For those that don't know, this would cause a solaris box to drop to bootprom.

    1. Re:Colo Facilities by Sproggit · · Score: 1

      ssh 192.168.1.1

      DISPLAY=192.168.1.2
      export DISPLAY /usr/local/bin/backup_proggie

  62. IT by HAVOC0301 · · Score: 1

    My first job in an IT room was a short one. Was asked to come in over the weekend and aid the head IT hotshot. Guess he never checked his email cause he never showwed and left me w/ the owner of the company (Very mad owner). Owner walked me to the tank where the servers where kept and was telling me how i would be building new workstations. He then showed me the "bench" that i would be working from w/ 20+ copies of Windows and Tons of hardware laying about. I asked if there was a lock policy on un-used hardware and software and he proceeded to show me a 10x10 closet w/ a 3" solid metal door w/ passcode lock. It was epmty of course since the IT hotshot did not care. Spent couple hours putting things away before getting to work on my first system. All the cases i was to work on where being refitted w/ new gear CPU, Ram and Hrd Drv. Open 1st case and had 3 Hrd Drv Ducttapped together and placed inside the drive bay and then taped inside the bay. Grabbed a Digi cam that found in the lock room and took couple shots, then grabbed the owner and asked if this was the companies idea of IT work. Owner was shocked and was even more shocked when i opend several more cases to find more tape and random part shoved in cases. I didnt go back on Sunday. Called them on Monday and asked them to mail my check. There was no way i could clean up after a person like that or even let them call the shots and make poor choices like that.

  63. Here's One by melikamp · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Here's One by Megane · · Score: 1

      Fry's ad for the win!

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  64. LAN parties by RedFive · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A few years ago I used to get together with some mates every weekend for a little LAN party. The small apartment we met in grew too small for the number of participants, however fortunately one of the newcomers lived in the apartment below, so some CAT 5 was run out on to the balcony, and down to the next floor. Instant room for expansion on the LAN parties.

    The cable remained there for many months - rain, hail and shine until this guy moved to a house directly across the street. There was talk of running the CAT 5 across the street alongside the power lines, however it never happened.

    On the work front, once I visited a client complaining of slow network performance. Following the cables, I popped my head up into the false ceiling to find a roll of 100m of 10B2 cabling.

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    1. Re:LAN parties by demon+driver · · Score: 1

      Yeah. About ten years ago I connected the three flats of the house I lived in then by BNC - out through one window frame, in through another window frame, as there was no chance to get the landlord to install ducts and trenches (or, for that matter, any one of the involved parties to pay for them). The black cables were practically wound around the house, we tried only slightly to not let them become too visible. When one of us moved to another place, it was 1 km away. We immediately considered extending the connection alongside the power lines, though our consideration probably was on less serious terms than yours. As both places did not see each other we had to discard any ideas of point-to-point radio as well. It took quite a while until internet access became fast enough and cheap enough to provide a real replacent for our early LAN connection.

    2. Re:LAN parties by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      We had a similar network setup at university. Accomodation was split into self contained flats of 5 or 6 people. We had 4 flats (in two buildings). And we used 50 Ohm Co-ax with BNC connectors. This meant that the network cable would go in and out again of each room that was connected, and was stretched between two buildings, between flat windows. It then went out of the flat, into the ceiling (we didn't want exposed cables in shared corridors), upstairs through some ducting and then into and out of two other flats. I think it later was extended downstairs into the final flat who decided to sign on later.

      I think we ended up with about 200m of cable with a couple of dozen machines hanging off it.

      The downside here was that any damage to any part of the network cable would bring down the entire network. We reduced this problem later by all pitching in for a game server/router.

    3. Re:LAN parties by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > There was talk of running the CAT 5 across the street alongside the power lines, however it never happened.

      Yikes! You'd have learned a hard lesson in induction there, and perhaps also in recovery after a fire.

      Virg

  65. my former ISP and their sole server by green+pizza · · Score: 1

    My former dial-up ISP of many years ran the entire shop (authentication, proxy, web, email, billing, etc) on a single Sun SPARCstation 5. IIRC, their website bragged for many years that said machine featured a pair of 2 GB drives!

  66. One IP address for a whole country by nwetters · · Score: 1

    Baffling, but true.

  67. MS Exchange in place of a mail server by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've seen people try to use MS Exchange in place of a mail server.

    Hey, you did ask.

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    1. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by grahamlee · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I used to work somewhere where they tried to use Exchange as an SMTP server, despite running into a load of the myriad problems introduced when communicating between Exchange and any other implementation of SMTP. AFAICT it's fine for use as a groupware server on a Windows-only network, but try to use other clients or put it on the big wild intarwebs and problems start to arise.

    2. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit. I have worked for companies that used exchange as the internet facing SMTP server.

      Can you substantiate these claims with links?

    3. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by extremely · · Score: 1

      For the clueless: the phrase "Hey, you did ask" is equivalent to ":)" or "^/^" and implies that the prior statement was intended to be read as humor.

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      $you = new YOU;
      honk() if $you->love(perl)

    4. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by Dark_MadMax666 · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear . Former exchange admin here . GP is BS all over - Exchange (current version -2003) is quite capable to be a full blown SMTP server. Is just some admins do not quite read documentation and if they cant find the setting in GUI they assume it does not exist.

        There is esmtpverbs control parameter in AD which by default does not play very nice with some other smtp servers(its arguable whose fault is that - every party claims its other party to blame) . -Anyways with a few things adjusted Exchange is excellent smtp server.

    5. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by big+dumb+dog · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...I seen some try to use IIS as a web server, too.

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    6. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Let's see, is the long-time extend-and-embrace techno-maverick to blame, or is it the hundreds of other systems that interoperate with each other properly according to the international specification for what it is they are written to do?

    7. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by jc42 · · Score: 1

      I've seen people try to use MS Exchange in place of a mail server.

      A year to two back, I read a cute piece of parody that was about some hackers discovering that Microsoft's premium virus-delivery package, Exchange, could also be used to deliver email. I wonder where I read that?

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    8. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "There is esmtpverbs control parameter in AD which by default does not play very nice with some other smtp servers(its arguable whose fault is that - every party claims its other party to blame) . -Anyways with a few things adjusted Exchange is excellent smtp server."

      But, wouldn't the better method of doing things, is to have it 'play nice' right out of the box...like most email servers do? I mean, a little config is one thing, but, to have to search for obscure parameters to turn off to get it to work with most clients seems a bit poor in regards to design of a system....

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    9. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "...I seen some try to use IIS as a web server, too."

      Heck, I've seen some people actually try using WINDOWS as an OS in the server room?!?!?

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    10. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by jchoyt · · Score: 1

      But, wouldn't the better method of doing things, is to have it 'play nice' right out of the box...like most email servers do? I mean, a little config is one thing, but, to have to search for obscure parameters to turn off to get it to work with most clients seems a bit poor in regards to design of a system....
      The unstated assumption here is "better" means something other than "we need to lock in our customers and punish everyone else so they become our customers," which to the vendor in question is heresy.
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    11. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by Rethcir · · Score: 1

      How's the weather up there on you guys' pedestals?

    12. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty good, though, windows 2000 prof is actually my favorite operating system ever(once you apply at least service pack 2) :)

      Stable, less bloat, plays games.

    13. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Sunny without a cloud in the sky. With weather like that, who needs windows...

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    14. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by jamesjw · · Score: 1

      We moved from Exchange to Lotus Domino/Notes at work after Exchange buried itself several times.

      Not to mention that Notes works on Linux, Windows and Mac :)

      Blah.

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    15. Re:MS Exchange in place of a mail server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stable?

  68. Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Funny
    I have a PDP-11/73 that I run occasionally (http://pdp11.kicks-ass.net). It's got about 70M of disk space, two 10M removable drives, and two 8" floppies. All of these are (or were) booted by typing the name of the boot device you want at the boot prompt. Now, for those of you who have only ever seen modern PCs, these machines don't necessarily have any kind of BIOS or anything like that. In this case, the boot loaders were held in a pair of EPROMs on an add-in board along with the console serial port and LTC (line time clock that uses a small transformer to provide a mains-derived 50Hz clocked interrupt). One day, one of these EPROMs failed. No boot image. "Oh dear", I said, or something very similar.

    Well now, remember I said it had no BIOS? What it *does* have is an octal debugger, similar to DEBUG in MS-DOS, called ODT. This is actually built into the microcode of the CPU; the CPU requires a console serial port to be present to even POST. If it's not there, a little LED lights on the edge of the CPU board and the machine will never come out of halt. So, at worst, all you need to do is hit <BREAK> type in the boot loader code on the terminal, and the machine will boot. Right?

    Right. But that's a pain in the gluteus maximus, because it means typing in a load of stuff like

    @001000/012700^J
      001002/174400^J
      001004/012760^J
    ...
    and so on for a few dozen lines. There must be an easier way. What, like burn them into an EPROM? Well yes, but I don't have an EPROM burner. What I *do* have, though, is a VT-510 terminal, which allows you to program key sequences into the function keys. So, what I do now is power up the terminal and the PDP11, press HALT and then RESET on the front panel, hit a key sequence on the terminal, drop back into RUN once the disk seeks (controller is ready) and it's booted.

    Yes, I'm buying an EPROM blower off eBay...
    1. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by hauntingthunder · · Score: 1


      Cool

      I have actualy had to do this a few times back in the day at BHRA on our PDP 11/40 using the switches on the front panel - which was esier than trying to use a terminal to type in the boot loader (tried it onece on a 11/03 and coundn't get it to work)

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    2. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by VAXcat · · Score: 1

      Pretty clever use of the terminal string. I set mine to log me in with one keystroke, back in the day. As to messing about with PDP-11 boot capabilities...the PDP-11/84 has a tiny bit of EEPROM built into it, that allows one to store small boot programs. I was at a DEC school one time, that dealt with hardware maintenance of the PDP-11/84 (I was taking the course so I could then train some Bulgarian customers of our systems, but that's another story). One of the guys in the class was a demon at writing small programs in binary for the PDP-11. During a break, he wrote one into the EEPROM for the class machine that cause it to pause, beep out "shave and a ahaircut - two bits", then proceed with a normal boot. Drove the instructior crazy until she figured out what was going on. The instructor was a pretty good sport - she didn't even get mad when, after she left her terminal logged in unattended on her normal machine, we changed the first line of her loginc.cmd to be "logout"....

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    3. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At an ancient and famous university a few years ago, I met a guy who did this so often he knew the octal for the loader. By heart. That scared me...

    4. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's about time to look into an emulator. Power savings would probably pay you back in a couple weeks.

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    5. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by neimon · · Score: 1

      On my first 11, we had to key each adress and deposit data using the front panel rocker switches. We had the bootstrap loader on a very long avery label on the front panel.

      Nice thing about magnetic core memory, though. If the power went out, you turned it back on, let things warm up a bit and sometimes just hit the CONTINUE toggle, and the thing would pick up where it left off.

    6. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Megane · · Score: 1

      There's a legend that Woz knew the hex for intbasic by heart. Now that's mind-blowing.

      As for me, I've memorized ASCII (I can enter it with toggle switches if necessary), quite a few Z80 opcodes, and NOP and RTS for the 68000, but that's about it.

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    7. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Doesn't cost much to run - less than a PC that would run an emulator at comparable speeds. The PSU for the -11 itself is only about 400W.

    8. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Attila · · Score: 1

      You had a programmable terminal? Luxury! I used a 286 running MS-DOS, a null modem cable, and a quick-and-dirty terminal emulator I wrote in QBASIC.

      While licking my PDP-11/45 clean with my tongue... OK, getting carried away there... While inspecting my PDP-11/45 I accidentally snapped a very corroded pin off the EPROM. On the PC I typed the PDP-11 boot code (from the manual) into a text file as a script (so it could go back into RUN automatically) then modified my terminal emulator to feed it out when I reset the PDP-11. Worked like a charm.

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    9. Re:Booting a PDP11 with no boot ROMs by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      I accidentally snapped a very corroded pin off the EPROM.

      See at least you've got the chance to grind away a bit of the package, and solder on another pin. You might even (if it's a standard DEC board) be able to get a copy of the EPROM. The EPROMs on the card in mine are very specific to that card. Worst of it is, I emailed the company that made it, who are still around. I got a reply from the guy that designed the board originally - he'd just pitched all the bits of prototypes of it, including any ROMs and the source code, a few months before.

      Wonder why the Dark Ages are called the Dark Ages? It's because we don't know much about them, because no-one kept any records. They either didn't make them, or didn't retain them, or they didn't survive. You might want to think about that some time.

  69. Continuous wiring by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recall installing some additional power outlets in one building in the tropics and worrying about violating code by doing it myself. The building was wired with 8-gauge multiple strand copper wire (for 110VAC 60Hz) with one hot, one neutral and (ostensibly) one ground. Once I got a look under the faceplate, however, I realized that code wouldn't be a problem.

    The wiring method was bizarre: at each terminal (screw) the wire was stripped of insulation by tearing for about 2 inches (~5 cm), wrapped around the screw and then continued on its way to the next. It went like that for all the outlets we examined.

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    1. Re:Continuous wiring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Depending on code where you are, that seems perfectly acceptable. For example, in Ontario, Canada, it is legal to have up to something like 12 outlets on one breaker (ie: One cable). Since each box would house two outlets, joining them together continuously like that seems like something a smart electrician would do. Cutting the cables and using both terminals would leave you with several failure points per outlet (Number of cables prior to your outlet + that outlet). Not cutting the cable and leaving it continuous leaves you with only one possible failure point per outlet (The present outlet).

      You are allowed to do joins in wiring at any point that is immediately accessible for service. Obviously, the outlets themselves are immediately accessible, and so, joins there would be fine.

      It might be odd, but honestly, that electrician was probably quite smart, and probably didn't have to come back to fix his own wiring very often.

      For a low voltage example, this is how would would wire a punchdown block to split signals if only regular punchdown blocks are available (that's why good punchdown tools let you turn the wire cutter off). You just wire the wire continuously, looping it around the one side of the punchdown block, leaving you with multiple places to tap it from.

  70. Next to the furnace room by coolgeek · · Score: 1

    I consulted for a smallish private girls high school since the time they barely had two networks of Mac SE's. One set of 4 for the faculty and 6 for the computer lab, which had a nice raised floor, and someone had an office in there that was huge.

    I started deploying PCs and servers for the administrators. Eventually things grew large enough that we needed a central place for a server room, so we picked a store room in the basement. It was within 100m of all the telco closets in other buildings, so it seemed like a good place. We could hit the rest of the campus without having to buy routers, which were quite expensive in the early 90's. Switches were barely even talked about back then.

    Only one problem though. The store room was adjacent to the boiler room. A lot of heating ducts ran above our server room, and would cause the computers to overheat. The only solution for a couple of years was to cut the heat to certain parts of the school. The girls froze their butts off (well, as much as one freezes in Southern California).

    Eventually, the person hogging the office in the room with the raised floor left the school. I swooped and made it into our new "data center" (lol it had 2 racks...data center, but calling it that made it seem important and garnered a lot of support which was needed because a couple of other factions had plans for that space too). We pulled a bunch of cat 5e from the old server room to the new "data center" and installed a switch in the old room. That way we kept the hub count within spec.

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  71. Incredible but true by real+gumby · · Score: 1, Funny

    I once visited a company that used Microsoft Windows on every computer in the company!

    I know it's hard to believe it but i saw it with my own eyes!

    1. Re:Incredible but true by steelcobra · · Score: 1

      This is standard in the military because at the large scale Windows server/XP client is the easiest to deploy and manage. Linux just isn't the answer to everything.

    2. Re:Incredible but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wanted to say gratz guys - this is the FIRST article I've read where it took a TON of replies before some wannabe comedian chimed in. Actually had some intesting reading before bumping into what the person seems to think is a 'joke' - gee yet another M$ bash. Never heard that before. *yawn* Razzies for the person that moderated it funny.

      Great job!

    3. Re:Incredible but true by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      That's a fair cop, mate...too obvious a joke And in fact at my company (where I make all the computing decisions) all the desktops are Windows, all the laptops (except mine) are windows, all the instruments run windows, though for simplicity none of the servers are.

      So I'll do penance with a story, though not as funny as the U-bend.

      Part 1: Cygnus was founded in an apartment complex, specifically in my apartment. We grew by renting more apartments, and ran thinnet (no 10BaseT in those days) between them. Initially we ran the thinnet through an expansion seam in the concrete driveway (you know, the seams the guy who pours it drags in the concrete before it sets). Anyway, after the Loma Prieta earthquake, the lanlord had to repour the driveway...and kindly offered to let us run the thinnet through it. I'm sure it's still there.

      Part 2: Back in 1989 there weren't ISPs you could sign up with (at least in the bay area). BARRnet wasn't technically available for commercial traffic. So John and I (and a couple of other folks) started The Little Garden which is one of the first "consumer" ISPs. I was originally intended as a cooperative, so when I say "consumer" you had to be able to build your own router, which was mostly done via running KA9Q on a junker PC (286 perhaps? I can't remember). Our backbone was some leased lines running 56K connections, and most people just dialed up and never hung up (free residential calls at both ends, remember...technically we weren't a business) . The main POP was my spare bedroom...full of telebit trailblazers (ran their own variant of the Bell protocol).

      Joke #3: since we were a residence whenever we wanted a new pair the phone company would have to give it to us. Since arond '88 Palo Alto buried our utilities, when we filled up the conduit they'd have to dig another. Years later one of those apartments became available (both organizations, and I, had long since moved) and I suggested to a friend who was looking for a place that he move in. "Oh, not there," he said. "I knew someone who lived there once and when he tried to get phone service the phone company took forever to get him one. They said some guy had used all the lines up. Can you believe that stupid story?"

      OK, bizarre enough for you?

  72. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by kilodelta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A little over a year ago I had the first ever chance to do something right with regard to IT infrastructure. Prior to that we were based in an office where our 'server room' was a closet. The room in which the closet was located had power issues, bad air conditioning, etc. and we'd regularly have issues with heat or power. When they looked at moving us I jumped at the chance. Got a 600 square foot room with fully independent 480V power service. That power service includes an APC Symmetra with a nominal 15 minute run time. That's backed up by a 125kW natural gas fired generator. We also extend a tendril out to the MDF in the building to power our ISP's routing gear there. The power system is regularly exercised and tested. Air conditioning is provided by two independent systems and the room is kept at 65F. There are forty servers in the room. One day we decided to see what would happen if there was air conditioning failure. In the space of a half hour the temp in the room went from 65F to 85F. So we know we got the cooling system specs right. Now I'll explain the flaw in our whole system. We depend on someone else for DNS resolution. When they go down, we go down. They're finally seeing the light and putting DNS on somewhat more robust boxes and power systems. Just goes to show, you can plan for everything but you'll never find it all.

  73. qmail by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Thats it, just qmail.

    It doesn't get much more bizarre and hack-ish than that.

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    1. Re:qmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't say the q-word out loud or you'll invoke DJB. It's like the Candyman, but worse.

    2. Re:qmail by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Don't say the q-word out loud or you'll invoke DJB.

      Invoke DJB?

      Well since you mention him, I'd have to add that *anything* by DJB is quirky, bizarre and hack-ish.

      Except Maildir, which was a stroke of genius.

      Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Maildir format came from the same person who gave us qmail and daemontools.

      Madness surely works in mysterious ways.

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  74. Obligory TheDailyWTF by Shin+Chan · · Score: 0
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  75. Cue links to the "magic switch" story... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The all-time greatest hack (if it's true...)

    http://www.google.com/search?q=magic+switch+more+m agic

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  76. 640K limit by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    I worked at an insurance rating company during the DOS/Windows 3.1 days. The in house language we used required that we compile with the in house compiler. This compiler required that we have 654K of the 640k base memory free. When a new guy went in and modified the compiler to work in 320k, the VP/Lead "Developer"/Original developer of the compiler, found out, he made the new guy put the code back how he found it. Ahh... Those three weeks that we only needed 320k of free base memory were bliss....

    1. Re:640K limit by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      This compiler required that we have 654K of the 640k base memory free

      How exactly is that possible? Typo, I assume....

    2. Re:640K limit by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      How exactly is that possible? Typo, I assume....

      Well, it could be interesting to watch if it used a few K of video memory:)

    3. Re:640K limit by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It could be a typo, or it could be that the compiler was using part of the 384k of memory that existed above the 640k line (there was actually 1MB of memory). That "high memory" was often used for drivers, but special programs were used to put utilities in those memory locations. A portion of that memory was used for the video buffer, hence the sibling post.

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  77. IP addresses from the coffee machine by simm1701 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Working in a fairly large software company (the technology will probably give it away but I still dont plan to name names) our department had our own private kitchen and espresso machine (because the site canteen was heavily over priced)

    We had an honour system for payment - an old desktop PC with a card reader. You swiped your ID badge through a card reader. All this did was extract the card ID string and send it through a shell script to a mysql database which then deducted from your balance the cost of a coffee - hand cash to the secretaries to top up the balance (I'll admit on average most people were in negative balance though every now and then the worst offenders had their balance details mailed to the whole department to shame them into paying up)

    The actual purpose of the card reader PC? It was the DHCP server for the (still in use at the time - 2002) token ring network.

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    1. Re:IP addresses from the coffee machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Working in a fairly large software company (the technology will probably give it away but I still dont plan to name names) ... the DHCP server for the (still in use at the time - 2002) token ring network.
      The company is IBM, in case anyone was wondering. They beat the token ring dead horse for decades before finally switching over to ethernet.
  78. Potatoe Chips by kobol · · Score: 1

    I worked as a contractor at a major manufacturer of snack foods in Plano, where all the permies were semi-retarded and used new PCs running Windows 3.1! Nevertheless I was further shocked when during the team-building exercise we draped each other with (thankfull unused) toilet paper. It was the second place I was fired from (the other was also near Dallas, the home of Buckwheat).

    1. Re:Potatoe Chips by kobol · · Score: 1

      And at the thankfully now defunct MCI Worldcom near Dallas I was directed by our teamleader, a farmboy from west Texas, to write a program to generate reroutes for use if a circuit went down. He studied my work and said I was "good", but was afraid to put the program into production in case it malfunctioned and he got fired.

  79. IT Horrors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Since some people seem to be sharing horror stories, I'll share mine. Kind of tame...

    This small company doesn't have an IT department, they have a person who finds time in her day to do IT -- maybe. I occasionally get to come in and try to clean up the mess.

    This is a small business. By "Small", I mean "Roughly ten, and no more than twenty people in the company." By that, I mean that there cannot be more than about ten workstations, all running Windows 2000 or above. At least they aren't still on Win98 and Win95...

    They have a server -- a fileserver, on which all their data is stored, which also runs the FileMaker server, and is (theoretically) backed up nightly. So far, so good, even if it is done with Microsoft Backup.

    So, not good, but not horrible.

    Here's the problem: They hire some local IT company, at a rate of some $75/hour/tech for two techs, to handle just about anything that goes wrong, except on rare occasions where I convince them I can do it quicker and cheaper. These guys have set them up with a fucking NT domain!

    Would someone please explain to me why the fuck a company that small needs an NT domain?

    I mean, they aren't swapping computers -- EVER. Theoretically, everything's backed up, but they never test that -- everyone has their POP3 email downloaded locally to Outlook, which is going to bite them in the ass someday. Everyone has access to everyone else's files on the server, to make sharing stuff easier. The office is small enough, and has no wireless to speak of, so it's not as if anyone's going to be snooping around their network.

    I just don't see why their needs couldn't be met with simple Windows filesharing, or a Samba server.

    Now, why not have an NT domain, especially if they've already paid for the "Server Edition" or whatever? Well, it costs somewhere between $200 and $1000 of tech time to set up a new computer to operate with "the network" -- which basically means, install printer drivers, get it onto the domain, map a couple of drives, and move "My Documents" to the fileserver. I do not know how to admin an NT domain, so I cannot do this myself.

    This also means, no reinstalls, really, because a reinstall ends up costing almost as much as a new computer.

    And, of course, the techs refuse to teach any of us how to admin our own fucking network, because if they did that, they'd be out of a job. That is why it's a problem. My 15-year-old brother can work dirt-cheap and setup Windows filesharing, and even Samba servers, all day long, but neither of us knows what to do with an NT domain -- but these techs have convinced them that it's somehow "more secure".

    That's the one thing that jumps out of me. I could make a laundry list of other offenders -- just about every machine there is dog-slow (likely spyware), almost everytime I sit down at someone's computer there's some 30 critical updates waiting, they've been known to do things like wipe XP Pro off a laptop and put 2K Pro on in order to have something "more familiar" (they've since learned from that mistake)...

    I remember offering to setup a VPN for them, a simple affair with a Linux box and OpenVPN, figuring I'd just route things like Samba and FileMaker connections. And it worked, flawlessly, except I couldn't get on "the network", because I couldn't make the NT domain go across the VPN. And so, within a day or so of my attepmt, they called in The Techs to set them up a VPN (since they'd heard from me that VPNs are a good thing), and now they use Remote Desktop and call it a VPN. True, they can do what I was promising -- they can access their email, files, and FileMaker database remotely -- but it's also damned inefficient, and it runs over a VPN because RDP doesn't do crypto.

    Anyway, bit of a rant, but if there's a moral, it's this: If you can't afford a full IT person, you certainly can't afford freelance MSCE dicks.

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    1. Re:IT Horrors? by lukas84 · · Score: 1
      These guys have set them up with a fucking NT domain!

      It's called "Active Directory" or "Windows Domain".

      And thats the RIGHT way to do things, if you don't use a "Hosted Something" package.

      AD makes lots of things easier and simpler. Setting up a new machine is easier, users get their old profile synced back from the server, all "my documents" are properly redirected to the server, and users will have less hassle.

      Setting up a new machine can be automated completely using RIS (XP) or WDS (Vista)

      but neither of us knows what to do with an NT domain -- but these techs have convinced them that it's somehow "more secure".


      That's a selling point, but usually the main point is less administrative hassle.

      because I couldn't make the NT domain go across the VPN.


      You blame your incompetency on others?

      and it runs over a VPN because RDP doesn't do crypto.


      You're wrong.

      http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa383015. aspx
    2. Re:IT Horrors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      It's called "Active Directory" or "Windows Domain".

      And it's also called an NT domain -- or a Windows NT Domain, if you prefer.

      Setting up a new machine is easier,

      Except that here, no one knows how to do it, so it costs them a pile of money to setup a new machine.

      users get their old profile synced back from the server,

      Sounds great, except it doesn't happen here. Each machine has a name like "box7" or "box10", with a username/password based on that. No one will ever login to "box7" except from on a machine called box7.

      I realize this isn't Active Directory's fault, I'm just pointing out that as far as I can tell, Active Directory was only used here so these cunts can charge thousands of dollars to come over and twiddle their thumbs while they install Win2K on brand new Dell laptops.

      all "my documents" are properly redirected to the server,

      Which can be setup manually, easily. Perhaps not as easily as Active Directory does it, but we all know how to right-click My Documents.

      and users will have less hassle.

      Right now, the user experience is identical to before Active Directory, except that they now have to type a password on boot, and nobody in-house knows how to maintain the thing. They went from one overkill solution that they didn't know how to maintain (Novell) to another (Active Directory).

      Setting up a new machine can be automated completely using RIS (XP) or WDS (Vista)

      I can automate that with nLite or with Linux disk images, but more to the point, it is currently NOT automated. Most of the machines there are Win2K boxes, and whenever one gets so full of spyware that no one knows what to do with it anymore, it has to be wiped and reinstalled, and they have to shell out another few hundred dollars to The Techs.

      This is actually the only thing that keeps us going back to them. Everyone in the office would much rather use me or my brother -- we're cheap and efficient, and we don't try to sell them useless tech. So, eventually, I'm thinking we'll replace it all with a Samba server running FileMaker Server either natively or on Wine, with rsync or DRBD backups over the Internet to someone's house. The only other need for a Windows server is RDP, but we could get rid of that with a real and properly configured VPN -- which would be child's play if the fileserver was a Samba running on the VPN box.

      That's a selling point, but usually the main point is less administrative hassle.

      Which is irrelevant when these cunts won't teach us how to admin it. Much the same as I'd call Ubuntu "less administrative hassle," but that's irrelevant when no one there has touched Linux, or wants to. Still, I think tying them to a 15-year-old brother for $10/hour is better than two MSCE bastards for $75/hour.

      You blame your incompetency on others?

      Lack of knowledge and interest.

      Regardless, it's not just me. Everyone and their dog knows how to right-click and go "Sharing". And if it's as easy as you say it is, I'm now tempted to learn it so I, too, can be paid $75/hour for doing nothing.

      and it runs over a VPN because RDP doesn't do crypto.
      You're wrong.

      Oh. My bad. It runs over a VPN for no reason whatsoever, other than that I first sold them on the idea of a VPN.

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    3. Re:IT Horrors? by lukas84 · · Score: 1
      And it's also called an NT domain -- or a Windows NT Domain, if you prefer.
      I'm sparing you the usual Wikipedia rants - but usually when someone says "NT Domain" the refer to the older NT4 Style Domains, with the primary base being NTLM/WINS/NetBIOS. Microsoft marketing materials say the same.

      But i know a guy who refers to XP as "NT 5.1". It's just irritating, even if it isn't wrong.

      (Well, there are also People which refer to a System i5 as an "AS/400")

      Except that here, no one knows how to do it, so it costs them a pile of money to setup a new machine.
      That's the Tech's fault - why?

      When someone buys something they didn't really want, they only have themselves to blame.

      Each machine has a name like "box7" or "box10", with a username/password based on that.
      Ouch.

      Active Directory was only used here so these cunts can charge thousands of dollars to come over and twiddle their thumbs while they install Win2K on brand new Dell laptops.
      Ouch. And they still hire those guys? I mean, Windows 2000 is no longer supportet by MS - e.g. Timezone changes.

      with rsync or DRBD backups over the Internet to someone's house
      Don't do Online-Backups unless you always have technical people on site. Tapes are something users can grasp much better - they are much better at dealing with them, and you get less problems. Less callouts for tech too. But don't use cheap tape drives. I personally recommend LTO2/3 tapedrives.

      Which is irrelevant when these cunts won't teach us how to admin it.
      Probably because that's not their job. I'm not a good teacher either, that's why i'm doing a tech job and not a teaching job. If you lack windows knowledge, go learn it. All they need to do is document their setup.

      Don't get me wrong, but you sound like a guy who wouldn't have much problems with learning all the windows stuff - but you don't want to.

      Still, I think tying them to a 15-year-old brother for $10/hour is better than two MSCE bastards for $75/hour.
      It's like choosing between lepra and cholera. I'm not trying to say that your brother is incompetent, but one thing is for sure: he lacks experience. No matter how small a company is, IT is usually a critical infrastructure. And competent people need to be paid.

      If a company doesn't want the risk of their own infrastructure, they can use an ASP (Application Service Provider). This will remove the financial risk.

      Regardless, it's not just me. Everyone and their dog knows how to right-click and go "Sharing".
      Yeah, but users shouldnt do that. That's better be left to IT staff.

      Now, IT staff can be a dedicated person, a dedicated team, or someone else doing it as part of their normal workload, or someone outsourced.

      You sure know that IT isn't such a refined technology as cars. Cars can run several years till they need maintenance. But a computer used by a user with full privileges never lasts that long. It will need time. Until then, IT will stay very expensive.

    4. Re:IT Horrors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Except that here, no one knows how to do it, so it costs them a pile of money to setup a new machine.

      That's the Tech's fault - why?

      When someone buys something they didn't really want, they only have themselves to blame.

      It just strikes me as unethical. These techs know as well as I do what would really work, and what wouldn't -- or they're more clueless than I thought.

      Let me put it this way: If someone comes in to your computer shop wanting to buy a new video card to make their spreadsheet run faster, do you at least point out that video cards generally don't do that? At least try to educate them -- and you might be wrong, too (video cards can be used for some math), but at least try not to rip them off, even if it would be their fault.

      Ouch. And they still hire those guys? I mean, Windows 2000 is no longer supportet by MS - e.g. Timezone changes.

      To be fair, this was someone in-house who wanted to stay with something "familiar". The only thing that convinced them was when a second laptop came in and there was no time to wipe it -- and guess which laptop works better now?

      with rsync or DRBD backups over the Internet to someone's house

      Don't do Online-Backups unless you always have technical people on site. Tapes are something users can grasp much better - they are much better at dealing with them, and you get less problems.

      Actually, this is half the reason for doing online backups -- no manual interaction. It just goes, and they can browse the backup with a web browser if they want to make sure it's working.

      Which is irrelevant when these cunts won't teach us how to admin it.

      Probably because that's not their job. I'm not a good teacher either, that's why i'm doing a tech job and not a teaching job. If you lack windows knowledge, go learn it. All they need to do is document their setup.

      "Documenting their setup"... I wonder if they do that, I doubt it. But seriously, how hard is it to write step-by-step instructions for setting up box11 when box10 goes down? Or point them to some documentation on how to do that?

      Don't get me wrong, but you sound like a guy who wouldn't have much problems with learning all the windows stuff - but you don't want to.

      That much is true -- mostly because I think it's unnecessary. If I could convince them to treat it as a domain, I'd admin it as a domain, but I really doubt I can do that -- there's not really much discipline among users, there.

      I'm not trying to say that your brother is incompetent, but one thing is for sure: he lacks experience.

      Let me put it this way: First, he's 15 years old, so $10/hour is significant, especially when I'm still doing much of the work. Second, this is a way for him to get that experience. And finally, he'll mostly be doing the kind of stuff I could train anyone in that office to do -- for instance, take an image of a hard drive, swap it out for a new drive, restore the image from the fileserver. I imagine that it will eventually become his job to format and re-image the machines once a month.

      If there are problems, I'm not that far away -- I just don't have time to babysit their infrastructure, I have a real job and another freelance gig, so I am teaching him to take over the more mindless stuff. Which is, by the way, how I got started -- an older, more experienced admin gave me the root password to a Linux shop, gave me the boring stuff like tweaking and compiling custom kernels, and taught me what I know about admining Debian systems.

      Regardless, it's not just me. Everyone and their dog knows how to right-click and go "Sharing".

      Yeah, but users shouldnt do that. That's better be left to IT staff.

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    5. Re:IT Horrors? by lukas84 · · Score: 1
      It just strikes me as unethical.
      It is. I agree with you. I don't try to screw customers over, because i think i can achieve more with honesty and truth. Sales usually don't think so, because they don't have to deal with the customer on a daily basis.

      But a customer has to recognize that fact that not every company they work with is working for THEIR best. They usually work for themselves. It's the harsh reality of life.

      But seriously, how hard is it to write step-by-step instructions for setting up box11 when box10 goes down?
      It isn't. But usually it isn't in the offer the customer signs (because the sales forgot about it). When the customer asks about it later, he is unwilling to pay for it...

      Im not trying to play the blame game, but customers are often themselves at fault. They don't want to pay for quality, so they don't get quality.

      Second, this is a way for him to get that experience.
      Nothing wrong with that, as long they are aware of the downsides. A linux box maintained by a 15 yr old and his older brother usually leads to a poorly documented mess which neither you nor your brother understands after several years. At least, that's what happened to these projects i've seen. Doesn't mean it will happen in your case, but it's the usual outcome of a underpaid teenager maintaining critical company infrastructure.

      In fact, I do argue that for (say) running a Linux server -- it will need almost no maintenance once set up, even if it takes longer.
      Except for the OS upgrades, and the security upgrades, etc. pp. The same goes for windows servers, btw. ;)

      Setup a Linux fileserver with lots of storage and a reliable backup
      That's a classical contradiction. With LTO2, you get about 250-300GB on a single tape (no tape changer). Not using tapes has it's own set off problems (slow links for off-site storage).

      I don't know if this is standard practice anywhere, but this is what I intend to do for this company
      It's not an usual approach to this problem, but i think it will work well, as long as the user don't have any important data stored locally.

      And it will cost them less to maintain that for a year than it would cost them to hire the MSCEs to rebuild one system.
      In Switzerland, usual IT cost is about 2470US$ / workplace / year, assuming a 3yr cycle for both workstations and servers, more if you have less than 5 Users, and i don't think it scales well, but it's a good metric i've used in the past.

      A full, complete, solid customer installation for 10 workplaces usually comes up to 58000US$. This includes rack, switches, router, server, backup, workstations, desktop, licenses, groupware, but no ERP software. Central managment of updates, virus scanners, software, images, user data, backup, etc. pp.

      Linux has it's place - i use it for webhosting (a side job) and of course communications infrastructure.
    6. Re:IT Horrors? by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      Now, why not have an NT domain, especially if they've already paid for the "Server Edition" or whatever? Well, it costs somewhere between $200 and $1000 of tech time to set up a new computer to operate with "the network" -- which basically means, install printer drivers, get it onto the domain, map a couple of drives, and move "My Documents" to the fileserver. I do not know how to admin an NT domain, so I cannot do this myself.

      Huh? If the techs had setup the domain properly, the drives should be mapped in the login script, and people should really be using their own personal share (usually h: drive) to save "My Documents" anyway. I'm guessing you can probbably re-map My Documents in a login script, though I've never done it myself. Joining the machine to the domain takes about 15 seconds. It takes that long just to create a new user. It should take LESS time to setup a new computer in a domain, not more. Maybe the techs that setup the domain don't know what they're doing, but there's nothing wrong with creating a domain with 10-20 people in it (and I'd argue something VERY wrong with trying to rely on windows filesharing for such a situation).

      I do not know how to admin an NT domain, so I cannot do this myself.

      You're a computer tech and you don't want to learn anything new? Especially something as easy as administrating an NT domain? Sheesh, it's all point and click, it's not that difficult. If learning on your own isn't your game, I'd suggest a new field where nothing ever changes.

      I just don't see why their needs couldn't be met with simple Windows filesharing, or a Samba server.

      Because it's harder to administrate windows filesharing as the usernames aren't synced between the machines, and there's a limit on how many people can be connected at once (10 for pro, 5 for home). Sure, you could just have one username that everyone uses, but that's not terribly secure and doesn't provide for any private space like a home directory. A Samba server acting as a domain controller is a fine solution.. but that would involve all the complexity of learning how to administrate a domain which you don't want to learn.

      And, of course, the techs refuse to teach any of us how to admin our own fucking network, because if they did that, they'd be out of a job.

      Does your plumber teach you how to plumb your house? Does your auto mechanic teach you how to fix your car? Then why should a computer tech teach you how to run a domain? Techs are hired to be techs, not teach YOU how to be a tech. By far most businesses don't want to have anything to do with managing a network, that's why they hire techs. There's often someone who knows how to install software, but that's the extent of it.

      You sound like you're pretty young and expect someone to hold your hand through learning anything new. You'll never get anywhere in the tech field with that attitude.

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    7. Re:IT Horrors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      A linux box maintained by a 15 yr old and his older brother usually leads to a poorly documented mess which neither you nor your brother understands after several years.

      To some extent, yes. In my case, I recently came back to a Debian firewall that had bad RAM or something, and was so ridiculously out of date (with updates) and a bit corrupt from the RAM that I decided to rebuild it. And it had been years since I set it up.

      However, mostly from memory, I was able to copy over config files and get a new Ubuntu firewall in one Saturday afternoon -- most of it was spent finding out which hardware was good, and eventually stealing the boss's desktop to make it work.

      But, thank you for reminding me -- I will teach him to document everything.

      Except for the OS upgrades, and the security upgrades, etc. pp. The same goes for windows servers, btw. ;)

      True enough, but I've been amazed at how little I have to do of that. The box under my desk has been running for months. Every now and then, I ssh in, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Sometimes there's one or two updates -- and not a single update has broken anything, including the Dapper->Edgy upgrade.

      So, yes, there's some of that, but it's almost a non-issue, especially with something simple like a Samba/OpenVPN box. Compare that to a Windows server, where you also have to keep IE up to date, and run it through a GUI, and reboot for just about every update...

      However, in my experience, Windows servers do occasionally have actual problems to solve, whereas Linux servers just keep going until hardware failure -- such as the bad RAM I mentioned earlier.

      Not using tapes has it's own set off problems (slow links for off-site storage).

      True enough, but it doesn't take much. Keep in mind, too, that worst case, we can forgo the disk images (or put those on tapes) -- PowerPoint files over a slow link isn't a big deal, and if we lose the disk images, we rebuild, not a big deal compared to actual lost data.

      It's not an usual approach to this problem, but i think it will work well, as long as the user don't have any important data stored locally.

      That's the plan. And, knowing that the local disk will be wiped routinely will do wonders for users keeping their own discipline in this matter ;)

      Since they aren't currently backing up the local disk anyway, this means that if they lose anything from this procedure, they would've lost it sooner or later anyway. Obviously, we'll try to prevent that happening. And the positive is, if they don't lose a thing, they have the peace of mind of knowing the backup is working flawlessly.

      A full, complete, solid customer installation for 10 workplaces usually comes up to 58000US$.

      By "workstation", I mean "desktop computer". I'm talking about 10 people, not 10 offices. And if they do scale up dramatically enough for the domain to make a difference, they'll have bigger problems anyway.

      Linux has it's place - i use it for webhosting (a side job) and of course communications infrastructure.

      But what is it that makes it inappropriate here? Consider:

      Central managment of updates, virus scanners, software, images, user data, backup

      Central management of updates can be managed with a local repository or any number of custom scripts, or you could use some diskless monstrosity -- with the new fscache stuff, this is starting to look pretty attractive, just install the updates on the master and watch all the servers automatically be updated.

      Virus scanners aren't necessary unless you've got Windows boxes, and if you do, you can filter them at the firewall, even a proxy server. ClamAV is pretty decent, and manages its own updates.

      User data and backup is the same as on Wi

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    8. Re:IT Horrors? by lukas84 · · Score: 1
      But, thank you for reminding me -- I will teach him to document everything.
      Won't help - or, better, won't solve the problem. A 15 year old starting in IT with interest will learn very quickly.

      He will first get X to work using a crude hack which he doesn't understand. After a bit of time, he will understand the hack, refine it. After some more time, he will replace it with a solution instead of a hack - while having lost WHY the hack even started.

      I've seen this happen to my setups as well. Usually when i see a 4yr old setup i've made (i was 18 at that time) i will usually think "what idiot did this". And other people i know have the same problem - so it's not just me with my attitude problems ;)

      I don't want to discourage your brother from learning, but doing it in a completely productive environment has it's downfalls.

      Windows servers do occasionally have actual problems to solve
      I disagree. I run several windows servers. They didn't have any problems in the past few years. The exception of course being my "semi productive" machine (handling the test domain), which usually gets all sort of stuff tested on it. Windows machines don't randomly break, neither does Linux - Hardware does.

      By "workstation", I mean "desktop computer". I'm talking about 10 people, not 10 offices.
      And by "workplace" i meant "desktop computer". Sorry, english isn't my native language.

      But what is it that makes it inappropriate here? Consider:
      Linux on Desktops is a whole another topic which i'm not going to touch with a ten foot pole, because i lack any knowledge on that sector. I've used linux on my desktop from 2002-2005, but switched back to Windows when my primary job switched to administrating windows machines. I still read all my private mails with mutt and run irssi on windows, but for a SMB desktop, Linux isn't "Windows compatible" enough yet.

      Running a linux server for a SMB isn't a stupid idea, it's much cheaper, and gives you the same functionality you will use from a windows server anyway. But as your business grows, you might start to want a groupware, fine grained share permissions, push-based e-mail, ERP software, etc. pp.

    9. Re:IT Horrors? by CthulhuDreamer · · Score: 1

      "These guys have set them up with a fucking NT domain!"

          "It's called "Active Directory" or "Windows Domain"."

      Unless it really was an NT domain. My last job refused to pay for server upgrades, so the original NT servers and the NT domain are still in place. I'm assuming they'll be there until the drives burn out.

    10. Re:IT Horrors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      You're a computer tech and you don't want to learn anything new?

      On the contrary, I learn new things all the time -- just things I like to think of as useful. I don't want to learn Active Directory, because I'd much rather set people up with Linux, so I learn more about that -- and more abstract things like new programming languages.

      Because it's harder to administrate windows filesharing as the usernames aren't synced between the machines, and there's a limit on how many people can be connected at once (10 for pro, 5 for home).

      Samba can do more than that, and usernames are irrelevant -- remember box07, box08, etc? They all have access to everyone's files.

      Does your plumber teach you how to plumb your house? Does your auto mechanic teach you how to fix your car?

      I suspect my plumber would tell me some basic stuff -- like "I unclogged your pipes, but if you want them to stay that way, pour some Drano in every now and then." And, if I asked, they might tell me the best kind of Drano.

      You sound like you're pretty young and expect someone to hold your hand through learning anything new.

      It's actually not me that's the problem. I could learn all of this on my own, I'm just busy with other things, and not incredibly interested. It's the people in the office who need hand-holding -- and would very much like to be independent.

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    11. Re:IT Horrors? by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      I don't want to learn Active Directory, because I'd much rather set people up with Linux

      Neither do I, but then I don't want to do some administration of an Active Directory domain either.

      Samba can do more than that, and usernames are irrelevant -- remember box07, box08, etc? They all have access to everyone's files.

      Sure, Samba can, but windows filesharing sucks (which was really my main point). And if you're going to setup a dedicated Samba server, you really should make it a full domain controller. There's little point in doing P2P filesharing at that point. If you don't know anything about Samba (and few people do), then an NT Domain is a far better solution than windows filesharing. So I certainly wouldn't blame the techs for setting up a Domain. Also I'd still argue that the techs that set this thing up aren't taking advantage of what a domain can offer. A good tech isn't just a peon who maintains the systems like they were setup originally. Most of the time the boss won't have any clue as to what good IT practice is. A good tech will make recommendations and justify those recommendations in multiple ways in a language the business owner or office manager can understand.

      "I unclogged your pipes, but if you want them to stay that way, pour some Drano in every now and then." And, if I asked, they might tell me the best kind of Drano.

      Well, I'd say in your analogy teaching users how to administrate a domain is more like teaching them how to solder a new pipe. Non-plumbers do it all the time, and it's not terribly hard, but it's not something a plumber teaches end users, it's not something end users want to know how to do, but it is something that can get you in deep-doo-doo if you screw it up. The drano analogy is more like teaching a user to try rebooting if they've got a problem, or teaching them not to install junk software.

      It's the people in the office who need hand-holding -- and would very much like to be independent.

      Well, in general that's just a bad idea. End users shouldn't be doing technical stuff like administrating a domain, and it's a little irresponsible to teach them a point-and-click methodology to try to do that. You can be a genius, and still screw up your system because you don't have the knowledge to understand what you're doing.

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    12. Re:IT Horrors? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      And if you're going to setup a dedicated Samba server, you really should make it a full domain controller. There's little point in doing P2P filesharing at that point.

      Except that it's easy to set up (there's even a GUI for that now, I think), and it's about what they're used to. If I was going to really change things around there, it would be neither Samba nor domain controllers, it'd be a Linux fileserver, a ton of Linux desktops, and a single Windows application server. But that would be a huge project, and I can't make a good business case for it -- and there isn't too much short of that to hold my interest.

      Well, I'd say in your analogy teaching users how to administrate a domain is more like teaching them how to solder a new pipe.

      True enough. In this case, though, all they need to do is be able to setup a new box (and account), and probably tear down the old account and permissions. According to you, that's actually pretty easy -- so we give them a printed list of step-by-step instructions.

      Ideally, of course, I'd have a script to handle this for them. Input the name and mac/ip address of the new box, then a username and password, then: done. But it really does sound like that's about what you do anyway.

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  80. dangling diskette drive by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    Some years ago ( 2000-ish), I worked in the R & D department of a French software company. We were with about 20 engineers, and the company was investing its very last cash in development of the network management tool we had been working on for already 2 years. ( BTW: It was a major success: just in time, we were acquired by a major US software editor, no, thank Gawd not Microsoft ). Every evening, there would be a build of that day's version of the tool. It always involved the guy responsible for the build going downstairs to the server room; he would come up after a few minutes and run the build. After a few weeks, I grew so curious that I peeked into the server room while he was doing his trick: he was booting an old PC, built from bits of other discarded PC's, from a diskette. The diskette was in a diskette drive that dangled out of the PC, held back by the yellow-and-red electric wires. When I asked the guy about the "why" of this setup, he explained that our salaries were eating up the last of R & D funding, so he couldnot ask for a decent build server. Incredibly, the bits-and-pieces-PC held out until the acquisition by the Yanks. The day they arrived, however, we had to hide our "build server". They never knew...

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    1. Re:dangling diskette drive by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Some years ago ( 2000-ish) ...

      Wow! You were using computers back in the days of Christ?

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    2. Re:dangling diskette drive by waif69 · · Score: 1

      >Incredibly, the bits-and-pieces-PC held out until the acquisition by the Yanks. The day they arrived,
      >however, we had to hide our "build server". They never knew...

      They do now.

  81. The cable in the wall by akaiONE · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Here in Trondheim, Norway one of the weirdest IT-setups I've heard of comes from one of the largest high schools (let's keep them anonymous) in Norway.

    Four years ago (2003) The IT-department were to re-wire one of the older buildings (that had been refurbished in early 2000) and to get the job done they had to remove old cables from the building to give space to new ones. In the process of this they decided to make sure there was no devices still "live" on the LAN in the building. After shutting down all networked computers, printers, etc known to the techies they were a bit puzzled to find one switchport still alive, besides the uplink. To resolve the matter they followed the cable from the switch, down a hallway and.. straight into the far end brick wall.
    There was no doors in the wall, and when they went around to look for the cable exiting on the other side they found no trace of it. After a little investigation back at their office they found that the wall had been put up during the refurbishment more than 2 years earlier. They decided just to unplug the cable and proceed with their network re-wireing.

    Two weeks later the students and the employees returned to their building for a new term. They had only been there for a few hours when IT Support started getting calls about printing not working. A techie was dispatched to the building but could find no printer errors. The techie asked one of the employees to show him what they were trying to do when the error occured. The employee quickly pulled up a file and pushed print. No response.

    One week later and still no printing in the building the team that had been doing the network re-wireing was asked to resolve the matter. They unplugged all ports in the local switch and tried to put them back in one by one printing one page each time. Still no pages showed up at the printers. Then one of the techies decided to put the last cable in, it was left over from before the re-wireing. It was the cable that went into the wall. Right then, after putting the cable back in the printers all started spewing out documents queued up for printing. Confused by this the techie went back to the office and asked his boss to ask the janitor about the cable in the wall. The school janitor told them that he had no idea, so they had to go pull the blueprints of the building up for reviewing. After looking at the blueprints it turned out that the wall had been put up to mask a door into a part of the building that had been removed. On the side of that door there was another door.

    Armed with a sledge hammer the janitor and two techies returned to the building and smashed a hole in the wall at the point the prints said there was a door on the other side. Behind the wall they found a door, and inside was a little room with an old networked computer on a small table by a wall labeled "printserver", happily humming along. The room was full of dust and very hot. Within a few days the edges of the banged up wall was fixed, the dust removed and the door replaced with a new one. The printserver inside were left to do it's task.

    In the end the morale of this story must be that when refurbishing old buildings one should always consult IT about the network before -- not after the job is done. But we all know that, ofcourse.

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  82. Super Glue and Cable Ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not quite as crazy or funny as some of these but in my younger and not so professional days me and my faithful right hand man did the following (the we can remember) :

    1. We had Dell rack mountable servers but a server cabinet without the depth to properly rack them, we fitted them anyway but the rack (and of course the server) was overhanging out of the back of the cabinet by 4 inches or so. The weight meant this was likely to collapse at any time, our genius idea was to use cable ties (daisy chained together to give us the required length) to tie the over hanging rack to the holes in the cabinet. 3 years laters there still holding strong :-)

    2. Our old office "server room" was just a cupboard with computers crammed in it, you could access the front of the boxes but nothing else. We didn't have aircon so the boxes kept crashing, the solution was to remove ceiling tiles and allow the air grate to the outside to cool the cupboard, unsurprisngly it didn't work.

    3. We lost our keys to the cupboard when we moving office so we used a screwdriver to break the door open

    4. We were working a weekend (software rollout) and decided to play football with an old telephone handset as well as playing frisbee with the software install CD's

    5. On the topic of the CD frisbee's, we had a second floor storeroom at our old offices that we used to play frisbee in for hours on end whilst claiming to be working.

    I think thats all for now.

  83. How about a c64 radio network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Running a system to monitor weather & pollution stations with commodore 64's hooked to radios. It worked for ten years.

  84. Reporting Pyramid Of Death by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Recently I did a short stint for a household name UK company in their reporting department. They needed to report accurately on the performance of their call centres which were run on a number of Aspect ACDs, the call data from these ACDs were dumped into some kind of data warehouse.

    From their the department needed to create a reliable and accurate reporting infrastructure to deliver key business data throughout the company.

    What they had was a "primary layer" using Crystal Enterprise to create a number of huge spreadsheets containing the days data in large Excel files. The "secondary layer" were a Excel spreadsheets filled with VBA code to read the files created by Crystal process them a bit and output them as new files elsewhere. The "tertiary layer" was another lot of Excel spreadsheets filled with more VBA code to read the secondary layer and add drop down boxes and graphs etc to format the data. In some cases there was a "quatenary layer" which read the tertiary layer and did some more processing.

    Needless to say all the VBA in the Excel files was mainly recorded macros with no attempt to check whether any of the various files it relied on were present or showing the correct data. All the files were scattered willy nilly around the network and all of them had to be ran manually in the correct order every day.

    Frighteningly they had a huge backlog of further Excel files to write to do yet more processing and they were rebooting Crystal on a daily basis. I left after a couple of weeks because I didn't want to be around when the whole thing collapsed in a giant mess around their ears.

  85. Keep water and electricity separated by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    This reportedly happened at our corporate datacenter.

    Our then-CEO liked to appear on-stage and in the company's promo videos (he was quite good at that, mind you). One day, the film-crew was filming him in the "Class A datacenter" (it reportedly had these piezo-electric windows that you could darken with a remote-control).
    Anyway, the heat of the lamps somehow tripped the fire-alarms and the sprinklers went off.
    The water caused the fuses to trip, which in turn reportedly put the UPSs into force (causing more short-circuits, because of the water).
    I don't know how that worked.
    After the dust had settled, they needed several days of non-stop work to get things into shape again.

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  86. Bedlam DL3 by ravenlock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I believe you are referring to "Bedlam DL3".

    1. Re:Bedlam DL3 by z0idberg · · Score: 4, Funny

      That link just screams NSFW.

    2. Re:Bedlam DL3 by tom17 · · Score: 1

      heh, fantastic! Thats the one :)

    3. Re:Bedlam DL3 by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Heh. No kidding. "m sex change team .com"

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    4. Re:Bedlam DL3 by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      That is the most boring transsexual pr0n site I've ever seen...

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  87. Mobile phone under desk as production system by nexu56 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Until quite recently I worked at an Aussie telco, not one of the massive ones but in the top 5. I noticed the guy at the desk next to me had a mobile phone plugged into a charger, stashed on the floor under his desk, 24/7. I asked him about it once, and he darkly warned me never to unplug it, answer it if it rang, or otherwise touch it.

    I later discovered its purpose; basically it all came to do with "legacy" MMS messages, which are MMS to phones which don't have MMS capabilities (SMS only). The network instead sent the message to the customer as an email (SMTP, which is what MMS uses anyway), with the sender address of a certain "special" service. Apparently, due to the way the providers' network had been designed, if the GSM service it believed these messages were "from" was not "alive" on the HLR, it would refuse to send these thousands of legacy messages to customers.

    I always wondered what would happen if one of the cleaners came through afterhours and decided to help himself to a free phone...

  88. Long ago hack by The+Real+Stainless · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many years ago I was called on a Friday lunchtime by a very scared IT manager.

    The computer that was running their organisation had been struck by lightning.
    They offered me a lot of money to get the system up and running by monday 09.00.

    Naturally I accepted the challenge and made my way to the site, it was unbelievable.
    The lightning hadn't actual struck the computer, it had hit a power line 100 yards away, but the damage was incredible.

    I thought he was joking when he said it had melted.

    Well over the course of the weekend I managed to either build, repair, or source replacements for everything except the memory. It was now about 03.00 monday and I hadn't slept, eaten, or had a beer since about 12.00 Friday.

    Fed up by now I hacked up a little serial interface and connected it to one of the tape drives that had survived the blast, man those things were tough, then created a little board on vero that took a memory address and serialised it. This was hacked into the system and I punched in the boot code.

    10 minutes later, a monitor sprang to life.

    Well when I say sprang, it more like oozed to life.

    One character per second, you had to hold a key down until it appeared on screen then release it, but it was working.

    Amazingly all their records had survived as well! ( found out later that all the tape drives were run off a seperate mains feed with a surge supressor, at least one engineer must have known what he was doing.)

    They paid me off and ran like that for two days before they could get a replacement ram board.

  89. VHS backups by jdfox · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I used to be the internal LAN support at a large multinational hardware vendor. Most of the company was on Mac desktops and Unix servers, but the accounts department felt they were mavericks who could run their own IT, so they opted for DOS, Lotus 1-2-3 and a Netware server. OK guys, if you think you can do it better, then maybe you can. Go for it.

    They also figured that server backups were probably a good idea, since they routinely handled millions of pounds of transactions per day in that one office alone.

    And since they were accountants, they naturally picked the cheapest backup solution they could dig up, which was a 40-dollar backup box that used VHS video cassettes, underneath a beancounter's desk, right by his foot. I shit you not: every few weeks, it would occur to him that a backup hadn't been done in a while, so he'd shove the VHS cassette into the backup box with his foot, then nudge the start button with his foot, and return to counting beans. The cassette would pop out when it was finished, and that was proof positive for them of a job done properly. They never even bought a second VHS cassette. Amazingly, the thing never stretched to snapping point, but it was undoubtedly unusable for restores (it never occurred to them to do test restores), making it genuinely much, much worse than useless.

    At the office on the other side of town was the accounts department for another division. They also used VHS backups, but felt that doing backups was a bit beneath them really, so instead they had the office cleaner shove the VHS cassette into the 40-dollar backup box next to the office door every night on her way out. One night she was home with the flu, and hadn't left instructions for her replacement to do the "backup". Sure enough, the server crashed that night, and the stale backup wouldn't restore. The poor cleaner was immediately fired, but not the asshats who delegated mission-critical IT chores to a cleaner, on dimestore reject equipment.

    I felt duty-bound to tell these fucking morons that they were really making a false savings on backup equipment, and needed to buy real backup gear, with someone trained to monitor the state of the scheduled nightly backups and do scheduled test-restores. This company was pulling in 13 billion US dollars in revenue a year, so 1500 dollars for an internal tape drive and a copy of Cheyenne to protect hundreds of millions of dollars worth of data sounded like a pretty unbeatable deal to me.

    Not to them though. "You IT people", quoth a senior beancounter, shaking his head, when I took the purchase requisition to his desk for signature. "It's always more money for the latest damn thing, isn't it."

    Cheapest of all would have been for them to simply use the central Unix servers, which were run properly with tested and reliable disaster recovery by experienced sysadmins. I tried explaining that there'd be no change to their DOS PCs, and they'd still have the same F: G: and H: drives, with no visible change to their working environment. I even offered to pay for the new client software. They'd save money, and get vastly better care of precious data.

    The reply: "Heh heh heh! And then next year there'll be some reason why we all have to get rid of 1-2-3. And after that there'll be some reason why we have to get rid of DOS. No thanks! Heh heh heh! You guys never quit, do you!"

    1. Re:VHS backups by pdbaby · · Score: 1

      Why oh-why is there no "+5 Horrified"?

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    2. Re:VHS backups by SQL+Error · · Score: 2, Funny

      And they never found the body...

    3. Re:VHS backups by Maximilio · · Score: 1

      You should have, instead of arguing with the bean-counters, pointed out to the company auditors the depth of horrifying risk these morons were taking. Especially the entrusting of backup duties to the office cleaning crew.

    4. Re:VHS backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this does prove one point: If to have money you don't need to be smart... then why o my, if we are a smart set of people we are not rich? WTF are we doing wrong?

    5. Re:VHS backups by Megane · · Score: 2, Funny

      And then there's the old story about the pawn shop which used a VHS backup system. Why? Because they had gotten it from someone pawning it, and a bird in the hand and all that.

      The payoff was when the pawn shop got robbed. They got a wonderful shot of the perp on their surveillance tape of him pulling the backup tape out of its recorder, then waving it defiantly at the security camera.

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    6. Re:VHS backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We aren't sociopaths. Seriously.

  90. Over the years... by Shag · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm.

    Seen the whole machines-in-closets. A couple BBSes (QuartzBBS at Rutgers and later ISCABBS at UIowa) ran out of closets. I worked for a company whose mailserver was a 386 running BSD, in the coat closet.

    Also worked with a company that was running Advanced PICK (bizarre) atop SCO OpenSewer (bizarre) on an old beige Dell PowerEdge... sitting on the counter next to the sink in the men's room, because they had nowhere else to put it.

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  91. My favourite link by dallaylaen · · Score: 1

    http://www.42inc.com/~estephen/humor/support.txt

    It's really old, but it makes me smile time and time again.

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  92. Microsoft two-step by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

    Shrug and reboot....

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  93. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by daveytay · · Score: 1

    Stick it to the man. Reminds me of the time I was at UBC working in the "server room" and we had water running out of the ceiling onto the server rack. Mark went and got some plastic shield and thus a splash guard deflector was instantly fabricated. The Netware servers were saved. Turns out the building's third floor had a lab where they left a drip running but the bottle slipped and plugged the drain overnight. I think a splash guard is a good idea now for any mission critical rack. It is cheap as chips and simple. -- Ciao, Dave

  94. Wireless LAN by DoktorTomoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was that elderlish guy at a large german university where I used to work whose network was no longer working. We did the standard procedure (with 3000 machines spread over a city the size of Munich, you don't jump to the desaster area right away): Check if routers worked, pinged some machines in the building he was in, looked at the logs... to no avail: I had to go over to him (3km, in deepest winter, at -15C, with rush hour traffic jams that rendered cars basically unusable)... ... When I arrived, I ran some diagnostics on the machine, but it seemed there really was no network connected. I checked the cable box in the wall and the one on his machine. We used to deploy 10m-cables, because some genius bought them in bulk, and the PHB figured the were "cheaper" because of this bulk-buying - even if the distance between wall and machine was less than a meter.

    Well, the cable was connected both to the wall, and to the computer. Unfortunately, it was clearly CUT right in the middle. When I questioned that elder superhero, he stated that he found out years ago that you could use a copper cable as an TV antenna, and he received a memo the day before that WiFi was now available in all university buildings - so he decided to cut the Cat5 to serve as a WiFi antenna....

  95. The Curious Case of the Magic SCSI Clock by jolyonr · · Score: 5, Funny

    A while ago I ran an Amiga software development company. Our designer (Mark) had an Amiga 4000 with various external SCSI devices running off a notoriously unreliable Commodore A4091 SCSI card.

    I went to his desk once trying to access a file on his external drives, and I kept getting disk errors. I called him over, and he said "Oh! That disk won't work unless you open up the system clock and resize it to this kind of size, and put it on the screen here". He opened the old analogue-face clock program that came with the amiga, resized it to about 200 pixels square, and stuck it in the top right of his screen.

    I stood there smiling. He was, after all, a designer.

    The file opened fine though after he did that.

    I did some messing around on his machine afterwards. I was convinced there was some kind of obscure problem that we were missing - incorrect termination or bad cables maybe. I put the clock incident down to coincidence.

    I could find nothing else wrong - but I still couldn't access the disk. So, I opened the clock application. I tried it on one side of the screen. File would not open. Moved it to the top right corner. The file opened. I did this about ten times as I couldn't believe the results myself. Every time I had the clock in the top right corner, the external SCSI disk behaved itself. I tried different applications, none of them worked in the same way - it had to be the clock.

    I was completely spooked by the whole thing, and decided this was something sent by the Gods of SCSI to taunt me. The logical side of my mind believes that it is probably some obscure DMA issue, the rest of my mind believes the machine was possessed.

    The thing I was never able to figure out was how Mark discovered the SCSI-healing properties of the Magic Amiga Clock and why he felt it was perfectly normal behaviour for his machine!

    Jolyon

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    1. Re:The Curious Case of the Magic SCSI Clock by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My old-ish CRT monitor makes different whining noises depending on the content of the screen.

      Your problem may have been a matter of EM emissions from the monitor cable: when the clock was positioned in that way, the EM from the monitor and/or its cable were such that they didn't interfere with the SCSI cable's signal.

    2. Re:The Curious Case of the Magic SCSI Clock by PineGreen · · Score: 1

      Ah, very interesting. Could it be the colour - interference thingy? I remember hearing a similar story, it boiled down to the fact that if you made your screen black enough it produced less interference and things begun to work... This could explain it if clock was a big black surface and everything else was whiteish (or viceversa) and why you needed big enough clock on the right place of the desktop to make it work...

    3. Re:The Curious Case of the Magic SCSI Clock by Krunch · · Score: 1

      Makes me remember this story.

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    4. Re:The Curious Case of the Magic SCSI Clock by abb3w · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:The Curious Case of the Magic SCSI Clock by greed · · Score: 1

      On my Amiga 2000, with a GVP 68030 accelerator board in it, I always had flaky SCSI issues. Find with just an HDD, but stick a tape drive out back, and wonky.

      Then one day, for a different machine and a different reason, I bought a pair of "active" SCSI terminators (pull-to-2.5V) for the internal and external connectors. I tried them out on the Amiga before getting ready to install them on the Linux server I really bought them for. Using them instead of the "passive" (pull-to-5V) terminators built-in to the drives made a world of difference, even with questionable hardware borrowed from work.

      After that, I ditched all the passive terminators I had and went active everywhere. Not only did things work a lot better, but there were pretty green lights on them to tell me when there was TERMPWR on the bus.

      Gotta have pretty green lights around.

  96. Where do I start... by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) The computer room floor built with a 4 foot void rather than 4 inches because the builder read the plans wrong. Mid you, there was room for a lot of kit in this 'split level' computer room.

    2) The Netware 3.x file server which was a Toshiba T3200 plasma screen laptop locked inside a filing cabinet (a very secure solution on a military base). While I was working on it, a telephone began to ring in the next drawer up. I mentioned this to someone as nobody seemed to have heard it and the reply was "Oh, we don't answer that one"

    3) The Olivetti M24 (AT&T 6300) that lived in a milking shed in the middle of a dusty field that eventually died and had to have a 2-3 inch layer of 'field' vacuumed out.

    4) The computer room built with the existing radiators walled in but not turned off - took ages for the aircon guys to figure out why the room never cooled to the calculated temp.

    5) The installation test of a new halon system (with a cylinder of CO2) where the engineers had not properly screwed the nozzle onto the 'j' pipe in the centre of the room. When the system was fired, the nozzle shot through the false ceiling, the gas followed it and the pressure blew down all the ceiling ties - the computer room looked like a scene from Die Hard.

    6) The school network that comprised 5+ 'backbones' of 10Base2, each with around 20-30 D-Link *hubs* wired directly to cat5 outlets. Netware servers strategically placed round the building acted as repeaters with 2-3 NICs in each. We also found some Cat4 cable buried directly into the walls (no trunking).

    7) 140m of Ethernet coax buried below a school field to link two buildings.

    8) The over-length Token Ring network that included specially designed and developed repeaters that had to be 'tuned' using a screwdriver to adjust variable resistors to get the timing 'just right' so that the whole thing worked.

    I have to add that I was *always* the support person brought in to sort things out - not the one creating the mess.

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    1. Re:Where do I start... by TheMCP · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, I had one place hire me to sort out their IT... they had a weird proprietary wiring system that worked only with weird proprietary network cards and talked only to a weird proprietary server. I've never seen any of this garbage before or since. All the wires were about 1/2" thick and were run along the hallways, because they'd never heard of the idea that you could have wiring *installed*. And the server was down most of the time, they'd actually poke at it once a day until it went up for an hour or so so they could exchange files, before it crashed again.

      So, I spent about $200,000 having actual ethernet installed and replacing all the computers in the (relatively small) company since everything they had was so ancient it couldn't even be connected to a contemporary network, set up a nice reliable server and backups, and after several months of intense work had everything running.

      Then just as it was all stable, the boss called me into his office and explained calmly that our lease on the space we were in would be running out and he'd decided that we were in fact going to move, so I should plan the move of our network and equipment, bring in my wiring contractor to handle the new space, and ensure that we'd be back up and running in the new space in minimal time. Okay, no problem boss, when will we be moving? "In about half an hour." That's right folks, he didn't bother telling anybody that we'd be moving until half an hour before we did it, and I had just spent large amounts of money wiring a space we were about to move out of. And then for the new space of course you can't get a good wiring contractor on half an hour's notice, so all I could do was get a pile of long 10-base-T cables delivered and distribute hubs throughout the space and tape wires to the floor. I wanted to cry.

      A few weeks later a psychotic middle manager who hated me because she couldn't understand what I did managed to push me out of the company and replace me with some kid who didn't even know what half the stuff I'd installed was, but he was willing to kowtow to her. I was terminated for "insubordination", for the unforgiveable offense of telling the kid that he couldn't plug the high volume laser printer into the UPS for the main server because it would overload the UPS and result in a shutdown. While the middle manager was gleefully screaming at me about what a nasty horrible person I am and that I was fired, the UPS was screaming from overload. I hear the UPS took the server down about 5 minutes after I walked out the door, and I knew offhand that that particular UPS, once it overloaded, would refuse to come back up until it'd had a (timed) 4 hour cooldown period. So, after the server I'd installed had been stable for a year, it died 5 minutes after I walked out the door and the new guy just couldn't make it go.

      They'd also forgotten to ask me to tell them anything, like the admin passwords for any of the workstations, the BIOS passwords for anything, etc, which of course as a professional I would have been happy to tell them right up until they escorted me out the door. A week later they realized that they had hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment that they couldn't reconfigure. They wheedled someone at the company I'd been friendly with to ask me for the passwords. I asked her "Did they offer to give you anything, like maybe a bonus, if you get the passwords out of me?" She said no. I told her that come to think of it I'd forgotten all the passwords since I didn't need them any more.

    2. Re:Where do I start... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Funny

      While I was working on it, a telephone began to ring in the next drawer up. I mentioned this to someone as nobody seemed to have heard it and the reply was "Oh, we don't answer that one"

      Awesome. That could be straight out of a Douglas Adams novel.

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    3. Re:Where do I start... by GWBasic · · Score: 1
      They'd also forgotten to ask me to tell them anything, like the admin passwords for any of the workstations, the BIOS passwords for anything, etc, which of course as a professional I would have been happy to tell them right up until they escorted me out the door. A week later they realized that they had hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment that they couldn't reconfigure. They wheedled someone at the company I'd been friendly with to ask me for the passwords. I asked her "Did they offer to give you anything, like maybe a bonus, if you get the passwords out of me?" She said no. I told her that come to think of it I'd forgotten all the passwords since I didn't need them any more.

      Did you try:

      • I'd like my job back, with a raise, and the person who fired me fired.
      • How much are the passwords worth to you?
  97. A Human Dumb Terminal by el_munkie · · Score: 1

    I was working for a small newspaper as a Photoshop monkey. Being semi-competent in Linux, I was pleased when the company switched to OSX from OS9 since I would be able to play with something resembling a modern operating system. The IT staff was still stuck in the OS9 mentality, so I was the one that fixed computers when they broke.

    Keep in mind that the photo department doesn't generally employ technically proficient people, they're usually of a more artsy background. My former employer, surprisingly, had promoted two technically proficient photographers to photo editor positions, but the third, incompetent one, was quite a problem. She called me one night in a panic to solve a problem we commonly had with photos that came down from the AP wire. She was the only one on duty at the time

    For our paper, the AP photos came in via satellite and were temporarily stored on one of two aging OS9 G4s. The database software, which was used for layout and image storage, would grab the images, extract caption data, and store them on what I believe was a Sun server somewhere. After the designers placed the image on a page, it would go to the engravers, which would Photoshop the image so that it appeared correctly when printed. However, the machines the engravers worked on were OSX. Sometimes, for no good reason, a photo that we had to have came down the wire with a filename that had a leading period. OS9 machines, the ones that caught the images coming from the wire, had absolutely no problem with this. However, whenever the engraver saved the file out to his OSX machine, nothing would appear in the target directory since a leading period in OSX and other Unices hides the file.

    So, I'd just gotten off the bus after a long night at work when the editor calls and wants me to come back in to fix this trivial problem. It's 11pm and I don't want to ride the bus all the way back across town without being paid for it, so over the phone I coach a woman who has never heard the word terminal used in this context to "Click on the hard drive icon, the one at the top right of your screen. No, you have to minimize such and such first, you minimize by clicking on this, it's located here... Are you seeing the icons on your desktop? No? What do you see? Hit Apple+M. It is the button with the weird symbol between CTRL and ALT. OK, now go to Applications. Click on it. Go to Utilities. Click on it. Go to Terminal. Click on it."

    After that I just gave up on instructing her on what to do and moved down a layer of abstraction to tell her exactly what keys to press. The fix was trivial, you had to go to the terminal and do a mv .filename filename, something I could have done in seconds if I'd had access to the company network but which took thirty minutes over the phone with a panicked, menopausal woman on a deadline.

    1. Re:A Human Dumb Terminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SSH tunneling is what you are looking for.

    2. Re:A Human Dumb Terminal by sfgoth · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, for no good reason, a photo that we had to have came down the wire with a filename that had a leading period.

      So the bizarre IT setup here is using a leading '.' to make files invisible, right?

    3. Re:A Human Dumb Terminal by bastardblaster · · Score: 1

      what does ssh tunnelling have to do with this? A leading period defines a hidden file in BSD-based (OSX) and linux systems but not in OS9.

  98. Seen it? I built it! by nojayuk · · Score: 1

    Olden days, I was doing microprocessor coding for robotics. We used an assembler/linker package running on a couple of 16-bit minicomputers. One machine had enough RAM to do the assembly, the other had a hard disk that let us do the link of the object code to produce an image we could blow into an EPROM. Neither machine could do both parts.

    Problem was the two machines were in adjacent rooms and networking was nonexistent. We'd run the assembly process, produce a paper tape of the object code, carry it to the other machine and then feed it into its paper-tape reader to do the link. This took a lot of time which delayed development.

    I noticed the assembly process ran quite quickly but the linker machine was noticeably slower, and the machines weren't actually that far apart in reality. I got a couple of empty paper-tape spools and clamped them to the doorframes to act as guides, then I took an assembly tape being punched by the first machine out its room, around the doorframe, into the next room and fed it into the other machine's reader. A garbage bin acted as buffer storage for overflow tape, and it worked. I had to baby-sit it in case of jams or tangles but it cut the total assembly/link processing time by at least an hour.

  99. Distributed file storage by mce · · Score: 2, Funny

    Once upon a time (+-1989), we had a set of some 50 Apollo workstations linked up via a Token Ring network. Not only did that ring have a habit of being physically broken every so often, the worst part was that there was no file server. Everybody stored his own files on his own machine. Project accounts were housed on the machine of the project owner. Nice and orderly, huh?

    Well... except for the fact that there were people who didn't have a personal machine. Their data was initially housed on the machine of someone they cooperated most with. When disks filled up, new people without a machine would end up on whatever disk happened to have spare capacity. Then we (or rather "they", as I was there but not part of the IT gang) found that the amount of data people store over time outgrows the size of their disks, especially if you have shared project accounts. So ever so often, accounts had to be moved around. And sure enough, before you knew it the owner of the machine to which some high profile project had just been moved would complain that his box was overloaded doing other people's I/O. And just when that had been sorted out, there typically would be a reorganisation involving people switching offices or desks. Sometimes the machine followed its owner (not all were equally fast and some of them had black&white displays that nobody wanted to inherit), but most often IT would object to moving the boxes. By now the physical link between the data and its owner is totally gone. In the end, most people didn't have a clue what machines their files were stored on.

    And now the fun really starts. We relied a lot on students and interns. In those days, if a student had seen a computer before, either it was a Commodore 68 or an early standalone PC. They didn't have a clue what the network was used for, so whenever they were done and went home, they'd physically switch off the machine they had been using. To make matters worse, even just keeping employee data storage away from the student machines was not an option, because there were not nearly enough student machines around. Typically, students would use the machine of an employee who happened to be out of the office on that day or during that night. Oh, what sweet memories... Not!

    Not to mention the backup problems... Nor the fact that we also had a parallel experimental ethernet network with non-Apollo machines, of couse also without a proper file server. After a while, some data was being stored there instead. Now where the ... did I save that f... file last week???

  100. Re:the U-Bend AKA trap by un1xl0ser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can we please put the 'itsatrap' tag to good use folks?

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  101. Air conditioning workaround by spywhere · · Score: 1

    Central air conditioning has an engineering limitation: at extremely low outside temperatures, it fails. Most people are not affected by this...
    I worked at a company with a windowless server room buried in the middle of the IT department. On the coldest day of the year, the AC quit. We had to open all the doors, and use fans to circulate air out of the server room. Needless to say, the staff -- especially those nearest the doors -- complained about this endlessly.
    I told the CIO, an old friend of mine, that we should run a single 12" duct through the drop ceiling from an outside wall to the server room, and put a fan in the room to pull in the subfreezing outdoor air next time this happened. Of course, when the AC came back on, he forgot all about this... until the next year, when the temperature plunged and the AC failed again. (He gave me a look that said, "Don't say it... I know you Told Me So...).

    Within two days of that second failure, workers were running a flexible duct through the ceiling.

  102. Fax transmittal of customer database corrections by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work for an outsourcing support company. The ISP/Cableco who was our client shall remain nameless, but here's what happened: They transitioned to a completely new billing system and whoever sold it to them had assured them the record would transition seamlessly from the old system, but they didn't. A percentage (forgot how many) of customer records had been goofed up in the transition. To fix this the home office needed copies of certain screens (about five different ones for each account) from the old billing system, so they knew what values to type in by hand on the new system.

    They didn't have the time at the office to look up all these records themselves. Their solution was for us, the company providing customer support, to (I'm not making this up) take screen captures of the needed screens on the old billing system, print them out, and fax them to the home office halfway across the country. This faxing had to be done after normal business hours as our machine had to be free for other use during the day. Anyway, to give you an idea how much paper this was wasting, we were measuring usage by the ream, not the sheet. All of this paper was being fed through an autofeed on the fax/copier that would occasionally jam up, too. I volunteered for this assignment for the overtime.

    Anyway, things were moving slowly and bugging from the fax/copier hiccups (this was a 30,000 page/month duty cycle copier that was used at closer to 50,000 pages according to HR) at about 2:00am I came up with a better idea, why are we printing these out and wasting all this paper when we can send them the screen shots themselves? I was noticing the readability was quite poor from some samples we sent back and forth with the other side. So we pasted the screen shots into Word documents, and then we tried to send the enormous Word documents over email, but the company's email server was complaining about the attachment size.

    Well a co-worker had a GMail account he had been playing around with (this is when GMail was brand new, so he had gotten an invite for it) so we decided to try it because of the 10MB attachment limit. We could just upload the files and give the other side the log-in info and they could download the attachments at their leisure. Well, that didn't work out either, I think some of the files may have been too big or there was an issue getting the files uploaded, I don't remember anymore. But it didn't work out.

    My next idea was to go back to faxing, but paperless. There was one workstation that had a dial-up modem instead of a NIC card, it was normally used to test access numbers for dial-up ISPs clients we had, but we hadn't used it in so long we didn't remember the login name to get into it, the password we were pretty sure of. After trying to guess it for a couple minutes I got the idea of booting the machine using a Knoppix CD and looking in C:\Documents and Settings\ to see what user folders were there (as I'd spot the correct login name amongst them). After we got logged into the machine we used a flash drive to transfer the files from the other machines we had been using to compile the Word screen shot documents. Then we'd open a document and fax it using Windows XP's built-in fax capabilities to the fax machine at the home office. So soon we had an over 50 page Word file printing over fax to the east coast with several more just like it queued up. It was moving slow but seemed to be working. The idea was we could now leave and let the machine fax the rest of the night.

    I was excused to go home about 4am. I came in the next day around 1:30pm and found the fax calls had been interrupted around nine that morning. Apparently the home office had called because the same page was repeating over and over again on their side (which they naturally claimed must be an issue from our end). I didn't hear how they finished getting the records transmitted, but I think they went back to paper faxing again.

    Now that I think about this, It would have probably been a better idea (if we'd had more than one day to do this) to just to take the huge Word documents and burn them to a CD and then Overnight the CD to the home office.

  103. VTC room with closet full of desktop PCs by eagl · · Score: 1

    The best I've seen is in a place I can't talk about very much, however...

    The room is a brand-new medium sized conference room with full global video-teleconference capability. The table seats about 20-30 people, and each seat has either one or two computers feeding a single LCD/kb/mouse per seat via an A/B switch. The funny part is that the requirement of how many seats would have 0, 1, or 2 computers grew between concept development and implementation, but they never sourced any kind of rackmount setup or even any place to put that many computers. So in the closet are dozens of PCs (mostly Dells) lying on their sides stacked from the floor nearly to the ceiling, hooked into 2 separate networks that must never be connected together.

    I heard a good story about what happened when a computer near the bottom of the stack failed... It took half a day to unwire, unstack, fix, re-stack, re-wire, and then re-wire again because they'd hooked up the wrong computers to some of the conference table seats. I'm sure we "saved" a bunch of money going with all those Dells instead of a rack of blades or whatever, and the computers by themselves fit the requirements, but maintaining them is quite a chore.

  104. the 50 cent U-Bend problem solution by Mariani · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Pour some olive oil in the U-Bend, it takes ages to evaporate, stops the smell and doesn't clug the pipe should it be needed.

    1. Re:the 50 cent U-Bend problem solution by StrandedOrg · · Score: 1

      Or you could just invest in a trap primer and not do damage to the water system

    2. Re:the 50 cent U-Bend problem solution by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Engine oil doesn't go rancid.

      In arid states like Colorado, there are rest stops on the Interstate that have silicone water traps in the urinals to prevent them evaporating, but it's harder to get silicone oils in small quantities.

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  105. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Bertie · · Score: 1

    Hmm. Sounds like our server room. In the summer we throw the windows open and have one fan blowing air in through one window, and another blowing air out through another. There's a thermometer attached to the inside of the window in the door so that anybody walking past can see the temperature and take action if it gets too hot. It's a terrible bodge, but the old building can't cope with more air-con than it already has, apparently.

  106. Where to begin, where to begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our "server room" is absolutely tiny. We have two full 42U racks in there but to get new stuff in them you have to take them to bits first, they do not fit through the door. The only access to them is from the front, you cannot get around the sides or back. Getting servers in is possible only because I have long arms. Getting them out requires twisting the rack rails until the clips pop and then putting your arm under the rack enclosure (nice and safe) to get them. We have UPS for everything but its never been setup and someone chucked out all the software and documentation.

    Most of one of the two racks is full of desktop machines stacked on top of each other using 15U of space for a job which could be easily done by one new 1u box.

    Normally the rails need to be bent back into shape with a hammer and pliers, sometimes we just have to throw them away. Heaven forbid you have to swap a cable from the back of a rack as you cant unplug them before pulling the chassis forward. All the cables are left unscrewed because of this, except for network cables which have to be ripped out. This often damages the ports beyond repair after a while. We do not use patch panels.

    All of our core operations servers are out of warranty. All of the RAID arrays are degraded and cannot be rebuilt from the OS. None of the management tools work.

    It was over a year after I arrived that I noticed our Exchange server (100+ mailboxes) & Windows 2003 was running on a system with 256MB RAM. Regularly swapping out 4GB on to the RAID5 array.

    90% of our servers are not in the server room. Mostly they are piled into corners in little hills starting with the biggest and the bottom. This is particularly dangerous as our Building leaks and it isnt unusual to see water streaming down the walls after heavy rain. Often parts of the roof collapse because they are so water logged, often without warning. It has been known for me to be racing to unplug a machine and move it underneath some roof which is about to fall in.

    Our network core has a variety of colour schemes in use, all by different people, all different schemes. The result is pretty but useless in any practical way. Many of the cables are no longer used but knotted in with our cable so tightly the only way to get them out is use a knife.

    When I arrived we had a firewall in place but it was not configured and none of our public machines were covered. You could browse the power management interface and reset all of the machines.

    Nobody knows how anything works except for me, and even then I often forget things. I have no idea how the telephone system works so most people have someone elses name as their caller Id.

    I suggested remote backup but it was veto-ed as being too expensive so I just do it to my home for now. My ISP doesn't seem to mind the usage which is handy.

    An ancient laptop we use for connecting to other organisations VPNs regularly gets infested with virii and has to be rebuilt. All of the vpn clients we use are incompatible with each other.

    1. Re:Where to begin, where to begin. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot figure out why you would continue to work at such a place, but I've got it down to two possibilities:

      1. Your company knows exactly how indispensable you are and pays you extremely well to put up with all this nonsense. Maybe they even threw in a liability waiver absolving you of any blame when their house of cards inevitably comes crashing down.

      2. You're batshit crazy.

      So, which is it?

  107. Network Monitoring "System" by spywhere · · Score: 1

    I opened the Help Desk at 7 AM every morning for a company with sites in several states. Previously, if a server or a link was down, it would often go undiagnosed until 8:30 or 9 AM because not enough people would call the Help Desk to complain until then.

    I wrote a simple batch file that would ping every server on the WAN with two packets, dump the results to a text file, and open the file in front of me when I logged in. I would search the file for the word "timed" (Request timed out) and start troubleshooting and notifying by 7:05. The CIO, who came in at 7:15, loved knowing that his network was up (or not) as he walked into the building.
    The only problem was, my old buddy the CIO was paying for an expensive network monitoring system, which I ignored completely because it was cumbersome, expensive, and I had never learned to use it. One morning, after I had scrambled resources to track down a server outage reported by my batch file, he insisted that I work with the network admin to track the problem through that system.

    Half an hour later, I went to his office. "Dave, I found the details of the failure in the monitoring system: it couldn't ping the Exchange server in Michigan..." which, we both knew, was exactly what the batch file had told me earlier that day.
    He never bothered me about that system again...

  108. My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are some you've seen?

    In a high-security building, running 10 Mbps Ethernet over fiber for fear of radiating information. Another building had simply been built as a Faraday cage.

  109. internal modems and potted plants by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 1

    Awhile back we needed to run a length of telephone cable (probably around 100') in an emergency. Only problem is we didn't have near that length handy, but we had a bunch of shorties.
    Damn! nothing to connect those together with.

    Hey! A ton of machines in this building have internal modems that they aren't using... lets snag those. The line input and telephone input should work for us.

    Voila. Put a plant in front of each modem, and you've got a temporary extension cord =-)

  110. Simpsons did it... by lewko · · Score: 1

    It's drinking the water!

    It's going back for more! Ee-heee-heeeee!! This is the greatest invention. You're gonna make a million dollars!!

    (Some asshole is even selling one on eBay "as seen on the Simpsons".

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  111. More Security by Obscurity by Dragged+Down+by+the · · Score: 1

    Story 1: My first network position was at a Credit Union in Toronto. ARCnet, LAN Manager, network boot disks, the whole frigging shebang, all installed by a consultant, now long gone. One day, the HR department had a major system failure - no one could log on. Hours of troubleshooting revealed that they were on a completely separate Novell network, with a hub, file server all hidden in a closet that no one, I mean no one (except the consultant) knew about. Secure? Yes! Story B: Our air con in the server room was terminal, when I'd walk in to operations early in the morning, there'd be the female computer operators sitting there in their underwear. Downside: wrinkles.

  112. Power problems by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Twelve years ago, I worked in the I.T. department of a small private college in upstate New York (around 4000 students). Our main server room was fairly meticulous and well set-up (we had a perfectionist geek as the main sysadmin at the time). One summer, that building was scheduled for new electrical service to some new science labs in the upper floors of the building. A few hours after the electricians showed up, they came running to our offices and insisted we follow them down to the basement. There, they showed us the wiring to our server room, installed just a couple of years earlier: it was not actually physically connected. The wires had a small gap, and the electricity was simply arcing over. One serious bump of the box would probably move them enough to cut our power.

    So their first task was to fix this. They would turn off the power for 30 minutes while we ran all the servers on UPSs, then temporarily reconnect power for awhile to recharge the UPSs, then turn off the power again and work... took all day at this rate.

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    1. Re:Power problems by ethanms · · Score: 1

      The wires had a small gap, and the electricity was simply arcing over I'm sorry dude, but out of all the BS flowing thru this thread I MUST call shenanigans on this one...

      If there were any type of "gap" between the buses in the breaker box and the wiring headed out to the circuit the power would simply be off at the outlets.

      Arcing requires a huge amount of current and that would have quickly blown breakers somewhere along the line or caused a fire/meltdown after any appreciable amount of time.
    2. Re:Power problems by Dekortage · · Score: 1

      I'm not an electrician so I can't answer what you're saying -- but I saw this myself. It was an extremely small gap, and extremely small arc, but it simply wasn't attached properly.

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  113. TippEx on Monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not so much a setup but a work-around gone wrong.

    I worked (briefly) on the computer system for the Iirsh Police Force - 'An Garda Siochana' http://www.garda.ie/ containing all of the 'Bad Guy' data. It was astonishingly slow due to incredibally poor coding and a crap network.

    One day a few moitors were returned from a divisional station to the hardware section in HQ with dots of TippEx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipp-Ex covering the screen.

    Bewildered, the monitors were replaced, but curiosity got the better of one of the hardware guys who decided to go on site a see for himself the Guards in action.

    Since the system was so slow, the Sergeant working on Warrants, who would have to jump between the Incident screen - to the Charge screen to the Warrant screen, would place TippEx dots on the screen to indicate where he had to click. The Sergeant would click the dots in a particular order and go for a cup of tea or a cigarette. On his return he would find the cached clicks would have brought him to the correct screen.

    The system worked (fine considering the system) until another Sergeant with a completely different responsibility came along, copied his idea, and put his own set of dots.

    Soon after, the monitors were filled with dots, and nobody knew which was which.

  114. Car maintenance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked in a large Data Centre in the mid 80's, with long wide ramp to bring up pallets of paper for the printers. One quiet weekend we drove a car into the room and popped a row of floor tiles out to create an instant inspection pit.

  115. Server Closet + A/C + Humidifier by JerkBoB · · Score: 1

    I know some of my former colleagues read /., so maybe they'll spot this (hi guys!).

    When I was sysadmin for a certain Boston-based startup, we moved into new digs that didn't include a proper server room. What I wound up with was a tiny office with enough room for a couple of 42U racks. This being our build farm, you might imagine that it got pretty hot in there. It did, and leaving the door open didn't help. Nor did setting up a couple of fans.

    I knew I wasn't going to get a real server room, and we weren't going to get a separate A/C system for just this tiny little room. So, I decided to sell my boss on a portable A/C unit. Not one of the window units; one of the freestanding units with a flexible exhaust duct. I didn't want to snake the duct out the door (it was about 1.5' in diameter), and the room wasn't near an outside wall (not that I would have been able to cut through the wall anyhow). So I bought an adapter for the end of the duct that allowed it to replace a ceiling tile. Problem solved? Nope.

    The A/C was exhausting nicely into the space above the ceiling tiles, but for some reason it was just not working very efficiently. I climbed up on a chair and looked around, and realized that the walls extended above the tiles all the way up to the true ceiling. Crap. So, I decided to make some after-hours "modifications" involving a drywall saw. Presto, some stealth vents into the surrounding areas. Problem solved? Almost.

    The thing about A/C is that it dries the air as it cools it. In the winter, you don't notice too much condensation. In the summer, that damned tank fills up every few hours. And the unit shuts down before the tank overflows, which is good, but it means that the server room has a tendency to get really hot before someone gets in to lug the stupid tank all the way to the other side of the offices to the sink.

    So, with an online order for a submersible pump (like for fountains), a couple of float switches, some pvc tubing, and a visit to the home goods store on the first floor, I've got a solution to the condensation problem: A humidifier on the outside of the server room! Yes, I know, I'm a genius. Email me for details about where to send the MacArthur grant.

    It actually worked pretty well. Of course, a real server room with a real HVAC system designed by an actual HVAC engineer would have been best. But sometimes you just don't get what you want. In a later job, I did actually get to build out my own server room. Proper A/C was at the top of my list. :)

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  116. New York's Penn Station Goes BSOD by Dekortage · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has been in New York City's Pennsylvania Station (Manhattan's train terminal for Amtrak, Long Island Railroad, and New Jersey Transit) has seen the television screens with the arrival and departure times. These look like fairly basic systems (simple white text on a black background). I commute into the city, so I'm there every day. A while back I was waiting for my train when the departure screens suddenly switched to the Windows blue screen of death (complete with error codes, etc.). It was like that the next day as well. I really wished there was a ctl-alt-delete button beneath the departure board.....

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    1. Re:New York's Penn Station Goes BSOD by British · · Score: 1

      I've seen it happen in Amsterdam's airport as well, on their nice monitors hanging overhead.

    2. Re:New York's Penn Station Goes BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen that kind of thing happen on one of these giant electronic advertising boards in Rome's Termini (main train station). Except it looked more like a virus and was fixed about 2 days later.

    3. Re:New York's Penn Station Goes BSOD by kgpantone · · Score: 1

      LOL, I remember this event...Similar happens at the Seacacus Transfer station as well. They get windows errors on nearly every screen at some point or another. They recently upgraded the graphics on the boards in the STS...I wonder if they upgraded the Win2kPro machines they were running on as well?

  117. iterate (v): by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    See iterate(v).

  118. The host named "host" by SnappingTurtle · · Score: 1

    I ran a small network whose file server was a Linux box named "host". The person who set it up had never set up a server before, and all the instructions used host (in italics) to describe how to install it. So he named the machine "host". The problem was that so many configurations had "host" that I never had the time to go around and change everything.

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    1. Re:The host named "host" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a Windows domain called "Workgroup". Don't ask ... it predates me. I don't know why we haven't fixed this WTF.

  119. Re: Wash? Nerd? Regularly? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    You expect the nerds running the server to wash themselves regularly? Preposterous!!! Surprised though, they noticed that the server room stank up once a month.

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  120. Server 54, Where Are You? by v1 · · Score: 1

    A fun story was posted here a year or so ago, http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010409S0012 , about a server that had been running for awhile without anyone knowing where it was at. When they tried to track it down, they finally discovered it had been entombed withinin a wall of a building.

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  121. cleaning tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10 years ago, the sysadmin of our department left the company (and the country), and somebody else
    became responsible for the backups and other IT tasks. After some time, one of the server disks
    got broken. This disk contained several years of work, so retrieving the data was very important.
    It didn't took long to learn that all the backups were made on a cleaning tape. Restoring from old
    tapes was not possible because nobody knew how the previous sysadmin made the backups, and he
    was not reachable anymore. Lucky for us, the company of the server was still able to get all data
    from the broken disk.

  122. 'Tis better to look good than feel good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One company I worked for redesigned their data center. The guy in charge wanted to make it a "show place" so he had a glass wall installed at one end. Since the ops consoles were at the other end of the room, it was decreed that nothing over 3 feet high could be placed between the glass on the ops area so as to preserve the view. That blew half the room. He then had all the racks on the other side set up at a 30 degree angle to the floor tiles so visitors could see down the rows. Great, until anyone needed to get at wiring under the raised floor. He later complained when we had to remove the glass doors from the from the front of several cabinets to keep servers from overheating. Of course, this was partially due to the inability to place vent tiles were they needed to be. But it looked good...

  123. Long-range Ethernet by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

    I used to have friends who lived two houses away from each other. They wanted to split the cost of just-introduced cable Internet and also play network games together, so they got a 500-foot ethernet cable and laid it just under the sod, connecting their two homes while going around the house in between. They called their creation, aptly enough, "network neighbourhood".

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    1. Re:Long-range Ethernet by Matthaeus · · Score: 1

      Technically speaking, that's outside of spec for 100 Mbit ethernet. It has to do slightly with signal attenuation, but more so with collision detection. 100TX collision detection relies the fact that the first bit frame reaches its destination before the final bit has been transmitted. If this doesn't happen and a collision occurs, then the packet will not be retransmitted because the sender doesn't realize that the collision alarm was meant for it. The length of a 56-bit packet is roughly 112 meters (367 feet). It's possible to exceed this if you meet one of several criteria:

      1. Ensure that no packets under a certain size will be present on your network. I've never tried this, don't know if it can be done, especially if you have "smart" hubs or switches that might fragment packets on their own.

      2. Ensure that there will never be a collision. A full duplex switch on each end does this nicely.

      I've successfully run ethernet cables hundreds of feet over spec and seen no ill effects simply because I keep a full duplex switch on each end. Yes, it's a hack. But it does work.

  124. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by jackharrer · · Score: 1

    My friend worked for one design company as a SysAdmin. They had all their servers in small closet about a size 1m per 1m. There were some 6 servers and all networking gear. On shelves, one atop another. And absolutely no air conditioning. So we did very simple thing - we drilled some holes at the top of the door (hot air goes up), and two square holes in the bottom. We installed two little fans (those you can very often find in toilets). That did the trick. And looked quite funny, when all guys saw SysAdmin drilling and destroying the door.

    I don't know if this contraption still works, he changed a job some time ago...

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  125. serial over varnished copper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A friend of mine who lived about 150 metres (~500 feet) down the road and I linked our computers together for doom deathmatches with varnished copper run through the storm drains.

    We got hold of some old solenoids from old traffic light controllers. Using 3 solenoids and lying down on a skateboard and pulling myself through the underground drain pipes we ran a TX,RX and GND wire all the way and were easily able to connect together at 115200 baud. Actually, we used to be able to get 1152900 at night, but during the day we had more luck at half that speed. Never got it working with a laptop at one end, but desktop to desktop it lasted about 4 months before some bad weather put the cable in the drain out of use.

    Oh yeah someone said something about power over ethernet? I know someone who was trying to run 12 volts through ethernet for a wireless access point but thelow voltage meant the cable loss was too high. He ended up putting a 50mA fuse at one end and ran 240Vac through the line with the switch mode plugpack at the remote end (it accepted 110 - 240V AC) and worked fine. I believe he had an input voltage of 235Volts and out the other end was getting about 225Volts and it was almost an entire 300 yard box of outdoor shielded cat 5e.

    1. Re:serial over varnished copper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once installed a wireless module on top of a tower.. Because of the total lack of wiring, we elected to go with PoE to the unit. Sure, we figured, there's gonna be some voltage drop. Grabbed a 16vdc, 18vdc and 22vdc wall wart out of a junk bin for testing, and even with nearly twice the voltage supplied the unit wouldn't power up correctly.

      Our solution was an Army surplus lab supply. One guy climbed the tower with a radio and DVM, I cranked up the supply a couple volts a whack till he called it good.

      He called it good at 28vdc.

  126. Poorly placed computer room... by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 1

    In the early 90's I worked for a software company that developed process control software for "sheet" (steel, paper, etc) manufacturers. On one of my install trips I was taken to the computer room, which was in a room at the top of one of the manufacturing buildings. Shortly after I arrived, there was a lot bang, followed by a fairly large tremor, I looked at my "contact" and he said "That was just a jumbo being dropped onto the cutter spindle, nothing to worry about". A "jumbo" is a large roll of paper, several tons. Half joking I asked if he had many disk failures, he said they didn't, probably because they used VAX's, built like tanks, and ran about as slow. ;)

    That was also my first exposure to 10Base5 and "vampire" taps, all I have to say is thank you for XBaseT.

  127. Russian Plumbers by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 1

    Guys, Granted this is not IT but it's funny nonetheless. In 1997, I lived in St. Petersburg Russia. Great experience. I rented an apartment from a Russian lady with a wart named Svetlana for $110.00/mo. One day, when I was going into the bathroom, I noticed a fine spray of hot water coming from the wall. Inspecting the area, I saw two verticle pipes going up to the apartment above me. They of course had a branch for my apartment. Upon closer inspection, I saw that the hot water pipe had a huge tumor of rust under 50 layers of paint. Besides the general wetness, I saw that the rust had so degraded the pipe that it was allowing a fine mist of hot water to escape. When my Russian friends (17-year-old girls from the neighborhood) came over, I pointed this out to them and they all, in unison said: "Ah, dolzhen zvonit master" (You need to call the master). Seeing lots of rubles being lost in such an activity, I asked them how I would do that. One of them, Natasha, said she would make the call for me. The next day, I woke to a furious knocking on my door. I said "Kto tam?" (Who's there?) and "Mahster" came back. I opened the door to find a very short man, spitting image of Chico Marx, standing there. Behind him was Harpo, just as short, with blond hair. The man entered my apartment and asked me "Gde deerka" (Where's the hole?) I led him to the bathroom and he immediately saw the rust tumor, which he flaked off with his finger. Nodding, he vanished. About ten minutes later, I saw him back at my door, and he did not have a replacement pipe. Instead, he was dragging a long pair of hoses to an oxy-acetelyn torch. He dragged it in my apartment and, without even turning the water off or scraping away the 50 layers of paint, proceeded to weld over the tumor in place! After about 20 minutes, the tumor was replaced with a large keloid of brazing rod and my leak was fixed! Only in Russia!

  128. Using the heat by Anomalous+Cowbird · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been told that, back in the late 70s or early 80s, when a new courthouse/office building was built in a nearby county, someone got the idea to use the heat generated in the computer room to augment the building's heating system.

    As I heard it, during the first winter, the gas company sent inspectors to check the pipelines, test the meters, etc., because they couldn't imagine that a building of that size could use so little gas in the wintertime.

    1. Re:Using the heat by badspyro · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does that mean that by us staying in our parents basements, we are being enviromentaly freindly?

    2. Re:Using the heat by coredog64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Cheyenne Mountain was designed that way. Unfortunately nobody took into account Moore's Law and so now the place is colder than a witch's tit in a brass bra...

    3. Re:Using the heat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah! Sounds like they need to invest in some Dell Latitudes or XBox 360's.

    4. Re:Using the heat by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I went to school at RPI in upstate NY - the computer cluster is in a converted church on campus; during the winter, it's warm and they still run the AC.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  129. Monoglots by WeeLad · · Score: 1

    An enterprising group in our IT department could not find an English version of the product manual for a piece of software they were using. So they ran portions of it through some web-based language translator and made their own English version. They did later acquire an English version from the vendor, but I haven't heard how the two compared in quality.

    --
    Seriously, Don't take anything I say seriously.
  130. cool cooler by rastos1 · · Score: 1

    During my high school days I had to spend a week in a IT lab by a real company. I (and 5-6 of my other classmates) were assigned a room with a PMD-85. It was a 8-bit computer a bit similar to old Atari or Amiga. As the wiki page says, it often suffered from overheating. So the solution implemented by the company was: to rip 5x10cm hole in the ROM module cover and ram a hair dryer into the hole (set to "cold" of course).

  131. Access-point powering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My home network has a wireless access point - just a plain linksys, nothing fancy. A couple of months ago it stoped responding, but a few pokes with the multimeter determined the fault was in the power supply - confirmed by the distortion in the case near where the regulator had burnt out.

    It needed twelve volts - at two amps. I have plenty of spare PSU bricks, but none rated for anywhere near that current. How was I supposed to power it? Computers have 12V internally. The router, a linux-running PC, sits next to the router...

    I choped up an old molex-to-sata adaptor to get the female molex connector, spliced it to the APs power cable, poked the frankenstein-lead through an expansion slot in the router... and the AP has been running happily since.

  132. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked in an office on a Sperry Univac BC7 mini computer. It had a LED panel that displayed certain error messages. I learned how to send messages to the panel. They had air conditioning, but were too cheap to set it to a comfortable level. One day I had a brainstorm while sitting there sweating. I sent "overheat warning" to the panel. I pointed it out to the office manager. He immediately turned the air on.

  133. networking island style by jbossvi · · Score: 1

    I was the head net engineer on the island of st thomas (us virgin islands) during the late 90's early 2000. There was not a lot of technical people so I got to do almost everthing by myself and with little support from the states.

    I built a couple of ISP's, Govt networks and tons of small business systems. Here are some favorite hacks/stories.

    -wireless in a bucket in a cave. We needed to link two communication towers but lacked line of sight. The owner had a small piece of land on peterborg which did have line of sight but was nothing but rocks and jungle. During a test of (breezecom AP's) between towers I had put the AP's in a 5 gallon bucket with some holes in it. The permit for building and power was almost a year away, but damnit I needed that link. So I ended up wiring in a 6v golf cart battery to provide power to 2 AP's and a crossover cable. I found a little cave on the property and put it in there (two big ugly 24db antenna's peeking out)... So now every 3 days or so the internet would go down for half the island, the pager would go off, and I would drag a charged battery down to peterborg and replace the battery. This went on for almost a year. I cant tell you how glad I was to finally see the building get finished and *plug* in the bucket.

    -The territorial court system had a *old* system of managing the court docket. A large and heavy Book was used on the first flood to record incoming violations and pending offenses (in pencil!). later in the day it would go to the second floor where they would write stuff regarding logs/cases/dispositions. then at the end of the day it would go to the 3rd floor where they would write down the actual court proceedings into the book....in the morning it would go down to the first floor where they would *photocopy* the book (old skool backups). and start all over again... years later EDS installed a very expensive case managment system that automated this stuff. But since there were few people that were computer literate it hardly got used except to *scan* in the book for online backups.

    -UPS's... since they are heavy and expensive to ship to a small caribbean island. We would take dozens of marine batteries a couple of industrial inverters and some chargers and dedicate a small room to house it. Then wire the inverters into the premise wiring and viola. site wide UPS! This is for a ISP's datacenter. Thank goodness the EPA never came within a 1000 miles of my island.

    -critters like warm EM equipment.. I had to rebuild a number of servers as either a lizard would crawl into the box and short out the MB with its body (frying the poor guy in the process)... OR the big one which is ants are attracted to the EM fields and would start to congregate around sources of it.. So you would see lots of power supplies with ant nests in it, funny smell burnt electronics and cooked ants.

    --jboss

    -

  134. Picture tells a thousand words. by dino213b · · Score: 1

    See for yourself. No story needed.

    http://www.cardope.com/weird/DSC00006.jpg

    Just imagine what that thing was hooked up to.

    1. Re:Picture tells a thousand words. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking a guess based on the size of the wires, I suspect the person was switching some sort of low-power circuit and just used a general AC cord instead of something specificly made for it. (I've done the same thing, a cord with 2 clips that run to a 12v battery on one end, and a AC outlet on the other. The use? Use a standard light fixture with a 12v light in it without having to modify the fixture (only used once or twice a year))

      Plus it looks like maybe a relay on that board (the black and blue/green things)?
      Maybe the chips next to them opto-isolators?

      Would make sense so you can have isolation to a controlling computer (or some other device) for flipping power to a few circuits.

      I would be more concerned if someone acidentally plugged one of the AC plugs into a normal 120 v AC outlet...
      Otherwise it doesn't look to bad.

  135. Re:Mouse mover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the days of cash paying banners? They paid you for viewing banner ads on your computer. Trouble is you had to keep your mouse moving. We used to install an entire screen full of the things and hook the mouse up to an oscillating fan.

  136. Boot without keyboard?! thats impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for a company that ordered about 100 compaq desktops and corresponding touchscreen monitors.
    The problem is, the bios wouldnt let them boot without a keyboard. (Tested after the purchase of course)

    Solution, buy 100 keyboards, open them up, remove the board / all the keys, saw off the parts you dont want, plug the keyboard into the PS2 port so that it recognizes that a keyboad is present.

    1. Re:Boot without keyboard?! thats impossible by ethanms · · Score: 1

      This sounds very familiar to the first company that interned for in college... they had a custom application that displayed hi-res medical video, as part of the roll out for a new clinic (or something) they ordered a large number of Dell PC's w/ a $150 add-on video card option to ensure best video performance... but ultimately they were fretting over the fact the new systems w/ the upgrade cards were not performing as well as they expected...

      I show up one afternoon after class eating a donut and poke my head inside one of the cases--"Hey, you guys know they gave you PCI graphics cards?"... solution: pull out all the $150 add-on cards because the integrated Intel i810 video was superior despite have less (and shared) video memory

      I can't remember if they send the cards back or not, but I know it modified future orders...

  137. Looong fiber runs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At a major airline company at a major east coast hub...

    They have one extremely large FDDI ring to connect all of the network equipment. One of the runs exceeded the distance limits. A 24 port switch with 2 FDDI connectors was placed in the basement closet of a hotel that was in between the two points. It was used to break the maximum distance up and allowed us to complete the ring.

    Now the problems. Every time something happened to our switch in that hotel basement, it tooks us anywhere from minutes to hours to get access to that closet to check that switch. It seemed every time we went to that hotel, there was different people working there, some would just let you in, others required something in writing, others wanted us to call the hotels headquarters and speak to an IT person, some would send us to the building engineering people, the key on the door changed, it was after hours and no one to ask except for the receptionist or the door man, power was removed to that room etc...

    It sucked. I never understood how that airline had so much for redundancy but allowed all network attached equipment to be attached in one FDDI ring that was many miles long.

  138. BAUD vs BPS by waterford0069 · · Score: 1

    Don't confuse *baud* with *bps* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baud). Your 2400bps modem actually ran on a 600baud, and your 9600bps modem ran on 2400baud.

    And for my next trick I'll tell you why a byte is *not* always 8 bits.

    1. Re:BAUD vs BPS by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      And I suppose you pronounce gigabyte with a soft "J", and participated in debates as to whether DOS was pronounced "doss" or "dose"?

      Nobody, aside from the engineers that have to make it work, cares about the difference between the bit-rate of the channel vs. the symbol rate of the analog encoding. What's important is the bit-rate between endpoints, from one DTE to another DTE. The bitrate between the DTE (computer) and the DCE (modem) is equal to the symbol rate for RS-232 and related protocols, and therefore designations such as "2400 baud," "9600 baud," and so forth are correct when referring to what the DTE transmits and receives. The fact that the signal gets transformed to and from another encoding which decouples symbol rate from bit rate is abstracted from the user.

      Granted, with more modern modems, the negotiated bit-rate of a connection may be different than the bit-rate between DTE and DCE. Still, the effective DTE to DTE bit-rate can still be referred to as baud, since baud = bps over RS-232.

      --Joe
    2. Re:BAUD vs BPS by waterford0069 · · Score: 1

      And I guess nobody cares but engineers if your network provider quotes you 0.001 cents per kilo-byte and then charges you 0.001 dollars per kilo-byte.

      You are dealing with a technical audience here who should be able to use the terminology correctly. It is not appropriate to interchange the terms because there happen to be the same for some special cases.

      For the record: I only pronounce the prefix giga with a "J" when quoting Doc Brown. And I've never heard anyone pronounce DOS as "dose"

    3. Re:BAUD vs BPS by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      For a factor of 100 difference, I care.

      I used to care about the difference between symbol rate and bit rate—heck, I am an architect at a company that made its fortunes in part through DSP-driven modems—and even my coworkers don't really care whether you refer to baud or bps, since typically the meaning is clear from context, and depending on what portion of the system you're referring to, the terms are interchangeable.

      Go look at the stty man page. Go ahead, I'll wait. Now point to where it says "bps" or "bits per second." What? Can't find it there? But it says "baud?" Must've been written by non-technical people who don't know their terminology. BTW, I tried this experiment on Linux, Solaris, and for good measure, AIX. For the record, AIX does refer to "bits per second," but those intellectually lazy folk[*] at Sun refer to baud. And you can forget those Linux hippies. ;-)

      I used to fight "the good fight," correcting people on the difference between bps and baud, and correcting people for pronouncing GIF with a hard G. (Look! It says right here in the Compuserve spec that it's a SOFT G!) It's a great way to alienate people, including technical types. It's one thing to use the terminology correctly yourself, and to correct someone if they're using terminology incorrectly in a context where it matters, but to do it as a matter of course just makes you a PITA.

      As for the "doss" vs. "dose," I had a number of teachers and other authority figures in the 1980s insist it was pronounced "dose," correcting me when I would pronounce it "doss." I believe they didn't realize it was an American acronym, and not derived from the Spanish word for "two."

      --Joe

      [*] Tongue planted firmly in cheek.

  139. Stingy Unix System by TomHenderson · · Score: 1

    In a former life, I used to work for a sweatshop that called itself a PR firm. In the mid-90s, I was an administrative assistant who was eager to get into the IT industry. The penny-pinching management saw this as a way to get rid of the consultant they used to manage their unix system that ran their contact management database. They called this system their "mainframe," with the utmost sincerity. When I finally got my opportunity to help out with the system administration, image my surprise that they were running 30 dumb text terminals off of a 486 50Mhz, with 50 Mb RAM. And they wondered why it was sluggish from time to time...

  140. Parent/General old timer computer set up by s122604 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if this would qualify, but I've noticed it several times. How many people out there have become the on-call support for your parents/grandparents girlfriend's parents/grandparents etc... Computer problems? Not going to go into the chaos of the actual computer configurations spyware/crapware etc., but I'm talking about the general config of the hardware. It seems to almost be a given in these situations that the computers and peripherals will be stuffed into some piece of furniture where it is fundamentally impossible to get them. Cables will be coiled together in an attempt at neatness and organization. A baffling array of connectors and adapters will be employed, e.g usb to serial cable to serial, serial cable to USB to connect two USB devices... Also cables will be stretched to their theoretical maximum, so that peripherals and the case itself cannot be moved on centimeter in any direction without decoupling the entire environment and its baffling array of cables and connectors adapters, etc...

  141. College by pbxtreme8720 · · Score: 1

    In the IT department one day our old linux mail server went down. been so long that this had happened that no one new where it was. they had to trace the wires through the floor. where they finally came to a wall, turned out it been running without a bug for so long it had been walled in when they did some remodelling and no one had noticed for a few years.

  142. Here are a couple... by MadMorf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was in the USAF and working in Saudi Arabia in the 1980s, we used data and voice hookups provided by the local telco to connect 3 sites scattered out there in the Kingdom...

    Trying to trace some problems with one of the voice circuits, in one wiring closet we found the voice circuit had 3 twisted wire splices in one 6 foot section of cable...

    Later, as a contractor running the email system for a not very large, but well known US government agency...
    A few months after the agency had moved a lot of people into the new Ronald Reagan office building in Washington, I noticed their GroupWise server didn't seem to be functioning.

    I called the local GroupWise administrator and told her they needed to take a look at it.
    She called me back an hour later to say they hadn't been able to locate the server and were still looking, but she's sure she had seen it recently...

    Two days later they found it in a closet in the old building they had moved out of months before...Still running, but someone had finally shut down the network in the building...

  143. hard NFS mounts make you sad by anomaly · · Score: 1

    We had a very smart guy on our team who had little operational experience and a great deal of theoretical knowledge. He set up our suite of unix boxes to share home directories - not a bad idea, right? Except that this brainiac hard mounted the home directories for all users.

    The first time that the box hosting the home directories went down for maintenance, no one could log into ANY of the unix boxes - each was waiting for the hard mounted NFS resource to become available.

    We switched to soft mounts of home dirs, and life was much less painful for us. (Mail was hosted on a different platform, and few users wrote to their home dirs much so we didn't need to worry much about nfs lock problems.)

    --
    But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
    1. Re:hard NFS mounts make you sad by ximenes · · Score: 1

      He may have been misled by all of the "soft mounts will corrupt your data" information that gets passed around. I know that I was initially. What the man page doesn't tell you is exactly what you describe, that all of the systems become entirely dependent on the file server -- even if they don't need to access it to perform a given operation.

      That in a nutshell is why systems administration will always be 10% learning and 90% experience, you have to know the way things work and not just what the documentation says.

  144. It's DNS in France by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I worked for a HUGE multinational ISP once. We had just gotten France hooked up and they had been running fairly well for about six months after two years of testing. About 100k customers used the service.

    One day, DNS went down. This had happened in the UK a lot, so we barked up the wrong tree for hours thinking it was a Keyring issue over the Transatlantic connection. Nope. Hours later, we found the DNS for France was on a different subnet. This led to discovering that their DNS service was on a set of IPs that pointed to one MAC. Finally, the people in charge of the data center said, "That's not our subnet. I don't know where you are getting DNS from.

    We traced back and back through routers, entering territory that got scarier and scarier. It went to an older building that were were in the process of closing down and selling. It also had a data center, but that room had been dark for months, and DNS had been working up until now. Back and back we went.

    Finally we found that the trace went through a disused subnet through a former office LAN in that building. This traced it back to an office, which traced it back to... ... a 386 LCD laptop. The machine had died because the logs had filled up the 1.2 gb hard drive. We couldn't believe it until someone rebooted the damn thing, and DNS came back up. We had been running production DNS on this thing for over 2 years.

    Turns out that when the French network architecture was being set up, they had to transfer DNS somewhere temporarily as part of a testbed, so some guy had an old laptop in his office he just hooked up. Then he was laid off before we went live. Nobody ever switched it back, and since the office space was being abandoned, no one every went into the office to turn anything off, figuring it was somebody else's problem.

    A week later, French DNS was running on a production server.

    I am impressed it lasted that long on such a platform.

    We also used to run the flight schedules for Lufthansa. It was a Windows NT 3.5.1 system that was running on a 486, and was running some proprietary terminal service and scheduler. It crashed once every 31 days (there was some bug where it would crash after xxxx hours which was between 30-31 days). The only way to fix it was to hard reboot the box, and the directions were scary: "Go down to the older server room, and find an unlabeled shelf next to the first door near the panic switch. On the bottom of that shelf is a box which is behind a stack of old 10base hubs. Hold down the power button until the green light goes off. You may have to lie on the floor on your stomach to reach the button. Count to ten, power back on. Make sure the amber light labeled 'turbo' is lit on bootup. If not, repeat, but wait 60 seconds before powering back up."

    I sure hope they got that fixed, it was last like that in 2000.

    1. Re:It's DNS in France by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      The only way to fix it was to hard reboot the box, and the directions were scary: "Go down to the older server room, and find an unlabeled shelf next to the first door near the panic switch....

      Now THAT is funny... reminds me of HHGG, when Arthur goes to find the plans for the bypass in a locked file cabinet in an unlit basement in a disused lavatory labeled "Beware of the Tiger."

      ~Philly

    2. Re:It's DNS in France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have put a sign reading "beware of the leapord" on the shelf with the NT server

    3. Re:It's DNS in France by julesh · · Score: 1

      It crashed once every 31 days (there was some bug where it would crash after xxxx hours which was between 30-31 days).

      You sure it wasn't every 24.86 days (or 2^31 milliseconds)?

      I once ran a network for a couple of businesses in our office block who had pooled together for a shared DSL line. But the only box we had available that could support the hardware provided by the ISP was an old Win98SE box. Windows 98's dial up networking has this bug: after 2^31 milliseconds it stops transmitting packets, and you have to tear down the connection and reconnect. Guess nobody thought you'd ever have a dialup connected for that long.

  145. Old School IT by neowolf · · Score: 1

    I still remember (very fondly) a Novell Netware 3.x (I think it was 3.14) server we ran up until the middle of last year. It ran several key database applications for our company (in Paradox, of all things) for about 8 years, and spent the last two years of its life storing archival data. It was running on a 486-66 in a dusty little small-tower case tucked away in the corner of our server room. We threw it together from spare/retired parts one weekend after we moved into our new HQ building and realized much to our dismay that some of our database apps wouldn't run on Windows NT. To the best of my knowledge- it was never shut down (it was on an even older APC UPS that went through at least a half-dozen batteries during that time) or had to be rebooted in the 9+ years it was in service. We finally retired it last year, and had a little ceremony as we listened to it grind to a halt.

    Even my Linux boxes haven't proved to be as bullet proof as this server was, although the come damn close.

    Before we moved to our new HQ, we ran an enormously complex hodge-podge of Netware servers on a spider web of a 10BASE2 (thinnet) network. Coax cable still gives me nightmares. It seems so archaic now with GBit networking and rack/blade servers. :)

  146. WinPopup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a full hospital using only WinPopup for email, and refusing to do any more than that?

  147. It's a trap! by Ucklak · · Score: 1

    The plumbing term is a `trap`

    I'm sure plumbers would mind you calling it a U-bend as much as you(we) would mind plumbers calling a data port a phone plug or calling Internet Explorer 'the internet'.

    To bring this together, my odd setup was for a trucking company. A full rack with UPS, 3 servers, PRI feed - all in the bathroom.
    Yeah, try to find the least hostile place where everyone smoked and the bathroom was it.

    --
    if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
    1. Re:It's a trap! by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      A trap is a U-bend used for a particular purpose. Internet Explorer is not an internet used for a particular purpose. It'd be like someone saying "the application Microsoft made to access the internet" and then discussing it as "the application".

    2. Re:It's a trap! by autocracy · · Score: 1

      I work for a CPA / audit company. In one Bank's report, we issued a finding that their core system (which tracks all their money) was located on the bathroom floor. I can't recall if it was a publicly accessible bathroom, but I wouldn't be too suprised.

      --
      SIG: HUP
    3. Re:It's a trap! by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

      Actually in Oz either is acceptable. I originally wrote 'u-bend' for all the
      unwashed Slashdot masses. :-)

      --
      -- main(s){printf(s="main(s){printf(s=%c%s%c,34,s,34) ;}",34,s,34);} $p='$p=%c%s%
  148. Server room heating and failing ac by Sakse · · Score: 1

    So what happens when the air condition does go down?
    Do the network guys get notified in time to fix it, or do you just rely on the thermal breakers?
    It sounds like you don't have much time to react.

    --
    Fast, Soon, Correct. Pick 2.
    1. Re:Server room heating and failing ac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      85F isn't _that_ hot...

    2. Re:Server room heating and failing ac by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      The APC Symmetra includes room temp monitors too. When things get ugly we get text messaged.

  149. Wire for Miles by gers0667 · · Score: 1
    At my current job, we decided to get a PRI for voice communications. I know computers very well, but when it comes to phones, I don't know much. I've punched down lines in a large shop environment, but that's about it.

    Our office is located in an old steel mill, which now houses multiple companies. The demarc is located in another building. To get the PRI from the demarc to our office, our copper does the following:

    • Travels via 25 pair 100 yards from the demarc to the abandoned guard shack
    • Punches down to on old, skrew-down type block
    • Travels via 25 pair underground to another block in our neighbor's office.
    • Disappears from site and miraculously shows up on the other side of office, about 100ft away.
    • Travels through the rafters to our Asterisk box.


    We later found a hanging punch block the ceiling of our office. This happened to be the connecting point that we could never find, so had an extra 200ft of copper running for now reason.

    This may not sound two bad, but for my boss and I, who have never really done any type of wiring work, we think we did reasonable well. Especially since the wiring job for the building was a mix of wiring from the 50's and a local wiring company's 'on the cheap' job. It only took us about 3 days and we managed to knock out another company's T1 with our tone out tool.
  150. Firewalls by graemecoates · · Score: 1

    I used to work for an arm of a large multinational corporation, where I was working on a large project worth £Millions+ . Two things from that:

    1. We tried to get board approval for the installation of a Biztalk server to perform everything we needed for the project we had, and this was quoted at $50k. This was duly refused, so we then hired 2 consultants to bodge around with the existing "temporary fix" system that had been in place for 3 years and probably blew more than that on wages. It was a nightmare to test, as there were about 18 different stages to the data flow through the system on 3 different OS requiring user intervention at pretty much every stage.

    2. For the same project, we needed a dedicated liink to another (much, much, much! larger) company. This was something like a 512kbps pipe that transferred the grand sum of 3MB per day. Anyhow, our lot (the firewall experts) had to reconfigure the company firewall to allow the connections (using some odd piece of encryption software - scp apparently to easy) to go between us and them. After four months of trying to configure the rather nice shiny red Check Point firewalls, costing about £16k (after I jokingly said it could be done with a £50 linux box), and nearing the go live date, the project leader asked if I could actually do it.

    One old desktop PC, and 2 hours later, we had a working setup. That old desktop PC remained in the main firewall rack humming away for a good 4 months until (finally) someone who knew what they were doing stepped in and opened the one port for the one IP address needed to make it work.

    I still reckon that box was the most secure perimeter firewall in the company (and not sure anyone outside of our group knew about it as they would have gone mad).

  151. Win 95 to workgroup windows by JanCold · · Score: 1

    So friend of mine was working in company where their all mighty IT manager makes decissions by the name of the product. Like which sounds beter Win 95(or NT) or Workgroup Windows(3.11)?
    Well the manager thought of course we should take this workgroup thing. So they end up degrading all they computers to much older version of windows.
    Don't know what happend after that.

    Oh and this was in year 99 or 98 if I remeber right...

  152. In the wall by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 1

    I was told from someone I worked with, apparently it happened to him. some higher up called in saying some server they used was not working and wanted it fixed asap as it had valuable data and the likes (Probably the CEO porn collection but anyway). Ok fine, got the details and such, and went to check on it. first trying to find the passwords and all that fun stough for the box as he had never worked on the machine before. No one had a clue what machine he was talking about, or where it would be located. He ended up going server to server in the large server, reading the labels trying to figure out which one the higher up was talking about. He ended up finding the ip address and tracing it to the specific wiring off the switches, and proceeded to follow the cat5 cable. And if anyone has ever tried to follow a cat 5 line through a large server room when all the cables are bundled together, you know this is a run adventure. the cable finely went through a wall, not a big issue, must head to the next room over correct, they had cables doing that all the time. but nope figures,cable comes out no ware at all. He finely found someone who told him that they had done work in the walls in that area even walling up some old non used closets. . Doing some measurements he found the wall between he 2 rooms was rather wide, and would have had closets/storage there in the past. Sure enough after a few holes n the way he got to look in on not one but I believe 3 machines just sitting there working away. One the non working server. How they got walled in without anyone knowing, who knows, but hey decently a odd one.

  153. Sig response by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

    Sig says: There is no such word as "alot," and if there is, there shouldn't be. It's "a lot." Two words, not one.

    Then, of course, there is the alternate spelling, "allot". Very annonying.

    On the other hand, there is a precedent in the English language, "tuppence".

    --
    www.wavefront-av.com
  154. OMG... Bank merger nightmare... by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    One of the first jobs I was a part of early on in my networking career involved 'updating' these lovely OS/2 machines to DOS/Windows 3.1.

    My consulting company assigned me to a bank that had just purchased a competitor. The competitor's system was ALL OS/2. Man, that was the most beautiful, efficient system I had ever seen. The tellers, ATMs, office computers, servers - all OS/2. Our banks? DOS/Novell/Windows 3.1.

    It was bad enough to arrive at a building full of distrustful (and rightfully so given the fact that many of their coworkers were fired, salaries slashed, and meanwhile the execs got cushy bonuses), openly hostile people, but you should have seen the look on their faces when these systems were converted. All booting occurred off of the network; well considering their network was a 4 Mbit Token Ring, it could take 10-15 MINUTES for the pointer in Win 3.1 to even show up!

    Then there was the 'in your faceness' of the new corporate overload logo that appeared while things were loading. It was miserable for them and for me. That saddest thing was, I was an Amiga user who understood why multitasking was so important to many of these people. They didn't have the computer knowhow or terminology to explain to their bosses exactly why this new system sucked (other than the load times). Funny how time is always money to businesses, and yet they typically ignore the amount of time a user has to wait in frustration to get their job done!

    It was an ugly job, and I quit shortly after starting that project - mostly out of disgust.

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  155. No wires or yes wires by nikolag · · Score: 1

    Some time ago, local branch of HUGE telecommunications company was asked to connect two buildings. Distance: about 5 km (4 miles?). Really no-brainer kind-a-task.

    The tehnicians decided to use aDSL (128/1024kb) and make a tunnel through public internet. Only three computers were on one side, using RDP application, (minimal graphical setings) so they figured, that was engouh. But wrong they were. On one side Siemens aDSL router, and on other side Cisco firewall and router simply did not like each other. The stuff worked terribly when only one computer was online, and tunel crashed when one needed to print or to use more computers (two for example).
    The price was low, as requiered, but it did not work. Then they tried to use their routers (much more expensive) to creat encrypted tunnel. It failed again.

    Then local radio amateurs jumped in. They used their own 802.11g links and using old, for-junk-ready-computers with monowall and linux configured encrypted point to point tunnel through their network, using svereal routers and nodes. They shaped tunnel to only 50kbps and stuff it works. Total out-of-service time in one month? About one hour. Average router/AP uptime is about 50 days.

    Why? It appears that some (expensive) routers are sensitive to high bandwidth fluctation at such low bandwidth conditions. Wireless software on the other hand is often made having that in mind. Somtimes less is more.

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  156. Email Limits by Divebus · · Score: 1

    Email attachment size limits probably came with the increase of virus and spam scrubbing. Software on the mail server would pattern match 100,000 possible threats against everything arriving. That made our own mail server delay incoming email for hours sometimes, so we stopped doing that (and went to a different system). There's no practical limit to an email attachment size within the bounds of file system rules (I've sent multi-gigabyte attachments to myself for grins).

    Otherwise, ISPs are not that interested in storing more than they need to. I've actually seen people email files to themselves, and keep them in email, because they can find files easier in email than in their file system.

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  157. Bizarre hardware/software _social_ solution by smchris · · Score: 1


    A decade ago it was common where I worked for people to hand me paper output of their word processed original content to put on the web. Instead of teaching them how to put the file on a floppy or network drive (and I sure didn't want to retype it), I asked for and got a copy of OmniPage for my scanner.

    I wonder what precentage of OmniPage sales has solved the same "problem".

  158. Security Policy "Hack" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On one job, we were required to have our PC's power switch on a keylock. So, they installed a little plastic box over the BRS (big red switch) - in the box was a key operated lever to operate the power switch. Problem was, all of the techs took a shortcut installing the things and it trivial to remove (too about 10 seconds). When I pointed this out to management, I was informed that "all security procedures are well thought out and would not be discussed with employees."

    Not sure which was the bigger hack - the device or the policy.

  159. Prison Hacks by xjmrufinix · · Score: 1

    I was incarcerated in my late teens and was given an opportunity to work as a teacher/technician inside after attending school for a while. Being a prison school, we were obviously way, way down the list of budgeting priorities for the state. We had a 30+ client network with every sort of OS running; Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, Mac OS 8,9 and 10+, even a few Red Hat machines. My supervisor decided he wanted something better than buggy, half-functioning peer-to-peer and asked me to set up some servers. Partly he wanted to simulate the internet for the students, who had no access to outside networks, and there was also a security issue - a peer-to-peer network didn't provide good security to prevent tampering with publicly-shared files or to provide levels of access to shared data and student records.

    So we requested some computers from the state to start making improvements. What we got was a pile of surplus Pentium 1's and 486's that the Judicial Branch and DMV had thrown away. It was a nightmare even getting them to work; half of the BIOS batteries were shot and we had to salvage new batteries from broken old Macs so we could reset the BIOS passwords and boot. Once they were working, we had to deal with the equipment's age. I ended up clearing out an old closet and setting up a whole bunch of sketchy, half-dead servers which were just barely capable of running Red Hat. One did nothing but run Apache, one did nothing but run MySQL, one just ran Samba. It was a nightmare to obtain outside software, so I had to write all the database software and our new online test-taking system in PHP as a server-side system, which was the only way it was guaranteed to work on every client in our crazy hodge-podge network (and there were still problems).

    What made things worse was that we had only one UPS and that went on the file server, so I had to write backup scripts that distributed copies of the database and my source code to hidden places on client computers just in case we had a storm and a server's hard drive got toasted (this happened once or twice). An even weirder, and prison-specific problem, was that the administration of the facility was extremely distrustful of the school and our program in specific. They would periodically storm into the school claiming to have received an anonymous tip that we were engaged in some form of illicit activity and confiscate a computer without any regard for how this affected our operations. Seemingly harmless activities - playing games for a few minutes before knocking off, using your computer to type up a letter - were huge offenses inside that could get the culprit thrown into solitary and endanger the program. It was incredibly strange to be in prison and have the privilege of working in that environment, all the while that threat hanging over my head an reminding me of where I really was.

  160. Cable Company Lab by oc255 · · Score: 1

    I worked at a place that had a NAT'd IP range. The range at work was one octet off from my home range. So one day at home when I thought I was ssh'ing to my server, I mistyped one octet and ssh'd to an invalid IP address. Except, I saw a lab-router> prompt. My heart jumped a beat and I pondered what to do next. I hit ^-] and typed quit and called my cable company. I escalated to a tech and told them that they have some lab network exposed that shouldn't be. I specifically asked them to call me back, they didn't but then the next day it wasn't available anymore and wasn't again.

    It was clearly a cisco 2600 (or similar), I recognized the banner. I found it incredibly funny that their lab wasn't VLAN'd away from the customer network.

  161. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Divebus · · Score: 1

    We had our air conditioning limited and thermostats locked up in the machine room and it was always sweltering. We defeated that system by hanging a drop light under the thermostat.

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  162. Before Ethernet by ebh · · Score: 1

    Back in the Reagan years, when LANs were by no means ubiquitous, we had HP 2621 ASCII terminals on our desks, and worked on a VAX. Management was extremely cheap (how many of you old farts remember the AT&T "Low Cost Wins" campaign?), so we connected to the VAX by dialing into it over the building PBX using scavenged Bell 212A 1200bps modems.

    One night, I found in a junk pile a hundred feet of 50-pin ribbon cable, so I crimped down two DB-25 connectors on each end, ran the cable back to the machine room which was in the next aisle over, connected that end to two spare serial ports on the VAX, and my end to two terminals: mine, and my officemate's. It was tricky keeping our 9600bps "high speed" lines secret, but it was really nice to be able to use Emacs instead of ed.

  163. Snakes on a Plane? by numbski · · Score: 1

    Sorry. My brain jumped on to the other.

    Actually, our own data center I'm kinda proud of, being that it is one large hack. We're in a mixed residential/commercial facility, and it happens that our unit was residential prior to our arrival. I converted the master bedroom to be our server room (holds 10 racks...not too shabby for a small operation!), have a 5 ton air conditioner piped in, picked up the racks themselves for about $100 each from a reseller here in town, and our original servers were Compaq desktop machines, all sharing NFS back to a RAID array, and using load balancers to make many of them appear as single servers (thanks for the idea, Google!)

    Ah the joys of doing it yourself. :D

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  164. Strange yet true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have already noticed a couple similar scnario's to the ones I have seen or created but here are the best of the worst. Found an old Novell server that was used to QA monitor and ship product from a foundry type industry, it ended up crashing and when it failed i located it under 4-5 feet of silica sand. A tow moter went through a wall in a crazy accident at a factory I was working at,it "lanced" our manufacturing systems server through the wall and went right through the middle of the server exiting out the front of the system, it missed 90% of the system's key components and was used in production for 6 months after the event!

  165. Network Failure by mick29 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some years ago I was the computer guy for a fairly large network installation in a student dormatory. Because our 19in racks are (still) in the bicycle cellar, our equipment used to die of too much condensing wetness quite regularily.

    So I ordered replacement parts and took the network switch out of the 19in rack into my apartment to replace all the components (thanks HP for their modular design).
    On the way I encountered a panicking student, who knew me as the guy responsible for the internet, and asked me _WHILE_ I was carrying an insanely large box with a giant bunch of network connectors, "Do you know that Internet stopped working, like, 5 minutes ago?"

  166. Storm Drain? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Maybe the storm water drain wasn't being used anymore. I guess as long as there isn't a risk of something cutting the wires down there (rats? unclogging service?) it wouldn't be a problem. The wires are insulated and waterproof after all. At the very least they should put the wires into their own conduit to protect them.

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  167. Other countries. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Bahamas I witnessed a high school with multiple buildings being wired together by drilling holes through the brick in the side and literally running cat 5e across the ground - the school said they would take care of it later - In another school My team (Missionary team of IT personnel) Ran out of cabling while setting up a lab of 50 computers. As we were doing this free, and the school could in no way afford to have it done later - and anything we didn't do would probably not get done - we found some old telephone cable (8 wires not twisted) and used it for the last 10 computers - they dropped quite a few packets but did the job better than not.

    In the Philippines I was part of a team that rewired the network for a seminary. When we got there the seminary was running its entire network over a series of D-Link routers - about 300 - 500 computers (its a small seminary). Unfortunately The seminary was running cat5e across the ground and through sewer pipes between the buildings. These pipes were exposed and every time it would storm these pips would attract lightning and the first router in the series would be fried through the Ethernet port.

  168. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Intron · · Score: 1

    That's excellent. Now I have to figure out what I can do with the setled call in AIX.

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  169. Re:Other way round by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The phone lines in our office use RJ45 connectors. I expect they are intended to be used with the type of fancy phone system one would expect in a building with four whole rooms (2 of which actually seem intended to be used as offices)

    After the person who hooked up our phone lines informed us that there was no way to use an old phone with these connectors, no converter, no nothing, we would need to buy new phones (which Bell South had a fine selection of, of course), and then each of the offices would need to be wired professionally (which Bell South could do!)...
    I found that we still had: 1) A crimping tool 2) Leftover CAT5 cable 3) more splitters than could possibly be justified by a single DSL line.

    I know nothing about phones, or electrical anything beyond my kindergarden science fair project on Conductivity (pennies DO conduct, oatmeal lids DON'T!). This is a piss-poor job.

    Every phone in our office plugs into a splitter. An RJ11 crimped onto a CAT5 cable (two dangling wires) plugs into the same [read:wrong] end of the same splitter, which then plugs into the wall's RJ45 connector.

    At the other end is a nest of wires in which many small wires pulled out of a CAT5 cable connect every line of the terminal to the same connection on the terminal as the only "real" phone line in the building (which is located in the 4'^2 "lobby")

    I'm pretty certain the terminal is not intended to have four wires stacked onto the same connection. But as I said, I'm not an electrical anything. For all I know, this is how it was meant to be done. All I know is: It works.

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  170. MOD PARENT DOWN by brunes69 · · Score: 0

    Problem is, if you leave a drain long enough without water passing through it, the water in the u-bend can evaporate, leaving an empty pipe and allowing the nasty sewer smell to escape. Thus, leave a faucet dripping to keep the U-Bend full!

    This is ludicrous. The amount of water in a trap is *MASSIVE* compared to the amount that would evaporate in a day. It would take 6 months or more for all the water in a trap to evaporate. And if such a time period had passed, all the sewer gases in your home would have long since been evacuated from the piping via your stack anyway.

    People please do not listen to this person's idiotic comment - leaky and dripping faucets are HORRIBLE WATER WASTERS - if you are on metered water they can cost you tens of dollars a month, and even if you are not, you're being very wasteful and not very environmentally conscious.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, well, I've had a trap go dry in an unused bathroom in my house in a month.

      And if such a time period had passed, all the sewer gases in your home would have long since been evacuated from the piping via your stack anyway.

      Not if other toilets in the building are in use.

      rj

    2. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      Not if other toilets in the building are in use.

      I agree with you, Deadstick. Also, what about the sewer gases that are present in the sewer pipe under the street? Just because you aren't using the toilets or sinks in your home/building doesn't mean there aren't other people on the same block using their toilets. The traps (when properly filled with water) will keep nasty sewer gas in the sewer pipe under the street from coming into your building.

  171. Call Center goes down when a man cleans his desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was one incident for a large national credit card company. One day a guy in the IT dept decided to do some spring cleaning around his desk. So he was unpluging and plugging in some PCs he had under his desk to do some cleaning. Well they kept losing a call center (About 500 miles away) spuraticly that day and no one could figure out why. Then some smart guy noticed that every time the guy would go under his desk, the call center would either come back or go out. As it turns out, a big part of the call center's application was running on a PC under this guys desk. And ever time he unplugged it, the call center went down.

  172. Two separate networks on a single hub by Tech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to work part time as a volunteer engineer at a community radio station. Aside from the digital audio playout system playing music off a Novell server, we had no money for IT. We occasionally experienced problems with stuttering music, caused by people transferring large files across the network which were causing packet collisions and interrupting the critical stream of audio data to the studio playout machine. This was prior to MP3 and the like, so the best audio file compression we got was 4:1 and the required bitrate was pretty hefty.

    I was given a new 100Mb hub, the theory being that 100Mb is faster than the 10Mb we already had, so it would solve the problem. Not so! Those large files would still collide with the audio streaming because we had no intellient routing, traffic prioritising or cash to pay for a decent solution.

    I discovered that the new hub would auto-sense the 10/100Mb speed from the NIC at the other end, but had no internal 10Mb100Mb switch capability. In other words it was effectively two hubs in one package with separate 10Mb and 100Mb buses inside. That turned out to be advantageous in the end. I set up all the audio workstations to run at 100Mb, and all the administrative workstations to run at 10Mb, so effectively we had two separate networks, one for audio and the other for admin. So the secretaries could continue sending their large files around, printing and so on, and it didn't affect the audio operations. There was only one PC that needed access to both audio and admin, and I solved that by simply giving it two NICs (making sure they weren't bridging).

    It ran that way for several years. I believe more recently they employed the services of an IT contractor, who promptly saw fit to replace my old 10/100 hub with a fancy new switch. Almost immediately the stuttering problems returned. I don't know what they did to remedy that, but it seems to be better now. Presumably they have a bit more of an IT budget these days.

  173. yeah, but you don't want a sewer in server rooms by swschrad · · Score: 1

    all drains will back up, it's just a question of when.

    it is perfectly acceptable to put the chillers outside the server room on a lowered floor, folks. hire an architect.

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  174. Sawing off conduit probably wrong remedy by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    The problem isn't with running a low-voltage wire through a high-voltage conduit - the problem is that someone could later run a high-voltage wire through the same conduit.

    Although that is a good reason to NOT use high-voltage conduit for low-voltage runs I do NOT believe it is a code violation (it is merely "not recommended"). In the interests of simplicity in large installations it might be easier to use the same kind of conduit for all runs. The remedy to the problem you describe is to MARK THE CONDUIT PROPERLY. I worked for a time in the Physical Plant dept. of a large medical facility and the same kind of conduit and cable trays were used for all sorts of wiring. To meet code/safety requirements the conduit was marked with standard coloured stripes and labeled at regular intervals ("comms", "low voltage", "120/208V", etc).

    The electrician/inspector did not have to order the conduit removed--it probably would'vebeen fine to paint a stripe down the side and stencil "comms cable only" at regular intervals...thus it is a suitable candidate for "silly hacks".

    1. Re:Sawing off conduit probably wrong remedy by StrongAxe · · Score: 1

      The electrician/inspector did not have to order the conduit removed--it probably would'vebeen fine to paint a stripe down the side and stencil "comms cable only" at regular intervals...thus it is a suitable candidate for "silly hacks".

      That would be a sensible approach. It all depends on whether the inspector is allowed to use common sense (and capable of doing so) rather than merely spouting regulations.

  175. So many bad IT setups ... by LizardKing · · Score: 1

    I briefly worked for a dodgy website that was trying to be a sort of Yahoo! for music, but wanted to entice users into creating new content for free that then a couple of editors would tart up. Despite having seven marketing staff, I was the only techie (I subsequently found out that the three previous techies had left after disputes with the boss - not bad for a company less than a year old). The entire company was run off a single PC running RedHat Linux 5 - database, email, webserver and fileserver. They had installed everything, back when doing so meant it was enabled by default, and no firewall rules had been setup. No updates had been installed either. I pointed out that this was a disaster waiting to happen, but was told to forget about it, as updating and cleaning the machine would require a reboot and therefore an outage. No budget was available for a spare machine, as the bosses boyfriend kept buying stupid things for the office such as expensive modern art and uncomfortable designer chairs.

    When the inevitable happened, and the server got hacked, the boss accused me of doing it. Once I stopped laughing, I asked her why I'd hack a machine I had the root password to. She then insisted it had to be an inside job, as hacking was such a superhuman feat in her opinion. I told her to stuff her opinion and quit. She then tried to hold me to my contracted notice period of three months, until I threatened to take her to court for constructive dismissal.

  176. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by nikolag · · Score: 1

    We had same problem with one MRI scanner I have used. Device room is so tiny that one cannot go around the unit and AC unit is cheapest I've ever seen. They punched some holes to the hallway but temperature in summer goes over 38 C (about 95F) and the machine (Sun inside) generally freezes after two hours of operation.

    Same thing happened in other institution with more powerful MR scanner (also Sun inside) where AC unit was failing on a regulary basis, at least once a month. In one year they had that scanner fail so many times that they basically could buy a new one easily for the same money.

    Thing is, computers in those scanners never failed, only the amplifilers.

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  178. Servers int he kitchen by Mr.Dippy · · Score: 1

    about 3 years ago I interviewed with a fly by night Government contracting company. They showed me the server room which was in the kitchen (the kitchen sink was like 10 feet away from rack full of servers). I wanted to ask the guy what was their emergency backup plan if somebody spilled coffee the router. I bite my tongue instead thinking I didn't want to sound like an ass. Looking back on it I should have said something because the job I interviewed for wasn't that interesting anyways.

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  179. remote monitoring by VAXcat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Back in the day, I used to have to go in late on Saturday nights and copy & compress the system disk on our PDP-11/70 system. It was located in the typical loud, cold computer room. THe copy process could take anywhere from 1 to 5 hours, depending on the amount of fragmentation on the system disk. I didn't want to wait in the loud room, and I didn't want to get up from my comfy chair in my office at the other end of the building to continually check on the progress. One night, tuning around on my FM radio in my office, I heard a funny sort of noise at 98.5 MHz. Its rythmic structure reminded me of the sound the disks made while they were seeking during this copy process. Sure enough, thise old school disk drives, with their Emitter Coupled Logic (which uses about a pound of electrons to do anything) were generating lots of EM noise, which was, I'm guessing, getting coupled to the power line and thence to my radio. After that, I could kick back and have a few beers, and listen to the radio to know when the copy was over, without going back and forth to check.

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    1. Re:remote monitoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to grab a few z's when the credit union I worked at posted allotments to accounts. I called it a "reverse alarm clock" The line printer would print one line every 10 seconds or so. My only reason for being there was to change the paper when it had used a box. When it ran out of paper, I would wake up because of the absence of the rhythmic noise, change the paper, and go back to sleep. It was an all night shift and took several boxes of paper.

    2. Re:remote monitoring by schamarty · · Score: 1

      The Burroughs B1700 system we had in one of our branch offices had a hard disk that used to physically shake (we're talking a machine the size of a typical washing machine, and shaking pretty much the same way too!) every time a "sort" job started, due to all the head movement.

      We used to tell visitors that this is how sorting works: shake the disk and all the heavy records fall to the bottom :-) I'm sure many of them bought it, too...

  180. Breaking and Entering, err "Social Engineering" by bimskalabim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So 10 years ago I worked at a small ISP where the owner lived in a small apartment. In his apartment, he had a couple bonded ISDN lines that he then resold bandwidth off to a smaller business. Ever time the power went out (and the UPS ran out of juice), the ISDN equipment had to be manually reset for his and the customers lines to come back up. He went on vacation and of course the power went out. When I tried to get access to the apartment, the leasing company told me no, not without a signed letter allowing me access. I thought a bit, then rummaged around in his desk at work, found a contract he had signed, cut his signature out, taped it to a hastily typed letter saying I was allowed access to the apartment, and faxed it over to the complex. I then waited 30 seconds and called them up, saying he had just faxed it over to them and did they see it. They said "Yep, come over and get the keys" Made a couple copies before I gave them back. It was too easy.

  181. MicklePickle... by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    ...let me introduce you to the Shark Tank.

  182. I loved extended AT strings by tinkerghost · · Score: 2, Funny

    Between the Plain, &, and % codes you really could get away with things like:
    ATZ0%F0&UC&K2O1F&F which by the way is (IIRC) a perfectly acceptable init string to reset the modem to chipset default and then turn off some reporting that nobody uses anyway. It might also disable one of the 56K compression algorythms.

  183. misconception about American wiring... by name_already_taken · · Score: 1

    Which in turn is why Americans complain about how weedy electric cookers are, and don't generally boil water with electric kettles: I can have 7.5KW into an electric cooker (30A, 240V) or 3KW into a kettle (13A, 240V), while Americans can't get 70A into a cooker.

    Actually in the USA most electric stoves (cookers) are supplied with 220V AC circuits, these consist of two 120V legs 180 degrees out of phase and a neutral wire. Household stove circuits are often of 40A or 50A capacity at 220V, which translates to 80-100A at 120V. People (particularly American consumers) wouldn't stand for stoves that didn't cook. For most of the USA, it's simply cheaper to use natural gas as a heat source, and it's easy for a manufacturer to increase the heat output of a stove burner by using larger gas jet orifices in the appliance since the gas pipe supplying the stove is often capable of over 100,000 BTU/hr - not so easy for electric stoves that are inherently limited by the wiring.

    Being from the UK myself and living in the USA since 1982, I think the electric kettle thing is more of a cultural thing than a practical one. Americans don't drink much hot tea, preferring coffee. It's much easier to get your coffee from an appliance designed to make coffee, than a general purpose water heater like a kettle. Some people have hot water (about 190 degrees F) dispensers on their kitchen sinks for making things like tea. Kettles take up a lot of room on the kitchen counter surface for what they do.

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    1. Re:misconception about American wiring... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And at this point, most Americans heat water in the microwave, by the single cup. No need for a water heating appliance at all.

      But 30-40 years ago, every American household had a "hot pot" -- a small electric kettle used almost exclusively to heat water for tea or instant coffee (but sometimes to heat soup), usually sized around 4 cups. I still have two old ones, but haven't used them since the microwave came along.

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    2. Re:misconception about American wiring... by OriginalArlen · · Score: 1

      Kettles take up a lot of room on the kitchen counter surface for what they do. You've been in the US too long, geezer! You can't put a price on the value of a life-saving cuppa.
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    3. Re:misconception about American wiring... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I must just be weird then -- I usually heat water on the stove, both for cooking and for making tea (sweet, iced of course). But then again, I usually make tea by the pitcher, not the cup.

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    4. Re:misconception about American wiring... by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      Heating water in a microwave has always been bizarre to me as well. The first I'd heard of it was on some sort of news special/warning about "bursting" water (water heated in a microwave bursting when the surface tension is broken). For instant oatmeal, Cup o' Noodles soup, and the like, I've always used an electic or stove-heated kettle/teapot.

    5. Re:misconception about American wiring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think its nucleation of super heated water rather than surface tension, though I doubt that matters to you when it explodes in your face.

  184. Nuts, Bolts, and Other Errata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Your stories all involve corporations, IT firms, and other techie employers. Mine doesn't. It involves a tiny mom n' pop (literally) hardware store somewhere in the corporate wasteland of northern Delaware...

    I worked there full time for three years and still work there one piddly day a week because I know what I'm doing and it's easier than hiring and training somebody else for that one pissant little day. I'm the resident bithead, so naturally all computer problems get routed directly to me. I have no idea what these people did before I worked there. (To be fair, I work for a boring old computer-laden engineering company by day.)

    This place has a computerized point-of-sale system. It's called ABC, and I guess the right person with the right background might know that this is the "old" POS system used by TrueValue, formerly ServiStar - the two merged in the early 90's. The "new" system is Triad, and it runs in Windows in a semi-modern manner. No such luck for ABC; It runs in MS-DOS 6.0 (not 6.22) over Netware 3.1. All of the machines in this system (there are eight in total) are IBM GL300 workstations. Pentium 3's, with their vintage copies of Windows 98SE installed which are not used. Instead, every single machine in this system boots FROM A FLOPPY DISK. The hard drives remain untouched; Everything is pulled from a mapped network drive through DOS and Netware, which naturally resides on the server. And is read from floppy.

    The mind reels.

    So one of the first things I did upon discovering this was steal all the floppies and run them through my laptop, burning bootable CD's on halfway decent media and saving the floppy images on my hard drive, to be squirreled away on my file server at home. I loaded up every machine's CD's and set the boot order to go floppy -> CD -> hard disk. Already one of the bookkeeping machines upstairs and a POS terminal have had floppy failures and nobody even noticed until I pointed it out.

    But it gets better.

    It is of note that the ABC system runs in DOS and therefore requries very specific Netware compatible DOS drivers for its ethernet cards (IBM EtherJect 10/100 PCI cards, if you must know) and the sytem will only work with that specific type of card. Which is, helpfully, not made anymore. We've had multiple network card failures on one machine for reasons I'll get to in a moment, so my solution was to hie myself hence to eBay and purchase a lot of 25 of the stupid things for about as many dollars, which now reside in a file cabinet upstairs in a cardboard box maked with black sharpie: "Spare ABC parts network cards. Do not meddle with, mangle, or misplace, or we keel you." I now have some spare ABC boot disks and CD's in this box as well; If it is ever lost the entire business will surely go up in flames not long after.

    I should explain the proprieters of this establishment. It's owned by a husband and wife couple, and their son. Mom, actualy grandmom, is pushing eighty. Her husband is in a similar situation but his health dictates that he isn't involved in the workings of the company much anymore. They, and their son (pushing 50) are not technically inclined in the least; Grandmom does all of the bookkeeping and paperwork upstairs and refuses to use a PC; Instead she uses a vintage IBM Selectric typewriter (I kid you not) and has somehow, somewhere, managed to scrounge up a source for ribbons for the silly thing.

    All of our receipts and invoices are filed, by hand, in an imposing wall of file cabinets behind the office upstairs. They're in chronological order, every single one of them from about 1963, from when they bought the place from another owner. And grandmom can track down and pull any one of them inside of three minutes, and she's had to do it to settle disputes.

    The nightly backup is put on an ancient parallel port Iomega Jaz drive on cartridges that I'm not entirely sure even still hold data. We've never had to restore a backup and I've never pressed the point. Some day I will.

    But this is the crown jewe

  185. How 654k with a 640k limit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Not that anyone will ever see this down in AC land, but what the hey...

    The 640KB limit wasn't exactly 640KB. You young whippersnappers are probably too young to know about it, and yes, some of the old guys around here outclass with their pdp-11 talk, but it was actually possible to run up nearly 64K beyond the 640K boundary... and to access slightly beyond the 1MB boundary as well -- the area called the HMA High Memory Area, if memory serves.

    Remember, DOS used a segmented memory model at the time, two 16-bit words. The high word was the segment address, the low word the byte within the segment. IDR what the segment offset was (four sounds familiar, but IDR whether it was 4KB spacing, or four in the 16-bit=65535=64KB block, so 16KB spacing), but they overlapped, so different overlapping segments could reference the same physical memory location at different byte offset addresses relative to the segment.

    The trick to addressing that last bit of memory was to reference the last possible segment in the allowed area (640k or 1M), and then use byte addresses that extended beyond the segment limit. Since the addresses were 16-bit the segments were 65535 bytes or 64KB, and one could access nearly that much space beyond the limit (minus one segment offset) -- with the limitation that it all had to be treated as a single memory block, used by the same memory resident program, since only that last segment could access the entire thing.

    DOS had a couple config.sys options at the time, DOS=HMA, and DOS=UMB (which could be combined on a single line as DOS=UMB,HMA). UMB if I remember right allowed DOS to access the area between 640KB and 1MB for TSR (terminate and stay resident, the terminate referred to the initialization) programs, mainly device drivers and the like. HMA referred to the nearly 64KB above 1MB and told DOS to move as much of itself as possible to this segment, leaving only a stub, some 4-16KB IIRC, at the bottom of the 640KB area. The catch was that as I said, only one thing could be in that HMA area and DOS didn't take quite all of it, so if someone had something that could use the area a bit more efficiently, they'd not tell DOS to take the area, but tell this other thing to use it instead.

    Anyway, back to the 640KB. 640+64=704KB. As I said, it wasn't /quite/ that as it was a segment offset below that, but I think the segment offsets must have been 4KB as I believe I remember 700KB being the max. Of course, one couldn't use the /entire/ 700KB, as DOS itself took up some of it, and its various memory managers (himem.sys to enable 640-1MB access, another one, 386enh or some such, that managed > 1MB by swapping 64KB segments into a 64KB window in the >640KB area) took up a bit more, and various hardware drivers required a few KB below 640KB or 1MB if they could go above it, and the order they were stuffed into the 640K-1MB area made a difference because some were big during init but then shrank down substantially so they had to go in first while there was still room or they'd end up taking up main memory 640KB area, and... .

    Anyway, if one were lucky, and had spent the time learning how to fit the puzzle pieces consisting of all the drivers and other bits in /just/ right, often spending hours on hours doing so, only to have to do it again when a DOS or driver update changed how one or another piece fit or if one upgraded something, one could actually get a bit above 640KB free for use by a real program, tho just getting 640K free was considered quite a feat, almost a miracle. 654KB would have been possible -- just barely, and ONLY if one configured things /just/ right and didn't have any hardware with stubborn drivers. In theory, I think it was possible to do 680KB, but I don't believe I actually ever saw that available.

    Of course, back then, configuring the memory and drivers was the easy part. That was before PlugNPray, and just to get things working at all, one had often fought

    1. Re:How 654k with a 640k limit? by NighthawkFoo · · Score: 1

      EXCELLENT post. That tickled quite a few neurons that I've long since forgotten existed.

      On a different note, anyone remember memmaker?

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      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
      - Evelyn Beatrice Hall
  186. Joys of working with PHBs... by Pyrusj · · Score: 1

    Oh where to start...

    I worked for a PHB a year ago who believed that she knew everything there was to know about computers, or at least more than me, despite not being able (literally) to tell the difference between a modem and a NIC.

    When I was brought in as Network Admin, I was told that my first major job was to figure out "why the servers crashed so often". Not the best sign. I was then shown the server room. It was the furnace room, a tiny closet with no windows or a/c, piled high with every type of non-computer related trash (as in plastic wrappers and empty boxes, old food containers, empty coke cans etc) and 8 "servers" (some were Compaq ancient desktops, the ones used for the backup systems of course) running NT (a few were 2000) squashed together on tables. There was a server rack, but most of the servers didn't fit on it. On the ceiling a box fan had been hooked to the drop ceiling with coat hangers. As the cord did not reach the outlet, it was plugged into a power strip that hung in midair. The door to this room was always closed and locked tight.

    The temp was regularly between 90-110 degrees. At least one server crashed every day. She asked me to get it down to once a week, thinking this was normal. I did a full report for her on what needed to be done, including actually creating a backup system that worked (they weren't actually backing up user data at the time, only the windows installations on the two least essential servers, on the same tape once a week which was never checked). She read it, decided that first we needed to be "more organized" and spend the entire budget on a new rack. When it arrived, it was discovered that, just like the old one, none of the servers actually worked with it. So, she begged *additional* money to buy new rails etc. Two of the servers *still* did not fit, so the tables stayed. She even told me that the trash needed to stay because she needed to "sort through it" and there was nowhere else to put it.

    Incidently, when the CEO's computer crashed and he discovered that his data was not being backed up, my PHB blamed me, and the CEO *believed* her. I was officially reprimanded, and my protests ignored. This is just the first story of many, but let me sum up to say that at one point I actually requested an audience with the CEO (I was the Sr. Network Admin by that time (read: "only") but she was CIO) to talk about the problems with the network, how it could be fixed and why the CIO was frankly lying to him to cover her own ass. (I said it much more politely.) I was told that if I had a problem with her, I needed to change my mind or leave.

    I got out of there as quickly as I could.

  187. Small Business by Child+of+Wonder · · Score: 1

    At my first ever consulting gig I started for a small company of about 9 office employees and workstations. The workstations ranged from a Pentium II 233MHz w/32MB RAM running Windows 98 to a 3.0GHz P4 Mobile laptop with XP (and 40 processes worth of bloatware). 3 - Windows 98 machines 3 - Windows ME machines 3 - Windows XP machines I immediately knew I was in trouble when I saw what their previous IT guy had done. They had a very nice HP Laser printer hooked up to the network and configured for IP printing. This guy had hooked up the 233MHz Pentium box (used by the accountant) to print to it via IP Printing and then shared it to the rest of the network. Everyone else printed through that share on the Win 98 box rather than IP printing themselves. Needless to say, her old system slowed down quite a bit every time someone decided to print something.

  188. Dont forget Shark Tank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    COmputerworld has a similar daily dose of funny IT cluelessness, not really development stuff, but more tech support and hardware inanity. It's called Shark Tank.

  189. "Secure" data center by The+Mayor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I once worked for a dot-bomb e-commerce company. We had a product that tied into several major credit card issuers (i.e. >40% worldwide market share for issued credit cards). As part of the installation and maintenance of the product, I got to spend many weeks in MAE East (perhaps the biggest data center in the world). From what I've read about the Baby Bells' special networking rooms when the NSA scandal broke last year, I wouldn't be surprised if these servers shared one of those special rooms with the NSA routers.

    The data center was about 5 floors below ground level. No form of wireless communications worked whatsoever--cell phones, pagers, etc. Once I parked my car, I had to go to an unlabeled metal door with a tiny camera on the top. Security guards would buzz me in and require me to sign in at their station. Then I would get buzzed in to the main data center room that contained another room inside of it. From there, I had to enter a password into another security system and place my palm on a palm scanner. Inside this room was another security guard--I would have to sign in with them, too. Then I would enter a different password into another security system, and place my head in front of this retinal scanner. This would buzz me into another room with the cages for each of the clients. There was a padlock on the cage, behind which were our servers. The servers required two separate smart IDs to be placed into an external card reader so that there had to be at least 2 people there to perform any maintenance. The servers themselves were locked down pretty tightly, too. It all seemed pretty insane as far as security goes, but I understood--these computers contained every credit card for the credit card issuer.

    Well, after about 3 days of going to this data center, everyone got to know me. They would sign in for me to speed up the process. The security guard behind the door with the palm scanner used to get very hot, so she would often block the door open, thus defeating the palm scanner. The retinal scanner also had problems, often requiring about 3 tries before it would read correctly, so that door was often blocked open, too. Then, one day one of us had forgotten our smart card. We started cursing, as the round trip to pick up the card was about 45 minutes, so we tried it with only one smart card. Bingo. It worked. So then we tried it with no card. Seems the card readers weren't functioning properly. So, overall, we were able to defeat all of the security measures except for the padlock, and all because the security staff (getting paid 2 bucks above minimum wage, no doubt) all "knew" us. In my humble opinion, it would have been far smarter to *not* have the security guard in the foyer behind the palm scanner. After all, social engineering is probably the most common form of circumventing security.

    Another funny thing about this was that we had a rather difficult security audit for all code releases. We had a bunch of ex-NSA employees working for us that were rather good about it, too. We would also hire outside auditors to do reviews of major code releases. It was all fantastastic, except for one thing: code patches didn't get the same scrutiny as code releases. In fact, they got none. Well, in order to expedite the release of one particular feature (that required emailing confirmation to customers), we packaged it as a "patch". No security audits. And for something that required the installation of a mail server! Furthermore, the code base had access to the record-level encryption used to store the credit cards. So, basically, if I had wanted, I could have installed a bit of code that would have decrypted all of the credit cards of users of our software and emailed them to a third party. I could not believe it. It's a good thing I have what I consider to be high moral and ethical standards.

    I realized through this ordeal that security measures are not put in place to ensure security. They are put in place to give people the perception of security. And, furthermore, automation and removing the human element are good things for security. People should be used to monitor and oversee automated security, not to be actively involved in that automated security.

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    --Be human.
    1. Re:"Secure" data center by MyHair · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't be surprised if these servers shared one of those special rooms with the NSA routers.


      In my limited experience, private high-dollar interests like banks, jewelry distributors and even corporate HQ's have tighter security than military and goverment locations. I haven't dealt with the NSA, but the security at military bases and GAO sites appeared much more lax than many private sites. The tightest places I've been (as a then field tech) have been jewelry distributors, CC/check processing centers and EDS HQ. Oh, and then of course the armored car barn...freaky place with all doors always locked and all doors having gun ports and bulletproof windows, but unlike the previous places I mentioned I was left alone (without an escort) although locked in a small room with two or three gunports.
    2. Re:"Secure" data center by The+Mayor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is the truth. My comment about the NSA rooms is that, after reading the stories last year, the room I was in matched the descriptions perfectly. Palm scanner, retinal scanner, and serious security. Oh, and there were tons of Juniper fiber routers in there. And that was in 1999!

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      --Be human.
    3. Re:"Secure" data center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great point about the social engineering. Reminds me of how Eddie Norton got past security in "The Score."

  190. me by sir+8ed · · Score: 1

    what a hack.

  191. Other Amiga hacks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if it counts as clever or ugly, but many years ago I was working with Amiga code to control theater lights. The interface basically involves repeatedly sending a frame of the lights' current levels over a serial line. Unfortunately the data rate is faster than the Amiga (1000) serial driver could manage. However the Amiga had additional graphics chips which could use the horizontal return to do other work, such as writing out to the serial port. The vertical refresh could then be used to hold the output high to signal the start of a new frame. The end result was that the CPU was doing nothing and the graphics chips were doing all the work.

    The same place had a computer with so many peripherals that the power supply couldn't keep up, so there was a second power supply sitting on the floor with wires running into a hole in the side of the computer.

    As for an ugly hack... Yesterday I was visiting my wife at her now job when everyone's version of MS Word crashed within a few minutes. Since I was there I did a little digging. The IT folks had decided that to make backups easier they would store all documents on the main server, including Word's temporary files. So if the network goes down not only can you not open or save docs, but Word dies. Who do you call when this happens? No one, the IP phones run over the same network. I didn't look to see where the swap space was, I was too scared.

    1. Re:Other Amiga hacks by ir · · Score: 0

      The real question is why the hell Word needs temporary files to operate.

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      Irina Romanov
  192. UPS Foolishness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for Canadian Natural Resources in Calgary. Other than running >100 Oracle databases off of a single Oracle instance, the most foolhardy setup that they had was placing an on/off switch BETWEEN the server racks and the UPS. Seemed like a funny setup to me, but it wasn't very funny when the ENTIRE organization's computing infrastructure (another dumb-ass design decision) went dark when someone said 'hey, what does THIS switch do?' I'm not sure if they ever did a calculation of the cost of the lost productivity for ~1500 people for 1.5 hours was. At a minimum it is over a year's work hours for a single person. Obviously someone in charge there doesn't understand what the U in UPS means.

  193. Whatever works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One memorable IT setup I've seen: In the early 90's an old NT paging software application would stop paging people over the weekend. Someone figured out that the system was hibernating due to inactivity. So on Friday nights as we left work we'd crank up a plastic, spring-loaded "micro-go-round" microwave oven turn-table, set the mouse on it (the mouse and turn-table were placed at the length of the mouse cable so the mouse couldn't move away from the PC) and released it. The turntable clicked and rotated for most of the weekend (releasing the spring tension) and kept the PC from going to sleep until Monday morning.

  194. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1
    Mark went and got some plastic shield and thus a splash guard deflector was instantly fabricated.

    It sounds to me like that might introduce some cooling issues--hot air tends to rise, covering the top of a rack with plastic might allow the hotter air to collect and cause thermal issues.

  195. Concrete Anyone? by thed00d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've got several bad IT scenarios that I could share, but this one is the best I've personally seen.

    The building my company is in was never designed to house IT infrastructure - even new newer additions are not build to house IT infrastructure. But we've made do and put infrastructure where we can, even if it means sharing a closet with the cleaning crew. One such closet had and old catalyst 2900 24 port switch in it, with the ports facing upwards. The connection are nice and hardwired into the switch, and generally looks like a rats nest (it pre-dates my employment). Recently in the renovation of the floor above it, the construction crew needed to poor a new floor. It didn't occur to them to plug the holes that had been drilled through the old floor over time, or cap the stubbed in conduit that had been put in. As a result of this the switch with it's ports facing upwards was filled with concrete. Completely and utterly filled. The cleaning crew reported that the fans made an awful noise for days. The switch never failed and is still in operation, although we can't unplug any cables or plug any new wiring into it.

    At a different company, the server administrator was deeply convinced that rack mount server cases were evil and caused problem. He didn't want to use tower or desktop cases either, his reasoning? They were ugly (his words). The solution? He ordered servers, removed the motherboards from them, zip tied them into the rack via their screw-down holes, and placed the hard drives directly on top with cardboard "protecting" them from the motherboard. 5 racks of servers mounted just like this. I quite after a week of working for them, as I didn't want to be anywhere near that place when a zip-tie failed.

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    http://www.accelerateglobalwarming.com
    1. Re:Concrete Anyone? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      Recently in the renovation of the floor above it, the construction crew needed to poor a new floor. It didn't occur to them to plug the holes that had been drilled through the old floor over time, or cap the stubbed in conduit that had been put in. As a result of this the switch with it's ports facing upwards was filled with concrete.
      Not IT, but similar. A part of subway tunnel maintenance in Paris involves injecting concrete into cracks. One such crack extended into a famous restaurateur's wine cellar. After a night of furious concrete pumping, all his prized grand crus classés bottles ended-up being preserved for eternity inside a huge concrete block...
  196. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Deadstick · · Score: 1
    Peter resolved the impass by calling the health and safety group

    Marvelously effective technique...I've actually had a facilities guy tell me he couldn't make a fix, then whisper in my ear to file a hazard report. OSHA may be a pain in the ass, but sometimes you can direct it to somebody else's ass.

    rj

  197. Most Bizarre by wolff000 · · Score: 1

    How about running around 30 large hubs daisy chained together and calling it a network? That is what my current employer had until 5 years ago when we finally but some cisco gear and made a real network. Because of the patchwork nature it was all but impossible to push anything out to the user pcs. Any software upgrade took days since we had to physically go to each and every machine to install by cd. Biggest pain and most bizarre setup I have come across. Not a hack, but bizarre.

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    WTF?
  198. Ding. Ding. Ding. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    Ding. Ding. Ding. Give the man a prize! Yes, we had to run a various set of hacks to get where we needed to be. I remeber, we had to first makes sure that all drivers were loaded to upper memory with himem. This had to be done in a perticular order, because if loaded in the wrong order, they would take an extra k or two of the himem. We would also have to run some of the tools in the qemm386 package to, as you said, free the video memory. For those that don't know, there was a small amount of the upper memory reserved for text mode video. All of this had to be in just the right order, with just the right number of buffers.

    A good deal of the time, we just had to accept that we could not have CD drivers loaded if we wanted to compile. Of course the guy writing the compiler, and in control of our paychecks did not actually run the compiler himself, so while he was unwilling to fix the problem, he could not actually get enough free memory to run it either. We were basically just told, figure out a way to run it.

  199. Damned cleaning crews by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    Then we found out that the cleaning crew was using portable "backpack" vacuum cleaners. They would plug into a wall outlet that was on the same breaker as our lab. When the breaker popped, they would reset it, and continue cleaning.

    At my last job, one of the sites got a nice, new network printer/copier. They were a Mac shop, but their printer didn't support Macs natively. Solution: a small parallel port print server that did AppleTalk. When you plugged it in, a phantom printer appeared on the network for five minutes. You had to "print" a specially-formatted text file to that phantom to configure the server (this was in 1999 or 2000, so browser-based UIs had not yet become widespread). When AC power was lost, the print server was set back to is defaults.

    We kept getting calls from those guys that they couldn't print to their new printer. We'd investigate, find out that the server had lost its config, reconfigure it, and move on-- they didn't want to put a UPS there just for the print server, so this continued for a while. I think we even had an electrician in to check that outlet. Finally one morning we got another call, and I went over to find the AC adapter for the print server unplugged. It was then that we realized that it was the cleaning crew unplugging the stuff for their vacuum, and they had forgotten to plug it back in this time.

    We posted a small sign next to the outlet that said (in English and Spanish) "Do not unplug these!" They still unplugged them. So we ended up buying a lockbox that screwed onto the outlet so the outlets could not be unplugged unless you had the key. That finally fixed the problem.

    ~Philly

  200. Temporary quarters by NorbrookC · · Score: 1

    I started as a systems admin at one place about 6 months after they had started their move into a new data center. While the new center was being built, they moved into "temporary" quarters. The "temporary" turned out to be for another 18 months. The server room was a converted office space, which was carpeted. There wasn't much room to move around in, because of the number of servers that had been shoved into the room. That doesn't even include the number of cables running around, the "temporary" wiring, the use of small UPC's to try to minimize some of the power issues. Let's not forget the large number of static pads we put in, to try to minimize the inevitable static charges.

    My "favorite" hack was the clear plastic boxes we duct-taped over the power switches to two of the servers I had. That was to stop the rest of the IT staff from turning off the servers when they bumped into them - which happened about once a day until we did that. About six months after I started, I discovered a server in the room that no one had remembered. It was a print server, which had the simple job of determining which printer a given document was supposed to be sent to, and routing it accordingly. One of our vendors had made some requested changes in document formats, and we'd added in a new printer, which caused all printing to come to a screeching halt. It didn't take long to figure out that the print server was locked up. The problem was that no one seemed to know where it was. After searching through the server room for almost an hour, I happened to notice an old PC stuck way back in a corner on the floor under a desk - which turned out to be the print server.

  201. Bad Hacks by RyogaHibiki · · Score: 1

    I had worked for a company, which shall remain nameless, that insisted on using 1 Cat5 cable for 2 jacks and put dialup modem banks to use as T1 routers as they were "cheaper" than regular T1 routers and all purchased on ebay for next to nothing... Needless to say, there were nothing but problems and I made my leave as quickly as I could.

  202. Budget cuts makes some good ones by agoliveira · · Score: 1

    About 10 years ago I was working for the local branch of a large medical insurance company. We were going to move to a brand new 3 store office and my boss asked me to design the new network. We had about 150 PCs and a few servers. Most of the PCs would have their places at the first floor, we (IT) would be on the second and the rest of the PCs on the 3rd floor. So I went for something easy and simple: a rack with patch panels and switches on each floor and a redundant fiber backbone connecting them. Easy to keep, fix and expand.
    When I presented it to my boss he said, fine but those switches you're asking (good manageable Cisco's) are quite expensive, can we do with others? I said "Yes but we are going to loose some ability to diagnose and expand, split lans, etc". New design and again my boss asked about the fiber backbone because would be expensive, etc. Well, to make a long story short, I endded up with just one rack on the second floor with el cheapo switches, all the CAT5s coming directly from the PCs to this rack so, instead of having just a few fibers from one floor to another we had a large chunk of cables. Of course that any idea of mainintance or expansion would be a nightmare. Luckly, I left this job some time later.

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  203. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Reapman · · Score: 1

    A month after installing an almost $1 million dollar server / SAN setup in our eastern office they discovered that it was directly underneath a water pipe.. of course they only discovered that when it burst, destroying all of the still new equipment overnight.

    Our office sent them an umbrella as a gift as our "splash guard" :P Reading your story reminded me of that.. ahh good times!

  204. Public schools... Uggggg.... by criznach · · Score: 1

    As a traveling school district tech, I once visited a school where the local yahoos had installed a 48 port hub under a sink in the kid's bathroom. To keep the little kiddies from pulling the patch cables out, someone had very carefully cut the release tabs off of all of the RJ45 ends.

  205. Windows NT 4 Web Server with... by Trails · · Score: 1

    Virtual Memory and Pagefile set to 0 MB.

    "Why does it keep crashing?" - Sysadmin

  206. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Reapman · · Score: 1

    Our old Cabletron hubs (the name escapes me now it was awhile ago... man I'm getting old) had the enviromental module with a nice LCD display that showed, amongst other things, temperature of the unit. The thing was quite large, larger then a Cisco 6509 we have now.

    One of the times our AC died, the commisionaires that were looking at it said our temperature monitoring unit was obviously wrong since it showed the wrong temperature. I went to look at our thermastat and it was fine... then he pointed out what our "temperature monitoring unit" was.... our central cabletron hub that managed the network for like 500 users. Had a bit of trouble explaining that it's primary purpose was not just to show the damn temperature!

    Probably a you had to be there, but got a few good chuckles over it.

  207. The horrors I've seen as a DC NOC Tech/Admin by reddcell · · Score: 1

    Past few years I've worked for a few different datacenters across my state, mostly night shifts, as either a NOC Tech....or Admin. Here's a quick list of some of the monstrosities I've seen...ill try to keep the worst for last. - Bread racks for Server Racks - cat5 'spliced' together...then electrical taped....ran across a DC. - A/C and Ventilation for an entire phase of a dC by having a door open...unprotected....street level. - had a office that used alot of a old CompUSA brand switch...and when you'd plug both ends of a patch cable in to 2 of its ports....it would flood the network beyond believe and render it useless. a Contract IT guy did this occasionally to get calls and make money. I have one...'Switch of Death' displayed in my office. - (this is one of my favorites) found a dead rat in what we called 'rat's nests'. They are the unorganized bundles of dusty cable/wire found behind racks...typically in corners. - an entire 'zone' of a DC that never used racks.....servers on the floor....stacked on others...etc etc. QUALITY CONTROLLLLLLLLLLLL - we've all seen data ports in wall plates right? Well what about one that had 2 ports...and for some reason the top was made 'Live' when the cat cable came out of a hole in the wall next to it...and plugged in to the bottom port. : D ill add more as I remember. I'll come back and add more when I remember them.

  208. Water from heaven by Secrity · · Score: 1

    The worst situation that I have seen was a wiring closet full of Cisco gear that had an air handler mounted in the ceiling, the drain plugged up and the water started raining down onto the Cisco racks on the Friday before a long weekend.

    I also worked in a Bell telco office that had a water boiler type humidifier mounted in the ceiling over a #1 4W ESS AUTOVON switch (cold war era military telephone network). The humidifier tank rusted out and scalding, crusty water ran all over several racks carrying military telco traffic. The worst part was that the humidifier was over 20 years old and replacement parts were unavailable. Luckily the flood didn't cause a switch outage. Almost all of the AUTOVON #1 4W ESS's ran for thirty years with ZERO down time. There were three controllers in the switch, any two controllers could declare a third controller to be insane and cut it off.

    The AT&T AUTOVON offices had WECo built switches and were located in underground buildings. The non-AT&T AUTOVON switches were made by Automatic Electric and many were located in above ground buildings. The AT&T switches passed the government EMP tests and the buildings were shock mounted heavy duty underground fallout shelters that were designed to survive a nuclear detonation that wasn't all that far away. Everything was shock mounted, even the toilets were mounted on rubber shock mounts. The non-AT&T switches usually did not pass the government EMP tests and required very high speed tape drives to reload the controller memory in the event of an EMP caused by a nuclear weapon detonation. The above ground buildings had huge sprinkler systems that were intended to wash the fallout off of the roof of the building. Luckily the nuclear resistance of any of these buildings was never tested.

  209. Mainframe vs. Toaster by javalizard · · Score: 1

    I was at Carnegie Mellon University back in '98 when this happened (give or take a year). This is an unconfirmed story so I'm not sure the exact details. In the main server room for the campus there was a break room. Someone had put a toaster in there so people could eat "on the go." This one particular day someone made dark toast. When the timer ended and popped the food unit, it was out of alignment and the toast got stuck on the lip of the toaster. It kept the heating elements on and eventually it started to burn. Smoke propogated and triggered the halon system in the computer room. Thirty seconds later the room was evacuated and all the machines were automatically shut down. It took two weeks to bring all the interdependent systems back online. I don't remember exactly but it took at least 24 hours to get the email systems back up. Toaster wins.

  210. Over-burdened system, under-served department by papastout · · Score: 1

    I worked for a health clinic for a few years that had the most ridiculous setup I have ever seen: On a 533mhz server with 1gb memory and two raid 1 disk arrays we have: a windows 2000 server acting as a domain controller for a little over 50 users, running SQL server, also as an application server for the finance department software (peachtree, then MAS) also serving a proprietary data analytics program which ran a SQL scrub operation nightly on about 2.5 GB data; exchange 2000 server with a third party POP collector (I still don't get what those are for); as a file server and to top it off it was licensed as a small business and back office server, so it was also limited to 50 users (yeah, I needed to learn to count my users... duh) I had a routine that had me going into work at least two hours before anyone else was there in order to do a system reset because one of the applications that interacted with SQL had a flaw that would not release the memory it took up in its night operation without a reboot. This system lived in a closet with an NT server running a single program that operated in a DOS shell and ran velocis database software and a SQL server to provide data to the application server. Also in the closet was a little remote service box (a networked computer running PC anywhere over a modem). The server closet had a slotted door for ventilation, and a small fan to draw air into it. Needless to say that the ambient room temperature was always above 80F. So I show up, the only man on staff, and on a $50,000 grant I completely renovate their small little network into an innovative gigabit modern data crunching machine complete with money saving devices like managed switches, thin clients, open source network service management (nessus, squid, mail gateway, firewall/port forwards, spam assasin)... and then I got outsourced to a 'consulting firm' for the expressed intent of saving money... and has no *nix support, experience or knowledge. I'm sure they'll figure out that was not a wise move. Disgruntled? Maybe a little, but I took the high road and gave them explicit instructions to change all their passwords upon my exit. They never did

  211. A few of the ones I've seen. by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

    I was working for an IT consulting company and my contract with a client had just ended. They had no new contracts available so they offered me 2 weeks severance as long as I agreed to hang out at their main office and be the office computer guy for a few hours a day. One of the first things they had me do was to look at a PC in a conference room that they said they thought had a virus. So I fired it up and found Sub 7, back orifice, some sort of IRC bot and numerous other trojans running. For whatever reason I pulled up ipconfig and saw that the IP address of this computer was a 4.x.x.x which I immediately recognized as a Verizon IP address. Mind you this was plugged into a wall jack in the building. So I ran across the hall to the PC on my desk and sure enough it had a 4.x.x.x IP. I checked about 3 other computers and they did as well. I went back into the room that had their networking equipment and saw that they had plugged a Fujitsu DSL "modem" directly into their switch in the office and it was handing out IPs to the computers on their network. I told the VP out there that their entire network, servers and printers were publicly accessible from the internet and they should assume their entire network had been compromised at this point. I asked him why they (meaning him since he set it up) did this and he basically said "Well....It worked..." So I had them pick up a cheapo Linksys router and threw it in place and told them to buy updated copies of Norton Antivirus and load it on all their computers. By that time, my time was up and I left them to their own devices.

    The next place I worked as was as an on-call part time network admin. They would just call me at home whenever they needed something done. Their main file/print/exchange server was fairly decent looking but inside was a different story. It had a 1.2GB IDE drive, 20GB drive and a 10GB drive combined into a volume set, and then that volume set was partitioned into 3 equally sized drives. Most of their exchange stuff was spread across those 3 partitions. The file data was on a 36GB IBM 10k drive. My first order of business was to get rid of that 1.2Gb drive that must have been inherited from another computer. Luckily they had a unopened 40GB drive floating around that I used to move all data to and if they didn't need it for another purpose I was going to get rid of all the drives in the volume set, but sadly they needed it for another computer so I broke the volume set and removed the 1.2GB drive and then created single partitions on each drive and redistributed the exchange data. They had recently purchased a MaxAttach NAS box which I configured to make differential backups of the server. Other things I had to deal with were the 5$ network card in the server failing and dumping garbage onto the network (confirmed by Ethereal). I told the head guy to buy an Intel Pro/100 card to replace it. He went down to Fry's and came back with a 10$ Realtek card that the guy told him was "just as good". That card lasted about a week and started having autonegotiate problems with the switch. I brought it back up to the head guy there that he went against my recommendation. So he took it back and got the Intel Pro/100 card that I had asked for initially and the network performance nearly doubled. A few weeks later the server went down again this time the 10K drive had overheated and started filling the event log with disk errors. I told him to buy a pair of 10K 36GB drives so I could set up mirroring as well as 2 front mounted drive fan kits. After that the server was running like a champ. I was going to throw out the old 36Gb drive but I took it home to use as a place to temporarily hold data. I ran IBM diagnostics on it and it completed a wipe and was able to remap the bad sectors and worked great as the main drive in my old SGI Indy. There were some other things I had to do there as well such as convert their 486 server with a 540MB drive that ran Novel 3.x to a new NT server after the drive failed. This server held all the data from their Accp

  212. Old School Hacks by AZScotsman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    10+ years ago, I used to work for a Networking Software company called Artisoft in their Tech Support office. There were two notable hacks that come to mind. The first one I only heard about (file this one under Urban Legend if you please), but someone needed to network their farm house to their barn. Their solution: Barbed wire that was twisted just enough to simulate CAT 3 wiring. Worked ok, except for the dropout when the cows would lean against the fence.... The other one was a case I worked on. Gent in Florida or Louisiana had lost conectivity between two machines on a coaxial network. Now, as 80% of existing network failure can be attributed to cabling, I had him check the span.... He had to look under the house (the structure turned out to be on stilts in the swamps) and lo and behold the cable was broken. By an alligator/crocodile living under the house.... I wished him luck and closed the case....

  213. I work for a bank by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

    ...'nuff said. Every day is a non-stop WTF? and head scratching experience. When I was hired, the VP of IT left due to the fact that he knew I actually knew what I was doing and it was only a matter of time before he was found out. (he had been there over 8 years) Then the promotion to his spot went to someone who has zero computer experience, and a B.S. degree in HR. She was without a PC for over a week due to a hard drive crash and I was on vacation... this is the manager of IT.

    You can imagine the lovely surprises I still find to this day some 2 years later.

    * Who needs switches, hubs are cheaper... but why is the bandwidth so crappy?

    * We are going to run 28 VOIP phones on a single 64k Frame relay that also supplies internet and connectivity... what? Thats a problem? make it happen!

    * I had over 6 in person meeting to explain that we could upgrade from 64k to full T1's for a *third* of what we were paying for 64k... YES we save money and get 20+ times the speed... NO no extra costs... denied. another meeting... denied. another meeting, etc. 6 times until it was still begrudgingly accepted!

    * We have fiber links! (after seeing speeds around 2mbps and investigating) No, we have fiber connecting the buildings via 10mbps ports on hubs.

    * We don't have that T1. Yes we do. No we don't. In a basement, *behind* the current wooden panel that houses the current telco equipment, sure enough an old T1 channel bank that still was working. How could I have missed it?

    * We need 4 custom servers, a rack, a switch, 60 patch cords of different lengths, 4 PC's, and some cable management ordered. OK. We need it in 4 days. I don't think so. They are custom servers... 2 weeks later I get it all (still damn near a miracle) and have it up and running only to get shit about how long it took and told that I should have shipped it overnight next time (which I did of course). They must have missed the part where building custom servers takes a vendor more than 10 minutes let alone 4. Yeah, the shipping held it up.

    * APC units that are installed, and working, but everything plugged into the outlet next to it.

    * And best of all... our annual IT budget? $500.00 yep. 500 bucks.

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  214. Ah Nuclear Power Plants by MoronBob · · Score: 1

    I worked for a company that did robotic inspections of heat exchangers. We had portable data acquisition units with metal cases and of course the metal case was connected to the ground wire on the three pronged plug. We kept blowing power supplies and communication interfaces on those boxes. One day we decided to check the metal grating the boxes were sitting on inside the reactor building with a volt meter. It measured over 120 volts to ground. So we clipped the ground wires on everything and wrapped the boxes in plastic and wouldn't you know it no more problems.

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  215. PC in a freezer by kookeytalker · · Score: 1

    Its well known that freezing or cooling failing hard drives can get them working, usually temporariy. At one place I worked we had a PC that was near permanent fixture in the freezer. The company was so cheap that they wouldn't replace it, but they also couldn't lose the data! Gah! Regardless, it was very common to walk into the breakroom, see a nest of cables coming from the freezer and see a developer using a keyboard, mouse and monitor on a table.

  216. Hot servers! by DennyK · · Score: 1

    At a web hosting company I used to work for in Orlando, our main datacenter was in Fremont, CA, and we had servers hosted in a few other datacenters around the country, but we also had a number of older servers hosted in our Orlando office, a small office/industrial building in an industrial park. When I first started working there, the "server room" there was a tiny supply closet with wire bookshelves holding the servers. Cooling was provided by going into the ceiling, ripping the flexible AC ductwork off of other outlets, and dropping it into the closet.

    At one point, we got rid of one of our data centers and moved several dozen old BSDi web servers from it to the Orlando office. There was no room for them in our server closet, so we stuck them in an uncooled storage area in the warehouse section in back. Now, this was in Florida, so that room would routinely be well over 100 degrees during the summer. We usually had to reboot a dozen of those servers a day when they'd overheat. Sometimes they wouldn't recognize the hot-swappable drives upon rebooting. When that happened, we'd just yank the drives out and throw them in the break room freezer for five minutes, then plug them back in.

    At some point, they moved the server "rack" (a wire shelf with wheels) out to the garage area and left the garage door open to provide some ventilation. Of course, this meant that there was a rack of computers on wheels, not secured in any manner, sitting inside an open garage in the middle of an industrial ghetto (our cars were regularly broken into while parked at the office). I'm amazed no one simply walked in and wheeled them away.

    Despite all that, those servers continued to run just fine and almost never had any hardware failures. They eventually built a real server room with its own climate control and moved everything there, and those things kept right on going up until the time the company that bought them out closed that office.

  217. An office wired entirely in cross-over cables.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a rookie desktop support guy working for me in a small San Jose office whom i though could handle the cabling for a new furniture purchase. After he quit for greener pastures i had to pick up the support role myself and to my surprise discovered that he wired the entire office in Cross-over cables. From the patch panel to the switch then at the users desk another crossover cable from the wall to the computer. It all worked if you stuck to crossover cables but was a real pain to work with...

  218. 200 Gallons of Terror hanging over my servers by stevetures · · Score: 1

    In my small server room that I inherited, I was sitting working one day at the terminal when I heard a drip-drip-drip. I looked up to see a warped ceiling panel and water dripping down.

    I was a little terrified but I got up on a ladder, removed the ceiling tile, and found the evaporation bucket the size of the server room itself. Some fool had put the drain for this large (200 Gallon) tray at the lip of the tray instead of the bottom. Thus 200 gallons, a 'youre fired' amount of water was hanging over my servers at all times.

    It took myself and another engineer hours to siphon all of the water out into large plastic tanks using a garden hose. That's when the building maintenance people hit me with this gem: "We can't fix it. But we'll put an alarm up there to go and empty it when its full". A ladder and broom to tap the bucket are now standard issue for that room. Lame...

  219. University IT by Tetravus · · Score: 1

    But you got out right? I'm in university IT hell right now... rogue administrative departments deploy their own solutions, central IT doesn't have any clue (why yes, we are still running NT4 systems. It's what the sysadmins are comfortable with.), and there's always money for new capital expenses but not salaries or training.

    Just gotta hang on for a few (12 is a "few" right?) more months... Please tell me that you got out to a job that has proper hardware support and requires specifications for projects before they begin.

    1. Re:University IT by ximenes · · Score: 1

      I regret to inform you that I have not escaped, and still work there to this day. Its been over 6 years of constantly telling myself that its only going to be a few more months of this and then off to the real world to at the very least be tormented in different ways.

      I can't really say what the problem is; I've applied to jobs that were literally word-for-word the sort of work that I've done for nearly ten years and without exaggeration I'm capable of doing it. At this point the only thing that I can figure is the distaste industry has for those with educational work histories (and vice versa). I know that when people apply at my university there is a definite bias towards those who have worked at universities before -- they know what to expect, don't require as much time to get acclimated, don't have very high expections, whatever.

      Best of luck though. Having worked in the real world prior to this job, I can say that it sucks too, but at least theres the invisible hand of the bottom line -- if someone fucks up badly enough in industry they get fired; not so in academia.

  220. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "temperature in summer goes over 38 C (about 95F) and the machine (Sun inside) generally freezes after two hours of operation"

    The Sun freezes because it gets too hot?

  221. Cabletron UPS wiring fiasco by patmandu · · Score: 1

    Many moons ago I...er...I mean "a friend" worked at Cabletron in Durham, NH. There was a glass walled server room that had a badge lock, and all the 'important' server machines went in there. After a couple of power blinkages, someone got the go-ahead to install a massive diesel UPS unit outside the building. There were a few (noisy) test firings of the diesel, and all seemed to be working as planned.

    Then we had an ice storm which caused a power outage one weekend...

    The diesel fired up...the power flowed...and all the servers in the server room stayed up. Two problems though:

    1) The air conditioning was not on the UPS. The machines continued to run...without A/C...for hours. The machines started overheating and crashing. Some poor schmuck IT guy drove in from home...through the ice storm...to investigate why he couldn't contact one of the servers. There he found:

    2) The badge-access door lock system was not on the UPS either. He managed to get into the building somehow, but when he got to the server room and discovered the A/C problem, he couldn't open the server room door to let some cooler air in and/or shut down the machines gracefully. Without a key to the lock, he wasn't getting in. He sat and waited for the key to arrive, as more systems baked and died.

    Several machines and disks were lost in that exercise...and the UPS was rewired shortly afterwards. A liquid crystal thermometer got taped up on the inside of one of the windows too.

    1. Re:Cabletron UPS wiring fiasco by singingjim · · Score: 0

      DOH! If ever a story was deserving of one.

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  222. not even groupware by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    Most sites seem to use it because they're addicted to the calendaring, but there were better apps for that before that were cross platform (unlike that one). And there are better calendaring apps, now too, just different from a few years ago. Otherwise, it'd be gone in a heartbeat and replaced with a real mail transfer agent.

    ... AFAICT it's fine for use as a groupware server ...

    I used to believe that, in absence of other data, until I had more and more contact with people actually using it. Even people on the same physical server. It'd be funny to see if it weren't such a sabotage of productivity. Losing an important mail is not just losing 5 minutes: there's waiting for the important mail, figuring out that it really is gone and not at the destination, the phone calls, the stress, calming from the stress and then figuring out what you were doing before you figured out the error and then getting back to where you left off.

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  223. Not a bizarre IT setup, but still a clever PC hack by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

    I once had a 486 Linux box I set up for myself and roommates to use. We had a couple spare serial terminals, so I put two serial cards in the machine so I'd have enough serial ports to cover a mouse, two terminals and a modem. With the serial cards came two printer ports, only one of which I needed. IRQs started to become a problem. Fortunately, one the I/O cards was flexible enough it allowed assigning IRQs 5 and 7 to the COM ports. These IRQs were normally used by the printer port.

    Later, I added an NE2K clone card to the machine along with a sound card. One of the serial terminals was retired and replaced with my roommate's PC connected by Ethernet. The sound card insisted on IRQ 5, and the NE2K card only allowed selecting between IRQ 2 and IRQ 5. IRQ 2 was already taken--it's the "cascade" interrupt that IRQ 9 and up map to--leaving me with only IRQ 5. (I forget what else I had munching IRQs. I believe my Adaptec 2740 ate one of the upper IRQs, which would explain why I couldn't use the cascade interrupt.) What to do, what to do...

    I took a jumper wire intended to hook a CD-ROM drive to the sound card (as I didn't have a CD-ROM drive at the time), and used it to jump the IRQ 7 post on one of the I/O boards to the IRQ select line on the NE2K card. Voila! The NE2K was now on IRQ 7.

    I ran that way for a good year or so until I could retire the extra serial ports. I didn't retire the machine for another few years.

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  224. Datacenter "bunker" by fabrini88 · · Score: 1

    I use to work for one of the biggest banks in my country. Datacenter was on the 5th floor, and suposedly the room was a bunker, concrete and steel walls. Access door was like a vault. Had to pass 3 doors, buzzed open with a smartcard. All servers containing customer accounts, money, credit card data.. everything a bank manages where in here. One day the bank execs where bragging about the security of the datacenter, that it would stand an airplane crashing in to it and blah blah.. The next week a large Fishtank they had on the 6th floor offices broke, spilling gallons and gallons of water (not to say unlucky goldfish) ...Water leaked down, all hell broke loose in the "bunker" it was literally raining inside. Had to put all plastic covers over servers, open all vault doors, shut down the bank's operation to clean up and save servers without loosing data. Execs didn't comment about the incident.

  225. Re:Not a bizarre IT setup, but still a clever PC h by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

    Oh, and I should point out that while the printer ports *could* use IRQs, the Linux printer driver at the time operated the ports in polling mode, so thankfully they didn't need to eat up my precious IRQs. I didn't connect either to an IRQ. The fact that the printer ports, when run in interrupt driven mode, used IRQs 5 and 7 is the reason the boards even cared to think about these IRQs.

  226. RE: Bizarre I.T setups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, maybe this isn't bizarre, but it's not something you see every day. When I joined my current school, most of the computers were from a single company, except about ~250. Most had XP Pro, except the 250, which were Windows 98 First Edition. The network (had about ~1250 computers at that time) worked. Mostly. Then, all at once, they installed service pack two on some of the computers but not others (god knows why), installed XP Pro onto the Windows 98 computers (without updating the hardware), and converted all of the ~100 laptops from wired to wireless. Aswell as that, they upgraded some of the servers to the latest OS. Needless to say, this was a major series of upgrades. To make matters worse, none of the equipment was from the same manufacturer. I know that shouldn't be a problem, but it certainly doesn't help matters. The network ground to a halt. If you could get logged on, you were lucky. The internet was virtually non-existant, and the intranet was slow at best. Printouts had to be copied out manually, or printed at home. Now, all of the formerly Windows 98 computers have been replaced by new(er) ones, with TFT monitors. Thank god. Most of the problems have been fixed, but during those few weeks when virtually nothing at all worked, you had to wonder what was going on with the admin staff.

  227. Windows 2000, as a server by 5of0 · · Score: 1

    The best story I can come up with is this. At the private school I'm a techie at, they don't have the resources to get Windows Server proper, so I had to set up Windows 2000 as a server for Windows 98 clients. It wasn't so bad, as the Windows 98 would look to the Windows 2000. But then all the machines were upgraded to Windows 2000, and so I have a small network (10 computers) with Windows 2000 clients looking to a Windows 2000 (standard) server. So if I want to change anything about a user, I have to change it on each computer, and Active Directory doesn't, of course, exist, so many things don't work. But the server is working as a file server with separate folders for each user.

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  228. Re:Seal it up - four? try SEVEN! by cirby · · Score: 1

    I was doing some consulting a long time ago, and went into a little publishing company to set up a new computer.

    I was checking out the network (AppleTalk), and noticed the print server.

    What print server? I asked them about it, and they didn't know they had one. So I traced the cables, and found (on the other side of a partition) a door with cables running underneath it. So I moved the partition, opened the door, and found an original Macintosh II, plugged into some ancient UPS, chugging away, with (literally) a half inch of dust on top of it. It had been sitting in the room, doing nothing but print server stuff, for over seven years (I checked - no reboots - seven years of continuous uptime).

    It had been in the closet two years before anyone who was currently working there had been hired...

  229. One of these things is not like the others ... by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...There is esmtpverbs control parameter in AD which by default does not play very nice with some other smtp servers(its arguable whose fault is that - every party claims its other party to blame) .

    Easy enough to deduce: On the one side we have all the other MTAs which, unsurprisingly, are able to communicate well with each other. That leaves, on the other side, one system the odd man out which does not play very nice with the others.

    What's wrong with admitting that it's still broken or don't normal rules of any kind apply to that one vendor ?

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  230. Free dial up by danbert8 · · Score: 1

    A company I previously worked for had employees on the road use free dial-up Juno internet access to send company mail. That's right, pop-up supported and all. I guess they didn't understand that another 3 bucks a night to stay in a hotel with free wireless high speed would have been a better investment.

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    Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
  231. The miracle network, exploding servers, and others by Copperhamster · · Score: 1

    A few interetsing tales: The miracle network: A customer complains that a couple of their machines are very slow on the network. Even internet (via cable modem patched into the network) is slow for those machine. I go over there and start checking things... both machines are generating packet loss to anywhere else on the network, and the network drops which run all the way across the building are direct runs. No wall jacks or anything. I grab our cable tester and hook up to the first cable ends here and in the wireing closet (everything is labeled). It shows no connection. None. I plug it back in and realize I get no light on the switch for that jack. Mark down everything, and do the 'connect-disconnect' light shuffle... the switches lights don't change. Property owner assures me that the only network equipment is in this room, and the runs are all straight, no additional switches. We begin tracing the cables through his dropped ceilings, all nicely zip tied together and of course all the same color cables. We find nothing out of the ordinary, and even peer down the wall space where the drop comes down with a flashlight... maybe there is a hub or switch? Get back in and trace the cable which runs into a hole drilled into a desk, out another hole in the desk, under a several hundered pound file drawer... what's this.. 3 FEET of cable covered by what looks like a whole roll of black electrical tape. So figuring we have a bad splice, we trim that out, use some punchdown splice blocks we had to add in a segment to replace the taped mess, and bingo, it all works. The punch line? After pulling all that tape off, one of the other techs discover the splice was made by stripping the outer jacket off of 2 feet on each end of each cable, and wraping the still insulated wires together. All their network connectivitiy for that computer was by inductive coupling. Computer 2 had a similar problem, having also been moved. There however they were a bit more professional. They went out and purchased a 10' cat5 patch cable, and sheared most of the plastic off the connector with a knife, then taped the two connectors together pin to pin. The exploding server: We work on a lot of machines. A server comes in from someone who is not normally a customer, but needs the machine back pronto as it has all their customer data on it. They shut it off last night and now it won't power on. The tech wipes it off with a dry cloth before putting it on the server desk because it is filthy with crud. Plugs it up, and turns it on about the time I'm going back there to work on another machine we have back there. It looked like something out of a hollywood film. Sparks flew out of the power supply, things snapped, awful smells came forth, then the circuit breaker on the UPS tripped. The server came from a machine shop and had been out on the floor. The entire machine, inside and out, was covered with dust sized flecks of metal. When they brought it here, the metal shifted around and formed shorts when we powered it on. They also needed it back up and running within 3-5 hours. Their hard drive was fortunatly not a casualty, and we were able to move it to another box. You give us 5% packet loss like everyone else, we go elsewhere again: Local business has two offices. One served by the cable company, one for 6 months by us via dsl (cable company who set up network in first place doesn't reach them). They have a business app that is not networked, they simply run a VNC session from the remote office. VNC appears to be unhappy with 5% packet loss. Customer came to us because their previous provider was handing them constant 5% packet loss on their DSL circuit. They assured us it was the provider's fault and not hardware or the other end, and with the standard disclaimers (the phone company is notoriously reluctant to fix dsl lines that work 'mostly right' around here) we set up their internet. Less than a week later they call, VNC won't stay connected. So I start nosing around from their router. Router-> us, ping for 24 hours, o

  232. computer 1, 1 knot. computer 2, 2 knots. by bastardblaster · · Score: 1

    One of the stranger ones that i've seen wasone building where certain computers were getting sporatic connections. After following many many meters of cabling i came to notice that in one room where all the cables went through, the tech that had installed it was tieing knots in the cables to identify what cable went where. 1 knot, computer 1, 2 knots, computer 2, etc. Needless to say pretty much all the computers over #5 had some issues, and all the cable had to be replaced. And at the original technicians expense, of course.

  233. RS232 cable hack by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I remember many years ago, when my buddy and I both owned Tandy Color Computers and 300 baud external modems. His modem was some weird Hayes-compatible model with the serial cable permanently attached to it, and it died. He borrowed my modem to get online, but I forgot to bring my serial cable - and it was too late at night to go buy one.

    We ended up soldering wires to partially straightened paper-clips, and sticking the straightened ends of the paperclips in the proper holes on the RS-232C ports to serve as our data cable!

  234. Thicknet hanging from a tree... by NeumannCons · · Score: 1
    A while ago I was working at a University that will remain nameless... A building located away from the main campus had an old cable modem setup that serviced perhaps 1 or 2 dumb terminals (or more likely, PC's running some terminal emulation program). It was originally wired by cable tv lines along telephone poles then across a street to the building. At some point, a too tall truck hit the too low cable line snapping it off the poles.

    Fixing it would have cost time and money to have it done the correct way only to serve 1 or 2 machines that would probably be replaced in a couple of weeks anyway (everyone else in the building had upgraded to the "new" ethernet connections except for the holdouts). One of our network guys climbed a nearby tree, took some rope and tied it to a convenient tree branch then went across the street and was again roped to a convenient light pole, angled down to the top of a fence, along the fence on the ground and finally into the building. Some years later I noticed that someone had moved the now long defunct cable to run along the top of the fence via zip-ties (groundskeepers?). The rope (amazingly) was still holding the line to the tree branch.

  235. I got you beat--Slaughterhouses by Chagatai · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I worked for a beef and pork producer with several slaughterhouses throughout the country. These facilities were mainly designed in the 1960s and did not come equipped with things like server rooms. When the technology got to the point that they had to find ways of getting computers into the plant to automate things, they had to find the most creative ways possible of putting computers into these houses of death. Here are the most creative setups I remember:

    -One computer room in a pork plant had its air intake on the roof... right next to the exhaust from the rendering exhaust. Now, while the smell itself was awful, the worst part was that the sulphur and other noxious chemicals would eat the computers alive. The IT group had to install a special device that monitored the decay levels of samples of metals such as copper, silver, and gold to see how long the machines would last.

    -One computer room was made out of a new office on the third floor of one plant. But there were no elevators to get the hardware up into the room. So they cut a hole in the floor, used a gigantic crane, and lifted two guys with each fully-populated rack up to the room. And the crane was still three inches short, so the two guys would have to do a wheelie with 1000+ lbs. of equipment to get it in the room.

    -The same plant with the hole in the floor was also keen on bringing in electricians who were severely brain damaged. How bad? Imagine a 110V cord strung across the air with no support. And the other end of the cord with the three prongs was "hot". And someone once plugged it into the wall socket. I hear it doubles as a cattle prod now.

    -Two computer rooms needed air conditioning, so they simply carved holes in the walls and hung out Wal-Mart brand home air conditioners. With no other insulation. In the winter sometimes frost appeared on the machines.

    -Many of the computer functions were relegated to plant employees with their own unique vocabulary. I had the privilege of speaking with one woman in Texas who sounded exactly like Boomhauer on "King of The Hill." Honest. Another one always tried one-upping the "smart" IT guys back at corporate. On one occasion, she said that her monitor was "tricating". This was the word she used to mean that the emulation was off. I informed her that there is no such word as "tricating," at which point she told me that since I was young I likely hadn't heard of that word before. Funny, neither had Merriam-Webster.

    --
    --Chag
  236. Stupid router tricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm currently the webmaster/IT person in a very small company (about 10 people maximum in the office). All the computers in the office, and our server, are wired up via 10BaseT to a 3Com rackmounted hub in a closet where our phone line and PBX are. We have DSL service to the office, and it works alright, but a faster connection would be nice.

    The most interesting part of our network is the Netgear Cable/DSL router that connects our entire network to the DSL modem. At least once a day, and more often upwards of twice, the router appears to stop routing traffic -- nobody in the office can use any internet services until the router is hard reset.

    After a blackout a few months ago, the router shut itself off. Checking the power connections, it seems the former IT person had plugged the router into a mechanical timer, set to turn it off between 3:00-3:30AM, but the blackout had caused the timer to stop keeping time just long enough to cause the switch to power down our network during business hours.

    I assume they thought resetting the router overnight could alleviate the problem? I've been after the company to purchase a new router, but since this still works it's not going to happen anytime soon.

  237. I'm a storage junkie by Control-Z · · Score: 1

    My first PC (a 286/12 IIRC) had dual 1.2MB floppy drives, no hard drive. Yet I got almost everything to run that way, even if it offcially required a hard drive.

    A later PC I had was a mini-tower, but I had 2 hand-me-down full-height hard drives I wanted to put in it. My solution was to stack the drives on the table beside the case and run the power and SCSI cables out the back of the case. Worked for years that way.

    I've also been known to use a cardboard box that used to contain 10 5 1/4" floppies to put a 3.5 inch drive into a 5.25 inch bay.

    We ran our company for years on a ~35 mile custom wireless Internet link. Our end had a ~4 foot dish on a 100 foot tower, the other end was a taller tower on a moutain.

    We burn CDs 4 at a time at work, but I don't always hear the CDs when they are done and pop out of the drives. So I just prop a empty jewel case up in front of the lowest drive, it gets knocked over when the CD is ejected. Time to put in a new batch!

  238. FlashNet??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. A "server room" that was essentially the most worthless room in the entire building, a long skinny room with four windows (perfect for keeping an uneven temperature!). Rather than buy 19" racks or even wire racks, they found a bunch of tables and put one server on each all the way around the edge of the room.
    1.a. All of the servers were in fact desktop systems; an Ultra 1 was the mail server, a SPARCstation 5 the print server, a Gateway Pentium Pro 200 desktop the web server, etc.


    Damn, dude!!!!!! Did you work with me at the FlashNet ISP in Ft. Worth in the late 1990's?
    Because that describes EXACTLY the hardware situation there, down to the brands and models.... except the "desktop" web server was not a Pentium Pro 200, it was a Pentium Pro 166...but it did run FreeBSD extremely well and had a 7200 rpm SCSI hard drive in it.

    1. Re:FlashNet??? by ximenes · · Score: 1

      No, but let me tell you, those Gateway PPro 200's were sweet machines. Way better than a measly 166MHz. In all seriousness the only problems I ever had with them were: every time I opened the case I sliced my hand up, the clock batteries all died simultaneously, and it becomes difficult to do much of anything on a machine that is practically old enough to vote.

      What may disgust you is that the situation I'm describing is more 2001-2 than late 90's.

  239. Alarm notification by bill_kress · · Score: 1

    Not a huge hack, but when I was working on my first network management system (windows 3.1) I went on a trip to see how it was being used by some customers. One of them (The city of Olympia) had required that we have the ability to send each alarm to a serial port--when I got there I found out why.

    They had a very old, slow serial dot-matrix line printer hooked up to the management system. Each alarm set it off with a loud Bzzzzzzzz so they could hear it if they were in another portion of the (loud) shop. The hard-record of alarms was secondary.

    After that I implemented a system to allow playing of .wav files upon an alarm, but since nobody had speakers back then (windows 3.0/early 3.1 timeframe) I bet they ran that printer until the 2K bug we had in there made them find a new solution.

  240. You Really Only Need 640Kb... by mandelbr0t · · Score: 1

    I had an ancient computer when I first got on the 'net (8Mhz 8088). It ran DOS, and had all of the wonderful problems associated with running out of "conventional" RAM. I had a modem and some 'net experience gained through shell accounts on some local BBSes. Trying to coax a PPP connection onto that machine was a hack-job. Since DOS wasn't designed as a network-capable OS, pretty much any attempt to route IP packets to the modem required a network stack, 64Kb of conventional memory down the tubes. So much for running DOSLynx or anything that required any sort of RAM.

    Novell seems to be involved in a lot of these old-timer stories, and it is here too. It turns out that Novell had a great packet driver available for DOS -- but it was for an IPX network. Someone released an interesting TSR which used the Novell IPX packet driver to transfer TCP/IP. It saved an enormous 40Kb of RAM, allowing all of those apps that wouldn't start before to run. I'm sure that the shortened stack had all kinds of vulnerabilities, but thankfully there just weren't enough people around to exploit them.

    mandelbr0t

    --
    "Please describe the scientific nature of the 'whammy'" - Agent Scully
  241. CAT V Jerry-rig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A company which shall remain nameless currently has half of the building (i.e. 7 workstations and 2 printers) jerry-rigged together with three workgroup hubs connected to a single drop. For good measure, the cables used are all at least 25 feet too long and wound under desks and along walk ways.

  242. Weirdnesses in IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh you mean like the snarl of thicknet behind a rack that wasn't connected to anything but if you touched it at all half of the campus would go down?

    Or do you mean a pentium 90 running LRP handling all the routing for the QA lab of a major software vendor?

    Or the drip pans over the server racks to catch the run-off from the swamp coolers (which were just as good as air conditioning and a lot cheaper).

    The list just goes on and on :)

  243. Reggie! by RedDirt · · Score: 1

    Hopefully this is buried enough that none of my former coworkers will find it ...

    Around 10 years ago, I wrote a system to do online registration for some continuing education courses at my university. It was a series of horrible, horrible Perl scripts that kept its data in a dbm hash until it was manually entered into Paradox by the conference registration staff. This worked splendidly for several months until it was decided, for efficiency's sake, that we should upload the data directly into a Paradox holding table. Good idea, but Paradox ran on our Novell network while our web server was an SGI running IRIX.

    We batted around a few ideas until it hit me - we could make it work by sticking a PC in between the two. The first pass at it had the SGI box FTPing completed registration records to the Novell server. Once there, "Reggie", the PC, had a special Paradox script that polled the FTP directory, sucked in any new data and wrote it out to the holding table in the master registration database.

    As far as I know, that system is still in place (at least judging by the IM I got from a fellow a couple of years ago that started out "YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF MY PAIN!" ... ehehehe).

    --
    James
  244. 10BaseT running over 4kV busbars during monsoon by svanschalkwyk · · Score: 1

    During the 1994 monsoon I was consulting to a large manufacturer in Taiwan. They were having problems with the control systems losing network connectivity when they started rolling steel. Followed the cable and it was draped over the 4kV busbars running to the motors. Needless to say we were all standing in knee-high water at the time. I exited slowly.....

  245. Lazy sysadmins by tbuskey · · Score: 1

    Our site had 2 groups managing computers. My group supported the R&D group on Unix boxes. No PCs. The other group was IT supporting PCs. And a 3rd guy doing the networking stuff.

    The R&D group developed network hardware. So naturally our network consisted of anything that could be scrounged from prototypes and refurbished systems returned from customers. Lots of blue wire. Some of the engineers would plug their prototype into the network to see what it would do with real traffic.....

    Our group was originally 2 guys that we took over from as they went back to engineering. They had external SCSI drives with user home directories attached to people's desktops. And 3 NetApps in the server room that "were full". 25% of the storage on the NetApps was taken up by copies of the free Sun CDs with samples of vendor software.

    The IT group never asked for budget. They didn't know they had to. They bought computers from the consumer part of gateway/compaq/etc. We regularly used thier budget and they never knew until one of our guys was made the boss.

    100T was just coming in. We had just shipped our switch so the prototypes were available to our net. We converted the unix servers to it. Then we asked the PC guys. The building was all cat 3 so we had to run cat 5 to their server room. 2 months later, I went to their server room because users were complaining the Notes server was slow and the PC guys were out. I found 5 of the servers connected into a 10T hub that uplinked via the old cat3 wire to the network closet. All of the new (expensive) cat5 jacks were unused. We had the servers hooked up to them last month.

    Finally, the we gave the PC guys a tape stacker to automate backups. After 6 months we found out he was coming in every Saturday to swap the tape (the backup took 2 tapes). He never setup the tape backup software we gave him. You couldn't call him lazy!

  246. CO on Fire by cobrajk · · Score: 1

    At a large Telco in Canada, a rural town's CO was renovated with new siding. All was well and good until a large storm took the power out. The backup generator for the site was a diesel turbine. Turns out, the new siding was not properly insulated around the generator's exhaust. The building caught fire. The worst part was, the generator could not be shut down for long enough to properly fix the problem without the phones going down. I think the building caught fire 3 times before the power came back on and repairs made.

  247. Actually it's a P-trap by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

    Or sometimes an "S-trap" depending on the application. You are correct in its designed purpose, but incorrect in its maintenance.

    There shouldn't really be a large problem with evaporation provided that there is proper building pressurization/envelope control (remember, changes in building pressure will affect evaporation) and a working Trap Primer system (usually required by Plumbing Code). It is a misconception that floor drains should just "dry out" if the facility is being maintained and was constructed properly. A trap primer operating intermittently to "re-wet" a trap uses a lot less water than even a small trickle from a faucet.

    In short, if you're smelling that nasty odor, there's something wrong that requires a fix beyond letting a tap drip, as this merely treats the symptom and not the disease.

  248. CTRL+ALT+DEL by sbillard · · Score: 1

    I once knew a PHB at a large financial services company that brought in Microsoft consultants to re-write the GINA.
    This was so a user could press a single key after system startup to present Windows logon credentials instead of the default CTRL+ALT+DEL.
    In his yearly "state of the company" bulletin he proudly proclaimed that he tripled worker productivity. I know this sounds like Homer realizing he could press "Y" instead of "YES", but this really happened. Sad but true.

  249. Server Room by TheCabal · · Score: 1

    A company I worked for just bought the entire 5th floor of a new building, although we only occupied half of it. When we moved in, the management insisted that we put all our servers in the "server room". Everyone knew it was the "server room" because it had a picture of a computer on a plate on the outside of the door.

    The room was somewhat adequate space-wise although the shape of the room really made it interesting to get anything installed. What really got me were the wet pipe fire sprinklers. When I mentioned that water + expensive servers = BAD, their solution was to hang plastic sheeting between the servers and sprinklers.

  250. Iraq by turtlexit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the quest for Internet service and TV in our barracks area in Iraq (a tent, mind you), we did silly, silly things.

    - Cat 5e running out in all directions from my tent - some partially buried in gravel/sand, some over roads, etc. At 1000ft per box, I must have strung nearly a mile of cat5e over there. (FYI, cat5e will survive a run over a moderately trafficked gravel road for about a month and a half.)

    - Three different Wi-Fi access points of different models / configurations. Having no external antennas for the "primary" access point, improved signal and range was accomplished by shimmying up to the top of a tent pole and mounting the access point to a platform hung from the pole. The whole mess was then covered up with a cardboard box with vent holes cut in the side to try and keep dust from clogging the unit.

    - Tons of splitters and hundreds of feet of network cable to share the few TV antennas available. Starting at the cable in my friend's trailer, I once attempted to determine which antenna he was actually hooked up to. A complete loop and a half around the entire housing complex later, I still hadn't found the actual antenna.

  251. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Locutus · · Score: 1

    three comments to offer:

    1) Another option is to reduce the 3 PCs to 1 PC running multi-head multi-user:
    ex. http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html if you NEED windows then run inside of free vmware server.
    If you don't want a DIY solution, there's a commercial version at http://userful.com/

    2) I'm guessing your fans blow in since you said the cable hole is at the top. The cable hole should be more than just and inch or so in diameter and probably atleast the size of one of the fan holes.

    3) to reduce the fan noise, mount the fans inside the box and run curved(noise baffle) ducting to the holes.

    LoB

    --
    "Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
  252. Hack Jobs. by Khyber · · Score: 1

    The company I work for (remaining nameless) recently switched over from Oracle to Datasweep - NO BACKUP. Productivity went from 1,000+ units a day to ~700 units a day, and with no way to switch back to their original database. Needless to say, my first thought was the whole IT department was literally nothing but one grand hack-job!

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  253. Maybe you should talk to someone who knows by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    If you aren't talking out your ass and you actually have more bathrooms in your house than you use in a month, than you should seriously be thinking about retrofitting your plumbing since it is not properly constructed for your dwelling habits.

    If a bathroom fixture is going to often not be in use for a long period of time, the correct solution IS NOT "oh drip water in it all the time", it is to install a proper trap primer. This will use much less water than a dripping tap and ensure the trap is sealed.

    1. Re:Maybe you should talk to someone who knows by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I have a similar situation -- a tub which is not used in winter, so its trap dries out and emits Eau de Septic Tank. Its tap does not drip, so 2 or 3 times a season I have to run a little water down the drain to refill the trap. No cost involved, and not enough of a bother to worry about.

      Primer trap is doubtless a much better and more controlled solution where you have a choice... at the price, possibly a good initial construction feature for secondary bathrooms, washroom drains, etc. Might be tough to retrofit some setups, tho. And are these things prone to clog with very hard water? Ours is so hard that it forms calcium-salt crusts.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    2. Re:Maybe you should talk to someone who knows by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      Actually it was a room built as a bathroom, completed as a darkroom, and the sink was retired when I went digital; it's back to being a bathroom now. But you're right in principle...when a drain is expected to be idle for long, a drain primer is better than a leak.

      The poster I replied to seems to prefer "fuhgeddaboudit" as a solution.

      Oh, I just asked my ass and it holds the same opinion.

      rj

  254. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Shadowruni · · Score: 0
    Yeah, I worked for a company and Speakeasy had both our DNS servers in the Westin in Seattle. Westin went offline and our company went dark... not a Good Thing when you've commited to 5 9's of uptime. We were living in envy of Jack Bower and how good his days usually are. We went with UltraDNS and now life is good. I've left there and went to another shop and I've come to live in fear of finding things from "e Who Came Before Me" I've been exposed to the downside of Linux this way.

    There are purists who will always say $OS is the One True Way. I've found more often than not, that when coming into a shop where one person is responsible for a given piece of the System without any real oversight, what happens is that they will sometimes do some really weird shit. BTW 65 to 85 F is a REALLY big deal as that's the air temp in the place, think about the volume of the room and how much energy it takes to to heat a space like that in such a short period of time. You'll fry some stuff in a server room at those temps. If they'd let it go for much longer they'd have fried some hardware without fail.

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    "Chinese Amazons, power armor, laser swords.... things just meant to be." - Shampoo, A Very Scary Bet
  255. Holmes on Homes by MagikSlinger · · Score: 1

    He comes in and saved do-it-them-selfers from themselves. And there was one couple who hired a "contractor" to remodel their basement. The electrical wiring job Holmes found almost made everyone gape in amazement the house wasn't a pile of cinders. And people wonder why I insist on hiring people to do work I feel I'm not competent enough to do, and don't mind paying more than that lovely man who advertised in the Weekly Shopper who only wants cash, no cheques please and who changes his phone # every couple of weeks.

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    The bitter lessons of a veteran coder: http://bitterprogrammer.blogspot.com
  256. Cobra in the Data Center by Josh+Bancroft · · Score: 1

    I work at Intel, and I saw an email thread once for one of our datacenters in Asia (Malaysia, I think). There was an Emergency Response Process initiated. The cause? Snake in the datacenter. Not just any snake. A cobra. Apparently, it had crawled in through an open (?!) window. They evacuated the place, and called the local snake control guy to come and catch it. It was released outside. I don't know if I'm more bothered by the fact that a cobra got into the datacenter, or the fact that they just released it outside. I'd be worried walking to my car...

  257. OSHA doesn't represent network hardware by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

    At an ISP where I used to work, management decided we wanted to start offering managed networks for business customers. The demark between what we managed and what was the customers' problem was a Cisco Pix router/firewall, which we supplied. One night while I was on shift, I noticed an alarm on one of our customer's networks. SSH to the Pix didn't respond, so I dialed into the OOB modem to find the Pix perpetually rebooting. I dispatched one of our field techs to investigate, and what he found suprised even this jaded sys admin:

    The customer had mounted the Pix in a corner of the hottest room in the building (no AC). Unfortunately, there was a mouse problem in the building, so the customer had placed the Pix in metal box to keep the mice out. Unfortunately, while the box was very good at keeping cooling air from reaching the Pix, somehow the mice were apparently able to get in, based upon the quantity of mouse poop and urine stains covering the Pix.

    While I'm not a huge fan of Cisco, they certainly deserve kudos for the fact that Pix worked *at all* IMHO.

    --
    MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
  258. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Senzei · · Score: 1
    We had our air conditioning limited and thermostats locked up in the machine room and it was always sweltering. We defeated that system by hanging a drop light under the thermostat.
    The theater group at my high school was always getting into trouble for duct taping a hair dryer next to the thermostat as building maintenance could not understand why stage lights and an audience of 200+ might require turning the AC up a bit. Eventually someone from building maintenance got smart and mounted a wooden box with a plexiglass front around it, so they hooked a stage light to that.
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  259. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by Senzei · · Score: 1
    The Sun freezes because it gets too hot?
    Yep, evidently god failed to check for integer overflows.
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    Slashdot: Where anecdotes and generalizations can be freely substituted for facts, logic, or intelligence
  260. old employer by KurtisKiesel · · Score: 1

    My former employer was an ISP service, we were in the 8th floor of a building. We ran a fiber cable out our server room, through the drop ceiling into the elevator shaft, down the shaft and to the 2nd floor, drilled a hole in the wall ran the cable through accross an alley way ~ 16-20foot off the ground accross to the AT&T building next door for our "Primary" internet connection directly connected into the Local HUB, "we" did this on a Saturday. Best internet connection I have ever seen.... Nothing like P2P'in a complete 650mb ISO in less than 5 seconds.

    1. Re:old employer by singingjim · · Score: 0

      Showoff.

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      Terrible karma and aiming lower, which in this environment of one-sided reason, is higher.
  261. Re:Seal it up - four? more like TWELVE by Reziac · · Score: 1

    The longest "lost server" tale I ever heard:

    Seems someone had stuck the company file server, running Netware v2, into a closet -- which during later renovations wound up being sealed and forgotten. I forget the circumstances by which the server was rediscovered, but at the time it had been cranking along, without a reboot, for about 12 years.

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    ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  262. Re: from Memec to Avnet (consolidation woes) by papajayzel · · Score: 1

    I worked at a place called MEMEC, before they had tax problems and were forced into being bought by AVNET. Management decided to use Cisco Network Registrar, and that hosed up the entire internal DNS setup, so I installed a stealth DNS subsystem that was literally 100x more efficient, and reliable. All the savvy IT people were on board with it, and when customers complained about slow resolution when using Cisco Network Registrar, I would throw up my hands and say "well, I keep telling them about it, but someone bought it -- you may as well keep using it."

  263. Much like our solution! by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    We had a worksite setup in a conference room. By the time we were done we had a dozen dual CPU machines, tube monitors, and employees in there elbow to elbow. The worst came when they began adding servers and SANS :-) Anyway, prior to our moving in this conference room was hated for it's sheer cold, not anymore! It got pretty bad. to the point that we had both an indoor and outdoor thermometer posted up. Why? Well it seems that in our explorations of the ceiling we had found a vent to the outside. We constructed ventilation ducting out of cardboard leading to this vent and attached a LARGE box fan who's power wire dangled near someone's desk outlet. When temp outside was less than temp inside the employee was to plug in the fan, when the situation changed we unplugged the fan. At one point we actually tried to get them to buy expensive (at that time) LCD monitors just because of the heat savings - we were denied. That interior thermometer served another purpose too - when it hit 90 we got to go home for the day - paid :-P

    As you might imagine power became a problem since most of this was run through just a few sockets and the panels couldn't take it. The solution? It seems that breakers trip due to heat melting some sort of wax inside so to prevent this we added yet another cooling fan - this one directed into the open door of the circuit breakers in the closet! :-) By the time we were done we were runing at least 4 different big fans, it was pretty sad and quite noisy too.

    Yeah, it was nutz and it was loud but it was a critical function so we did it. Our final fix for this was shutting down all of our rigged cooling, turning on ALL of our equipment, having every employee at their desk, and having the higher ups come tour one day. It didn't take them long to figure out that this was a fire hazard and a lawsuit waiting to happen and we got better digs.

    Oh, we did find one other source for cooling but it was short lived. We explored the ceiling space and found an access panel intop the main A/C trunk leading to the bank next door. Upon opening it we were greeted with glorious cool air by the bucket full! Sadly when the bank employees noticed that it was becoming quite warm and complained the maintenance guys knew exactly where to go to fnid the source of the missing airflow - right to our office! It was good while it lasted though :-)

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  264. ERP system in hallway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recently I worked at a US subsidiary of a worldwide electronics firm where the 1980ish server room air conditioner couldn't cool the 2004ish intel hardware and legacy system. IT had been requesting funding for addressing the issue for years but the executives kept cutting it out of the budget. The president of North America operations thought it was too expensive to fix the air conditioning or build a capable server room. So he refused to do anything.... then after the disk drives started cooking in the racks and impacting business operations he arranged a compromise. He instructed IT to put the AS400 running the entire ERP system in the hallway! In addition IT was instructed to move the Oracle/Linux systems that ran the websites, ecommerce, and firewalls in the same hallway! (note - same executive also felt that disaster recovery was expensive and over-rated so there was no redundancy, spare systems, etc. The place was one gigantic single point of failure). This "hallway datacenter" setup was in place for about a year.

    And it would have continued had the SOX auditors not asked why the systems were in the hallway on their first day..... Funding for a new server room was approved in a day. Even Enron didn't put the ERP in the hallway.

  265. Janky cabling by ThanatosMinor · · Score: 1

    I once consulted for a place that seriously must have had a complete psychotic running their cables. Cat-3 cables went from the computers to the wall jack, but only had RJ-45s on the computer end. The wall end of the cable used RJ-11s. All of these jacks ended up coming out to a punchdown block. More Cat-3 was connected to that, and then ran to the switch, at which point each cable was split so that two pairs ended up in one RJ-45 and two in another, and they were both plugged into the switch. Trying to track down a problem there was heinous in the extreme

  266. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    We had just the opposite - we had a FREEZING cold office. I hate cold so this pissed me off and I went around to figure out WHY it was so cold. Seems some dumbass had setup a coffee put under the thermostat! I used a can of freezespray to get temporary relief and taped a cold soda to the thing too. eventually I bitched enough that they moved the coffee pot to a more reasonable position. I have no idea what they were thinking when they put it there...

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  267. License Circumvention by dthx1138 · · Score: 1

    I work for CAM Commerce Solutions, and we provide point of sale/inventory software to medium and small businesses. One of our customers had the free version of our software which limits you to having one physical store. To get around this, the woman (who was a very elderly lady in her 70s) would backup their database every night, bring it home on a disc, and restore it on her home computer to continue work. Then, do the same thing the next morning to get it back to their store. She actually called our support line to try to get help whenever she had restore problems. She's probably restored her database hundreds of times since they opened.

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  268. "Bizarre" used to be normal where I work at. by Zenob · · Score: 1

    When I first started working here the server "racks" were a series of old green shelving like you would see at a mini-mart. They had 1/5 inch plywood bolted underneath the shelves so they could support the weight of our equipment. Behind this was the worst jumbled up mess of cables I had ever seen. It was an 8 foot long cascade of Cat V cables pouring down the wall into a pile a foot thick where it then rebounded back up to the patch panels. The patch panels themselves were barely visible from all the extra wire poking out of the punch downs. I found out later that Dave(the guy who was here before me but got fired after I started) didn't believe in using punch down tools because he thought they would damage the cables. He "punched" all of the runs down with the back of his pocket knife. If you so much as breathed heavy behind these patch panels at least 6 users would lose connectivity. Shortly after I started working here we bought some APC racks and me and another guy "uninstalled" the green shelves. With claw hammers. We then spent the rest of the night with a cable toner and a pair of walkie talkies re-terminating the entire network. After we cleaned up the cables we discovered a cast iron "cable guide" Dave had bolted to the wall behind the wall'O'cables. The bolts were all rounded off and I had to cut the dang thing off the wall with a hacksaw. I've been here 5 years now and I still stumble across some of Dave's handy work from time to time. Not too long ago a user asked me if she could stop holding down the f4+shift+tab+ctrl+L keys when she booted up her workstation in the mornings. Come to find out her machine blue screened a couple of times before I started working here. Dave told her if she pressed that finger cramping combination of keys when she booted up it would stop. She's been working here 7 years. Sometimes I kind of miss Dave. Then I'll discover something else he left for me and I'll get over it.

  269. Access is not a true solution by Foo2rama · · Score: 1

    I helped start a computer leasing company, and was tasked as the network manager for the majority of my stay. This was about 7 years ago and we needed to create a database of all inbound leads (calls) We put in about 800-1200 records a day with about 40 fields (non-realtional.) I pushed for either filemaker or sql database. Unfortunatly I was turned down and told we need to use access as all the computers in the office had an office suite that included access. They did not want to spend the extra cash for filemaker lics, or an sql programmer. About 1.5 years later low and behold the access database goes to hell with records being lost and performance of the db tanking.

    I get called into a board meeting and proceed to get chewed out for allowing this to happen. After about 10 minutes of being yelled luckily I came prepared with a copy of the email from a year and a half ago stating that access was not a solution for our scale of business and we would have problem after 1 year of use. Walked out without saying a word.

    About a week later I was informed that we had a contractor to move the access of to sql, unfortunatly I was not allowed to interview mostly due to the previously mentioned board meeting...

    Turns out the contractor was a bro and thought you could just migrate an older access db stright to sql... after monkeying around homeboy worked on the live DB and corrupted the whole thing. Apperently his expertise did not expand to working on a copy of the database. I get a call saying that we lost the whole databse and that it was my fault. Apperently Joe Newb had also never heard of backups and tried to blame me for the fact that he tried to migrate (the wrong way) the live database and blamed me for the whole thing.

    Came in loaded the backup and kicked the guy out of the building... I left soon after this, as the company was rapidly going downhill for a multitude of other reasons.

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    ---In a time of Chimpanzees I was a Monkey.
  270. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by k12linux · · Score: 1

    That reminds me...

    15 years ago (wow I feel old now) a sprinkler main burst where I worked. It was on the 2nd floor of the offices and it dumped 20,000 gallons. The stairway was a cool waterfall, 3-5 inches of water were standing on the 1st floor and it was raining throughout the entire 1st floor as water soaked through the ceiling tiles.

    This was in February and the temperature outside was around -10 F (-23 C) so opening the outer doors to let the water out also let freezing air in which instantly formed a fog you could barely see five feet in.

    Luckily the downpour in the server room fell about 1 inch away from all of the equipment. All of the PCs on the 1st floor weren't so lucky. With the help of bunch of towels, rubbing alcohol, canned air and hair dryers we managed to save everything but 1 keyboard, one UPS and two CRTs.

  271. kitchencloset.com by gmezero · · Score: 1

    That reminds me of my server set up as well. Up until just a couple of months ago all of our servers were in the kitchen closet of my home. Being a cheap bastard, I didn't want to pay for co-lo space and I liked running OS/2 systems. We had originally tried to find a better space in the house to do it, but the house had been built in the late 50's and the only functional spare pair of copper for DSL terminated in the wall next to the kitchen closet... which also seemed to have an electrical outlet on the same wall which had it's own circuit. So that's where the servers went. We cut a hole in the drywall and ran an extension cord through the wall and into the outlet on the other side and wa'la! To manage heat I parked a small desk fan in the base of the door opening and left it adjar for air to blow in the bottom and out the top. In a fit of self proclaimed cleverness a few years later I registered kitchencloset.com as our primary domain at one point as well. It made for great social conversations.

    Q: What's your e-mail?
    A: ...@kitchencloset.com
    Q: kitchencloset?
    A: Yeah, that's where the server lives (said nonchalantly)
    Q: ...(pause)... ?!? WTF!!!

    Then I just go on with the conversation like nothing unusual happened.

    We've recently moved though and all of the systems have moved as well to a new location where just the equipment will live, and I'm also getting ready to decomission the WSeB (OS/2 4.5) server in a matter of days. I guess the only constant is change eh?

    1. Re:kitchencloset.com by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      .... *cough*

  272. Re:the U-Bend AKA trap by julesh · · Score: 1

    Funniest post on slashdot for weeks. Thanks. :)

  273. Suspended floor by BraksDad · · Score: 2, Funny

    The best I have seen was with the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT).

    ADOT inherited a building in the easment next to the I-10/I-17 intersection near the AZ Fairgrounds that formerly contained some heavy cranes. These cranes were meant to lift heavy equipment onto trucks and were suspended on rails som 30 feet from the warehouse floor.

    When the state inherited the building they decided to lease the downstairs to the Arizona Magazine for printing and assembling that fine pictoral magazine. The area in the rafters where the aforementioned crane resided was useless to them... so along comes the genius.

    They used the heavy beams meant to support the crane as the basis for hanging a plywood floor. On this hanging / suspended plywood floor they would put in "Office Space" and lease that to ADOT for their IT development group.

    It gets better.

    Yes, all the electrisity and data wiring came into the building and was drapped across the gap between the wall and the suspended floor.

    Yes the floor moved noticably, although it was too big for a single person to shift it on their own. After all there were 10 cubicles, 2 offices and a conference room on the floor.

    Yes they put up pseudo walls separating areas of the room.

    Yes, it was a warehouse so the ceiling and walls were just corregated steel... Yes it was in Phoenix Arizona... a dessert.

    They did provide air conditioning so it was warm, but not unreasonably.

    Another nice feature of the buiding was that it was partially beneath the I-17 N to I-10 E ramp that was about 60 feet off the ground. Every once in a while you would hear the clunk of someone Super Big Gulp hitting the metal roof, or the lite tap of a cigarette butt. At one point an ADOT truck in the parking lot was crushed by a truck tire that came off and went over the railing. Another truck was damaged by a water tank that came off another vehicle.

    The best part about the IT solution was that they also put the servers up there. We had a separate room where all the servers were. It had extra air conditioning blowing on it, but it was not a contained room, it was firly open with walls that went part way to the cieling and a gap between the floor and the print shop below.

    So the server room was in a metal building with no insulation in the dessert on a plywood floor suspended above a print shop under a highway were large things occassionally rain down. I shudder to think what would happen during a power outage.

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    1. Re:Suspended floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great story, just wondering-- is this the building?

  274. Sewage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have at least 2 customers with Server/Bathrooms.....

  275. 35 PCs running (VNC?) over dial-up by snurfle · · Score: 0

    The California-based parent company of a production facility I worked at in Ohio decided the best way to handle the network for Ohio, was to load all 35 PCs with (can't remember the actual software) a remote-desktop program. All 35 machines went through a pair of switch boxes, to a central PC running Win NT, it in turn was connected to a phone line via 56K modem.
    All 35 users in Ohio were running remote desktops on a PC in California that was logged in to the parent company's network.
    About half the time, the "system" would be down on Monday morning; it wasn't until 8:00-9:00 CALIFORNIA time that they even realized there was a problem; by the time someone at the parent company figured out that they needed to reboot the "Ohio PC", it was almost time to go home!

    I set up a computer at the company in Ohio with Win 2K; plugged it into one of the switches, and had it continuously download engineering files during the off-hours.
    I put everything into the same directory structure it came from in California, then set up file sharing for the Ohio users.
    It took one day for every engineer to set drive letters to the now-local files and begin using that system exclusively.
    It took the company president two weeks to figure out what I had done, and then it took him about 30 seconds to realize how much faster things were running.
    And even though we had our own design department, and NONE of the files on our new network was used outside of our four walls, it only took the parent company an hour to fax the Ohio Company president a nasty-gram, demanding that we adhere to an obscure document control policy... and everything got put back like it was.

  276. 2 fun stories. by LordFocus · · Score: 1

    I have my own IT firm and our main business is network and system administration. One day we get a call from a callcenter. Apperantly their terminals are slow in getting the data from the server. Me and a collegue go over there to fix it. We get there and troubleshoot the network for a while and indeed, the network is blimey slow. We check the server, runs smooth (this is a 5000$ server anno 06/2006). Cables look okay will we get to the main switch setup, which looked like this: Switch>hub>hub>hub>hub. Anyway ALL the network equipment is X-brand junk. In the server room there is also a stange plastic smell. We open the switch and we fin the inner casing molten onto the pcb. After we changed everything to proper 48 port Cisco switches the system ran fine. Another good one is the time we got a call from a decent size warehouse. Their network was completely wireless and slow as hell, loss of connectivity, bad signal. Turns out they had 30+ computers hooked up to a 20$ 11mbit accesspoint which was located in a closed in the.......basement. Good times.

  277. Security incident by larien · · Score: 3, Funny
    Well, there was the time I managed to cause a security incident...

    At an old workplace, there was a server (ok, a Sun Ultra 1, but it was running Oracle) which no-one seemed to know where it was, but it was on the network, running OK. I resolved to track it down...

    First plan was to have it write something on the screen asking whoever saw it to call me. No joy; guess no-one went there.

    Then I figured that it had a sound card & speaker - I also knew it would play .au files natively so went a searching and found a line from Monty Python's Holy Grail: specifically, "Help, Help! I'm being repressed". I then set up a cron job to cat this file to /dev/audio every 15 minutes. Unfortunately, all someone could hear was "help, help" from outside the comms room it was in and assumed someone was trapped inside. Security guard looks around and eventually finds the server with my name on the monitor.

    At least we found out where the damn thing was, which was useful when some numpty builder cut the ethernet cable while working in the room.

    1. Re:Security incident by snurfle · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not quite as severe, but fun anyway... In Windows 3.1 days, I had a nifty "driver" that would take any sounds, and pipe them through the 2" PC beeper-speaker. (Back before we all had sound cards!) The down side was that it stole all of the processor time while it did this, so the rest of the machine was worthless until the sound file was done. I recorded a Monty Python sound... in the cave, Sir Bedevere says "OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOO!" (to which Lancelot replies "No, no, arrrrrgggghhh at the back of the throat). I put the sound on a friend's computer in the sales department, and set it as the default sound for Novell "you have a message". I then wrote a quick QB program that would "net send" a message to him every 10 seconds. (The message was, "it is now ", followed by the time.) I started the program, and ran up to the sales department. Every ten seconds, his machine would lock up and go "oooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo". Salesmen have no sense of humor.

  278. Uber Archive System by armada · · Score: 1

    A group within Franklin Templeton Financial actually archived unique data to JAZZ cartriges!!! And I dont mean old (we will likely never use that again) data, but important stuff that was just "filling" up the server! On a side note, they had an entire floor on a large building dedicated to Lotus Notes "development" I allmost peed my pants.

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  279. Time Bandits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. During the .Bomb Days I was the resident IT guru at an E-commerce developer. One Monday morning in October, one of our clients (a large department store) was complaining about a bug in their system. Usually the orders were issued sequential order numbers, but a bunch of orders were out of sequence and they were worried that the DB had gotten corrupted. After a few hours of debugging by our DBAs, they asked me to investigate. "Is is happening intermittantly?, or is it confined to a specific time period?" - before they could finish confirming that it only happend over an hour-long span, I prophesized that all the bad orders were between 1-2am. Stunned they asked how I knew - I quickly pointed out that we had changed our clocks back that sunday, and that the 1am-2am hour was repeated. ...which reminds me of the time we ran web use reports with odd results, until we found out our logs were logging everything in GMT (we were in NY). .... and my most recent hack: We were setting up a conference call with high-end conference equipment, but one of the C-level officers was going to be on vacation. We offered to remotely install our VC company's pc software, but he insisted we patch him in using his favorite Instant messaging client. Thankfully the High-end VC equipment had an SVGA in port so you could show a powerpoint on a pc to all participants, so we could show his video to everyone else, but not vice versa. But then it dawned on me that there were video out connections for videotaping a VC. So I went to Best Buy, bought a USB TV receiver and connected the Video out from the Video Conferencing system to the input of the TV tuner, and used the TV tuner as my own webcam. With some creative audio cabling, the problem was solved :)

  280. You know nothing of A/C, much less data centers by sirwired · · Score: 1

    Yes, the condenser sits outside the building. However the "condensing" in the word "condensor" refers to the condensing of the refrigerant under pressure within the outdoor refrigerant tubing, not the condensing of water on the coils. Water condensation occurs on the evaporator coils. (The Evaporation referred to in the name refers to the evaporation of the refrigerant within the evaporator coils once it passes through the restrictive orifice.) The evaporator is usually located inside the building, or in the case of a data center, on the raised floor itself.

    This is the case even with a standard home split A/C, which has a drain coming out of the cabinet where the indoor coils reside to drain off evap condensate.

    Before you insult other posters, please obtain a clue first.

    SirWired

  281. Thicknet? by Optic7 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, I had one place hire me to sort out their IT... they had a weird proprietary wiring system that worked only with weird proprietary network cards and talked only to a weird proprietary server. I've never seen any of this garbage before or since. All the wires were about 1/2" thick and were run along the hallways, because they'd never heard of the idea that you could have wiring *installed*. And the server was down most of the time, they'd actually poke at it once a day until it went up for an hour or so so they could exchange files, before it crashed again.

    Sounds like 10Base5 or "Thicknet", which was the original Ethernet cabling spec.

  282. Let's see... by godzilla808 · · Score: 1

    -A Cabletron core router (a company that had long since been out of business even at the time) that required a $10 Walmart fan to be pointed at it 24x7, even though the room had AC. If someone moved the fan, or shut it off, the network would come crashing down.

    -Backups for a GIS department done on a firewire drive, because no one wanted to pay for proper backup equipment or servers.

    -Using used Flowpoints to connect buildings, long after they had stopped being manufactured. (Flowpoints used a copper pair, for distances *up to* several thousand yards, with speeds *up to* 2 Mpbs... if the stars were aligned, and if you could get them configured.)

    -Old desktop PCs being used as Domain Controllers (hand-me-downs from users!)

    -Office in an old jail, complete with asbestos, which made cabling an adventure.

    -A 40 year old back up generator, which made power outages a crap shoot.

    -Phone equipment in basement that had experienced a sewer back-up... the cleaners that were used caused corrosion on any exposed contacts.

    -Responding to a remote site not having internet connectivity, we found that they had hired a contractor who had bypassed our firewall and replaced it with a D-link home router!

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  283. Re:Server room heating & worker Safety by daveytay · · Score: 1

    Nah, it was one of those corrugated plastic sheets that is quite stiff. It went across the top of the rack posts and there was no front, back or sides on this rack. Think poles, not doors. Plenty of air flow. It was like a sheet of plywood lying on the top of some poles that had stuff bolted to them, just made of light plastic. So the water dripped onto my head as I made sure the servers were healthy. 8)

  284. Re: Wash? Nerd? Regularly? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

    You know, this bugs me - what's up with the whole unwashed nerd stereotype? I will occasionally put off showers if I'm just messing around at home, but I always bathe before running into other people - I hate feeling sweaty and gross, and most women appreciate a clean guy.

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    "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  285. Readable version (please use preview!) by Megane · · Score: 1

    A few interetsing tales:

    The miracle network: A customer complains that a couple of their machines are very slow on the network. Even internet (via cable modem patched into the network) is slow for those machine. I go over there and start checking things... both machines are generating packet loss to anywhere else on the network, and the network drops which run all the way across the building are direct runs. No wall jacks or anything. I grab our cable tester and hook up to the first cable ends here and in the wireing closet (everything is labeled). It shows no connection. None.

    I plug it back in and realize I get no light on the switch for that jack. Mark down everything, and do the 'connect-disconnect' light shuffle... the switches lights don't change. Property owner assures me that the only network equipment is in this room, and the runs are all straight, no additional switches.

    We begin tracing the cables through his dropped ceilings, all nicely zip tied together and of course all the same color cables. We find nothing out of the ordinary, and even peer down the wall space where the drop comes down with a flashlight... maybe there is a hub or switch?

    Get back in and trace the cable which runs into a hole drilled into a desk, out another hole in the desk, under a several hundered pound file drawer... what's this.. 3 FEET of cable covered by what looks like a whole roll of black electrical tape.

    So figuring we have a bad splice, we trim that out, use some punchdown splice blocks we had to add in a segment to replace the taped mess, and bingo, it all works.

    The punch line? After pulling all that tape off, one of the other techs discover the splice was made by stripping the outer jacket off of 2 feet on each end of each cable, and wraping the still insulated wires together. All their network connectivitiy for that computer was by inductive coupling.

    Computer 2 had a similar problem, having also been moved. There however they were a bit more professional. They went out and purchased a 10' cat5 patch cable, and sheared most of the plastic off the connector with a knife, then taped the two connectors together pin to pin.

    The exploding server: We work on a lot of machines. A server comes in from someone who is not normally a customer, but needs the machine back pronto as it has all their customer data on it. They shut it off last night and now it won't power on. The tech wipes it off with a dry cloth before putting it on the server desk because it is filthy with crud. Plugs it up, and turns it on about the time I'm going back there to work on another machine we have back there. It looked like something out of a hollywood film. Sparks flew out of the power supply, things snapped, awful smells came forth, then the circuit breaker on the UPS tripped.

    The server came from a machine shop and had been out on the floor. The entire machine, inside and out, was covered with dust sized flecks of metal. When they brought it here, the metal shifted around and formed shorts when we powered it on. They also needed it back up and running within 3-5 hours.

    Their hard drive was fortunatly not a casualty, and we were able to move it to another box.

    You give us 5% packet loss like everyone else, we go elsewhere again: Local business has two offices. One served by the cable company, one for 6 months by us via dsl (cable company who set up network in first place doesn't reach them). They have a business app that is not networked, they simply run a VNC session from the remote office. VNC appears to be unhappy with 5% packet loss.

    Customer came to us because their previous provider was handing them constant 5% packet loss on their DSL circuit. They assured us it was the provider's fault and not hardware or the other end, and with the standard disclaimers (the phone company is notoriously reluctant to fix dsl lines that work 'mostly right' around here) we set up their internet. Less than a week later they call, VNC won't stay con

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  286. Homebrew... EVERYTHING! by theoriginalturtle · · Score: 1

    Back in 1992, I had a short job with a company that made window blinds. They had been around for long enough that the first computer they used was an Apple II. The guy they had doing their software tended to write everything himself, which was in a lot of cases necessary because what they were asking him to do just couldn't be done with any off-the-shelf packages. So, he wrote The Blinds Program. Originally written on some sort of UCSD p-code (remember that?) implementation of Pascal, The Blinds Program eventually got moved through a couple of other Apples, some sort of SmallTalk environment, and a couple of other things until it ended up on a trio of Macintosh II servers and a bunch of Macintosh workstations strung together with their AppleTalk connectors.

    However, nothing was off-the-shelf. Literally, nothing. I'm pretty sure the guy wrote most of his own networking protocols, wrote his own database engine, and then wrote the guts of The Blinds Program within it. The data -- ALL data, from details about blinds orders to supplies purchasing to payroll records to scheduling to who knows what -- was in this mysterious custom database that consisted of pointers-to-pointers-to-pointers-of-data. You literally couldn't find anything unless you already knew where it was likely to be. The problem is, the thing was so dependent on its rat's-nest of pointers that if one was corrupted, the system would happily go writing new data to entirely unexpected places, including places that older data might already live.

    Whenever anybody needed a new tool, it got written into The Blinds Program. Simple calculator? Put it in The Blinds Program. EDI interface to talk to your customers' systems? Put it in The Blinds Program. Need to dial up a BBS? Let's not use Red Ryder, let's write it into The Blinds Program (with hard-coded phone numbers, of course).

    Well, eventually the guy decided he wanted to do something else with his life, and he left, and they handed the thing over to me. After about four weeks of exploring this monster, I realized that (a) the only person in the entire world who could grok it had already left and (b) I didn't wanna be around when (not if) it exploded and took the entire company with it. I went into the general manager's office and laid it out for him: go hire a consultant, have them design you a new system from supportable, off-the-shelf components, pay them to test and maintain it, or this thing is gonna eat your company. And then I resigned. No sense having a digital Hiroshima on my conscience. The GM hemmed and hawed and I think eventually hired the original guy back as a consultant and never did replace The Blinds Program.

    The company went out of business in 1999 or so. I was amazed they lasted that long. My old boss got a good deal on a pool table at their bankruptcy sale.

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  287. Home network workaround by ParanoidJanitor · · Score: 1

    At one point over the summer I had finished building my new desktop system (previously I only had a laptop at my disposal), this desktop was set up at my desk which is about as far away from my router as possible. Having not thought ahead about the connectivity problem, I didn't have a wireless card installed on my desktop, so instead of going out and buying one (all that time going to the store and back, spending money) I instead hooked my laptop into my desktop through a crossover cable and shared the wireless connection on my laptop. Nothing particularly brilliant, but quite wasteful in the fact that I was essentially using the laptop as nothing more than a wireless card.

    1. Re:Home network workaround by allanc · · Score: 1

      Heh. Want to talk about wasteful? I found myself once out of town with my cell phone's battery going low. I didn't have my cell phone charger with me, but it can charge from a USB port. I *did* have my laptop with me, but it was a bit low on battery power as well.

      But I was in my car, and I've got an inverter for my cigarette lighter.

      So, here's the energy flow:
      1. Chemical energy in the form of gasoline in my Prius.
      2. Converted to mechanical energy by the internal combustion in the engine
      3. Converted to electrical energy by the Prius' alternator.
      4. Converted to chemical energy again to charge the Prius' battery (it's a hybrid, and for most of the time I was charging my phone, it wasn't actually running the engine, just powering things from the battery)
      5. Converted to DC current, sent through the cigarette lighter outlet
      6. Converted to AC current by the inverter
      7. Converted *back* to DC by my laptop's AC adapter
      8. Sent out through the USB port into my phone.

      Somewhere in the future, the heat death of the universe is happening a little bit faster 'cause I needed to talk to my girlfriend and was too dumb to charge my phone beforehand.

  288. networking fun by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 1

    A nearby hospital called the consulting joint I worked for about 12 years ago because their network was down. I met the new IT guy in the lobby, and as he's walking me back towards the networking room he explains that the old IT guy was an ex-Bellhead. He's going on and on about the old guy's various problems, and I'm like, what's the point here? Then we get to the networking room, which is in a small cinderblock bunker in the parking lot between several of the main buildings. When he opens the door, there's no data networking gear... instead, there's a two wall collection of punchdown blocks, and a drift of red sticky dots all over the floor. Seems that the guy had wired 10Base-T in with his phone system in order to save money, and marked the data ports with a red dot. Worked okay until the A/C failed, and he was promptly fired.

    Later on, I was consulting with a company that sold devices which you downloaded content to. Each user would log into the Apache-powered website, where a WebLogic app generated 4 to 10 MB of sorta-custom data and shoved it over the net into the device. Unfortunately, some bright fellow came up with the idea of also sticking this same data into the Oracle database as a BLOB... Site went down Christmas day and didn't come back until January.

    Same company had a DS-3 from their corporate offices to their data center, and complained about performance. A little bing testing showed it was pulling 14 mbps rather than 45, so I spent a day with the datacenter and ISP verifying all their stuff. Finally, I ended up standing in their telco closet and tracing the cables... turns out it doesn't go CSU/DSU > Sun firewall > Catalyst 5500, it actually goes CSU/DSU > Sun firewall > dusty 16-port NetGear switch under the rack > Catalyst 5500. Shockingly, removing the NetGear made the problem go away, though I had to argue pretty hard for at least trying it.

    Then there was the time that Dell sent some free Ethernet switches for testing. I accidentally knocked the power cord out of one, but when I tried to plug it back in, the power supply's little plastic collar snapped off and the whole thing fell into the switch.

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    "Nothing was broken, and it's been fixed." -- Jon Carroll
  289. Late entry by jafac · · Score: 1

    I know I'm late to this thread, but here's my submission anyway.

    The names have been changed to protect the (criminally insane) innocent.

    Working for a Large Systems Integrator, on a multimillion dollar contract to provide a very highly customized, specialized - we'll call it an ERP system - that's about as close as I want to come to describing what it actually does. This contract started in about 1996 (I've only been involved for 2 years).

    There was a competing vendor supplying the personnel who would actually be RUNNING the system. While they were waiting for my company to finish the much more expensive, much more broadly scoped project, they hobbled together a little web-server-based system on their own to take care of the more mundane subset of tasks in a very basic fashion, out of their own personel budget.

    Well, long story short, we ran into some major scope-creep, and the product we were supposed to deliver in 2000, ran over schedule. Here we are, 7 years later, and one of the components that's deeply integrated into the system, the customer LOVES. But the other component, which handles OUR system's mundane task, the customer's operators (the ones who work for the other vendor) HATE it. (surprise). All along, they had bitched and moaned, and were the primary drivers behind the scope-creep. And we faithfully complied with contract mods and retooling, etc. Now we're ready to start installing, and they pull a last ditch "kill it now!" move.

    The compromise they ended up with was;
    They continue to use their system for the mundane "inventory tracking, and resource scheduling" functions, and they hire an additional operator whose sole task is to manually copy data from their system (which, for security reasons, has no physical network connection to ours, and some of the data is display-only, and we are not on contract to provide an export/import capability), to the console of our system, where that data is used to drive the automatic resource configuration tool we provided them with (which is the component they can't do without).
    Then, if there's any change to the actual data used by their operations based on what our system did with the numbers, this guy copies the data back into their system, to make sure both systems are on the same page.
    Our system; about 10 computers, Oracle-based database servers, custom-written front-ends, full-on network management (we bundled Tivoli with it), security, failover, redundancy, centralized management, multiplatform (Windows/AIX/Linux), tightly integrated with a system of probably 100 other computers, including truckloads of documentation, manuals, procedures, etc. including routers, switches, and some very specialized hardware.
    Their system; A pair of clustered Windows IIS boxes.

    Up until last year, they (the other contractor's people, the USERS of our system) were BEGGING us to add this and that and the other feature to our system. Then they pulled this political stunt at the last minute, to try to kill the whole project. Then the compromise; the customer is stuck with owning, operating, and maintaining BOTH systems in parallel, with the weaknesses inherent in both, and the strengths of either system completely erased.

    It's a living.

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    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  290. Early VoIP by jdp816 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I heard some stories of the early days of Voice over IP being deployed at Sprint. Here in KC Sprint is a major employer. I was at lunch at a restaurant when several Sprint guys (apparently from IT) came in and started telling war stories. One told of the time an entire building phone system failed at the flip of a single switch. The techs had just deployed a trial of VoIP for the entire building. They had, of course, placed the new VoIP server int eh data center witht he rest of the servers. Being new, they hadn't completed all the "official" labeling, and it was a trial run anyway. After a while one of the PHBs of the center was walking by and noticed an unlabeled machine in the rack. Policy said that nothing unofficial ran there, and if it wasn't labeled it was official. He powered it down and went to the phone to call some techs to get rid of the offending machine. Of course, the phone was dead. Next room, next phone. Dead. Continue ad nauseaum across the whole building with people trying to find a functional phone. Cell phones work, but nobody can call in to the building. Eventually the techs realize the VoIP server is messing up, go the the center and discover the dead phone server. While they mill around waiting for the server to come back up the PHB comes back by to tell them about the strange machine he found. He notices it back on and promptly shuts it back off. Needless the say a heated discussion of PHBs, power switches, and corporate policy and common sense ensued.

  291. Token Ring Hell in 2001 by funwithstuff · · Score: 1

    This is reminding me of a temp gig as a graphic designer in a London property firm. It's probably not that far out there, but it was just a few years ago, in 2001. For such recent history, it wasn't pretty.

    The cosy little nest of Macs that was the design department wasn't hooked up to the rest of the (PC) network, because the rest of the network was Token Ring and the Macs had some kind of new-fangled networking plug that Wasn't Token Ring. Besides, there was some kind of non-Mac-friendly software to run email, calendaring or some kind of stuff that wasn't my problem as a temp.

    Every Mac therefore had a PC next to it for these crucial office tasks. Of course, we often needed to get data from the PCs to the Macs and back again. The Macs weren't remotely networked, to each other, to the PC-based Token Ring network, or to the internet.

    So, Mac-PC or Mac-Mac data transfer was purely sneakernet. This happened by putting a PC-formatted Zip disk into a Zip drive connected to the PC, copying files onto it, ejecting it, putting it into the Zip drive connected to the Mac, then copying files off it. When a Zip disk or drive failed (click-of-death how I miss thee) a working drive got passed around the office to move files about.

    Of course, nothing a cheap hub and some ethernet cables wouldn't have fixed. But it worked! Why fix it?

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  292. MOD PARENT UP by mdhoover · · Score: 1

    Most interesting, informative post I have run into in this thread... really, you shouldn't have posted this AC

  293. Long Runs by nuintari · · Score: 3, Funny

    Had a friend who had a box colo'd for free at a fairly run down ISP. It was due to some contractual obligation they had to live up to, so they were not happy about it. Was supposed to have a 10 mbit connection to the switch, and pretty much unmetered out over the backbone, but it never saw more than 2 mbit. Turns out, the ISP put an extra long ethernet line place, 500 feet of signal killing goodness. Just to make his service suck, in a way not easy to see unless you pulled up the raised floor, and noticed that all that wire was in fact, one single wire, going back, and forth, and back and forth.

    Another friend has the dilbert boss, decided that the router _needs_ to be at one end of the building, far away from the office. A distance of 350 yards, add even more when you take into account the fact that the wiring goes from the ground floor at one end, up above the second floor, spans the building, and comes back down to the ground. Then, he decides that 10 base T is too slow, and he demands gigE. My friend tries explaining to him why all of this is nuts of course, but the man never listens, and says, "just buy a bunch of repeaters." So, this gigE run of nearly 400 yards, is daisy chained together, every 100 yards or so, by a 4 port gigE switch. Most of them live up in the drop ceiling above the second floor, and have some ludicrous power lines run to them. Store and forward nightmare. Boss is currently pissed because it is slow, and because the gigE switches didn't make his 3 mbit cable modem go any faster.

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    --Nuintari

    slashdot : where an opinion can be wrong.

  294. Re:the U-Bend AKA trap by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

    Nope, different buildings, different locations. Both examples were separate instances
    of the 'creative' ideas in my company. BTW there are others, but I fear if I mention
    too many some people might guess, (and consequently come back to haunt me). Needless
    to say they all worked very well for many years and I've only had the good fortune to
    banish some of them forever.

    BTW, the computer room actually was built over a part of a factory floor that... er...
    used the drains extensively.

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    -- main(s){printf(s="main(s){printf(s=%c%s%c,34,s,34) ;}",34,s,34);} $p='$p=%c%s%
  295. Humid air is a conductor, not insulator... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The one where ambient humidity serves as an insulator and thereby prevents the aggregation of static charge, which is a tremendous risk in a room with that many highly charged moving parts.

    I realize this is nitpicking (and the rest of your post was right on) but I think you meant to say "where ambient humidity serves as a conductor and thereby prevents the aggregation of static charge..."

    Higher humidity makes the air a poorer dielectric, meaning that static charges dissipate before they can build up to significant voltages. With dry air, the air is a better insulator, hence higher-voltage static charges. (This is why the kids' trick where you scuff your feet on the carpet, particularly while wearing rubber-footed one-piece jammies, and then shock the beejesus out of someone, only works in the winter.) Naturally, anything that produces sparks -- particularly my favorite, Van de Graaf generators -- work far better in dry air than wet.

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  296. This must surely win by blippy · · Score: 1

    I swear this is true. At a company I worked for about a decade ago, they had a network switch (or maybe it was a modem) in the toilets. Not actually "in" the toilets themselves you understand, they weren't quite that daft. Imagine the conversation. "Where should we put this switch? Next to the server perhaps?", and the answer would be "Nah, that's too inconvenient. Let's put it on a shelf in the lavatories instead".

  297. Cool that power! by Quasitechie · · Score: 1

    Once, about three years ago, I was part of a team fixing the datacentres for a big mobile phone company. When we got to the the centre, it was a mess, dead, unused boxes everywhere drawing power, racks with only one server in them, you name it. The peach though, was the power distribution board for the biggest of the centres. This thing supplied power for every box in the place, and was running so hot that you could actually fry an egg on the top (we measured it at about 82 C). But what was absolute genius was how they kept it ticking over. They had a portable air-conditioning unit shoved up against it. Which was plugged in to the same board it was cooling. Oh, yeah, this was the main datacentre for over ten million customers, which was 100 metres away from the 'disaster recovery' backup sites. Both were on a floodplain.

  298. Airline IT Hacks by TXWhiner · · Score: 1

    The now-defunct Tower Air, a charter (mainly) airline that operated out of JFK, set the standard for airline IT hacks, IMHO. Their datacenter consisted of a closet (literally) with no ventilation that housed one rack containing a couple low-end Unix servers. The network cables between the incoming switch and the servers were laid on the floor, so that you tripped over them whenever you went into the room.

  299. Construction = Earthquake by TXWhiner · · Score: 1

    A previous employer's datacenter was very state-of-the-art, with the exception of the amount of available common sense. There was some need to drill a hole in the concrete floor underneath the raised flooring, so they brought in a freaking jackhammer and went at it for three days. Rows of rack-mounted Unix servers were shaking all day long, as if in a major earthquake. What a surprise when some of the servers started to go belly-up, resulting in application outages that were costing my employer lots of money. The doofus VP of engineering was yelling at the vendor about the quality of their servers, when I pointed-out to him that no server was built to withstand the amount of vibration to which these servers had just been subjected.

  300. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  301. Hotmail by bastardblaster · · Score: 1

    Hotmail runs on solaris Boxen. :) Originally, MS was to buy AT&T, not Cingular. But AT&T backed out when microsoft couldnt migrate to their own domain controllers and had to go back to the Suns.

  302. nightmare wiring by mstone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A friend of mine does networks for a major oil company. He brought back pictures of an installation in (I think) Angola.

    The first notable point was that the outside of the building seemed to be polka-dotted. Those were the bullet holes. Nobody was firing at the building per se, it was just downrange from one of the local hot spots.

    The telecom room for the building was on the second floor. My friend's company rented the fifth floor, and some other company rented the floor above that. There were no data risers in the building. Instead, there was a hole about a foot across that had been knocked through the wall on the second floor, and a couple of six-inch holes on the fifth and sixth floors. The data cables ran out through the wall on the second floor, up the outside of the building (among all the previously mentioned bullet holes), and back in through the walls on the fifth and sixth floors. My friend's company had gone to the extra time and expense of running conduit, but the company above just had a 40' swag of cable hanging there in the breeze.

    The telecom room itself looked like the aftermath of a "will it blend" episode. Take 20 drums of assorted wire product and unspool it all, wad it all up into a 10'x12'x8' snarl, then start grabbing random segments and pulling until you can nail that particular chunk of wire to some point on the wall. That's what it looked like. When they needed to fix something, they put one guy upstairs with a handset on the line and a radio, then sent another guy with a radio down to the telecom room to wave a toner around until the guy upstairs started to hear noise.

    My friend also told a story about renting a phone line from the Chadian national government. That's all it was.. the same kind of POTS line you have to the phone on your wall, for a cost of something like $10k per month. One of the things he had to do was install a modem on the line (which saw about 95% use since it served a whole office), but the line itself was so unbalanced that he couldn't get a decent signal. He mentioned this to the local telecoms expat, who said, "oh yeah.. come on. You'll enjoy this."

    They got their security people and drove over to the phone substation (which was run by the Chadian military and had armed guards outside), and before the truck even stopped, the expat was out and stomping his way past the guards, through the door, and into the wiring frame. As my friend came in behind him (pretty much thinking, "okay, we're dead"), he realized that he could hear voices speaking English througout the building. The military had tapped their line, but since it was used so much, they were running the sound through a loudspeaker rather than just listening to it on a handset.

    Halfway down the row of wires, the expat stopped, pointed at the wire that dropped down from the celing and tapped into the frame, and shouted, "IS THIS A WIRETAP? IS IT?" By that time, *everyone* in the facility was there watching, and the colonel who ran the place was saying, "no no! Is not a tap," despite the fact that everyone could hear the voices of the people using the line over the loudspeaker.

    The expat yanked the wire loose and said, "damn right it isn't a wiretap.. it's rubbish. We spotted it two seconds after you put it in. Here.. let me show you what to do," then proceeded to do a quick lecture-demo on professional wiretapping techniques.

  303. I don't know if this counts... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

    The following computer is real. The names have been changed, to protect the innocent.

    So, my friend Jake, in high school, was running a combined FTP and HTTP server/firewall, in addition to a gaming/school desktop and laptop. His standard desktop was a something Athlon, as was the laptop, and both were in fine condition (well, the desktop ran Windows ME, but the hardware was unfscked). The server, on the other hand...

    He called it Frankenstein.

    The system was a 350 Pentium II, on a motherboard from an old Aptiva. Gross, but not too strange. What was strange, however, was the case he had it in. From the outside, it looked like a normal old tower case. Internally, though, it was a monster. The power supply from the Aptiva was a stupid custom job, and hadn't fit the brackets in the case, so, of course, he had duct taped it to the case's ceiling, avoiding the vents. The drive bay carrier was long since gone, so the optical drive was taped likewise to the top of the case. The hard drive was balanced on its side near the front of the case, under the motherboard's bottom edge.

    It was the motherboard that was the worst. The mount points on the motherboard and case failed to agree, not only in all particulars, but in any. So his solution was to suspend the motherboard inside the case... with twine run through the four corners of the board. The motion of the fan would set the board rocking back and forth, in a sickening manner.

  304. The "Clean" Room by MWoody · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, this one might not be entirely in the spirit of the original question since it's not a cool "hack" so much as it is just an amusing error in planning, but here we go anyway:

    Back in '95, my father was a VP of research for a large manufacturer of transmissive and reflective coatings for various glass applications (think insulated windows for the simplest example of said product) in Palo Alto, California. I was 15 and in highschool at the time, and having spent many a year trying like hell to keep a series of shitty no-name x86 computers up and running well enough to play the latest games, I had a sufficient skillset (and my dad had sufficient clout) to get me a job in their IT department. I did pretty well, and quickly found that users generally only got mean-spirited when made to look stupid, so a small dose of humility coupled with an interest in details on their primary task - "While I fix these printer drives you accidentally deleted, I was curious, what does a spectral photometer do?" - kept me out of trouble. Long story short, next year when I switched to full-time for the summer break, my boss actually brought me for a one-day business trip to our plant in Tempe, Arizona.

    Now, you've got to realize, a business trip for a 16 year old (this was '96 now) is freakin' AWESOME. I was nervous as hell, had been up since the crack of dawn to take a red-eye with my boss out to the plant, and was deathly afraid I'd do something to embarrass not just me, but my father for having recommended me. So it was pretty unnerving to learn that my first job involved going into a large clean room production area, kept free from particles that could settle on the film during that specific type of sputtering process. We're talking the full disposable "bunny suit" that covered everything but the eyes, even with little slippers, and an airlock-type blower to clean you of all particles before entering.

    The problem was a simple fix, really. The brand of 486 motherboard we were using at the time had a tendency, in about 1 out of every 3 units, to burn out the CMOS battery much earlier than you'd expect. And for a manufacturing-floor computer, not having a correct internal clock was a bad thing, not to mention that the lab techs had to go through some errors at startup with BIOS setings no longer being saved. So I suited up, cleaned off the replacement part and my tools as ordered, and went to find the bad machine.

    That took some doing, oddly enough, since these computers were rarely shut down due to a 24/7 production schedule, so I had to go through back records on hand to find the lab techs' notes during the last power cycle on which computer had the boot errors. But, once located, the terminal was taken offline and I was able - after being told I had 20 minutes for the repair, tops, before the company would start to lose money as they needed that terminal again - to drag it off to a quiet, out of the way corner for the swap.

    But see, there was a problem in the planning stages when this plant was set up. The PCs they used to control the machines were pretty complicated to configure, and the machines run in the clean room were just slightly modified versions of those used in the full-on manufacturing area in the main plant in Palo Alto. It was actually only a pretty small fraction of these production machines that had to operate in a clean environment. So when it came time to set these terminals up, they carefully washed off the outside of the older computers - computers, mind you, that have been sitting on a 24/7 PRODUCTION FLOOR with 10+ lab techs nearby at all times and various debris kicked up from the manufacturing process - and shuffled them off into the clean room.

    So picture the scene: our hero, an extremely nervous 16-year-old on his first business trip in full head-to-toe bunny suit gear in the corner of a white, immaculately clean production floor opens his target computer to find a system so full of dust that he can't even SEE the goddamn cards inside. We're talking full-

  305. I cooked a burrito on a HD by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    In a similar vein, I once cooked a microwave burrito on one of those 4G Seagate barracudas (the ones with the big metal flange with holes on the front). It was plugged into my workstation, an (even at the time) old Sun Sparc 5. I had the cover off the external housing, and I noticed that it was getting *really* hot, so I stuck the burrito in the front for an hour or two. After an hour, I flipped it around to cook the other side. Steam came out of the package when I opened it -- that sucker was HOT!

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  306. 3x Sony Singstar + Griffin iMic = multitrack audio by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    The Sony Singstar audio adapter is a class-compliant USB audio device, but better yet, each individual device has a unique embedded serial number for a name, so you can aggregate multiple units via a USB hub.

    I've been using a rig of 3 Singstar adapters sourced off eBay for about $20 each, a Griffin iMic I had lying around, some old XLR connectors from junkbox terminated to 1/8th inch plugs to attach the mics and splits, aggregated via a cheap hub and AudioMidi Setup, then fed to Audacity on my iBook to record my band live for about a month now.

    Eventually, when we've made a bit more money, I'll probably by a Presonus Firepod, but for now, this does the job almost as well for about a tenth of the cost. Level calibration's a bit of a pain, but the results have been pretty good so far.

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    "I hope you like Guinness, Sir. I find it a refreshing substitute for, er... food." Col. Jack O'Neil, SG-1
  307. Remote reboot hack... by vtTom · · Score: 1

    Here's one worth mentioning...

    I was working for a small start-up around 1995. We had a PC running in a remote facility. We administered it remotely using Norton's PC Anywhere. Problem is, the machine usually crashed after a few days of uptime. The only way to recover it was to physically hit the reset switch.

    I hacked around this by putting together a small circuit card that connected to the phone line and the reset line inside the PC case, with a simple Z80 microcontroller in-between. What it did was simply count the number of rings within a 30 second span. If the count reached 4, it would strobe the reset. Since we had PC Anywhere set to answer after 2 rings, whenever we dialed into the machine, it would either answer (because it was up-and-running) or it would reboot (because it had crashed, and PC Anywhere no longer answered the phone).

    1. Re:Remote reboot hack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used a similar solution back in 1993 or so. We had a remote PC with MSDOS and a modem, with Carbon Copy. For unknown reasons, the modem or the program got out sometimes out of sync, or the initialization string did not work, so the modem will listen and answer, but the PC would not detect the carrier signal. I searched and bought a cardware/postalware (in Compuserve!) utility, so everyday at a predetermined time, the PC will reboot, and reinitialize the modem and rerun Carbon Copy.
      (a Multitech 9600 baud modem, MSDOS 3.3? and Windows WFW 3.11)

  308. Blogged by Bruce Schneier by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

    You may be interested to know that Schneier devoted a blog entry to linking to this description:

    http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/secu rity_theate.html