You know, my first instinct was to try to make a joke about the Valerie Plame thing, since Bush has the balls to say *anything* about leaks being bad, but I couldn't come up with anything worthy.
yeah, I wouldn't want to type anything long on it, but it's good enough for quakeII, and (afaik) most hospital users are in the hunt and peck category. I hear ya on the mechanical feedback though. Speaking of which, has anyone seen the new Dell keybs that are pretty much all keys? The keyboard pretty much ends where the keys end, it's nice and small, it looks cool (for a keyb) and the keys have the perfect mix of soft resiliency. I don't know what they come with but the one I use is hooked up to a Dell Optiplex GX280.
I have a "virtually indestructible" keyboard. It's rollable, light blue rubber, water proof, and if it ever gets dirty (spilled soup, etc) I can chuck the whole thing in the sink and scrub it. No nooks/crannies, just 101 waterproof keys.
I remember a scsi card manual I had once. I was looking for directions on how to do $foo. The TOC said see p15. Page 15 said see page 33. Page 33 said see p 15.
I'm not making this up. Wish I could remember the brand.
"They pointed out that science and politics don't mix."
No less so that religion and politics. Insofar as science deals with known reality, I'd say it mixes with politics as much as geography or history - that is, thoroughly.
"How much budget should we allocate to the clean water program?" 'Well, it costs $X/10^6gallons to purify saltwater, so...' "Hey, you're basing that assertion on science! Science has no place in politics! Therefore I'm sure we can get all the clean water we need for $Y/10^6 gallons. Burn the heretic!"
Yes, the golden rule is good. CptNerd please note that much of my response is directed to a past I'm still dealing with moreso than to you, but the first para is relevant (although nitpicky).
>>If you want respect, treat others with respect. If you want dignity, treat others with dignity.
Your statement is necessary but not sufficient. If you don't trreat others with respect/dignity, it is unlikey that they will treat you with respect/dignity. Unfortunately, this isn't a guaranteed return; people who don't observe the golden rule can and do respond to respect/dignity without respect/dignity. My point is that the whole social system has to recognize the inherent dignity of the individual human.
When I was a kid, I never undermined anyone's dignity. But I was bullied relentlessly. The authority's response was "respect is earned." In retrospect I think they figured that I would eventually stand up for myself and that they wouldn't have to deal with the situation - that I would break the rules for my own self preservation. But my family told me to "be good". My conscious ruleset didn't include looking out for #1, so I never really stood up for myself enough until it was too late. In my view, authority failed and I have had lots of trouble trusting and believing authority since elementary school.
The "system" has to recognize that dignity is not earned. People who have not acted wrongly can, through no fault of their own, find themselves on the shit end of the stick. It is also possible for them to, through no fault of their own, not be in a position to use the base aggression responses to ward off the attacks of their peers. If the teachers or principals in my school had had the attitude that bullying wasn't acceptable, I would have been able to develop to the point where I could realize on my own that I had to look out for myself even in opposition to what I was taught by my parents and the system. But they considered bullying "natural" enough to be "ok" and I spent k-12 with my metaphorical head held under water. I couldn't socialize because the entire social system seemed inaccessible, threatening and ultimately (from my experience) designed to keep me personally out and submissive.
Now, although I feel what happened was beyond the pale of what I can forgive the individual bullies and principals for, I am not asserting that as a result of my life experience that I personally deserve some kind of special treatment - I do not. What I deserve is what everybody deserves: equal treatment.
To believe that one can treat others without dignity is to take an assymetric position; it is to believe that one is inherently superior to others (unless one believes that one also does not deserve dignity; and in that case, one has again placed oneself on the level with others, invoking equality and obviating the golden rule).
The system itself must recognize that each individual, not matter how physically or mentally weak, deserves acknowledgement as a being - deserves dignity, even if only that and nothing more. Whether this applies to all people everywhere (and I believe personally, IMHO, it does) may be debatable. But our constitution and declaration of independence spell out the universal equality of humans very clearly. All men are created equal, with inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Insofar as dignity is required for happiness (can you be happy without dignity? if so please tell me how, I could use the info), I believe that at least in the USA, dignity is a right which is inalienable.
You're right that without treating others with dignity/respect one will not receive dignity/respect. My point is that doing so does not guarantee a return. This is not a reason not to treat others right... far from it! The result is that those who have the power of authority MUST be held accountable to preserve the rights (including dignity) of those over whom they have authority. That is, if they fail to defend the dignity of those weak ones w
Your statement is very true. I want to point something out though: Disrespect is also earned. _Every_ human being _deserves_ a measure of simple human dignity. To treat someone with less than simple human dignity is uncalled for unless that person has wronged you. (Please not I'm not implying that the statement you made [respect is earned] is in any way in contradiction with my statement [dignity is universal, disrespect also being earned])
This subtle distinction seems lost on so many people I have dealt with. This isn't courtesy, it's basic.
<rant> This is the one thing I wish I could have impressed upon my peers and teachers and principals in grade school: that although respect is earned, DIGNITY is INHERENT. Until someone steps on your toes, it is wrong for you to attack them. Treating someone with dignity doesn't detract from how tough or cool or whatever you are. Treating anyone without dignity when you have no reason just makes you an ass.</rant>
This may be a little OT as I am referring to ALL social interaction and not just that with techs and geeks, but I have seen the statement "Respect is earned" abused so commonly to mean "dignity is earned" that my emotions just go nuclear every time I see it remembering childhood injustices. The sentiment may seem obvious, but alas it appears not to be. It would be worth my life to see it codified, at least socially.
Keep the R-E-S-P-E-C-T, all I ask is dig-ni-ty. Is that so wrong?
I can't help you with the solid gold house, but I do have some liver and onions if you like....heeey... Aren't you the guy I gave a plate of blintzes to to paint my fence?
>>George Lucas is a real figure, gods are superstitious characters.
True that. btw, is there a word for the error of mixing the imaginary and the real? Besides insanity that is. I'm really asking... actually I've wondered that for a while.
yep, you know as much japanese as I do (or more). I was looking for this page where they make that distinction ('domo' as short for 'domo arigato' [thank you very much] vs. 'domo' as 'more of'). The page also clears up the -kun part... the name came from an episode of <whatever> where the tv says "Domo konnichiwa".
Also this picture mocking this picture, which is a takeoff on this picture sent around by people who have issues understanding the boundaries between their lives and other peoples'.
>>If the general population wants to browse source code on a Saturday night [...] they don't need their governments' computers to be running it, they just need to download some source code.
Just a thought.. if you're running windows and you download the linux source to ponder, it's purely academic from your standpoint. You can't directly apply what you learn, you can't fiddle and observe results. You might as well be looking at it through a glass wall. But if you already run linux, and you peek and poke at the source, you can observe first hand what results and why.
This isn't so convincing a reason for the individual user, but for the gov't of Brazil, the collective difference in value is probably considerable, if they are thinking about their future IT industry.
Okay, you make a good point, that the price is what will directly prevent people from buying gas. But you are just reinforcing my original conclusion - that oil will become a commodity which is not available in the way it is today.
Instead of being $20/g and findable, it'll be $100/g and scarce. Either way, very, very few people will be driving to and from work every day at that price.
As far as the price "sneaking up on us", i'm not sure what you mean. Gas will eventually be too expensive for transportation, whether it's 10 years from now or 100. At that point, the oil might as well be "all gone" because we won't be able to run our economies on ever-higher-levels of marketspeak. We can string out our available supplies using different tricks, but the levels will drop to the point that different uses for oil will cease to be practical.
>>Why do you think oil is at $50 right now?
Well, correlation is not causation, but afaik, oil is at $50/barrel now because of the ongoing conflict between the US (and much of the west) and the middle east (specifically saudi arabia). Oil jumped sky high after 9/11 and has been climbing since. Peak Oil is definitely going to happen if is hasn't already, but it's not easy to pin that tail in the right place. The exact date is highly speculative. Whether the day we are priced out of gasoline comes on "one magic day" or "sneaks up on us", it *will* happen. We are collectively fools not to accept that fact and solve the problem before it bites us in the balls, which it will.
We can solve it now, to the benefit of everyone, or we can hold off until we have no other options, to the benefit of the ownership classes. We should do the first, but we will be prevented from doing so by the powerful, because they can make more money by letting us bleed ourselves dry for lack of alternatives. This is one example of capitalism's downside; low hanging fruit is left to rot because watching the rubes struggle for the higher fruit is preferable to the rich. "There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a failure here that topples all our success. [...] And in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath, in the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." Please note that I said it was a downside, I did not say it was an argument to drop capitalism.
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I feel your pain.
The virtually indestructable keyboard
model FLX-1000
Grandtec USA
2715 Electronic Lane
Dallas TX 75220
214-366-3496
www.grandtec.com
I'll check tonight when i'm home and post it.
just got a whole lot more f-cked up.
yeah, I wouldn't want to type anything long on it, but it's good enough for quakeII, and (afaik) most hospital users are in the hunt and peck category. I hear ya on the mechanical feedback though. Speaking of which, has anyone seen the new Dell keybs that are pretty much all keys? The keyboard pretty much ends where the keys end, it's nice and small, it looks cool (for a keyb) and the keys have the perfect mix of soft resiliency. I don't know what they come with but the one I use is hooked up to a Dell Optiplex GX280.
I have a "virtually indestructible" keyboard. It's rollable, light blue rubber, water proof, and if it ever gets dirty (spilled soup, etc) I can chuck the whole thing in the sink and scrub it. No nooks/crannies, just 101 waterproof keys.
I'm not making this up. Wish I could remember the brand.
No less so that religion and politics. Insofar as science deals with known reality, I'd say it mixes with politics as much as geography or history - that is, thoroughly.
"How much budget should we allocate to the clean water program?"
'Well, it costs $X/10^6gallons to purify saltwater, so...'
"Hey, you're basing that assertion on science! Science has no place in politics! Therefore I'm sure we can get all the clean water we need for $Y/10^6 gallons. Burn the heretic!"
>>If you want respect, treat others with respect. If you want dignity, treat others with dignity.
Your statement is necessary but not sufficient. If you don't trreat others with respect/dignity, it is unlikey that they will treat you with respect/dignity. Unfortunately, this isn't a guaranteed return; people who don't observe the golden rule can and do respond to respect/dignity without respect/dignity. My point is that the whole social system has to recognize the inherent dignity of the individual human.
When I was a kid, I never undermined anyone's dignity. But I was bullied relentlessly. The authority's response was "respect is earned." In retrospect I think they figured that I would eventually stand up for myself and that they wouldn't have to deal with the situation - that I would break the rules for my own self preservation. But my family told me to "be good". My conscious ruleset didn't include looking out for #1, so I never really stood up for myself enough until it was too late. In my view, authority failed and I have had lots of trouble trusting and believing authority since elementary school.
The "system" has to recognize that dignity is not earned. People who have not acted wrongly can, through no fault of their own, find themselves on the shit end of the stick. It is also possible for them to, through no fault of their own, not be in a position to use the base aggression responses to ward off the attacks of their peers. If the teachers or principals in my school had had the attitude that bullying wasn't acceptable, I would have been able to develop to the point where I could realize on my own that I had to look out for myself even in opposition to what I was taught by my parents and the system. But they considered bullying "natural" enough to be "ok" and I spent k-12 with my metaphorical head held under water. I couldn't socialize because the entire social system seemed inaccessible, threatening and ultimately (from my experience) designed to keep me personally out and submissive.
Now, although I feel what happened was beyond the pale of what I can forgive the individual bullies and principals for, I am not asserting that as a result of my life experience that I personally deserve some kind of special treatment - I do not. What I deserve is what everybody deserves: equal treatment.
To believe that one can treat others without dignity is to take an assymetric position; it is to believe that one is inherently superior to others (unless one believes that one also does not deserve dignity; and in that case, one has again placed oneself on the level with others, invoking equality and obviating the golden rule).
The system itself must recognize that each individual, not matter how physically or mentally weak, deserves acknowledgement as a being - deserves dignity, even if only that and nothing more. Whether this applies to all people everywhere (and I believe personally, IMHO, it does) may be debatable. But our constitution and declaration of independence spell out the universal equality of humans very clearly. All men are created equal, with inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Insofar as dignity is required for happiness (can you be happy without dignity? if so please tell me how, I could use the info), I believe that at least in the USA, dignity is a right which is inalienable.
You're right that without treating others with dignity/respect one will not receive dignity/respect. My point is that doing so does not guarantee a return. This is not a reason not to treat others right... far from it! The result is that those who have the power of authority MUST be held accountable to preserve the rights (including dignity) of those over whom they have authority. That is, if they fail to defend the dignity of those weak ones w
Your statement is very true. I want to point something out though: Disrespect is also earned. _Every_ human being _deserves_ a measure of simple human dignity. To treat someone with less than simple human dignity is uncalled for unless that person has wronged you. (Please not I'm not implying that the statement you made [respect is earned] is in any way in contradiction with my statement [dignity is universal, disrespect also being earned])
This subtle distinction seems lost on so many people I have dealt with. This isn't courtesy, it's basic.
<rant> This is the one thing I wish I could have impressed upon my peers and teachers and principals in grade school: that although respect is earned, DIGNITY is INHERENT. Until someone steps on your toes, it is wrong for you to attack them. Treating someone with dignity doesn't detract from how tough or cool or whatever you are. Treating anyone without dignity when you have no reason just makes you an ass.</rant>
This may be a little OT as I am referring to ALL social interaction and not just that with techs and geeks, but I have seen the statement "Respect is earned" abused so commonly to mean "dignity is earned" that my emotions just go nuclear every time I see it remembering childhood injustices. The sentiment may seem obvious, but alas it appears not to be. It would be worth my life to see it codified, at least socially.
Keep the R-E-S-P-E-C-T, all I ask is dig-ni-ty. Is that so wrong?
I can't help you with the solid gold house, but I do have some liver and onions if you like. ...heeey... Aren't you the guy I gave a plate of blintzes to to paint my fence?
Hmm, if he did it on purpose (and expected it would nix the alternate) it would up my respect for him.
but... SIR i ... HAVEN'T WRITTEN (my)............(interminable pause).... PAPER! can'tigivemyreport... another... day....?
I hate shatner.... ST:TOS was good but it would have been uber without shitner.
I am ready to be flamed now by the 3 people who like shatner.
Is this the first soft tissue find of a dinosaur?
What are your priorities, AC?
True that. btw, is there a word for the error of mixing the imaginary and the real? Besides insanity that is. I'm really asking... actually I've wondered that for a while.
hahahahaha :D
Also this picture mocking this picture, which is a takeoff on this picture sent around by people who have issues understanding the boundaries between their lives and other peoples'.
PLEASE, Think Of The Domo-Kuns!
Just a thought.. if you're running windows and you download the linux source to ponder, it's purely academic from your standpoint. You can't directly apply what you learn, you can't fiddle and observe results. You might as well be looking at it through a glass wall. But if you already run linux, and you peek and poke at the source, you can observe first hand what results and why.
This isn't so convincing a reason for the individual user, but for the gov't of Brazil, the collective difference in value is probably considerable, if they are thinking about their future IT industry.
Hi Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva!
nice nick :D Iirc I saw someone nick'd pedxing recently. It warms my golden apple to see wilson getting around so well. hhhhhaaaaaiiiiilllll!!!!!
Instead of being $20/g and findable, it'll be $100/g and scarce. Either way, very, very few people will be driving to and from work every day at that price.
As far as the price "sneaking up on us", i'm not sure what you mean. Gas will eventually be too expensive for transportation, whether it's 10 years from now or 100. At that point, the oil might as well be "all gone" because we won't be able to run our economies on ever-higher-levels of marketspeak. We can string out our available supplies using different tricks, but the levels will drop to the point that different uses for oil will cease to be practical.
>>Why do you think oil is at $50 right now?
Well, correlation is not causation, but afaik, oil is at $50/barrel now because of the ongoing conflict between the US (and much of the west) and the middle east (specifically saudi arabia). Oil jumped sky high after 9/11 and has been climbing since. Peak Oil is definitely going to happen if is hasn't already, but it's not easy to pin that tail in the right place. The exact date is highly speculative. Whether the day we are priced out of gasoline comes on "one magic day" or "sneaks up on us", it *will* happen. We are collectively fools not to accept that fact and solve the problem before it bites us in the balls, which it will.
We can solve it now, to the benefit of everyone, or we can hold off until we have no other options, to the benefit of the ownership classes. We should do the first, but we will be prevented from doing so by the powerful, because they can make more money by letting us bleed ourselves dry for lack of alternatives. This is one example of capitalism's downside; low hanging fruit is left to rot because watching the rubes struggle for the higher fruit is preferable to the rich. "There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a failure here that topples all our success. [...] And in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath, in the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." Please note that I said it was a downside, I did not say it was an argument to drop capitalism.