So much money was invested, so many people "know" how to use Microsoft Products....
It'll be a while before anything changes.
I guess the place you'll see change first is in the Backend (that is already happening) and then maybe in Callcentres because those people are constantly trained anyways, and many are still used to working on 3270 Sessions anyways.
Before it reaches the Secretary though it'll be quite a while.
Well let's see, because they give me a paycheck? Because they hold my Work Permit? Because any other company most likely will me make use Windows as well?
This seems like a good trend for the environment too, because reduced traffic jams, means reduced emmissions, and reduced pollution.
And you can order your food into your suburb as well, hence, you don't have to leave your house anymore.
How about people would abandon the idea that they all need to have a house, a patch of grass and a road wide enough for 10 cars just to get onto the highway that can manage only 6 cars and stop being willing to drive 50 miles each way to work?
But I guess that would be too much of a stretch.
BTW, another interresting thing about the telecommuting:
The company saves money on real estate while you are now paying for this in your own place, not to talk about the power etc. etc.
Citrix for example is heavily used. Mainly in Callcentres and such but they are used. Were I work right now we have several Citrix farms as we have several call centres all across the country.
The backend is all Unix (HP & Sun, even some DEC) but the frontend is all Windows with Citrix.
Thin Clients are on their way, most likely from IBM, Flatpanel and all.
Neither France nor Germany have been saying that. Both countries tried to have sanctions against Iraq removed so that they could sell goods and services to Saddam. They are both miffed at the US because it has interferred in the commercial interests of their countries.
Ah? How do you know, you were listening in on their conversations? Or is this just the typical, ignorant USian talking who tries to defend something he doesn't quite understand but has to be because he believes that America can do no wrong. All of this of course while hiding?
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Would this end up on front of a Jury? Isn't this is two companies lashing at each other? Or are they now "people" too (in a legal sense)?
Sorry, not USian, don't know that much about the US legal system.
A couple of good points. I still think though that the idea behind the EU has shifted from was initially thought of in the 1950s to todays reality. We'll see where it is going, but I think if the EU becomes a super power it'll be an economic one. With the east expansion Europe will have a bigger market than the US, and that alone will be interresting to watch.
I was a member of a LUG here in the area while in College. Last year it folded, people lost interest. I will tell you why too: OS X. After 10.2, about 80% of the LUG purchased a mac as their next computer including myself. For me, I had the stablity and usablity of a native Unix enviroment and support from hardware and software vendors for products like Photoshop and Quark. Plus the true user base of Linux in the United States comes from corperate IT staffers in datacenters. To them, its about cost, not community. That's why I view RH's moves ending RH was a real stupid idea. To the average joe smoe, RH IS Linux and annoucing that we'll no longer see Redhat Boxes in Bestbuy will keep it out of site and out of mind as a possiblity for desktop.
I know what they mean with MacOS X.... I have it here too, and I do consider my next machine a Mac as well, yet I still run Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris here at home.
There is the still the Dot Communism that appeals to many in the leftist parts of Europe where Linux represents more of an Ideal and OSS a philosphy rather than a product and business model as it is treated in the United States. That is the reason why the LUG's never really did much about SCO. To the average user, including most at the SMB's I work with, this SCO issue is a moot point. To them, its between HP, IBM, RH, SuSE/Novell, FSF, and SCO...not the local bike shop or car dealer.
I think there is the main difference. In Europe it is not about the money alone, it's not about "how much money can I make" by the indivdiual (yes, it's a generalisation). Thus the attack on Linux and OSS in General was considered a Declaration of war, it even made headlines in German Newspapers who normallly wouldn't deal with it.
This is an interrested difference between the EU and the US. I wonder if we will see a stronger Europe in a couple of years, because in a changed world the people as well as the politicians are better in dealing with a lot of different cultures? In the past the "Island" USA had advantages, in this modern world were borders are mere "ideas" Europe might be better equipped than the US is right now.
he other reason was SuSE and Mandrake, both European and not from the United States. Which plays well in the EU. There is a mentality amoung many leaders in France and Germany that want to see the "United States of Europe" superpower and waining themselves from Microsoft could give Europe a leg up in technology as Linux catches on in SE Asia and the 3rd world.
I think you got that a bit wrong, yes they don't want the EU to have depend on the US for their wellbeing anymore (and heck, why would they want that), but it is by far not the idea to become a Superpower, at least not in the sense people see the US.
Seems like you haven't really learned a lot while you were living in Germany.
I think Linux will be catching on internationally in the next couple years on desktops big time. It probably will be longer in the United States.
Most likely. I guess the main reason for this is that a lot of people in Europe see the advantage already, the press is in favour of it and more and more people (because of this) are converting. Joe Smoe doesn't care about the "It's not Microsoft", but rather the fact that he can do what he wants with it. For most European companies (Ironically enough) It'll be because of the money they can save. The US will lag behind because of things like the SCO crap (where were all the LUGs in the US when SCO started spewing their FUD? You heard some small reistance, but it seems the real big bang happened in Europe).
My kids know that I can see everywhere they go by checking my firewall logs. If I check my logs and and see anything I feel is worth discussing then I will. Nothing will stop a 16 year old from viewing porn like having to face dad for an open and frank discussion that starts out as "so son, notice you've been looking at a lot of sex pages..Do you think all women are like that??
I use it at work, it doesn't need Admin Privliges, and it even routes DNS Requests through the Proxy, your logs will show empty.
Oh yes, ports are freely selectable, thus blocking is pretty much not possible (at least our firewall guys haven't figured it out yet if it is possible).
Yeah, I'm looking. How does a strategic attack on a military base compare with the total devastation of two whole cities?
Because otherwise so many brave americans might have died on the beaches of Japan if they attacked.
The idea to blow up an uninhabitat island was brought up but easily forgotten, after all nobody would have taken the US seriously by doing this.
You think I am kidding, right? But that was an argument that was brought forth by some people who still think it was just a great idea to reduce to cities to rubble.
However "good" the US might be, they are still so far the only country in the world who has used Nuclear Weapons in a war time scenario, and let's not forget things like the Firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg and Tokyo, just to stay in the second world war.
Bush is at least as much a raving rightwing religious lunatic as Hitler was (he has allegedly been found face down on the Oval Office floor praying) - and he has much more power and much less control and much less opposition in this country than Hitler did in Germany.
Don't say ths, didn't you get the memo that told you that comparisoin between Hitler and Bush are not okay?
After all, this is America and something like Hitler could never happen. America is far to superior to fall for something as simple as Hitler style politics.
And hand-counts will be time-consuming and error-prone (but not as error-prone as visually reading punched cards.)
Geez, you better tell that Canada and the most countries in Europe, believe it or not, this is how votes are cast in pretty much any other place of the world, and recounts are pretty much unheard of in those parts of the world.... Wonder why?
Every voting system can be hacked and abused by corrupt individuals.
True, but the way counting usually happens is that you have officials in every room from the parties who make sure people count right, they are counted three times and the numbers are agreed on, only then the results are announced, and that doesn't take as long as you might think.
With Electronic voting it is very hard to confirm that the votes are counted correctly, with a piece of paper it is easy to see, with a bit? How do you know that this is really what was supposed to be voted on?
Sounds childish, but I get the feeling it would be more accurate than e-voting.
Well, this is how most of the world (minus the Crayolas) is voting.
It's cheap, and pretty much fool proof. Why not just get rid of the voting machines and do it the old fashioned way, or would that be too "third world" like for the US?
Another absurd statement; health care in the USA is the best in the world. Oh wait, he means health care paid for by the taxpayer. There are plenty of private health insurers and hospitals are forbidden to turn away patients who cannot pay.
Though I am sure they do just what is necessary to not let you die.....
Thanks to superior medical care and a solid national defence...
Half of his time he spent in Europe tough....
Umm, what about last week's unemployment numbers down to 6 from 61? Umm, what about the stock market up significantly from the first of the year? Umm, what about corporate earnings meeting and beating expectations (which are up from last year)?
Actually those numbers, even though they look nice, don't paint an accureate picture.
Once people loose their unemployment benefits they also fall out of the statistic, so in essence it could just mean there are no further job losses, but not necessarily the creation of new ones.
Likewise, when the numbers were climbing, they were also understating.
In comparision: In Germany for example anybody who is without a job and because of this is on any kind of welfare is going to be counted in the stats, thus the numbers in Germany for example, tend to be higher.
You are aware though that for the rest of the world your "left" is our "right"? and what you consider "right" is pretty much our "far right", your far right though pretty much fell of our scale.
You are aware that France was not exactly a close ally of the US at this time, yes? The CIA assisted, I am sure, since they'd just as well cost the French aerospace industry some money, and leave Iraq that much more to distract Iran with. Either way, Iraq was getting the jets. Likewise, England is also an independent country. (As an aside, what I've always found amusing in such lists is how Canada is listed among Iraq's arms suppliers, thanks solely to one Canadian expatriate, Gerald Bull, who spent a little time working for Saddam until he met an untimely demise, presumably at the hands of Mossad.)
You know, the French might be "anti US" by now, but if you really think that in the late 70s things like that happened without the blessing from the US you're mistaken.
Take alone the little tidebit about the arms dealer being afraid that Saddam might turn to the Russians again. THIS alone would make the US do anything they can to make sure Saddam get's what he wants.
He might be a Bastard, but he's our Bastard
Sounds familiar?
Well, a quick scan of the report mentioned in the link says Israel, Egypt, South Korea, Taiwan, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, not to mention a number of Latin American countries. Friendly or not, all of these nations would no doubt jump at the chance to forward their goods to Iraq..
Egypt? Sure why not? Israel? Doubtful but still possible, UAE? I can see that actually, Saudi Arabia? There is a very good chance.
Don't you find it strange that Saudi Arabia did NOT send any troops to fight Iraq, if it is really such a huge menace to the region?
Nobody claims that the US is entirely innocent. US-based defense firms supplied arms to Iraq. However, the sum of all US exports is the merest of a drop in the bucket. The Soviets and the French were always Iraq's chief partners. Claiming that the US armed Iraq is factually true, but to such a limited extent that anybody fighting so hard to focus on it is obviously nursing an anti-American agenda.
I think you're last quote sums one thing up very nicely: You are like most people not quite aware just how much of an influence internationally the US has held in the past. There wasn't much that happened in the west that the US wasn't aware of, and at least sanctioned.
There are reports that make it quite clear that Saddam "asked for permission" from the US to annex Kuwait and he seemed to have gotten a response he considered in his favor.
It seems only after Saudi Arabia got worried did the US oppose the idea, but that's about it.
Reality is: We'll never know what exactly was sold because we are not supposed to know. Meanwhile, companies like Siemens are getting charged with selling Weapons because they sell medical equipment that could be used for other purposes as well.
Not to forget that the US sold airplanes to Saddam that could have clearly been used (with slight modifications) to distributed C weapons... So called "Dual Use" Equipment. None of this will show up in any of your weapons reports, as it is sold as a civilian technology, not military.
If you want to hide the obvious you can, it takes more than you or me to find out who sold what (and more importantly what it was used for).
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So do you in your car, or do you really think that the stuff is filtered out?
Doubtful.
So much money was invested, so many people "know" how to use Microsoft Products....
It'll be a while before anything changes.
I guess the place you'll see change first is in the Backend (that is already happening) and then maybe in Callcentres because those people are constantly trained anyways, and many are still used to working on 3270 Sessions anyways.
Before it reaches the Secretary though it'll be quite a while.
Well,
you can buy MacOS X, and there is YellowDog, so from a Software side of things: Yes you can.
As for building your own G4... No, not really, but you could always have bought an old Mac and converted installed either YLD or MacOS X on it.
Well let's see, because they give me a paycheck? Because they hold my Work Permit? Because any other company most likely will me make use Windows as well?
I bet you most people in Big Corporations are forced to use windows (not that they know any different).
I know I am forced to use windows at work, even though either a Mac or any Unix Desktop would do.
I ditch IE whenever I can, but for example our HR Website and anything else RELIES on Windows, no way around it.
True, they would just ship the entire plant off-shore.... Chine I think these days works well, so does South Korea.
More interrestingly: How would you proof that it was stolen?
And you can order your food into your suburb as well, hence, you don't have to leave your house anymore.
How about people would abandon the idea that they all need to have a house, a patch of grass and a road wide enough for 10 cars just to get onto the highway that can manage only 6 cars and stop being willing to drive 50 miles each way to work?
But I guess that would be too much of a stretch.
BTW, another interresting thing about the telecommuting:
The company saves money on real estate while you are now paying for this in your own place, not to talk about the power etc. etc.
I guess it's a double whammy for the company.
Not quite right.
Citrix for example is heavily used. Mainly in Callcentres and such but they are used. Were I work right now we have several Citrix farms as we have several call centres all across the country.
The backend is all Unix (HP & Sun, even some DEC) but the frontend is all Windows with Citrix.
Thin Clients are on their way, most likely from IBM, Flatpanel and all.
Ah? How do you know, you were listening in on their conversations? Or is this just the typical, ignorant USian talking who tries to defend something he doesn't quite understand but has to be because he believes that America can do no wrong. All of this of course while hiding?
Would this end up on front of a Jury? Isn't this is two companies lashing at each other? Or are they now "people" too (in a legal sense)?
Sorry, not USian, don't know that much about the US legal system.
I know what they mean with MacOS X.... I have it here too, and I do consider my next machine a Mac as well, yet I still run Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris here at home.
I think there is the main difference. In Europe it is not about the money alone, it's not about "how much money can I make" by the indivdiual (yes, it's a generalisation). Thus the attack on Linux and OSS in General was considered a Declaration of war, it even made headlines in German Newspapers who normallly wouldn't deal with it.
This is an interrested difference between the EU and the US. I wonder if we will see a stronger Europe in a couple of years, because in a changed world the people as well as the politicians are better in dealing with a lot of different cultures? In the past the "Island" USA had advantages, in this modern world were borders are mere "ideas" Europe might be better equipped than the US is right now.
I think you got that a bit wrong, yes they don't want the EU to have depend on the US for their wellbeing anymore (and heck, why would they want that), but it is by far not the idea to become a Superpower, at least not in the sense people see the US.
Seems like you haven't really learned a lot while you were living in Germany.
Most likely. I guess the main reason for this is that a lot of people in Europe see the advantage already, the press is in favour of it and more and more people (because of this) are converting. Joe Smoe doesn't care about the "It's not Microsoft", but rather the fact that he can do what he wants with it. For most European companies (Ironically enough) It'll be because of the money they can save. The US will lag behind because of things like the SCO crap (where were all the LUGs in the US when SCO started spewing their FUD? You heard some small reistance, but it seems the real big bang happened in Europe).
M.
At which point the kid will start using JAP.
I use it at work, it doesn't need Admin Privliges, and it even routes DNS Requests through the Proxy, your logs will show empty.
Oh yes, ports are freely selectable, thus blocking is pretty much not possible (at least our firewall guys haven't figured it out yet if it is possible).
A Canadian Satellite Company I worked for in Toronto had worse jobs to offer:
They had to pre-screen all the Porn they were broadcasting, so a lucky few had the honour to sit in the "Venus Room" and watch:
- Every single tape they were putting on PPV
- The Broadcasts that came out of the States, to make sure they are compliant with Regulations.
Then of course there were the Broadcast Engineers who had to make sure that all of this got crystal clear to your home.
I think that would take the fun out of it at home.
I am not sure they had time, it was what? Three days between the bombs? They could also have tried to find a military target instead of a city, no?
M.
Because otherwise so many brave americans might have died on the beaches of Japan if they attacked.
The idea to blow up an uninhabitat island was brought up but easily forgotten, after all nobody would have taken the US seriously by doing this.
You think I am kidding, right? But that was an argument that was brought forth by some people who still think it was just a great idea to reduce to cities to rubble.
However "good" the US might be, they are still so far the only country in the world who has used Nuclear Weapons in a war time scenario, and let's not forget things like the Firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg and Tokyo, just to stay in the second world war.
Don't say ths, didn't you get the memo that told you that comparisoin between Hitler and Bush are not okay?
After all, this is America and something like Hitler could never happen. America is far to superior to fall for something as simple as Hitler style politics.
Geez, you better tell that Canada and the most countries in Europe, believe it or not, this is how votes are cast in pretty much any other place of the world, and recounts are pretty much unheard of in those parts of the world.... Wonder why?
True, but the way counting usually happens is that you have officials in every room from the parties who make sure people count right, they are counted three times and the numbers are agreed on, only then the results are announced, and that doesn't take as long as you might think.
With Electronic voting it is very hard to confirm that the votes are counted correctly, with a piece of paper it is easy to see, with a bit? How do you know that this is really what was supposed to be voted on?
Well, this is how most of the world (minus the Crayolas) is voting.
It's cheap, and pretty much fool proof. Why not just get rid of the voting machines and do it the old fashioned way, or would that be too "third world" like for the US?
Though I am sure they do just what is necessary to not let you die.....
Half of his time he spent in Europe tough....
Actually those numbers, even though they look nice, don't paint an accureate picture.
Once people loose their unemployment benefits they also fall out of the statistic, so in essence it could just mean there are no further job losses, but not necessarily the creation of new ones.
Likewise, when the numbers were climbing, they were also understating.
In comparision: In Germany for example anybody who is without a job and because of this is on any kind of welfare is going to be counted in the stats, thus the numbers in Germany for example, tend to be higher.
You are aware though that for the rest of the world your "left" is our "right"? and what you consider "right" is pretty much our "far right", your far right though pretty much fell of our scale.
Welcome to Managment.
Windows, after all, it pays more overtime
You know, the French might be "anti US" by now, but if you really think that in the late 70s things like that happened without the blessing from the US you're mistaken.
Take alone the little tidebit about the arms dealer being afraid that Saddam might turn to the Russians again. THIS alone would make the US do anything they can to make sure Saddam get's what he wants.
He might be a Bastard, but he's our Bastard
Sounds familiar?
Egypt? Sure why not? Israel? Doubtful but still possible, UAE? I can see that actually, Saudi Arabia? There is a very good chance.
Don't you find it strange that Saudi Arabia did NOT send any troops to fight Iraq, if it is really such a huge menace to the region?
I think you're last quote sums one thing up very nicely: You are like most people not quite aware just how much of an influence internationally the US has held in the past. There wasn't much that happened in the west that the US wasn't aware of, and at least sanctioned.
There are reports that make it quite clear that Saddam "asked for permission" from the US to annex Kuwait and he seemed to have gotten a response he considered in his favor.
It seems only after Saudi Arabia got worried did the US oppose the idea, but that's about it.
Reality is: We'll never know what exactly was sold because we are not supposed to know. Meanwhile, companies like Siemens are getting charged with selling Weapons because they sell medical equipment that could be used for other purposes as well.
Not to forget that the US sold airplanes to Saddam that could have clearly been used (with slight modifications) to distributed C weapons... So called "Dual Use" Equipment. None of this will show up in any of your weapons reports, as it is sold as a civilian technology, not military.
If you want to hide the obvious you can, it takes more than you or me to find out who sold what (and more importantly what it was used for).
M.