Religious? Probably nothing - it's still actually meat, just carved from one giant contiually cloned, ever-living, non-sentient beast.
What about vegetarianism in the spirit of ahimsa (do no harm) - not eating animals because you would be supporting killing them? Since it's not a living and sentient being, you're not harming it in any way.
IANAB (I am not a Buddhist), though. Are there any here who'd like to respond?
I would make a snide comment about the American educational system, but then there's a nearby assertion about non-Americans thinking the US is self-centered, probability.98.
Oh, and don't forget...
0.96 Bill Clinton president of USA ?
Now although Clinton's been pushing for a repeal of the presidential term limit, he hasn't even announced his recandidacy yet....
If no animal had to die for the meat, what's the point? Meat just isn't the same without the murder.
A little more seriously...if no animal had to die for the meat, what will this mean for voluntary (PETA-style) vegetarianism or veganism? What will it mean for religious vegetarianism?
Yesterday we were in danger of being further from freedom today than we were yesterday. Today we are not further, so the danger is gone. Which means the expected value of our distance from freedom is, indeed, a bit closer.
(I think I'm going to double-major in stat and pol sci.:-)
What if they pierce the corporate veil and start taking those $1B hits from Bill Gates himself? Last I heard, Gates is worth less than $100B. It's MSFT that's making $1B a month, not Gates personally.
After all, part of the complaint in this case is Gates (as an individual) asking Grove (as an individual) not to invest in Go, so Gates (as an individual), not Microsoft, should be held responsible for that, right? And I'm sure there are other cases where the wrongdoing is the singular fault of one individual in MS, be it Gates or Ballmer or some other high-ranking official.
Its an interesting conundrum which is only showing up in the computer age. If I bought a car tire, turned tied it to a tree and used it as a swing, I could do so. If I resold it as a swing, the manufacturers wouldn't care. It would still be an increase in their sales.
What if they sold the car tires at a loss assuming that you'll buy lots of gas (or something; tires are a weak metaphor) and the car companies get a cut of the gas price?
The only reason a full computer is being sold at less than $150 is that they expect to remake their loss on your buying Xbox games.
What gives with computer hardware/software anyways? Why does it have to be so different? I think the only problem here (which I agree to) is that some mods can be used to play games which were copied without first buying them.
That indeed was the problem in the story: he modded the boxes, upgraded them, and loaded bootlegged games onto it, and sold it for his own profit.
(their prob if they sell at a loss)
Our prob too, because MS will adjust prices so games sell at something more reasonable (like $20), self-publishing will be allowed, and the Xbox computer itself will cost several hundred dollars - the true price of the system. Sure, 733MHz/64MB/10GB/DVD sounds weak now, but it was one of the more powerful systems compared to the computers available when it came out, and if MS stopped selling at a loss it would be priced like one.
Let's face it. The reason we mod Xboxes to do non-copyright-infringing stuff is not so much that we want to say, "Hey, I'm so stupid that instead of using a regular computer, I bought a game console and voided its warranty and got something that almost works like a regular computer!" It's because we don't want to pay the full price for a computer of its ability. While there's nothing illegal about this, we should remember that we are reneging on our end of the prisoner's dilemma contract, and prices may adjust to reflect that fact.
Did you read the articles you're using as evidence?
After all, how could you tell about subtle changes in a human's blood from eating microwaved food if smoking, booze, junk food, pollution, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics and everything else in the common environment were also present?
In other words: the study was very theoretical, and environmental factors affect humans much more than anything a microwave can do to the food.
That's why there was a gag order against slander. The study wasn't meaningful and was just fearmongering. If there was any real meaning, they could've used the truth defense against slander in half a second and gotten the gag order lifted.
"High-pressure boiling, low-pressure boiling (conventional), steaming and microwaving were the four domestic cooking processes used in this work . . . . [W]e can conclude that a greater quantity of phenolic compounds will be provided by consumption of steamed broccoli as compared with broccoli prepared by other cooking processes."
So the only process that's significantly different is steaming. That means that microwaving is as bad as boiling. Is boiling now somehow "fundamentally different from traditional cooking" too?
A lot of people are complaining about parent characterizing this court as "center-left". Look at the username for a hint why. Dagny Taggart is a character from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. This means that parent's conception of "right" and "left" is probably the Randian individualism vs. communism.
Just because neo-cons evolved from right-wingers doesn't mean that they're not communist. A state-backed and state-helped "private" corporation is no better than a state-run industry. If "private" corporations can use eminent domain - a power of the state - then aren't the state and the corporations the same thing - a feature of a Communist government?
So help me, God, too. Theocracies rarely help the religions that they enforce.
The last benefit Christianity got from a quasi-theocracy was the conversion of Constantine - and that mainly because he stopped the official persecution of Christians and took away a lot of the tribal paganism throughout Europe. Once a religion is well-known and it's not being persecuted, a theocracy doesn't help it anymore.
Ogg Vorbis is the reason I no longer listen to audio or video clips from Wikipedia. It's too much of a hassle to ensure I have an Ogg player installed.
Sure, I have Winamp on my desktop computer, and I think it's set up to play Oggs. But Winamp is dying (if you'll pardon the cliché), and Windows Media, Real, and QuickTime don't (easily) support Ogg. When I first heard about Ogg, I thought it was an interesting idea, but now it just seems like a hassle in practice. I mean, I have several MP3 players and encoders, and I've never been asked to pay for a codec for any of them.
By the way, the obscurity of Ogg Vorbis is demonstrated by a popular electronics catalog (I forget which) advertising a music player as supporting "099 Vorbis".
Teh worst thing? Betamax no longer protects P2P - the Supremes have screwed the Betamax ruling over. Under thier ruling, the whole internet can be shut down and ISP's sued for infringement becuase they provide something that might be used for infringement.
What the hell is wrong with the courts? Its akin to convicting a woman of prostitution becasue she is "equipped" to commit the crime.
Please read the decision carefully before you criticize the courts. Or at least read the summary carefully. Betamax was not advertised as a way to make illegal copies. ISPs don't advertise Internet access as a way to infringe copyright. Women can be arrested if they're advertising themselves as a possible prostitute, not just for having the ability to become a prostitute.
Equipment doesn't matter. The test here is whether the promoters were promoting an illegal use - whether they were encouraging people to break the law.
I cringe too, but not exactly for the same reasons. Anything with a phylactery-flaunting name like the "Christian Coalition" is most decidedly not Christian. People will get a really negative impression of Christianity.
Once the Christian Coalition has extended copyright to 2000 years + life of author, they will surely be on the same side as the RIAA. Hide your illegitimate copies of the bible.
Isn't life of the author enough?:-)
(Interestingly, the King James Version is still under perpetual crown copyright [or something like that] in the UK, which is really annoying when you're looking for a public domain Bible to quote, e.g. on Wikipedia....)
Near-total anonymity? Even if you run SSH, it's still blazingly obvious that you're holding an ssh connection to your home IP address. If they see the pattern too much and they're afraid -- or if a teacher or tattletale reports you -- they'll block your home IP.
SSH is great, but most of the time my worry is not so much anonymity (hiding what I'm doing with this connection) as saving the ability to make the connection itself.
As a "child" (well, under 18), I think I speak for all of us when I say please stop thinking about us. One easy way to take this burden off your shoulders is to give us the vote (let those who pass high-school civics or government be able to vote). Because we can think for ourselves, thank you very much.
Hehe, I do the same; I have sshd running on this computer at home so I can get to it from outside. If I need something, I use that method; I've just never needed stuff badly enough to bother grabbing the entire website (images and links and...).
I could set up a proxy or something, but I'm worried that they'll catch on to me and block either the putty website or (worse) my home IP. I use my home computer for transferring files and such, so I can't risk it too much.
They make us and our parents sign an acceptable use policy or somesuch saying that we won't so much as breathe on their routers after eating onions. I think this is enforceable as a contract since my parents signed it and the entire minor-immunity thing doesn't apply to them.
you should absolutely not admit to anyone what you've done without the counsel of a lawyer.
In one particular case a month or two ago, it didn't help much: I used the unblocked Windows file sharing to help a user edit her files from outside the computer lab. Of course she went to the teacher's classroom and explained what we did well before I got there (I had thought the teacher wouldn't mind), so pleading the fifth wasn't a viable option.
As sibling AC mentioned, of course nobody's going to sign for me to go against the official rules. That's why I'm always sure to do whatever I do in the lab of a teacher who knows me and knows that I'm white hat (and knows enough about computers to understand the gist of what I'm doing), and I always prevent too much evidence from leaving the lab to the hands of someone who doesn't know me.
What would have been a better punishment for Microsoft would have been forcing them to open up their APIs and documentation, publish their source code, or split the company up into competing units, or revoke their license to do business.
This is a great idea in principle, but it would destabilize much of the economy (especially the latter two suggestions), thanks to the Microsoft monoculture. Of course a destabilization that results in MS going away is a good idea, but I don't think the EU wanted to do that.
Besides, there's that problem of the punishment fitting the crime. Opening up APIs would be awesome...but it has nothing to do with bundling media players. The only other option would be for MS to include RealOne, QuickTime, and Winamp, but copyright wouldn't let the courts even think about mandating that, and then Joe Blow, author of Joe's Obscure MP3 Player, would complain that his wasn't bundled too.
I guess the courts could've forbid WMA in the EU unless the specs were opened, but...
Nice troll. I normally wouldn't respond, but many people seem to be confused by this post.
1) Nobody with even a passing knowledge of science spells "lense" with an "e" at the end.
2) The gravitational field of the Earth does not produce a lens effect. A gravitational lens occurs when light from behind an object is focused by the entire circumference of the object:
whereas any "natural lens effect" by the Earth for Earth-dwellers would only bend the light, not focus it. Not to mention that this gravitational field is too weak to make a noticeable difference. That's why the experimental confirmation of the bending of light (after Einstein's prediction) had to wait for a solar eclipse, and couldn't be confirmed with Earth's gravity.
3) The angular diameter of the image of the moon (the light rays reflected from it) is equal when the moon is low and when it is high. It's an optical illusion, not a concrete fact. It also works with the Sun, which may be easier to measure. Take a picture of a sunrise or sunset, when the Sun appears large. Take a picture of the Sun in the sky, when it seems smaller. The disc of the Sun will have the same size in both pictures.
4) What the heck does the linked article have to do with the moon?
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Religious? Probably nothing - it's still actually meat, just carved from one giant contiually cloned, ever-living, non-sentient beast.
What about vegetarianism in the spirit of ahimsa (do no harm) - not eating animals because you would be supporting killing them? Since it's not a living and sentient being, you're not harming it in any way.
IANAB (I am not a Buddhist), though. Are there any here who'd like to respond?
I do remember him taking a lot of psychadelics at one point, which could explain where he's gone in life.
Says the person posting on Slashdot with username freeweed.
What about...
.98.
0.96 Is sphere area is 3*Pi*r^2?
I would make a snide comment about the American educational system, but then there's a nearby assertion about non-Americans thinking the US is self-centered, probability
Oh, and don't forget...
0.96 Bill Clinton president of USA ?
Now although Clinton's been pushing for a repeal of the presidential term limit, he hasn't even announced his recandidacy yet....
If no animal had to die for the meat, what's the point? Meat just isn't the same without the murder.
A little more seriously...if no animal had to die for the meat, what will this mean for voluntary (PETA-style) vegetarianism or veganism? What will it mean for religious vegetarianism?
Soylent Green is PPPoE???
Yesterday we were in danger of being further from freedom today than we were yesterday. Today we are not further, so the danger is gone. Which means the expected value of our distance from freedom is, indeed, a bit closer.
:-)
(I think I'm going to double-major in stat and pol sci.
What if they pierce the corporate veil and start taking those $1B hits from Bill Gates himself? Last I heard, Gates is worth less than $100B. It's MSFT that's making $1B a month, not Gates personally.
After all, part of the complaint in this case is Gates (as an individual) asking Grove (as an individual) not to invest in Go, so Gates (as an individual), not Microsoft, should be held responsible for that, right? And I'm sure there are other cases where the wrongdoing is the singular fault of one individual in MS, be it Gates or Ballmer or some other high-ranking official.
Its an interesting conundrum which is only showing up in the computer age. If I bought a car tire, turned tied it to a tree and used it as a swing, I could do so. If I resold it as a swing, the manufacturers wouldn't care. It would still be an increase in their sales.
What if they sold the car tires at a loss assuming that you'll buy lots of gas (or something; tires are a weak metaphor) and the car companies get a cut of the gas price?
The only reason a full computer is being sold at less than $150 is that they expect to remake their loss on your buying Xbox games.
What gives with computer hardware/software anyways? Why does it have to be so different? I think the only problem here (which I agree to) is that some mods can be used to play games which were copied without first buying them.
That indeed was the problem in the story: he modded the boxes, upgraded them, and loaded bootlegged games onto it, and sold it for his own profit.
(their prob if they sell at a loss)
Our prob too, because MS will adjust prices so games sell at something more reasonable (like $20), self-publishing will be allowed, and the Xbox computer itself will cost several hundred dollars - the true price of the system. Sure, 733MHz/64MB/10GB/DVD sounds weak now, but it was one of the more powerful systems compared to the computers available when it came out, and if MS stopped selling at a loss it would be priced like one.
Let's face it. The reason we mod Xboxes to do non-copyright-infringing stuff is not so much that we want to say, "Hey, I'm so stupid that instead of using a regular computer, I bought a game console and voided its warranty and got something that almost works like a regular computer!" It's because we don't want to pay the full price for a computer of its ability. While there's nothing illegal about this, we should remember that we are reneging on our end of the prisoner's dilemma contract, and prices may adjust to reflect that fact.
Did you read the articles you're using as evidence?
After all, how could you tell about subtle changes in a human's blood from eating microwaved food if smoking, booze, junk food, pollution, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics and everything else in the common environment were also present?
In other words: the study was very theoretical, and environmental factors affect humans much more than anything a microwave can do to the food.
That's why there was a gag order against slander. The study wasn't meaningful and was just fearmongering. If there was any real meaning, they could've used the truth defense against slander in half a second and gotten the gag order lifted.
"High-pressure boiling, low-pressure boiling (conventional), steaming and microwaving were the four domestic cooking processes used in this work . . . . [W]e can conclude that a greater quantity of phenolic compounds will be provided by consumption of steamed broccoli as compared with broccoli prepared by other cooking processes."
So the only process that's significantly different is steaming. That means that microwaving is as bad as boiling. Is boiling now somehow "fundamentally different from traditional cooking" too?
The compliance officer should also get fired, because the buck stops with them.
:-)
Don't you mean that 251 million bucks stop with them?
A lot of people are complaining about parent characterizing this court as "center-left". Look at the username for a hint why. Dagny Taggart is a character from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. This means that parent's conception of "right" and "left" is probably the Randian individualism vs. communism.
Just because neo-cons evolved from right-wingers doesn't mean that they're not communist. A state-backed and state-helped "private" corporation is no better than a state-run industry. If "private" corporations can use eminent domain - a power of the state - then aren't the state and the corporations the same thing - a feature of a Communist government?
So help me, Buddha.
So help me, God, too. Theocracies rarely help the religions that they enforce.
The last benefit Christianity got from a quasi-theocracy was the conversion of Constantine - and that mainly because he stopped the official persecution of Christians and took away a lot of the tribal paganism throughout Europe. Once a religion is well-known and it's not being persecuted, a theocracy doesn't help it anymore.
Ogg Vorbis is the reason I no longer listen to audio or video clips from Wikipedia. It's too much of a hassle to ensure I have an Ogg player installed.
Sure, I have Winamp on my desktop computer, and I think it's set up to play Oggs. But Winamp is dying (if you'll pardon the cliché), and Windows Media, Real, and QuickTime don't (easily) support Ogg. When I first heard about Ogg, I thought it was an interesting idea, but now it just seems like a hassle in practice. I mean, I have several MP3 players and encoders, and I've never been asked to pay for a codec for any of them.
By the way, the obscurity of Ogg Vorbis is demonstrated by a popular electronics catalog (I forget which) advertising a music player as supporting "099 Vorbis".
March 15, 44 BC...I mean, March 15, 1995.
Teh worst thing? Betamax no longer protects P2P - the Supremes have screwed the Betamax ruling over. Under thier ruling, the whole internet can be shut down and ISP's sued for infringement becuase they provide something that might be used for infringement.
What the hell is wrong with the courts? Its akin to convicting a woman of prostitution becasue she is "equipped" to commit the crime.
Please read the decision carefully before you criticize the courts. Or at least read the summary carefully. Betamax was not advertised as a way to make illegal copies. ISPs don't advertise Internet access as a way to infringe copyright. Women can be arrested if they're advertising themselves as a possible prostitute, not just for having the ability to become a prostitute.
Equipment doesn't matter. The test here is whether the promoters were promoting an illegal use - whether they were encouraging people to break the law.
I cringe too, but not exactly for the same reasons. Anything with a phylactery-flaunting name like the "Christian Coalition" is most decidedly not Christian. People will get a really negative impression of Christianity.
Once the Christian Coalition has extended copyright to 2000 years + life of author, they will surely be on the same side as the RIAA. Hide your illegitimate copies of the bible.
:-)
Isn't life of the author enough?
(Interestingly, the King James Version is still under perpetual crown copyright [or something like that] in the UK, which is really annoying when you're looking for a public domain Bible to quote, e.g. on Wikipedia....)
Speaking of Grand Teton...do you know how the name translates into English?
Near-total anonymity? Even if you run SSH, it's still blazingly obvious that you're holding an ssh connection to your home IP address. If they see the pattern too much and they're afraid -- or if a teacher or tattletale reports you -- they'll block your home IP.
SSH is great, but most of the time my worry is not so much anonymity (hiding what I'm doing with this connection) as saving the ability to make the connection itself.
As a "child" (well, under 18), I think I speak for all of us when I say please stop thinking about us. One easy way to take this burden off your shoulders is to give us the vote (let those who pass high-school civics or government be able to vote). Because we can think for ourselves, thank you very much.
Hehe, I do the same; I have sshd running on this computer at home so I can get to it from outside. If I need something, I use that method; I've just never needed stuff badly enough to bother grabbing the entire website (images and links and...).
I could set up a proxy or something, but I'm worried that they'll catch on to me and block either the putty website or (worse) my home IP. I use my home computer for transferring files and such, so I can't risk it too much.
...it's not illegal or even immoral.
They make us and our parents sign an acceptable use policy or somesuch saying that we won't so much as breathe on their routers after eating onions. I think this is enforceable as a contract since my parents signed it and the entire minor-immunity thing doesn't apply to them.
you should absolutely not admit to anyone what you've done without the counsel of a lawyer.
In one particular case a month or two ago, it didn't help much: I used the unblocked Windows file sharing to help a user edit her files from outside the computer lab. Of course she went to the teacher's classroom and explained what we did well before I got there (I had thought the teacher wouldn't mind), so pleading the fifth wasn't a viable option.
As sibling AC mentioned, of course nobody's going to sign for me to go against the official rules. That's why I'm always sure to do whatever I do in the lab of a teacher who knows me and knows that I'm white hat (and knows enough about computers to understand the gist of what I'm doing), and I always prevent too much evidence from leaving the lab to the hands of someone who doesn't know me.
What would have been a better punishment for Microsoft would have been forcing them to open up their APIs and documentation, publish their source code, or split the company up into competing units, or revoke their license to do business.
This is a great idea in principle, but it would destabilize much of the economy (especially the latter two suggestions), thanks to the Microsoft monoculture. Of course a destabilization that results in MS going away is a good idea, but I don't think the EU wanted to do that.
Besides, there's that problem of the punishment fitting the crime. Opening up APIs would be awesome...but it has nothing to do with bundling media players. The only other option would be for MS to include RealOne, QuickTime, and Winamp, but copyright wouldn't let the courts even think about mandating that, and then Joe Blow, author of Joe's Obscure MP3 Player, would complain that his wasn't bundled too.
I guess the courts could've forbid WMA in the EU unless the specs were opened, but...
1) Nobody with even a passing knowledge of science spells "lense" with an "e" at the end.
2) The gravitational field of the Earth does not produce a lens effect. A gravitational lens occurs when light from behind an object is focused by the entire circumference of the object:whereas any "natural lens effect" by the Earth for Earth-dwellers would only bend the light, not focus it. Not to mention that this gravitational field is too weak to make a noticeable difference. That's why the experimental confirmation of the bending of light (after Einstein's prediction) had to wait for a solar eclipse, and couldn't be confirmed with Earth's gravity.
3) The angular diameter of the image of the moon (the light rays reflected from it) is equal when the moon is low and when it is high. It's an optical illusion, not a concrete fact. It also works with the Sun, which may be easier to measure. Take a picture of a sunrise or sunset, when the Sun appears large. Take a picture of the Sun in the sky, when it seems smaller. The disc of the Sun will have the same size in both pictures.
4) What the heck does the linked article have to do with the moon?