Would he rather hear, We don't care about that bug
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The CVS Cop-Out
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A cop out? Give me a break... If it was software you payed for, then a response like that could be considered a cop out. With open source software you should be happy that they are already aware of the problem and working on it, or in this case, have already worked on it. This article is ridiculous, I mean if they start rushing out and releasing software overly quickly, then the same users would be complaining of bugs.
I mean nobody is happy when they realize the piece of software they are using doesn't do what they want it to, but to call it a 'cop-out' that the developers tell you that the problem is fixed and you have to be patient till a release comes out, is just being a spoiled biyatch. The author of the article says that most people use the version of software that comes with their distro anyway, so obviously they would have to wait for the patched version to become available. Those same people wouldn't be helped with an early release binary posted on the devs site. Here's a solution for the writer of the article if he has no patience, take the bull by the horns and learn to code, otherwise be happy you got a response at all, then sit back and wait, and most of all STFU!
Joel is off on this one. This IS about the record companies desire to increase revenue from the digital download sector. There is a HINT of what the Joel is saying within the motivation for mutil tiered pricing, but, but gaining more pricing flexibility in this early stage of the game is more what Big Music wants.
Big Music wants to be able to call all the shots, especially in an area like price which figures so heavily into the profit equation. When they signed up with Apple the first time, they never imagined that Apple would go on to dominate the landscape in the fashion that they have. Apple currently is the one setting the prices, they don't like that, plain and simple.
I really don't think there are many who are considering buying a mac just to install windows or linux on it. Anyway if it were linux that you want on your mac, it's already readily available, in a number of distros.
And your argument that this will "move mindshare for apple to a premium hardware supplier, not a platform supplier." Doesn't really make much sense either, because if apple does manage to gain mindshare as a premium hardware vendor, they would happily go up against Dell, as apple has much better profit margins than dell. (Remember, your argument is people already are ok with spending more for apple hardware... why would that change if over time if the mindshare that they are a premium hardware maker is growing?)
Anyway in this day of many cheap linux boxen replacing 1 expensive Sun or any of the older 'premium hardware' vendors, I don't think apple really expects to be increasing it's profit margins on the computer hardware side, the handwriting is on the wall, profit margins for computers will continue to slide. By switching to intel they will gain some economy of scale, but more importantly, if and when the profit margins on computer hardware become too slim, Apple will will already have the safety net option of just licensing OS X to Dell or HP to build boxes for them, or they could just release OS X as software only and sell it to anyone with the right x86 box.
This move to intel could hurt apple for a number of reasons, but not because people might buy the hardware to install something besides OS X on it.
The music industry is largely superfluous at this point, but unfortunately they haven't realized that yet. Unfortunately, they won't go down without a fight, and since they have made such an obscene amount of money over the years, they have the cash reserves to wage quite a war.
Vote with your dollars, go see live music. Go see that local band that has been playing at the corner bar for years. Find someone who seeks out music outside the mainstream and have them make you a mix. There is so much more out there than reaches the top 100. As digital distribution expands we will have more access to what we want, not what we are being force fed. Turn off MTV, it is the industry.
'The words of the prophet are written on studio walls'
I would challenge you to find anything open source developers can do process-wise that is not feasible in private enterprise. I have yet to find something.
How many projects in private enterprise can boast that all the people working on it would do so without pay?
Hey just http://www.macintouch.com/mactable.html check this page for partial list of Jack's shenanigans. This new case sounds like a good example of a legitimate copyright beef, and if it keeps another Jack Campbell rip-off from the market, more power to them.
keep sucking at that corporate teet AC, and see how well it feeds you if nobody pushes them or if nobody buys their products.
You seem to think they we, we the users, we the stockholders, we the buyers (and I'm all 3), can't ask a company for more, that we should be happy with whatever they offer. All this guy was saying is that the cooperation between apple and KHTML is basically the minimum required by the license, and people should characterize it as that.
I can understand though how you would be scared of apple 'turning on' you based on their childish actions, like pulling books because a publisher is publishing a bio of Mr Jobs that apparently he doesn't like. Now that is a good move for the stockholders how? Seems like it's using corporate muscle to squash a personal dispute. All this KHTML developer was doing was informing the general public of the state of affairs between apple and KHTML, from the KHTML perspective. I think this is a good thing, Apple has multiple channels to spread whatever message it chooses to. Where besides/. will you get to see this side of the story? If all you want is the business side of the story I humbly suggest you are browsing the wrong site.
yay for selective reading.
the point was he blames the rumor sites for disappointment at the new powermac update, while failing to see apple's part in this.
Go look around the net, Job's comment about the G5's being at 3Ghz last summer has obviously had a lot more impact than his lame disclaimer a year later. And remember when apple introduced the dual G5's (I think it was the dual G5's) where they said on their website something akin to 'stay tuned we've got something to blow away the rumor sites predictions'. Well you can't have it both ways, trumpeting the sites when you can deliver ahead of them and bashing them when you can't. The point is apple can't expect to be able to bamboozle their buyers who are in the tech industry with marketing fluff, if they are going to target this stuff at tech savvy power users (as they are) then they better expect to have the hardware they release picked apart by those same tech savvy power users. There's nothing wrong with it, they are the same people that were very impressed at the dual G5 when it came out, they are the same ones who sang it's praises. If you are hearing a lot of mac users groan at the specs of this update don't blame the rumor sites, listen to those groans, they are your customers speaking.
Apple has never even so much as implied that we plan to use them for anything, ever. Being disappointed when a product we never announced fails to materialize is, frankly, pretty bizarre.
It's not bizarre if you look at it from a customer's perspective. To me saying the rumor mill is so damaging to Apple is bizarre. Do you honestly expect that Apple can manage everyone's expectations, like they work so hard to manage their image? Even if Apple manages to squash every rumor site with their 'first amendment be damned' attitude, do you think that will stop intelligent well read techies from making predictions about what apple may or may not release? Or more importantly what Apple SHOULD release based on the existing marketplace and existing/emerging technologies?
I am a long time apple user (first computer apple ][+ in 1980) but even I get surprised at their arrogance at times. If this parent poster really works at apple, it's just another case of apple blaming user expectations when in fact they aren't delivering the goods. Mr. Jobs (not a rumor site) set the bar very high when he said we would be at 3Ghz by last summer (LAST SUMMER). Yet you are blaming rumor sites for high expectations? Perhaps you should read some of the marketing claims made by apple, then do a reality check.
Don't get me wrong, these are nice machine and I may be buying a 2.3 (since that liquid cooling system scares me), but it won't be because Apple tells me it's the 'ultimate creative platform' it will be because in a few weeks some people will actually have the machines in their hands and I will be able to get some real (non-marketing fluff) information on the strengths and weaknesses.
Also, if it's a prototype, then I would say it's much more than a myth.
For an attorney to openly lie in court is not taken lightly.
well I guess I'm not naive enough to believe that attorneys don't lie daily in court, but anyway. Jesse will get involved in pretty much any cause that will get him on tv, plus as a 'man of god' himself he often crosses political borders on the religion guise.
I would have to say I consider myself libertarian myself, my beef was with your assertion that Bush has gotten a pass in the media compared to Clinton. In my observation is has been the exact opposite. Anyway, lets just go get some prostitutes and have a fun weekend.
You like Clinton, but you think he's a moral reprobate, who was not taken to task for the transgressions you list.
You like Bush, who apparently has never done anything wrong, and anything that anyone might think he did wrong is just suffering from the liberal bias of the media.
And you try to say your not conservative?
My point in bringing up the schiavo case was that the GOP of late has been acting like they are on some moral high ground, when in fact they are just using the religious right to hold onto power, and as they have shown, they will sell out that same religious right as soon as it is politically advantageous for them to do so.
Personally I was never a huge Clinton fan, though I did prefer him to the opposition at the time. It's only in comparison to our current administration that Clinton looks so good, and that's pretty sad.
I noticed, too, that the Clinton administration could do no wrong, whereas the Bush administration can do no right. In actuality, there is little, if any, difference between their policies. Again, we're dealing with simplistic liberal politics.
So you like Clinton? The way it looks to me is that Clinton was assassinated on so called character and moral issues. Yet Dubya has gay prostitutes posing as reporters to lob him softball questions. This administration has put it's own intelligence officers in danger by revealing who they were solely for political gain.
Look at how this administration handled the Schiavo case, they jumped in to try and pander to the religious right, but as soon as the polls showed them it was not a popular cause they left the right to fight on it's own. How's it feel to be pimped by the GOP?..... suckers
I think apple probably thought they had a little time before it became such common knowledge how to open and service a mac mini. Now that the cat is out of the bag, they knew they had less chance of selling the high mark up prices they were offering as many people would do it themselves or have some mac savvy friend install the upgrades. So instead of just not getting any slice of that pie, they lowered the prices to try and hold on to some of that business.
By basically picking an encryption system that is just a stronger version of CSS, they have ensured a steady stream of easily copyable content. the shortsightedness of this decision is laughable (insert hails of derisive laughter here). And at least I will be able to practice my fair use rights (once someone smarter than me cracks the encryption).
So we should write laws to protect corporate cronyism?
Come on, get off it. If say Philadelphia gains free wifi access your saying this will lead to programs sucking money out of your pocket? Thats ridiculous. This is just fear mongering. (ie OMG if gays marry it will ruin life on earth!)
First of all I would doubt free wifi would satisfy most readers of/. There would still be demand for reliable private access. Yes there would be a percentage of people who would say, well I can at least get some kind of access for free, so I won't shell out for a pay solution. But it will force business to sharpen their game and really offer a good value. I would expect the only reason somewhere like Phili has considered this is because they could do it for a reasonable cost. And that is the beauty of the technology.. why punish a community that is trying to help it's citizens to make it easier for a corporation to reach into our pockets. Face it, the US lags behind many countries in broadband connections to the people. We need to catch up. We need to PROMOTE creative uses of technology to help our citizens. We don't need more legislation to prop up outmoded business models that can't survive in the free market.
They do have a big cash supply but...
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As being a long time Steve Jobs watcher it seems sometimes he won't listen to anyone else once he gets his sights on something. I would expect the legal team brought up the probable issues that could arise from Apple going heavily into music with iTunes and the iPod.
From what I know of the previous agreement it would be hard to see that Apple has much of a leg to stand on, no surprise the number ($$) offerred by the Beatles lawyers to settle is going to be a big one. Especially with so many Apple Press Releases touting the number of tracks and ipods sold.
The only good that will come out of this (well aside from making Paul and Ringo a little richer) is I would imagine the previous settlement will be appended and apple will no longer have this monkey on it's back. Hopefully it will be a one time payment and not a percentage of profits going forward.
I try to support the authors of shareware that I use. It just makes sense to me, but I do start to feel squeezed when the authors try to get frequent upgrade prices and the like. (So I do frequently keep using the older version that I paid for, until there is something really compelling to pay for, or a free solution becomes available) But I do feel like the authors often get forced to try and get every penny out of those that do register, since they see such abuse of their work (ie posted serial numbers, code generators, surfers serials, saltmine etc).
I think it was a bad idea that the developer stuck in home directory deleting facility, but I can understand where he's coming from. From what I read he quickly saw the error of his ways and removed the code. I don't think he needs to be beat up anymore over this. When you use serial numbers obtained through nefarious channels you are taking a risk, though it seems the risk is so small as to not be enough to make much of an impact.
So we'll have super army suits... too bad there is no plan for a super world leader hat that will give them 300% more understanding, knowledge and enlightenment.
seriously though, if it's ok for Real to reverse engineer to create interoperability, how was it not ok for John DeCSS to reverse engineer to make linux interoperable with the DVD format?
1. What has always been illegal, should stay illegal.
You should not be able to profit off others copyrighted works without properly compensating them.
That being said, by extending copyright protection to protect against any reverse engineering without regard for why they might be doing it is just plain stupid. All it does is make people who are just trying to exercise their fair use rights into criminals. Crime organizations (or a slightly motivated college student) can easily circumvent (or find the information needed to circumvent) the protection.
2. Apple has played both sides of this argument (if you are to take into consideration Steve Jobs keynotes)
Apple has gone after HYMN (or playfair) under the umbrella of the DMCA. Yet, Steve Jobs said when he introduced the iTunes music store, that in his pitch to the record companies he stressed that "DRM doesn't work".
I think apple needs to be careful in how they handle resellers.
To be specific though, if they somehow manage to piss off Small Dog electronics and they stop selling apples, I doubt I will buy any more macs.
I have purchased about 20 CDs from itunes music store, but was always concerned about what might happen with the tracks if apple were to get out of the music biz, my worry increased with the changes to the iTunes license in 4.5 & 4.6. I was happy to see fairplay and hymn come along. I used it to clean my tracks. I have not shared or copied anyone else's purchased music.
I thought it was an interesting decision on the hymn programmers part to keep the apple id tag in the cleaned tracks. I find it curious that apple chose to check for that to decide if a track was legit (in itunes 4.6). Perhaps this was the easiest way to check if it was a track altered by hymn, but also perhaps apple would rather have hymn go back to stripping out all info so that their legal case against hymn will be stronger. AFAIK apple has sent no cease and desist orders to the hymn developers since they got to their current home and released the version that keeps the apple id intact (if it has happened neither side has made it public).
I think hymn at this point should keep trying to take the high road (as much as is can be called a high road in this case), if possible instead of storing that apple id in a non standard tag perhaps they could move it to a standard tag, so again the info would remain there, but they wouldn't be able to scan for it like they can now.
To those who say that covering this story isn't news because it's just a cat and mouse, tit for tat thing are missing the point. This type of battle will play out many more times in the near future, but the actual choices both sides make, to me anyway, is interesting to follow.
Anyway, between sharingthegroove.org and allofmp3.com I aint got no time for iTunes store anymore anyway, and, I may actually fill up my 30GB iPod for once!
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A cop out? Give me a break... If it was software you payed for, then a response like that could be considered a cop out. With open source software you should be happy that they are already aware of the problem and working on it, or in this case, have already worked on it. This article is ridiculous, I mean if they start rushing out and releasing software overly quickly, then the same users would be complaining of bugs.
I mean nobody is happy when they realize the piece of software they are using doesn't do what they want it to, but to call it a 'cop-out' that the developers tell you that the problem is fixed and you have to be patient till a release comes out, is just being a spoiled biyatch. The author of the article says that most people use the version of software that comes with their distro anyway, so obviously they would have to wait for the patched version to become available. Those same people wouldn't be helped with an early release binary posted on the devs site. Here's a solution for the writer of the article if he has no patience, take the bull by the horns and learn to code, otherwise be happy you got a response at all, then sit back and wait, and most of all STFU!
Big Music wants to be able to call all the shots, especially in an area like price which figures so heavily into the profit equation. When they signed up with Apple the first time, they never imagined that Apple would go on to dominate the landscape in the fashion that they have. Apple currently is the one setting the prices, they don't like that, plain and simple.
nothing to see here.... keep moving
I really don't think there are many who are considering buying a mac just to install windows or linux on it. Anyway if it were linux that you want on your mac, it's already readily available, in a number of distros.
And your argument that this will "move mindshare for apple to a premium hardware supplier, not a platform supplier." Doesn't really make much sense either, because if apple does manage to gain mindshare as a premium hardware vendor, they would happily go up against Dell, as apple has much better profit margins than dell. (Remember, your argument is people already are ok with spending more for apple hardware... why would that change if over time if the mindshare that they are a premium hardware maker is growing?)
Anyway in this day of many cheap linux boxen replacing 1 expensive Sun or any of the older 'premium hardware' vendors, I don't think apple really expects to be increasing it's profit margins on the computer hardware side, the handwriting is on the wall, profit margins for computers will continue to slide. By switching to intel they will gain some economy of scale, but more importantly, if and when the profit margins on computer hardware become too slim, Apple will will already have the safety net option of just licensing OS X to Dell or HP to build boxes for them, or they could just release OS X as software only and sell it to anyone with the right x86 box.
This move to intel could hurt apple for a number of reasons, but not because people might buy the hardware to install something besides OS X on it.
The music industry is largely superfluous at this point, but unfortunately they haven't realized that yet. Unfortunately, they won't go down without a fight, and since they have made such an obscene amount of money over the years, they have the cash reserves to wage quite a war.
Vote with your dollars, go see live music. Go see that local band that has been playing at the corner bar for years. Find someone who seeks out music outside the mainstream and have them make you a mix. There is so much more out there than reaches the top 100. As digital distribution expands we will have more access to what we want, not what we are being force fed. Turn off MTV, it is the industry.
'The words of the prophet are written on studio walls'
Hey just http://www.macintouch.com/mactable.html check this page for partial list of Jack's shenanigans. This new case sounds like a good example of a legitimate copyright beef, and if it keeps another Jack Campbell rip-off from the market, more power to them.
Tiger is a really good upgrade *cough* a tad rough *cough*
.1 out quick
I hope they get
You seem to think they we, we the users, we the stockholders, we the buyers (and I'm all 3), can't ask a company for more, that we should be happy with whatever they offer. All this guy was saying is that the cooperation between apple and KHTML is basically the minimum required by the license, and people should characterize it as that.
I can understand though how you would be scared of apple 'turning on' you based on their childish actions, like pulling books because a publisher is publishing a bio of Mr Jobs that apparently he doesn't like. Now that is a good move for the stockholders how? Seems like it's using corporate muscle to squash a personal dispute. All this KHTML developer was doing was informing the general public of the state of affairs between apple and KHTML, from the KHTML perspective. I think this is a good thing, Apple has multiple channels to spread whatever message it chooses to. Where besides /. will you get to see this side of the story? If all you want is the business side of the story I humbly suggest you are browsing the wrong site.
Go look around the net, Job's comment about the G5's being at 3Ghz last summer has obviously had a lot more impact than his lame disclaimer a year later. And remember when apple introduced the dual G5's (I think it was the dual G5's) where they said on their website something akin to 'stay tuned we've got something to blow away the rumor sites predictions'. Well you can't have it both ways, trumpeting the sites when you can deliver ahead of them and bashing them when you can't. The point is apple can't expect to be able to bamboozle their buyers who are in the tech industry with marketing fluff, if they are going to target this stuff at tech savvy power users (as they are) then they better expect to have the hardware they release picked apart by those same tech savvy power users. There's nothing wrong with it, they are the same people that were very impressed at the dual G5 when it came out, they are the same ones who sang it's praises. If you are hearing a lot of mac users groan at the specs of this update don't blame the rumor sites, listen to those groans, they are your customers speaking.
- hi out, PZ
It's not bizarre if you look at it from a customer's perspective. To me saying the rumor mill is so damaging to Apple is bizarre. Do you honestly expect that Apple can manage everyone's expectations, like they work so hard to manage their image? Even if Apple manages to squash every rumor site with their 'first amendment be damned' attitude, do you think that will stop intelligent well read techies from making predictions about what apple may or may not release? Or more importantly what Apple SHOULD release based on the existing marketplace and existing/emerging technologies?
I am a long time apple user (first computer apple ][+ in 1980) but even I get surprised at their arrogance at times. If this parent poster really works at apple, it's just another case of apple blaming user expectations when in fact they aren't delivering the goods. Mr. Jobs (not a rumor site) set the bar very high when he said we would be at 3Ghz by last summer (LAST SUMMER). Yet you are blaming rumor sites for high expectations? Perhaps you should read some of the marketing claims made by apple, then do a reality check.
Don't get me wrong, these are nice machine and I may be buying a 2.3 (since that liquid cooling system scares me), but it won't be because Apple tells me it's the 'ultimate creative platform' it will be because in a few weeks some people will actually have the machines in their hands and I will be able to get some real (non-marketing fluff) information on the strengths and weaknesses.
Also, if it's a prototype, then I would say it's much more than a myth.
- hi out. PZ
are we sure at this point that Jack Campbell doesn't run CherryOS?
For an attorney to openly lie in court is not taken lightly.
well I guess I'm not naive enough to believe that attorneys don't lie daily in court, but anyway. Jesse will get involved in pretty much any cause that will get him on tv, plus as a 'man of god' himself he often crosses political borders on the religion guise.
I would have to say I consider myself libertarian myself, my beef was with your assertion that Bush has gotten a pass in the media compared to Clinton. In my observation is has been the exact opposite. Anyway, lets just go get some prostitutes and have a fun weekend.
Let me just recap this here:
You like Clinton, but you think he's a moral reprobate, who was not taken to task for the transgressions you list.
You like Bush, who apparently has never done anything wrong, and anything that anyone might think he did wrong is just suffering from the liberal bias of the media.
And you try to say your not conservative?
My point in bringing up the schiavo case was that the GOP of late has been acting like they are on some moral high ground, when in fact they are just using the religious right to hold onto power, and as they have shown, they will sell out that same religious right as soon as it is politically advantageous for them to do so.
Personally I was never a huge Clinton fan, though I did prefer him to the opposition at the time. It's only in comparison to our current administration that Clinton looks so good, and that's pretty sad.
So you like Clinton? The way it looks to me is that Clinton was assassinated on so called character and moral issues. Yet Dubya has gay prostitutes posing as reporters to lob him softball questions. This administration has put it's own intelligence officers in danger by revealing who they were solely for political gain.
Look at how this administration handled the Schiavo case, they jumped in to try and pander to the religious right, but as soon as the polls showed them it was not a popular cause they left the right to fight on it's own. How's it feel to be pimped by the GOP? ..... suckers
I think apple probably thought they had a little time before it became such common knowledge how to open and service a mac mini. Now that the cat is out of the bag, they knew they had less chance of selling the high mark up prices they were offering as many people would do it themselves or have some mac savvy friend install the upgrades. So instead of just not getting any slice of that pie, they lowered the prices to try and hold on to some of that business.
unethical but you should totally do it it's just one of those things
Long live Jack Valenti!
So we should write laws to protect corporate cronyism?
/. There would still be demand for reliable private access. Yes there would be a percentage of people who would say, well I can at least get some kind of access for free, so I won't shell out for a pay solution. But it will force business to sharpen their game and really offer a good value. I would expect the only reason somewhere like Phili has considered this is because they could do it for a reasonable cost. And that is the beauty of the technology.. why punish a community that is trying to help it's citizens to make it easier for a corporation to reach into our pockets. Face it, the US lags behind many countries in broadband connections to the people. We need to catch up. We need to PROMOTE creative uses of technology to help our citizens. We don't need more legislation to prop up outmoded business models that can't survive in the free market.
Come on, get off it. If say Philadelphia gains free wifi access your saying this will lead to programs sucking money out of your pocket? Thats ridiculous. This is just fear mongering. (ie OMG if gays marry it will ruin life on earth!)
First of all I would doubt free wifi would satisfy most readers of
From what I know of the previous agreement it would be hard to see that Apple has much of a leg to stand on, no surprise the number ($$) offerred by the Beatles lawyers to settle is going to be a big one. Especially with so many Apple Press Releases touting the number of tracks and ipods sold.
The only good that will come out of this (well aside from making Paul and Ringo a little richer) is I would imagine the previous settlement will be appended and apple will no longer have this monkey on it's back. Hopefully it will be a one time payment and not a percentage of profits going forward.
I think it was a bad idea that the developer stuck in home directory deleting facility, but I can understand where he's coming from. From what I read he quickly saw the error of his ways and removed the code. I don't think he needs to be beat up anymore over this. When you use serial numbers obtained through nefarious channels you are taking a risk, though it seems the risk is so small as to not be enough to make much of an impact.
Better toys, same game.
seriously though, if it's ok for Real to reverse engineer to create interoperability, how was it not ok for John DeCSS to reverse engineer to make linux interoperable with the DVD format?
1. What has always been illegal, should stay illegal. You should not be able to profit off others copyrighted works without properly compensating them. That being said, by extending copyright protection to protect against any reverse engineering without regard for why they might be doing it is just plain stupid. All it does is make people who are just trying to exercise their fair use rights into criminals. Crime organizations (or a slightly motivated college student) can easily circumvent (or find the information needed to circumvent) the protection. 2. Apple has played both sides of this argument (if you are to take into consideration Steve Jobs keynotes) Apple has gone after HYMN (or playfair) under the umbrella of the DMCA. Yet, Steve Jobs said when he introduced the iTunes music store, that in his pitch to the record companies he stressed that "DRM doesn't work".
To be specific though, if they somehow manage to piss off Small Dog electronics and they stop selling apples, I doubt I will buy any more macs.
I have purchased about 20 CDs from itunes music store, but was always concerned about what might happen with the tracks if apple were to get out of the music biz, my worry increased with the changes to the iTunes license in 4.5 & 4.6. I was happy to see fairplay and hymn come along. I used it to clean my tracks. I have not shared or copied anyone else's purchased music.
I thought it was an interesting decision on the hymn programmers part to keep the apple id tag in the cleaned tracks. I find it curious that apple chose to check for that to decide if a track was legit (in itunes 4.6). Perhaps this was the easiest way to check if it was a track altered by hymn, but also perhaps apple would rather have hymn go back to stripping out all info so that their legal case against hymn will be stronger. AFAIK apple has sent no cease and desist orders to the hymn developers since they got to their current home and released the version that keeps the apple id intact (if it has happened neither side has made it public).
I think hymn at this point should keep trying to take the high road (as much as is can be called a high road in this case), if possible instead of storing that apple id in a non standard tag perhaps they could move it to a standard tag, so again the info would remain there, but they wouldn't be able to scan for it like they can now.
To those who say that covering this story isn't news because it's just a cat and mouse, tit for tat thing are missing the point. This type of battle will play out many more times in the near future, but the actual choices both sides make, to me anyway, is interesting to follow.
Anyway, between sharingthegroove.org and allofmp3.com I aint got no time for iTunes store anymore anyway, and, I may actually fill up my 30GB iPod for once!