this is incorrect. Ubuntu won't run on it as it is using ARMv6 and we build for ARMv7 now. Debian would work great. If someone wants to build a derivative of Ubuntu for v6 then that would be awesome, but the official Ubuntu builds are not going to work.
You are trying to get your internet filtering installed on the wrong side of the eyeballs. It doesn't belong there, it won't work there. Give up. Put the filter in the correct place and it works for books newspapers and TV too.
Those may be fair points to make about the Unity in 10.10, however the Unity in 11.04 which is the release this article is about is totally different on a technical level as it is based on Compiz and takes much better advantage of hardware graphics acceleration. There may well be valid criticism to make of Unity in 11.04, but lets make it informed criticism about the relevant version for the article.
I blogged about it here: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/07/23/why-windows-still-has-good-sales-figures/
16:27:12 Alan Initial Question/Comment: I can't find your laptops with Ubuntu installed 16:27:23 System You are now being connected to an agent. Thank you for using Dell Chat 16:27:23 System Connected with Makrand_Karante 16:27:23 Makrand_Karante Thank you for contacting Dell sales chat. This is Makrand Karante,your Sales Advisor. In order to Help you better can you provide me with your email address and Telephone number incase we get Disconnected I can either come back to you by phone or email. 16:27:39 Alan hello 16:27:50 Alan I am looking for laptops running Ubuntu 16:27:53 Makrand_Karante Hi Alan 16:28:03 Makrand_Karante we do not have that option available yet 16:28:15 Alan oh:-( 16:28:32 Alan when will they be available, I don't want Windows at all 16:28:53 Makrand_Karante we do not have the related information here 16:29:36 Alan that is a bit of a shame, I will have to go somewhere else to get a laptop then 16:29:53 Makrand_Karante is there any thing else that I may assist you with today? 16:30:07 Alan well not really. I just wanted a laptop running Ubuntu. 16:30:19 Alan Do you have any without an operating system at all? 16:30:28 Makrand_Karante I am afraid no 16:30:36 Alan oh 16:31:23 Alan so if I want a laptop from Dell I have to buy windows 16:31:58 Makrand_Karante Yes 16:32:12 Alan ok, thanks for your help 16:32:29 Makrand_Karante Thank you for contacting Dell Sales Chat and allowing me the opportunity to assist you. Have a wonderful Day ahead. 16:33:25 System The session has ended!
Couple of updates. I am in the UK, so that was through the dell.co.uk site, I don't want one from the US because it would have the wrong keyboard and I would be stung with customs charges and it would take a long time to get here and I like instant overnight consumer gratification.
If you are tempted to go ask similar questions of the Dell online chat thing then go right ahead with the following conditions: 1) You must take a credit card out of your purse/wallet, rest it on your keyboard and be totally prepared to use it, if they find you a suitable laptop. 2) Do it once, don't repeatedly bother them. 3) Be polite and respectful, the Code of Conduct applies.
Rotate the telescope through another axis. So you have a spinning bowl and a telescope that is tumbling end over end. Sure it won't stay pointing at a particular point in the sky, it will sweep out a circular viewing path. With a slow spin (I think you just need to worry about the ratio of spin speed to tumble speed, the actual speed of both doesn't matter - but I haven't done the maths to prove this) and some fancy computer work I think the problem of it not pointing at one place might not be that big an issue. I expect you wouldn't need to enclose the scope either. So you could have a *big* bowl and a rod/axle coming out from the centre of the bowl and going to a distant collector CCD array/counterweight with the centre of mass (nearly said gravity there) of the whole thing that it will rotate about somewhere along the middle of the rod.
relational databases are great if you have a relational problem. For everything else there is NoSQL. It is surprising how much of the world's data looks like "a stack of documents" rather than "a collection of mathematically related sets of data" Lotus Notes was the only NoSQL player for 20 years, now there are lots. Notes sucked because it had no competitors, the concept was and is sound. Now there is competition and lots of NoSQL database systems and application environments on top that suck less and less by the day.
But I will anyway
vegard@gyversalen:~$ ping -i 900 10.0.3.1
PING 10.0.3.1 (10.0.3.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
it was introduced in Karmic which is an alpha distribution. It wasn't introduced without announcement to the main production users of Jaunty. It may have been introduced without announcement to the Karmic alpha, because introducing it to the alpha *is* the announcement. It was done to see if it was better, results from alpha testing may reveal it is not better, or may reveal it is better. The results of the experiment will help decide whether it should stay, or go.
Dear x,
Thank you for your response.
I have been speaking to the Product Managers for the Software and Laptops and they have both advised that we would not issue a refund on the OS.
You may return the product for a refund if you are within the time period of 28days after purchase but other then that we are not going to be issuing a refund on the OS.
The Product Manager for the laptops has been speaking to the manufacture and they have come back with the below response regarding the matter:
'It's a load of rubbish, I don't know where this rumor has come from J we started getting people asking for it on the EEE PC when we first produced the XP versions.
We get the odd person phoning up saying this to us but no one gives the cost of XP back and I can understand why they think we would.
I'm sorry we cannot help -- I have never heard of any manufacture or reseller giving the money back.'
Kind Regards,
y
Ebuyer Customer Support Team
isn't it remarkable that they started getting these requests when they did the XP eeePC! What an uncanny co-incidence.
Record last updated on 30-Jul-2009
I haven't paid for the renewal (but I am willing to if he will just put the charge on my account) or had any contact with him, but it just came back. fwiw the domain in question is the rather excellent http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/ which is all about sharing audio readings of bedtime stories. Kind of an audio YouTube for parents, but with a real business model (commission from Amazon on book sales). It has been up for a couple of years, when I get to £10 Amazon will send me a check. I think I need to get better at the dark arts of marketing stuff.
I have an email from him dated 06/07/09 10:28 relating to some of my domains hosted at uklinux.net that he let expire. Took several months of calls and emails to get a response. Still trying to sort out the situation, one of my domains has been down for about a month:-(
perhaps I could direct your attention to a fine catalog of vendors prepared to sell a PC in the natural state - start naked and free from all operating systems. For those who prefer not to pay for an unwanted proprietary operating system there are Naked Computers. If anyone sees a vendor out there with a naked system for sale please let me know. It has to be an up front option (full frontal if you prefer) not an under the counter, if you ask specially kind of deal. We are also mostly interested in complete computers, not a pile of bits, and we want a minimum order quantity of a single unit.
Microsoft are spinning this. They say that nobody senior was available, that is nonsense. The EU were sending Neelie Kroes, who is European Commissioner for Competition and about as senior as could possibly be. Microsoft got scared and ran away doing damage limitation PR on the way out.
According to the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule that is a day after the Karmic release candidate. Karmic will be released on October 29th and I don't expect slippage on that. Mark was talking about distros getting release dates aligned, I didn't expect Microsoft to be the first to respond.
I did some data visualisation stuff in a 3d grid with spheres of varying diameter and colour, skunkworks really, just for fun, and to learn some VRML. Showed it to the customer who was getting the database being visualised as a free bonus bit of functionality. They hated it with a passion and asked never to see it again. Odd reaction, but there you go.
don't go for one big system running VMs that is expensive, hot and power hungry and you can't vary the power to it. Pick a nice mini-ITX case with good fans and stick an Atom based board in it that takes a 12V DC input. Count the number of VMs you think you need, multiply by 2 and build that many. Stick half in a cupboard and fire up all the others. If you don't have enough power, don't turn them all on. I can't quite see what you need that much CPU for anyhow. How many clients will these servers be supporting?
The guardian reporters have been out in force today twittering about the G20 riots - they probably outnumbered the protesters. The technology section twitters here: http://www.twitter.com/guardiantech or it does when the fail whale isn't showing.
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It will be Debian, maybe Fedora. It won't be Ubuntu on that chip.
this is incorrect. Ubuntu won't run on it as it is using ARMv6 and we build for ARMv7 now. Debian would work great. If someone wants to build a derivative of Ubuntu for v6 then that would be awesome, but the official Ubuntu builds are not going to work.
You are trying to get your internet filtering installed on the wrong side of the eyeballs. It doesn't belong there, it won't work there. Give up. Put the filter in the correct place and it works for books newspapers and TV too.
Those may be fair points to make about the Unity in 10.10, however the Unity in 11.04 which is the release this article is about is totally different on a technical level as it is based on Compiz and takes much better advantage of hardware graphics acceleration. There may well be valid criticism to make of Unity in 11.04, but lets make it informed criticism about the relevant version for the article.
I can guarantee that the linked-in profile of the person I was talking to indicates they are a Dell employee based in India.
I blogged about it here: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/07/23/why-windows-still-has-good-sales-figures/
:-(
16:27:12 Alan Initial Question/Comment: I can't find your laptops with Ubuntu installed
16:27:23 System You are now being connected to an agent. Thank you for using Dell Chat
16:27:23 System Connected with Makrand_Karante
16:27:23 Makrand_Karante Thank you for contacting Dell sales chat. This is Makrand Karante,your Sales Advisor. In order to Help you better can you provide me with your email address and Telephone number incase we get Disconnected I can either come back to you by phone or email.
16:27:39 Alan hello
16:27:50 Alan I am looking for laptops running Ubuntu
16:27:53 Makrand_Karante Hi Alan
16:28:03 Makrand_Karante we do not have that option available yet
16:28:15 Alan oh
16:28:32 Alan when will they be available, I don't want Windows at all
16:28:53 Makrand_Karante we do not have the related information here
16:29:36 Alan that is a bit of a shame, I will have to go somewhere else to get a laptop then
16:29:53 Makrand_Karante is there any thing else that I may assist you with today?
16:30:07 Alan well not really. I just wanted a laptop running Ubuntu.
16:30:19 Alan Do you have any without an operating system at all?
16:30:28 Makrand_Karante I am afraid no
16:30:36 Alan oh
16:31:23 Alan so if I want a laptop from Dell I have to buy windows
16:31:58 Makrand_Karante Yes
16:32:12 Alan ok, thanks for your help
16:32:29 Makrand_Karante Thank you for contacting Dell Sales Chat and allowing me the opportunity to assist you. Have a wonderful Day ahead.
16:33:25 System The session has ended!
Couple of updates. I am in the UK, so that was through the dell.co.uk site, I don't want one from the US because it would have the wrong keyboard and I would be stung with customs charges and it would take a long time to get here and I like instant overnight consumer gratification.
If you are tempted to go ask similar questions of the Dell online chat thing then go right ahead with the following conditions:
1) You must take a credit card out of your purse/wallet, rest it on your keyboard and be totally prepared to use it, if they find you a suitable laptop.
2) Do it once, don't repeatedly bother them.
3) Be polite and respectful, the Code of Conduct applies.
it is also frictionless spinning and there are no moving parts in the structure. Spin it up, let it go and it should keep going for years.
Rotate the telescope through another axis. So you have a spinning bowl and a telescope that is tumbling end over end. Sure it won't stay pointing at a particular point in the sky, it will sweep out a circular viewing path. With a slow spin (I think you just need to worry about the ratio of spin speed to tumble speed, the actual speed of both doesn't matter - but I haven't done the maths to prove this) and some fancy computer work I think the problem of it not pointing at one place might not be that big an issue. I expect you wouldn't need to enclose the scope either. So you could have a *big* bowl and a rod/axle coming out from the centre of the bowl and going to a distant collector CCD array/counterweight with the centre of mass (nearly said gravity there) of the whole thing that it will rotate about somewhere along the middle of the rod.
relational databases are great if you have a relational problem. For everything else there is NoSQL. It is surprising how much of the world's data looks like "a stack of documents" rather than "a collection of mathematically related sets of data" Lotus Notes was the only NoSQL player for 20 years, now there are lots. Notes sucked because it had no competitors, the concept was and is sound. Now there is competition and lots of NoSQL database systems and application environments on top that suck less and less by the day.
But I will anyway
vegard@gyversalen:~$ ping -i 900 10.0.3.1
PING 10.0.3.1 (10.0.3.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
from http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/pinglogg.txt
this is anti-competitive and discriminates unfairly against Naked Computers
it was introduced in Karmic which is an alpha distribution. It wasn't introduced without announcement to the main production users of Jaunty. It may have been introduced without announcement to the Karmic alpha, because introducing it to the alpha *is* the announcement. It was done to see if it was better, results from alpha testing may reveal it is not better, or may reveal it is better. The results of the experiment will help decide whether it should stay, or go.
from http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/30/taxing-times-for-free-choice/:
isn't it remarkable that they started getting these requests when they did the XP eeePC! What an uncanny co-incidence.
Record last updated on 30-Jul-2009 I haven't paid for the renewal (but I am willing to if he will just put the charge on my account) or had any contact with him, but it just came back. fwiw the domain in question is the rather excellent http://www.astoryforbedtime.com/ which is all about sharing audio readings of bedtime stories. Kind of an audio YouTube for parents, but with a real business model (commission from Amazon on book sales). It has been up for a couple of years, when I get to £10 Amazon will send me a check. I think I need to get better at the dark arts of marketing stuff.
6th of July, just under a month ago sorry about the ambiguity, I just pasted from the email.
I have an email from him dated 06/07/09 10:28 relating to some of my domains hosted at uklinux.net that he let expire. Took several months of calls and emails to get a response. Still trying to sort out the situation, one of my domains has been down for about a month :-(
grr submit button too close to the preview button (PEBKAC) the link is Naked Computers
perhaps I could direct your attention to a fine catalog of vendors prepared to sell a PC in the natural state - start naked and free from all operating systems. For those who prefer not to pay for an unwanted proprietary operating system there are Naked Computers. If anyone sees a vendor out there with a naked system for sale please let me know. It has to be an up front option (full frontal if you prefer) not an under the counter, if you ask specially kind of deal. We are also mostly interested in complete computers, not a pile of bits, and we want a minimum order quantity of a single unit.
Microsoft are spinning this. They say that nobody senior was available, that is nonsense. The EU were sending Neelie Kroes, who is European Commissioner for Competition and about as senior as could possibly be. Microsoft got scared and ran away doing damage limitation PR on the way out.
According to the release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule that is a day after the Karmic release candidate. Karmic will be released on October 29th and I don't expect slippage on that. Mark was talking about distros getting release dates aligned, I didn't expect Microsoft to be the first to respond.
I did some data visualisation stuff in a 3d grid with spheres of varying diameter and colour, skunkworks really, just for fun, and to learn some VRML. Showed it to the customer who was getting the database being visualised as a free bonus bit of functionality. They hated it with a passion and asked never to see it again. Odd reaction, but there you go.
don't go for one big system running VMs that is expensive, hot and power hungry and you can't vary the power to it. Pick a nice mini-ITX case with good fans and stick an Atom based board in it that takes a 12V DC input. Count the number of VMs you think you need, multiply by 2 and build that many. Stick half in a cupboard and fire up all the others. If you don't have enough power, don't turn them all on. I can't quite see what you need that much CPU for anyhow. How many clients will these servers be supporting?
because their dealer network has pre-ordered 100 courtesy cars to be delivered in 6 months time I guess.
The guardian reporters have been out in force today twittering about the G20 riots - they probably outnumbered the protesters. The technology section twitters here: http://www.twitter.com/guardiantech or it does when the fail whale isn't showing.
RMS intentionally doesn't use the term "open". There is no confusion whatsoever. He uses the term "Free" in the freedom sense.