I dunno about you but I'm bored to death of this "raised standard of living".
I'd rather be able to afford to provide for a family and come home to a quality home life and a nice cooked meal. And have a nice classic family structure.
Or you could have today where kids in general hate their parents, parents divorce constantly, life is a blur of technological crap, no body cares about anything, we're all like a bunch of drones who are just trying to meek by hoping for the better life.
I gotta say I could do without the DVD player if it meant security in life and things I could count on. Nuke them all and let god sort them out.
I'm 20, I lost my job from the Dot Com Dot Bombs last year, I've been very self-motivated my whole life. But I gotta say this new economy is nothing but a down trodden hell. I'd like to be able to stabilize and start a family at some point, no way in hell I could bring myself to doing that when I can't be sure I'd be able to put food on the table.
Security is what raises families and provides for the next generation. Middle-Class is extremely effected by this, good times = lots of kids, bad times = much lower birth rates. Not a good prediction for the future as it shows a declining size in our numbers, mind you we live to be older but there's less of us.
The poor/unskilled sections of the economy that help to suck the life out of it are always growing in size, why? They're not educated enough to control their birth rates.
So you have a declining useful working class, and an increasing lower class... hrmm can we say an economy about to implode in the next 20 years or at least a 2nd civil war to control that population?
I think we all know something radical will happen in the next 15 - 20 years in American because of these reasons and they all tie back to this changing economy. I for one am of the firm belief this country is going to hell in a hand basket because we're utilizing foreign labor too much. Isolationism worked once to stabilize out our economy, lets do it again. It did stabilize at a lower level but it killed a free fall and provided for an economy boom time post facto.
Life is a cycle... the question is just how fast is the cyclic rate;)
Mine are up at the $1905/mo range before I eat or pay on CCs.
That includes $100/mo for my colo, and the mortgage on my condo, $225/mo for insurance -- try being 20 with 2 cars that get classified as sports cars, etc...
Oh and a condo association that thinks $200/mo in fees is sane.
Yeah it's great lets ship my jobs off so I can go broke and die of stress at the same time...
Gotta love economics nothing left for the humanity of the people in our own country.
F' foreign markets, bomb them, get back to not exporting anything of any value, it's fine to let them do sweat shop labor anything over that should not be allowed, keep it here if it's a real job.
I'm a 20yr old American White Male, I'm right there with you in those problems.
I got laid off last year, no problems at all with my work matter of fact I had finished up 8 weeks of work ahead of schedule and under budget, but oh well I was still too expensive so I got laid off.
Right now I'm about to face that situation again, even though I work 3 peoples jobs now and do insane hours just to keep enough money to pay the bills, barely making ends meat trying to survive sucks.
If the US Government doesn't put huge export restrictions on these foreign pieces of shit that are stealing our jobs another major section of American economy will crumble and be gone.
I personally think tactically nuking the eastern part of the world would greatly benefit us as there'd be no $5/hr for skilled labor available.
I guess over seas life is cheap but over here it costs money to deal with the high level of IT stress / long hours / deadlines.
We'll see the suicide rate for IT climb dramatically in the next 2 - 5 years right along with the unemployment rate as our market isn't in a down turn, it's in a boat going over to some annoying off shore companies that are ridiculous in cost.
Just a few thoughts... let's hope for some nice wars over there that will prevent them from doing work!!!! Go nuclear arms race!!!! I want to protect our salaries over here, f' the rest of the world, go America.
And I've had this same problem with discrimination about my experience level.
I was coding in HS at 14, and became involved with UNIX about 6 months later and began coding web based applications around the same time. I remember when Frames, etc... first came out, working on my 486 in DOS EDIT, working on an old 286 growing up etc...
My work has given me shit before because of age, but they quickly learn I can code and can deal with the clients directly. But they've also learned I do demand the respect of my job or I'll make it known I'm not easily disposable and that asking me to bend my personal life for business goals while attempting to step on my toes doesn't work.
I think the key is, is to make yourself indisposable and make your opinion known. If that doesn't work show the company how your personal performance is affected by their attitude.
Because innovation comes from a different mind... f'in corporate drone!!!!!
Why should I spend my time in those classes? I don't work in humanities, I don't work in social justice, I frankly could give a rats ass about the french language I mean really I'd rather be an expert in my field then an overly generalized social parasite of a dipshit destined for middle management.
Mile Wide an an Inch deep, last I checked was still the same volume as mile deep inch wide.
1 is just as good as the other in theory.... however when I've got deadlines and I want someone who understands the value of putting food on the table give me the guy who's been working longer / harder and without his degree.
I'm sorry but $60k+ to learn core concepts I learned back in high school, or can get for a few bucks in late fees at a library (ala Good Will Hunting), or google.com can locate for me.
What does school give you that the independent mind can't find, research, or reason???
School is taught by people, people taught primarily by books written by other people. The knowledge is so out of date only the most basic concepts need apply for usage today.
How many average programmers code in assembly and do binary math on a day in and day out basis?
You say your CS guy can pick up a language quicker... hrmm riiiigggghhhhhttttt. And he's going to learn it quicker based on all that real world experience eh? Whoops no he''s going to be totally out of place if that new language doesn't follow the syntax of the book he read last semester.
I like most REAL PROGRAMMERS understand that this industry is written and developed by those of more independent and self-deterministic thought then by a bunch of whiny kids from college.
College kids are useless, give me 5 College CS Grads vs the Coder out of his garage that's runniing short on money for food because his parents don't support him anymore. The Coder will out do the college kids and if not probably has enough arms experience to kill them and erradicate the problem;)
Get real get me a compiler and some caffeine... or some Vodka;)
I know tons of programmers that function way better at doing THEIR JOB who are the most anti-social down in the hole people you could ever meet.
They do well, all you need is 1 good lead programmer or manager that communicates mostly between them and the client and you have much greater productivity then a bunch of the college twits.
As we all know a "well-rounded education" has to detract from one area to fill in all that fluff, too bad that one area is the area you're going for a degree in.
People with degrees command no respect from those that do, they command respect from those with no clue.
I too have no degree and am the best programmer according to my bosses our company has ever had, after 2 months I was moved to lead programmer.
I'm 20 and I did 1 year of college.... no challenge at all to it, their Seniors were useless drones, I might get a degree some day if someone else pays for it.
Otherwise I'll save my pennies for that Lamborghini I've always wanted;)
I think it'd be a great move for Apple to acquire Sun Microsystems.
You figure Sun is a Niche, Apple is a Niche, 2 Niche's = decent Market Share, steal a little more from Linux / BSD, maybe buy up some of the IP from Curusoe when it goes under and we've got a MS Killer on our hands;)
If Apple can control it's current growth into OS X and then acquire new markets it could really stage a comeback. If only I had bought stock a year ago when I had money... now a days too in debt to buy anything except more friggin car parts;)
I have the opposite problem, I take usually 1/2 - 1/3rd of the time to get it done thats estimated... but my company has been doing straight billable hours for me, and have decided to f' me after 8 weeks of doing 3 people's jobs in 20hrs/wk and now to keep my job had to agree to 16 weeks of 50hr weeks at same money.
Shitty market... maybe I should keep my eyes open anyways, I really love monday mornings.
And as you run away... we'll teach you lesson #9:
Shoot the hippie in the back of the head with a.223 or a.308, and rejoice in the fact another useless lump of crap has been killed off.
Get real kid, war & violence are a reality, we can't help it if you were born without the balls to stand up and defend your country and the beliefs therein of it.
"Love it or leave it"
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If we peacefully protest... we'll sit back and watch the rest of our country either move into a state of fear or a state of burning rubble.
I for one would rather grab a friggin gun and start shooting them first.
"Kill or be Killed."
If you love Bin Ladin so much, GO JOIN HIM IN A PROTEST IN AFGHANISTAN.
I wouldn't mind just seeing oh Israel and Egypt being 2 big countries, next to the world largest sheet of glass perfect for setting new land speed records.
Maybe turn it into nice condo's for old people or a resort area after the radiation dies off?
Lets get real here, most of these countries matter in a global scale as far as their violence can spread and nothing more, whens the last time you used a new innovation that came outta Afghanistan? What the latest how to build your own cave manual or what?
You wonder why we have no problem calling these things collateral damage?
Because they don't matter to us, if they'd stay out of our business we'd stay out of theirs, well they stepped across the line, so it's time to expand that line by painting over these useless shits.
Big problem: not enough of skin in the flick ;)
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We really didn't get to see much of anything, for all those skanky women in the film they really could have done more with them;)
You state that people with a degree are smarter then those without?
Riiiigggghhhhtttt.... and you've been watching MTV you're whole life? and you believe the government has your best interests at heart?
Let's get real here, I deal with Educated twits every day of my life, people who have their bachelor's degree, people who are in college for various things, people who are book taught not experience or self taught. It's funny my time estimates on projects are about 1/5th of theirs, they come to work @ 7am work hard all day till 6pm and are stressed to hell and back.
I go in around 10am (sometimes 9am when needed), on average I work till 4:30pm or so, my stress level from work is low and not overly worried about it. I get more done and am simultaneously working on more projects then the rest. My theories on how to program and get things done come from working and trying to make a good bottom line to provide food for my own table, not from a college professor stating that "Global Variables are Satan's Evil work... avoid them!", no matter the case if they can be useful at times, blindly avoiding solutions for practice.
I see people who go to College to gain knowledge in something as people who couldn't hack it on their own and learn from themselves, they had to be spoon fed their thought processes.
Yes I did go to college for 1 year, I was sitting in classes with CS seniors bored to death with 0 challenge (I had 1 course that was challenging), and I saw how unprepared they were for the real world as I was working constantly from my dorm to pay for life.
Learning to do things myself and to reason out why they work is what has given me an edge over these so called more intelligent college grads.
It's funny how I get things done in life... while the college grad is still sucking his proverbial thumb trying waiting for the professor to tell him the answer.
Get a clue... get some ambition not a college education. When I have kids they'll go to College if they want to, I won't restrict them, but by that time they'll probably be long since bored with waiting for the slow pace of the American education system like most of us that are productive members of society.
Life is a challenge, learn to manage it or learn to master it.
I'm a lot of the same way but I went to Computers for money and the fact I hated that well rounded liberal arts bs at college.
I'm a very analytical / logical thinker, I do well at math when it's things like linear algebra etc... but things that make 0 sense like higher math I can't correlate to, but I bet I can code something to solve it for me;)
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And I take it you believe Communism was completely bad?
Here's a shocker for you, American democratic system has a lot of Communistic ideals in it.
Welfare? Medicare?
Or look at Canada, nationalised health care?
Hrmm yup thats communism right there, providing for society by society not by individual self-worth/achievement.
I dunno about you but I'm bored to death of this "raised standard of living".
I'd rather be able to afford to provide for a family and come home to a quality home life and a nice cooked meal. And have a nice classic family structure.
Or you could have today where kids in general hate their parents, parents divorce constantly, life is a blur of technological crap, no body cares about anything, we're all like a bunch of drones who are just trying to meek by hoping for the better life.
I gotta say I could do without the DVD player if it meant security in life and things I could count on. Nuke them all and let god sort them out.
I'm 20, I lost my job from the Dot Com Dot Bombs last year, I've been very self-motivated my whole life. But I gotta say this new economy is nothing but a down trodden hell. I'd like to be able to stabilize and start a family at some point, no way in hell I could bring myself to doing that when I can't be sure I'd be able to put food on the table.
;)
Security is what raises families and provides for the next generation. Middle-Class is extremely effected by this, good times = lots of kids, bad times = much lower birth rates. Not a good prediction for the future as it shows a declining size in our numbers, mind you we live to be older but there's less of us.
The poor/unskilled sections of the economy that help to suck the life out of it are always growing in size, why? They're not educated enough to control their birth rates.
So you have a declining useful working class, and an increasing lower class... hrmm can we say an economy about to implode in the next 20 years or at least a 2nd civil war to control that population?
I think we all know something radical will happen in the next 15 - 20 years in American because of these reasons and they all tie back to this changing economy. I for one am of the firm belief this country is going to hell in a hand basket because we're utilizing foreign labor too much. Isolationism worked once to stabilize out our economy, lets do it again. It did stabilize at a lower level but it killed a free fall and provided for an economy boom time post facto.
Life is a cycle... the question is just how fast is the cyclic rate
ROFL,
You call those expenses?
Mine are up at the $1905/mo range before I eat or pay on CCs.
That includes $100/mo for my colo, and the mortgage on my condo, $225/mo for insurance -- try being 20 with 2 cars that get classified as sports cars, etc...
Oh and a condo association that thinks $200/mo in fees is sane.
I back Ralph here 110%!!!!!
Isolationism is a good policy, starve the rest of the world down and protect our American interests.
Don't raise their standards if it means lowering ours even 1%, it's not worth it.
India provides nothing back to our economy, it's too much of a risk to move production / development overseas.
Skills & Labor belong in the US, crap jobs and puppet governments belong over there.
F'in hippy....
Yeah it's great lets ship my jobs off so I can go broke and die of stress at the same time...
Gotta love economics nothing left for the humanity of the people in our own country.
F' foreign markets, bomb them, get back to not exporting anything of any value, it's fine to let them do sweat shop labor anything over that should not be allowed, keep it here if it's a real job.
I'm a 20yr old American White Male, I'm right there with you in those problems.
I got laid off last year, no problems at all with my work matter of fact I had finished up 8 weeks of work ahead of schedule and under budget, but oh well I was still too expensive so I got laid off.
Right now I'm about to face that situation again, even though I work 3 peoples jobs now and do insane hours just to keep enough money to pay the bills, barely making ends meat trying to survive sucks.
If the US Government doesn't put huge export restrictions on these foreign pieces of shit that are stealing our jobs another major section of American economy will crumble and be gone.
I personally think tactically nuking the eastern part of the world would greatly benefit us as there'd be no $5/hr for skilled labor available.
I guess over seas life is cheap but over here it costs money to deal with the high level of IT stress / long hours / deadlines.
We'll see the suicide rate for IT climb dramatically in the next 2 - 5 years right along with the unemployment rate as our market isn't in a down turn, it's in a boat going over to some annoying off shore companies that are ridiculous in cost.
Just a few thoughts... let's hope for some nice wars over there that will prevent them from doing work!!!! Go nuclear arms race!!!! I want to protect our salaries over here, f' the rest of the world, go America.
I'm 20, will be 21 in 6 months.
And I've had this same problem with discrimination about my experience level.
I was coding in HS at 14, and became involved with UNIX about 6 months later and began coding web based applications around the same time. I remember when Frames, etc... first came out, working on my 486 in DOS EDIT, working on an old 286 growing up etc...
My work has given me shit before because of age, but they quickly learn I can code and can deal with the clients directly. But they've also learned I do demand the respect of my job or I'll make it known I'm not easily disposable and that asking me to bend my personal life for business goals while attempting to step on my toes doesn't work.
I think the key is, is to make yourself indisposable and make your opinion known. If that doesn't work show the company how your personal performance is affected by their attitude.
"A good 4 year college will teach how to think for yourself."
;)
Show me this college grad... I think I'll have a heart attack.
Colleges don't teach anything about self-thought, they teach learn from this guy to do it his way as you are not capable of thinking.
None of the greatest minds of this centurty were college people, heh imagine that the smart ones avoided the institution
"why should you be any different?"
Because innovation comes from a different mind... f'in corporate drone!!!!!
Why should I spend my time in those classes? I don't work in humanities, I don't work in social justice, I frankly could give a rats ass about the french language I mean really I'd rather be an expert in my field then an overly generalized social parasite of a dipshit destined for middle management.
Mile Wide an an Inch deep, last I checked was still the same volume as mile deep inch wide.
;)
;)
1 is just as good as the other in theory.... however when I've got deadlines and I want someone who understands the value of putting food on the table give me the guy who's been working longer / harder and without his degree.
I'm sorry but $60k+ to learn core concepts I learned back in high school, or can get for a few bucks in late fees at a library (ala Good Will Hunting), or google.com can locate for me.
What does school give you that the independent mind can't find, research, or reason???
School is taught by people, people taught primarily by books written by other people. The knowledge is so out of date only the most basic concepts need apply for usage today.
How many average programmers code in assembly and do binary math on a day in and day out basis?
You say your CS guy can pick up a language quicker... hrmm riiiigggghhhhhttttt. And he's going to learn it quicker based on all that real world experience eh? Whoops no he''s going to be totally out of place if that new language doesn't follow the syntax of the book he read last semester.
I like most REAL PROGRAMMERS understand that this industry is written and developed by those of more independent and self-deterministic thought then by a bunch of whiny kids from college.
College kids are useless, give me 5 College CS Grads vs the Coder out of his garage that's runniing short on money for food because his parents don't support him anymore. The Coder will out do the college kids and if not probably has enough arms experience to kill them and erradicate the problem
Get real get me a compiler and some caffeine... or some Vodka
Crack baby.....
;)
I know tons of programmers that function way better at doing THEIR JOB who are the most anti-social down in the hole people you could ever meet.
They do well, all you need is 1 good lead programmer or manager that communicates mostly between them and the client and you have much greater productivity then a bunch of the college twits.
As we all know a "well-rounded education" has to detract from one area to fill in all that fluff, too bad that one area is the area you're going for a degree in.
People with degrees command no respect from those that do, they command respect from those with no clue.
I too have no degree and am the best programmer according to my bosses our company has ever had, after 2 months I was moved to lead programmer.
I'm 20 and I did 1 year of college.... no challenge at all to it, their Seniors were useless drones, I might get a degree some day if someone else pays for it.
Otherwise I'll save my pennies for that Lamborghini I've always wanted
I think it'd be a great move for Apple to acquire Sun Microsystems.
;)
;)
You figure Sun is a Niche, Apple is a Niche, 2 Niche's = decent Market Share, steal a little more from Linux / BSD, maybe buy up some of the IP from Curusoe when it goes under and we've got a MS Killer on our hands
If Apple can control it's current growth into OS X and then acquire new markets it could really stage a comeback. If only I had bought stock a year ago when I had money... now a days too in debt to buy anything except more friggin car parts
And where pray tell are you making $500k/yr and can't utilize the unix command line?
;)
I'm sorry but if you can't even pico your HTML you aren't a designer you're a queer with a mouse
And who had GeForce 3's first????
Yup that was Mac, months earlier....
Apple has made some major strides to start to fix these core problems, and I think they are on the right track.
Just don't put a super unstable Audigy or Live into them, or a Creative DVD Player god no!!!!
Heh, great products if only they were stable and had drivers anywhere near close to the hardware quality.
The PC to Real Life translator brought this out of your statement:
I'd rather hire 5 people from India @ $1.97/hr to do my work then pay 1 White guy enough to buy groceries on.
Get real Alan Cox could take on a team of your well-communicating India people.
Umm can we say it was boring, shitty gfx (everything pales in comparison to max payne), and the plot line was gay.
I beat the whole game in about 8 hours.
You're nuts, you aren't allowed to like your job...
I work 19.5 before I start bs'ing and I hate every minute of it
I have the opposite problem, I take usually 1/2 - 1/3rd of the time to get it done thats estimated... but my company has been doing straight billable hours for me, and have decided to f' me after 8 weeks of doing 3 people's jobs in 20hrs/wk and now to keep my job had to agree to 16 weeks of 50hr weeks at same money.
Shitty market... maybe I should keep my eyes open anyways, I really love monday mornings.
And as you run away... we'll teach you lesson #9: .223 or a .308, and rejoice in the fact another useless lump of crap has been killed off.
Shoot the hippie in the back of the head with a
Get real kid, war & violence are a reality, we can't help it if you were born without the balls to stand up and defend your country and the beliefs therein of it.
"Love it or leave it"
====
If we peacefully protest... we'll sit back and watch the rest of our country either move into a state of fear or a state of burning rubble.
I for one would rather grab a friggin gun and start shooting them first.
"Kill or be Killed."
If you love Bin Ladin so much, GO JOIN HIM IN A PROTEST IN AFGHANISTAN.
Would you really miss the middle-east?
I wouldn't mind just seeing oh Israel and Egypt being 2 big countries, next to the world largest sheet of glass perfect for setting new land speed records.
Maybe turn it into nice condo's for old people or a resort area after the radiation dies off?
Lets get real here, most of these countries matter in a global scale as far as their violence can spread and nothing more, whens the last time you used a new innovation that came outta Afghanistan? What the latest how to build your own cave manual or what?
As the list of targets grows.....
You wonder why we have no problem calling these things collateral damage?
Because they don't matter to us, if they'd stay out of our business we'd stay out of theirs, well they stepped across the line, so it's time to expand that line by painting over these useless shits.
We really didn't get to see much of anything, for all those skanky women in the film they really could have done more with them ;)
I take the totally opposite viewpoint of yours.
You state that people with a degree are smarter then those without?
Riiiigggghhhhtttt.... and you've been watching MTV you're whole life? and you believe the government has your best interests at heart?
Let's get real here, I deal with Educated twits every day of my life, people who have their bachelor's degree, people who are in college for various things, people who are book taught not experience or self taught. It's funny my time estimates on projects are about 1/5th of theirs, they come to work @ 7am work hard all day till 6pm and are stressed to hell and back.
I go in around 10am (sometimes 9am when needed), on average I work till 4:30pm or so, my stress level from work is low and not overly worried about it. I get more done and am simultaneously working on more projects then the rest. My theories on how to program and get things done come from working and trying to make a good bottom line to provide food for my own table, not from a college professor stating that "Global Variables are Satan's Evil work... avoid them!", no matter the case if they can be useful at times, blindly avoiding solutions for practice.
I see people who go to College to gain knowledge in something as people who couldn't hack it on their own and learn from themselves, they had to be spoon fed their thought processes.
Yes I did go to college for 1 year, I was sitting in classes with CS seniors bored to death with 0 challenge (I had 1 course that was challenging), and I saw how unprepared they were for the real world as I was working constantly from my dorm to pay for life.
Learning to do things myself and to reason out why they work is what has given me an edge over these so called more intelligent college grads.
It's funny how I get things done in life... while the college grad is still sucking his proverbial thumb trying waiting for the professor to tell him the answer.
Get a clue... get some ambition not a college education. When I have kids they'll go to College if they want to, I won't restrict them, but by that time they'll probably be long since bored with waiting for the slow pace of the American education system like most of us that are productive members of society.
Life is a challenge, learn to manage it or learn to master it.
I'm a lot of the same way but I went to Computers for money and the fact I hated that well rounded liberal arts bs at college.
;)
I'm a very analytical / logical thinker, I do well at math when it's things like linear algebra etc... but things that make 0 sense like higher math I can't correlate to, but I bet I can code something to solve it for me