I'll agree with you I'm not a huge fan of the KKK myself either...
What a group that went to hell..... when's the last time these boys burned/hanged anything? Common get the lead out.... and expand your horizons... Osama aint black but you can hang him if ya want;)
Find the biggest moron willing to stand on the most rickety setup just waiting to bust his neck... and have him remove 1 out of every 2 light bar thingies;)
Worked great... could still see the nice rack on our IT director (yes she definately appeared hired for her silicon manipulation skills;P)
and we could still see the DVD player just fine;P
That job was great, give me work on thursday morning... look at it after I finish my 2 hour lunch... finish it before I go home... and then I had nothing to do till the following thursday so it was jigzone.com, DVDs, and of course the BBC World streaming through quicktime at lunch;)
How much fun is it to drive a manager nuts as they know firing you would be a waste of time as all the work is done but 6 days a week you're paid to do nothing;)
Myst? It was retarded, boring as hell, and frankly probably school teacher endorsed due to it's utter lack of excitement.
Quit playing with Magic cards and grow some nuts man. These games by ID are what make Lan Parties so much fun, and are about the only thing that actually get geeks together socially, which is a bit of a challenge these days.
This is why we don't use PHP in a production environment...
BAD ERROR TRAPPING
and a language coded by little haxor wanna-be's with no real background in it, they did a decent job for a weekend hack but not a real language at all.
Somebody skipped the class on the OSI model.
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I agree!
No reason a host nation should be left standing...
Melt some sand and the freaks with RPGs standing on top of that sand.
We have a whole list of countries to remove, lets get started.
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I see no reason not to blame them... ship them all back.... strapped with nuclear war heads... I mean really why waste gas on flying over the war heads by them selves, slap a couple of them on board with it
I didn't even have my racing car out last night...
Just my 2000 Mercury Cougar V-6...
Pull up next to a friggin yellow civic with neon lights on the inside, gfx kit, hydraulics, annoying exhaust, thinks he's all bad ass, I give him the sign and he ducts in behind me (MORON), as we begin to race he decides to play stupid and try staying as close to my ass as possible even with lanes on each side open...
I of course decided to ye ol' brake check his ass, I just started when I remembered I had 2 other people in the car (1 in backseat) so I decided ricer here prolly doesn't have enough brakes to deal with my 4-wheel disc abs @ 90mph;)
Scared the piss outta the ricer who can't drive at all;)
If only I had had my '88 Corvette with me, I coulda had some serious fun but I was out shopping... why oh why can't u ricer f's show up when I'm in the good car, it's not as much fun spanking you guys with my beater car...
I'm a 19yr old coder.
This past August - October I worked for Aurora Casket for 2 months without contract. They paid me my first 2 weeks pay in a company check right on time. So I assumed no problems and as the project was so short on time I figured 0 problem to finish it out and pick up a final check after everything was done.
Well the goals kept changing, the specs kept changing, and many new issues popp'd up through dev. I did the best as was humanly possible while doing this job and working 2 days a week at a different company. I stayed up all night several nights in a row working on the project.
Come game time and the basics were done, 5 things on my list weren't and in that time they finally found someone locally who'd work cheap and came on full time to replace me when I was done.
During this time management thought things out and changed their ideas, decided to screw me over/drop my code/not pay me, and have this new kid start over with a better well thought out idea.
End of year I had to pay taxes on that first bit of money they gave me ($2500), meanwhile being shorted the $10,000 they still owed me for all my other hours work.
I don't have the grounds to fight them in court and by that point I was so screwed for cash there was no way I could afford to. 2 days a week pay doesn't leave much left over.
That taught me a painful lesson, I still don't typically work under contract but I demand regular payments and refuse to work if a bill is over 2 weeks overdue.
Is there any place I can find cookie cutter IT contracts online that I could start using to protect myself?
Anywhere to find advice about tax laws etc...?
I'm a coder not a tax man / lawyer, and a site with info to help out us naive so to speak would be great.
My new employer (starting monday) required it as they want to use it for server side stuff that you might not even realize is being used on sites.
Java is great for server side / backend development where the portability and robustness are what make it usefull. Java Servlets / JSP are pretty sweet.
Anyone that suggests/condones PHP really needs to reevaluate that language, it's a little hack done with very bad error handling routines and very little innovation. It does the same thing as Perl Routines I've used for years do of parsing pages, then uses a munged up wanna be perl/c mix to do the actual coding. ASP/PHP/JSP all serve the same goals, but I can live with JSP due to how it's a component that can work with Beans/Servlets to get some serious work done with great ease, PHP just bites, and ASP well it's ASP we have to have a basic language for all the VB script kiddies to play on the web with don't we?
maybe you haven't contracted enough to realize, you don't get a new project back to back that is a choice one like this and there is no reason to strees myself out and work like a dog to finish something when I receive nothing but less payment, my consulting firm looks good which makes me look good but that then begs the question why are they paying so much if it is so easy it took so little time? How about unrealistic expectations for future projects when say I hit problems that do take a month to fix and my firm signed me in for a 2 week timeframe when 2 months would be necessary.
I'd rather make a short term profit, fit in their time frame or less and not over work myself.
PS: Posting as an AC, wtf ru afraid of?
Am I the only one that has it easy????
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I'm 18, a college drop out, a big FU out to Miami University in Ohio for wasting 15k of my money on that 1 year there.
I code as a consultant for a consulting firm positioned at Proctor and Gamble for 40hrs a week @ $24 an hour. I run a hosting server that makes a small profit, I do all the database/coding for all my hosting clients. I have several large clients that I code for at $40 an hour, I've probably made 30k+ from independant work alone in less then a year doing this shit.
When I decided to drop out of college I put my resume up on monster.com, the next morning at quarter till 8 my phone started ringing, I was still living away at college and had to drive back for interviews but I had 20+ companies call me and I spent my time reading up on the companies picking and choosing where to work at. Bottom line is I had massive opportunities and chose the place to bulk my resume for shitty pay ($24/hr aint great but it aint beans) at Proctor and Gamble.
I'm a Perl Coder who loves Linux w/MySQL databases, who's had no problem finding work.
I got bored of coding years ago (I'm self taught all through high school), but decided that the only way I was going to make a fortune doing little work is coding. There is nothing easier in the world then this shit.
I made $2k this weekend doing a database application for a client that took me 20 mins because I wrote a program to design all my database systems that is 100% templatized. Writing the program that wrote it took me less then 4 hours, granted it's not perfect yet, but it did the basic job that gets me the check while I work on improving it with each new client that uses it.
I wonder how you all end up working 80hrs/week, what the hell ru coding that takes so long and is so complicated that it requires this?
On a side topic, why is there such support behind the evil satan language of java? Perl has interpretters for nearly every architecture out there, thats what I call portability and speed, java is a great concept but show me native speed on every platform not horrible speed on every platform and no native speed on anything.
Just my ranting and raving, I personally doubt i'll be able to still type at age 50, my hands already hurt at age 18 (19 next month), and I've only been heavily typing since I was 14.
I think physically we'll all be half dead before we hit retirement and spend those hard earned fortunes on laser surgery, anyone invent something to fix my vision yet? I'll be blind within 3 years I predict so hurry up with brail monitors:P
You knows whats really fucking funny? I'm coding Perl at Proctor & Gamble in Cincinnati, let me tell you they don't know shit about technology there:P
The project they gave me, they gave me 6 months to do it as an outside contractor. I could finish this whole project is less then a week without breaking a sweat.
Last week I worked 30mins out of the 40 hours, and at $24/hr I don't mind sitting on IRC for 6 hours a day, 1 hour for lunch, and the rest is just time killed elsewhere.
There are many companies that are clueless, but I work for P&G during the day and basically double my income by doing remote contracting work / running a web hosting company, I hate working/coding but I spend all my money if I don't work, so it's 60+ hrs a week or go broke on ebay buying useless shit I don't need.
PS: anyone wanna buy a few motherboards that I don't know what do or a 8port 100base hub or a few other spare parts? I've got tons I've bought for no reason.
Play me, then. Hehe I usually take on 5 people at once and I don't even like Q3:A. I'll show you who's the screaming hormone enhanced adolescent loser.
Do you like the rockets red glare flaming from your new asshole?
I've worked for a company for several months with the done yesterday style of working. MySQL kept pace perfectl fine and dandy with 0 problems till 1 day it started problems, lets just say it's never the same again:P Once MySQL dies once, MOVE ON! heh the war isn't worth it, I fought with that thing daily for 2 weeks trying to keep it stable, it's been up almost 5 days now(well besides a few corrupt tables).
My advice is, take your current data, and enter it in 4 times, (quadroupling the database size), if it still runs quickly then start doing alot of deletions/reinstertions of the data while trying to do a few selects, if that don't break it, I wouldn't worry about it, if it does your SOL, I don't know the specifics of your situation but try that, and learn the syntax and use myisamchk and isamchk now before it dies, you'll be glad you did.
I feel your pain on that one. I've had several weeks of pure hell with MySQL when I got past the "standard" simple tables with nothing special at all in them and got into grouping from several databases, summing columns, and so on. I've had hanging problems, index corruption, all kinds of lovely items popping up, I update to the latest mysql code every couple of days and it usually helps but some more usefull logs would be nice, MySQL's basic logs really bite.
Recompiling the code by rebuilding the rpm seemed to help us out quite alot and gave more stability. It's a fighting battle with MySQL on the higher end stuff.
On implementation and use it couldn't be easier to deal with and I love it for smaller/quicker projects, but a full database is definately needed if you have a large well funded project, but MySQL is great for normal everyday operations.
Just watch out how complex u get, you will confuse and toast little MySQL.
MySQL is great for speed as long as your small, I haven't seen it run worth a darn on 700,000 records with any decent speed, it really needs some more work on the high-end optimization. But as long as you're willing to optimize everything to death MySQL provides incredibly speedy results.
The ads you can turn off:P exit your little bootable cdrom crap to a msdos prompt and do setup/? gee look at that you can skip the registry checks, the disk checks, the ads, and all kinds of things. Never woulda guessed it but, (linux) --help =/? (windows)
Bob Not Bob, if you aint confused yet, then you're doing something wrong
8 months ago I bought a p233 w/mmx with 32 megs of ram, '95, 3gig hd for $900 off of ubid. It's not bad, but I'm selling it off now for $600, I don't use it anymore, I got a better job and don't do tech anymore:P It was only usefull then when I had a t3 to jack into to exploit the bandwith of off my laptop, the nic card I got as much as I paid for it back when I sold it recently also.
Laptops are somewhat nice, but really they're damn near useless in every day work for me, but when I worked tech it was great to bring my own comp and not deal with a shared pc(yuck). But when the servers you work on are several hundred miles a way whats the point? I don't really need to check my email in the car, come on now lets get serious whats the point?
You people are overreacting to a bottom of the line pos wanna-be laptop, true it's nice and thin but no mussle. I bet you own a webphone don't ya, come on now admit it you spent that extra money to get 3 lines of yahoo! on your phone. We need a slashdot pda, one that has only 4 functions: 1. read slashdot.org 2. check stock quotes 3. telnet 4. mp3 player with a huge battery life of a week or more, running a curosoe.
When are they going to make some decent batteries? Maybe I should just carry a gasoline generator and plug the ac adaptor into it? I love that 2 ~ 3 hour battery life my lappy packed without power saving modes.
I go to a University for CS, and frankly there are hardly any women in the courses, and fewer as you get later in the years. I have to think this causes pressure for them along with the problems of the courses themselves.
Also with the culture of it all, how many girls do you know that spend their high school life hanging out on irc playing with eggdrop bots and the latest cvs trees of anything, if you know of some I'm pretty shocked but they're probably real good lookers:P
Don't you just love being out on the weekend in the middle of doing something and the cell phone goes off, "Somethings wrong with the database!@#@!#!" "What kind of something?" "I dunno but its all gone to hell fix it NOW!" "Ok Ok", go back or bust out the laptop to find out the problem is they had their caps lock on while trying to login.
Anyway we can bill from the social stress it causes by the fact we can't be totally smashed out of our minds 24/7 on weekends like the rest of America because we got clients or bosses that will call at 9am on a saturday?
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I'll agree with you I'm not a huge fan of the KKK myself either...
;)
What a group that went to hell..... when's the last time these boys burned/hanged anything? Common get the lead out.... and expand your horizons... Osama aint black but you can hang him if ya want
At the dot com we found the solution to this....
;)
;P)
;P
;)
;)
Find the biggest moron willing to stand on the most rickety setup just waiting to bust his neck... and have him remove 1 out of every 2 light bar thingies
Worked great... could still see the nice rack on our IT director (yes she definately appeared hired for her silicon manipulation skills
and we could still see the DVD player just fine
That job was great, give me work on thursday morning... look at it after I finish my 2 hour lunch... finish it before I go home... and then I had nothing to do till the following thursday so it was jigzone.com, DVDs, and of course the BBC World streaming through quicktime at lunch
How much fun is it to drive a manager nuts as they know firing you would be a waste of time as all the work is done but 6 days a week you're paid to do nothing
What the hell are you thinking?
Myst? It was retarded, boring as hell, and frankly probably school teacher endorsed due to it's utter lack of excitement.
Quit playing with Magic cards and grow some nuts man. These games by ID are what make Lan Parties so much fun, and are about the only thing that actually get geeks together socially, which is a bit of a challenge these days.
This is why we don't use PHP in a production environment...
BAD ERROR TRAPPING
and a language coded by little haxor wanna-be's with no real background in it, they did a decent job for a weekend hack but not a real language at all.
Somebody skipped the class on the OSI model.
I agree!
No reason a host nation should be left standing...
Melt some sand and the freaks with RPGs standing on top of that sand.
We have a whole list of countries to remove, lets get started.
I see no reason not to blame them... ship them all back.... strapped with nuclear war heads... I mean really why waste gas on flying over the war heads by them selves, slap a couple of them on board with it
Amen!
If they want to play games, we'll show them how American's play games, "We've got the Bombs!!!"
Lets nuke some fucking sand!
Ricers... get a life ;)
;)
;)
I didn't even have my racing car out last night...
Just my 2000 Mercury Cougar V-6...
Pull up next to a friggin yellow civic with neon lights on the inside, gfx kit, hydraulics, annoying exhaust, thinks he's all bad ass, I give him the sign and he ducts in behind me (MORON), as we begin to race he decides to play stupid and try staying as close to my ass as possible even with lanes on each side open...
I of course decided to ye ol' brake check his ass, I just started when I remembered I had 2 other people in the car (1 in backseat) so I decided ricer here prolly doesn't have enough brakes to deal with my 4-wheel disc abs @ 90mph
Scared the piss outta the ricer who can't drive at all
If only I had had my '88 Corvette with me, I coulda had some serious fun but I was out shopping... why oh why can't u ricer f's show up when I'm in the good car, it's not as much fun spanking you guys with my beater car...
The business world is extremely evil.
I'm a 19yr old coder.
This past August - October I worked for Aurora Casket for 2 months without contract. They paid me my first 2 weeks pay in a company check right on time. So I assumed no problems and as the project was so short on time I figured 0 problem to finish it out and pick up a final check after everything was done.
Well the goals kept changing, the specs kept changing, and many new issues popp'd up through dev. I did the best as was humanly possible while doing this job and working 2 days a week at a different company. I stayed up all night several nights in a row working on the project.
Come game time and the basics were done, 5 things on my list weren't and in that time they finally found someone locally who'd work cheap and came on full time to replace me when I was done.
During this time management thought things out and changed their ideas, decided to screw me over/drop my code/not pay me, and have this new kid start over with a better well thought out idea.
End of year I had to pay taxes on that first bit of money they gave me ($2500), meanwhile being shorted the $10,000 they still owed me for all my other hours work.
I don't have the grounds to fight them in court and by that point I was so screwed for cash there was no way I could afford to. 2 days a week pay doesn't leave much left over.
That taught me a painful lesson, I still don't typically work under contract but I demand regular payments and refuse to work if a bill is over 2 weeks overdue.
Is there any place I can find cookie cutter IT contracts online that I could start using to protect myself?
Anywhere to find advice about tax laws etc...?
I'm a coder not a tax man / lawyer, and a site with info to help out us naive so to speak would be great.
Why linux on a pda? PalmOS is better suited for this app.
My new employer (starting monday) required it as they want to use it for server side stuff that you might not even realize is being used on sites.
Java is great for server side / backend development where the portability and robustness are what make it usefull. Java Servlets / JSP are pretty sweet.
Anyone that suggests/condones PHP really needs to reevaluate that language, it's a little hack done with very bad error handling routines and very little innovation. It does the same thing as Perl Routines I've used for years do of parsing pages, then uses a munged up wanna be perl/c mix to do the actual coding. ASP/PHP/JSP all serve the same goals, but I can live with JSP due to how it's a component that can work with Beans/Servlets to get some serious work done with great ease, PHP just bites, and ASP well it's ASP we have to have a basic language for all the VB script kiddies to play on the web with don't we?
maybe you haven't contracted enough to realize, you don't get a new project back to back that is a choice one like this and there is no reason to strees myself out and work like a dog to finish something when I receive nothing but less payment, my consulting firm looks good which makes me look good but that then begs the question why are they paying so much if it is so easy it took so little time? How about unrealistic expectations for future projects when say I hit problems that do take a month to fix and my firm signed me in for a 2 week timeframe when 2 months would be necessary.
I'd rather make a short term profit, fit in their time frame or less and not over work myself.
PS: Posting as an AC, wtf ru afraid of?
I'm 18, a college drop out, a big FU out to Miami University in Ohio for wasting 15k of my money on that 1 year there.
:P
I code as a consultant for a consulting firm positioned at Proctor and Gamble for 40hrs a week @ $24 an hour. I run a hosting server that makes a small profit, I do all the database/coding for all my hosting clients. I have several large clients that I code for at $40 an hour, I've probably made 30k+ from independant work alone in less then a year doing this shit.
When I decided to drop out of college I put my resume up on monster.com, the next morning at quarter till 8 my phone started ringing, I was still living away at college and had to drive back for interviews but I had 20+ companies call me and I spent my time reading up on the companies picking and choosing where to work at. Bottom line is I had massive opportunities and chose the place to bulk my resume for shitty pay ($24/hr aint great but it aint beans) at Proctor and Gamble.
I'm a Perl Coder who loves Linux w/MySQL databases, who's had no problem finding work.
I got bored of coding years ago (I'm self taught all through high school), but decided that the only way I was going to make a fortune doing little work is coding. There is nothing easier in the world then this shit.
I made $2k this weekend doing a database application for a client that took me 20 mins because I wrote a program to design all my database systems that is 100% templatized.
Writing the program that wrote it took me less then 4 hours, granted it's not perfect yet, but it did the basic job that gets me the check while I work on improving it with each new client that uses it.
I wonder how you all end up working 80hrs/week, what the hell ru coding that takes so long and is so complicated that it requires this?
On a side topic, why is there such support behind the evil satan language of java?
Perl has interpretters for nearly every architecture out there, thats what I call portability and speed, java is a great concept but show me native speed on every platform not horrible speed on every platform and no native speed on anything.
Just my ranting and raving, I personally doubt i'll be able to still type at age 50, my hands already hurt at age 18 (19 next month), and I've only been heavily typing since I was 14.
I think physically we'll all be half dead before we hit retirement and spend those hard earned fortunes on laser surgery, anyone invent something to fix my vision yet? I'll be blind within 3 years I predict so hurry up with brail monitors
You knows whats really fucking funny? :P
I'm coding Perl at Proctor & Gamble in Cincinnati, let me tell you they don't know shit about technology there
The project they gave me, they gave me 6 months to do it as an outside contractor. I could finish this whole project is less then a week without breaking a sweat.
Last week I worked 30mins out of the 40 hours, and at $24/hr I don't mind sitting on IRC for 6 hours a day, 1 hour for lunch, and the rest is just time killed elsewhere.
There are many companies that are clueless, but I work for P&G during the day and basically double my income by doing remote contracting work / running a web hosting company, I hate working/coding but I spend all my money if I don't work, so it's 60+ hrs a week or go broke on ebay buying useless shit I don't need.
PS: anyone wanna buy a few motherboards that I don't know what do or a 8port 100base hub or a few other spare parts? I've got tons I've bought for no reason.
And when was your penis removed again?
Hell Yeah, why do you think I'm taking out a bigger loan for a car? I'm spending a few k on my new home entertainment center :)
To go bose or not... difficult choice but I want clarity and the ability to rattle the neighbors windows in the next county, damn it!
Play me, then.
Hehe I usually take on 5 people at once and I don't even like Q3:A. I'll show you who's the screaming hormone enhanced adolescent loser.
Do you like the rockets red glare flaming from your new asshole?
Did the slashdot maintainers just get back from a strip club?
:P)
I know I did, Deja Vu Regionals gotta love it!
(And they wonder why programmers are poor yet make more then most people, hehe we suck at real life so we must compensate
I've worked for a company for several months with the done yesterday style of working. :P
MySQL kept pace perfectl fine and dandy with 0 problems till 1 day it started problems, lets just say it's never the same again
Once MySQL dies once, MOVE ON! heh the war isn't worth it, I fought with that thing daily for 2 weeks trying to keep it stable, it's been up almost 5 days now(well besides a few corrupt tables).
My advice is, take your current data, and enter it in 4 times, (quadroupling the database size), if it still runs quickly then start doing alot of deletions/reinstertions of the data while trying to do a few selects, if that don't break it, I wouldn't worry about it, if it does your SOL, I don't know the specifics of your situation but try that, and learn the syntax and use myisamchk and isamchk now before it dies, you'll be glad you did.
I feel your pain on that one.
I've had several weeks of pure hell with MySQL when I got past the "standard" simple tables with nothing special at all in them and got into grouping from several databases, summing columns, and so on. I've had hanging problems, index corruption, all kinds of lovely items popping up, I update to the latest mysql code every couple of days and it usually helps but some more usefull logs would be nice, MySQL's basic logs really bite.
Recompiling the code by rebuilding the rpm seemed to help us out quite alot and gave more stability.
It's a fighting battle with MySQL on the higher end stuff.
On implementation and use it couldn't be easier to deal with and I love it for smaller/quicker projects, but a full database is definately needed if you have a large well funded project, but MySQL is great for normal everyday operations.
Just watch out how complex u get, you will confuse and toast little MySQL.
MySQL is great for speed as long as your small, I haven't seen it run worth a darn on 700,000 records with any decent speed, it really needs some more work on the high-end optimization.
But as long as you're willing to optimize everything to death MySQL provides incredibly speedy results.
The ads you can turn off :P /? /? (windows)
exit your little bootable cdrom crap to a msdos prompt and do setup
gee look at that you can skip the registry checks, the disk checks, the ads, and all kinds of things.
Never woulda guessed it but,
(linux) --help =
Bob Not Bob,
if you aint confused yet, then you're doing something wrong
8 months ago I bought a p233 w/mmx with 32 megs of ram, '95, 3gig hd for $900 off of ubid. :P It was only usefull then when I had a t3 to jack into to exploit the bandwith of off my laptop, the nic card I got as much as I paid for it back when I sold it recently also.
It's not bad, but I'm selling it off now for $600, I don't use it anymore, I got a better job and don't do tech anymore
Laptops are somewhat nice, but really they're damn near useless in every day work for me, but when I worked tech it was great to bring my own comp and not deal with a shared pc(yuck). But when the servers you work on are several hundred miles a way whats the point? I don't really need to check my email in the car, come on now lets get serious whats the point?
You people are overreacting to a bottom of the line pos wanna-be laptop, true it's nice and thin but no mussle. I bet you own a webphone don't ya, come on now admit it you spent that extra money to get 3 lines of yahoo! on your phone. We need a slashdot pda, one that has only 4 functions:
1. read slashdot.org
2. check stock quotes
3. telnet
4. mp3 player
with a huge battery life of a week or more, running a curosoe.
When are they going to make some decent batteries? Maybe I should just carry a gasoline generator and plug the ac adaptor into it? I love that 2 ~ 3 hour battery life my lappy packed without power saving modes.
I go to a University for CS, and frankly there are hardly any women in the courses, and fewer as you get later in the years. I have to think this causes pressure for them along with the problems of the courses themselves.
:P
Also with the culture of it all, how many girls do you know that spend their high school life hanging out on irc playing with eggdrop bots and the latest cvs trees of anything, if you know of some I'm pretty shocked but they're probably real good lookers
Oh well just my thoughts and my firstish post!
Don't you just love being out on the weekend in the middle of doing something and the cell phone goes off, "Somethings wrong with the database!@#@!#!" "What kind of something?" "I dunno but its all gone to hell fix it NOW!" "Ok Ok", go back or bust out the laptop to find out the problem is they had their caps lock on while trying to login.
Anyway we can bill from the social stress it causes by the fact we can't be totally smashed out of our minds 24/7 on weekends like the rest of America because we got clients or bosses that will call at 9am on a saturday?