Don't know about your resolution issues, but about the Firefox thingy, check out Kde4 + Firefox3 0.10 Mozilla add-on.. It looks quite ok for me at least.
1) All KDE applications using Phonon and thus the same sound server, no more "oh I can't play audio here because I'm playing it over there". Or maybe that's pulseaudio's job to really fix, but I'd be happy either way.
Alsa's had this for ages - I'm not sure what the big deal with phonon/pulseaudio/esd is.
And how well does ALSA work in Solaris? *BSD? Windows? Mac OS X? Yes, that's what I mean...
2) The Phonon framework hopefully means I can use one media player (Dragon Player?) for all my needs, with a codec backend like on other operating systems. Right now mplayer/xine/vlc work on different media.
Well, obviously you have different experiences, but I haven't found anything so far that vlc and mplayer (both) won't play
The Phonon provides a cross-platform framework for developers to use multimedia in their applications easily. I doubt vlc or mplayer do that so easily...
3) Once the KDE4 applications are up and running, you can use the same applications on Windows. No need for learning a separate application when you have to use Windows.
That's at least my top three...
Same's true for GTK.
Oh, does all of Gnome apps also do? Like Nautilus and so on? That's something new to me.. Does it also happen with no major porting work?
I've used KDE 4.1 RC1, but its just not there yet. First, it's still not as stable or bug-free as KDE 3.5. This is partially due to packaging (since Ubuntu hasn't quite figured out all the dependencies yet) and partially due to the code itself. An even bigger problem, however, is the lack of core system applications that just aren't there yet. For example, KPowerSave and KNetworkManager are essentially requirements for any laptop. Neither of these is present nor, for example, does 4.1 let me suspend the system. The backend (Solid) for a lot of these things is present, but now someone has to write the front end that someone can actually control.
And, as others have commented, amarok, digikam, and koffice aren't ready yet either. I think it's going to take until at least 4.2 or 4.3 for it to be really usable and 4.5 until its actually fully polished.
First, do you think that something as big as KDE would be as feature complete, stable and bug-free as KDE 3.5 is, even though new applications have been introduced, a lot of under-pinnings have been changed and so on? I wouldn't bet on that...
Second, neither KPowerSave or KNetworkManager are included in base packages of KDE, meaning that they are not part of the base release. Nevertheless, I'm sure people will accept someone to step-up and help to make the port and inclusion to core packages happen.. If the release of 4.0 would be suspended until every application people use would've been ported and made perfect, the release would not have been done perhaps ever.. Release early, release often, as someone would say.
Third, Amarok, Digikam and KOffice are not part of the base of KDE. Amarok and Digikam are located in Extragear and they have their own release schedule, and KOffice has its own module and release cycle also.
About your last sentence, someone could say that KDE won't be really usable until 5.5 or 7.8 has been released.. And that's something I would call b*shit. But please, come on and help the developers to make software better; at least KDE developers are very kind with helping new people to get in to the project.
Which means that developers can count on having the GNOME libraries present, and can't count on the KDE enviroment. Which means that they're going to develop for GNOME, not KDE.
Eww, I doubt developers are using some toolkit instead of another because that they can count it's available and the other is not. And by the way, I doubt Gnome libraries are used in every base installation of every distribution, even though the distro may be a LSB-compliant. AFAIK LSB Core includes nowadays both GTK+ and Qt, but not Gnome or KDE libraries.
I for myself think that the licensing of Qt may affect more for the developers than the availability, as Qt (and KDE) libs are available to every major distribution nowadays.
It's not quite over yet, but it's getting there. I'm seeing a fair number of complaints about Amarok requiring KDE libs; some traffic asking when a native GNOME version will be available. KDE 4.x may or may not achieve technical maturity, but right now I'm pretty sure that there won't be a 5.x series.
And since when Amarok has been equal to KDE? And even though people are asking for a native GNOME version of Amarok, I doubt it will happen. Or at least it wouldn't be done by the same developers. And nevertheless that Amarok is using KDE and Qt libraries, I've seen that the userbase of it is growing all the time.
About your statement that there won't be a 5.x series of KDE, do you have any sources for that? KDE has been gaining more contributors, more applications etc. and for me this doesn't mean that KDE is dieing, but in fact opposite.
So please, give us something to back up your claims or please stop spreading FUD.
Losing ground like this? And I think someone said that ASUS' EeePC also runs KDE, perhaps other UPMCs do that also? I wouldn't call that "losing ground" at least...
Uhh, right? So what happens if people say that the environment is not ready if Amarok, KNetworkManager or some other 3rd party (3rd party as-in not included in KDE release cycle) has not been ported? And what if some beloved application has no maintainer and no-one to make a port? Should KDE as a project stay and not to release until everything has been ported to use the new libraries?
I'm sorry to say, but I doubt that would work in the long run...
While I agree the current Vista Beta1 theme isn't too great.... Plastik?! God, that is so terribly ugly it makes me cry. Absolutely TERRIBLE. It's almost up there with Luna.
Don't you think Gnome new default theme looks ugly too? For me it looks Plastik-alike...
What if the User-Agent header is missing? Does PHP return an empty string for $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] or will it cause an exception?
According to PHP manual it returns false (boolean) when no string is found.
why should it be part of KOffice, I hope it's possible to install it alone on a system without KOffice or even KDE.
Maybe that's because KOffice apps depend on KOffice and KDE libraries? And for sure you can install it without KOffice or without KDE, you just need the libs to make it work.
So, well, I just think it's sad that Gnome and KDE users have to lean on Gaim for an IM'ing solution right now.
Well, there's Kopete for KDE users and at least it's enough for me. I can communicate via MSN with a couple of friends who don't irc and Kopete works just fine for this.
Amarok, a new audio player that will hopefulyl replace the awful Noatun/Kaboodle
No, at least not for 3.3.
KolourPaint - which was needed
Yes, KPaint is replaced by KolourPaint.
My wish: integrate Konversation, and get rid of Keramik:)
Not going to happen for 3.3. Konversation is in kdeextragear module and default style/window decoration won't be changed during minor releases. I think new ones will be next in KDE 4...
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Well yes, but the main point was how strong the opensource community is there in Windows base..
AFAIK only eMule and VirtualDub are the ones which are developed mainly by Windows users/developers. Others are mostly used and developed under some *NIXes, but fix me if I'm wrong.. That's only what I think about those.
For an example, I think Apache httpd was first written to *NIX and then ported to work on Windows.. Can you give me some apps which are done by the opposite way?
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GT3 is not free software as in free speech unless you write on Linux. ... or Mac.
I don't comment about the "everyone" thing, but can you point out some big OS projects on Windows? Anything as big as KDE? I can't remember, but please tell me some big projects and communities if there's such. Do they do cross-platform stuff too?
QT is not free as in speech or free as in beer.
So what do you mean with free? Isn't Linux kernel free as it isn't licensed under BSD/LPGL license as you're trying to tell me or what?
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PF: Now, a question that everybody has been asking: Why isn't there a GPL version of Qt3 for Windows?
EE (laughing): As some people mentioned on the dot, it has partly to do with finances, sales and Trolltech's business model. Another point is the fact that Windows is a closed source Operating System. There is no community for Free Software development under Windows. The situation is very different from Linux, as you know. On Windows development usually happens as shareware or commercial software and we don't see that community evolving into producing Free Software.
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Don't know about your resolution issues, but about the Firefox thingy, check out Kde4 + Firefox3 0.10 Mozilla add-on.. It looks quite ok for me at least.
And how well does ALSA work in Solaris? *BSD? Windows? Mac OS X? Yes, that's what I mean...
The Phonon provides a cross-platform framework for developers to use multimedia in their applications easily. I doubt vlc or mplayer do that so easily...
Oh, does all of Gnome apps also do? Like Nautilus and so on? That's something new to me.. Does it also happen with no major porting work?
First, do you think that something as big as KDE would be as feature complete, stable and bug-free as KDE 3.5 is, even though new applications have been introduced, a lot of under-pinnings have been changed and so on? I wouldn't bet on that...
Second, neither KPowerSave or KNetworkManager are included in base packages of KDE, meaning that they are not part of the base release. Nevertheless, I'm sure people will accept someone to step-up and help to make the port and inclusion to core packages happen.. If the release of 4.0 would be suspended until every application people use would've been ported and made perfect, the release would not have been done perhaps ever.. Release early, release often, as someone would say.
Third, Amarok, Digikam and KOffice are not part of the base of KDE. Amarok and Digikam are located in Extragear and they have their own release schedule, and KOffice has its own module and release cycle also.
About your last sentence, someone could say that KDE won't be really usable until 5.5 or 7.8 has been released.. And that's something I would call b*shit. But please, come on and help the developers to make software better; at least KDE developers are very kind with helping new people to get in to the project.
Eww, I doubt developers are using some toolkit instead of another because that they can count it's available and the other is not. And by the way, I doubt Gnome libraries are used in every base installation of every distribution, even though the distro may be a LSB-compliant. AFAIK LSB Core includes nowadays both GTK+ and Qt, but not Gnome or KDE libraries.
I for myself think that the licensing of Qt may affect more for the developers than the availability, as Qt (and KDE) libs are available to every major distribution nowadays.
And since when Amarok has been equal to KDE? And even though people are asking for a native GNOME version of Amarok, I doubt it will happen. Or at least it wouldn't be done by the same developers. And nevertheless that Amarok is using KDE and Qt libraries, I've seen that the userbase of it is growing all the time.
About your statement that there won't be a 5.x series of KDE, do you have any sources for that? KDE has been gaining more contributors, more applications etc. and for me this doesn't mean that KDE is dieing, but in fact opposite.
So please, give us something to back up your claims or please stop spreading FUD.
Losing ground like this? And I think someone said that ASUS' EeePC also runs KDE, perhaps other UPMCs do that also? I wouldn't call that "losing ground" at least...
Uhh, right? So what happens if people say that the environment is not ready if Amarok, KNetworkManager or some other 3rd party (3rd party as-in not included in KDE release cycle) has not been ported? And what if some beloved application has no maintainer and no-one to make a port? Should KDE as a project stay and not to release until everything has been ported to use the new libraries? I'm sorry to say, but I doubt that would work in the long run...
IIRC amaroK strips out JS code and many other things before loading lyrics.
Well, at least Akregator uses Metakit as a storage in KDE 3.5 which is much faster than XML storage it used to use...
Does it matter? Applications aren't meant to crash if they can't open a file...
And what about text highlighting in PDFs?
KPDF has somekind of tools for that.
While I agree the current Vista Beta1 theme isn't too great.... Plastik?! God, that is so terribly ugly it makes me cry. Absolutely TERRIBLE. It's almost up there with Luna.
Don't you think Gnome new default theme looks ugly too? For me it looks Plastik-alike...
I'd consider using KDE, but the button order always drives me up the wall, as do the dialogs in MS Windows.
I'd consider using Gnome, but the button order always drives me up the wall. How can I change it? It's easily done in KDE, but how about Gnome.
Um, and KOffice isn't still included in KDE. It has is own release cycle and so on.
What if the User-Agent header is missing? Does PHP return an empty string for $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] or will it cause an exception?
According to PHP manual it returns false (boolean) when no string is found.
why should it be part of KOffice, I hope it's possible to install it alone on a system without KOffice or even KDE.
Maybe that's because KOffice apps depend on KOffice and KDE libraries? And for sure you can install it without KOffice or without KDE, you just need the libs to make it work.
So, well, I just think it's sad that Gnome and KDE users have to lean on Gaim for an IM'ing solution right now.
Well, there's Kopete for KDE users and at least it's enough for me. I can communicate via MSN with a couple of friends who don't irc and Kopete works just fine for this.
KPlayer is a good player and my personal choice too.
Amarok, a new audio player that will hopefulyl replace the awful Noatun/Kaboodle
:)
No, at least not for 3.3.
KolourPaint - which was needed
Yes, KPaint is replaced by KolourPaint.
My wish: integrate Konversation, and get rid of Keramik
Not going to happen for 3.3. Konversation is in kdeextragear module and default style/window decoration won't be changed during minor releases. I think new ones will be next in KDE 4...
Well yes, but the main point was how strong the opensource community is there in Windows base..
AFAIK only eMule and VirtualDub are the ones which are developed mainly by Windows users/developers. Others are mostly used and developed under some *NIXes, but fix me if I'm wrong.. That's only what I think about those.
For an example, I think Apache httpd was first written to *NIX and then ported to work on Windows.. Can you give me some apps which are done by the opposite way?
GT3 is not free software as in free speech unless you write on Linux.
... or Mac.
I don't comment about the "everyone" thing, but can you point out some big OS projects on Windows? Anything as big as KDE? I can't remember, but please tell me some big projects and communities if there's such. Do they do cross-platform stuff too?
QT is not free as in speech or free as in beer. So what do you mean with free? Isn't Linux kernel free as it isn't licensed under BSD/LPGL license as you're trying to tell me or what?
From the interview of Trolltech's guys:
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PF: Now, a question that everybody has been asking: Why isn't there a GPL version of Qt3 for Windows?
EE (laughing): As some people mentioned on the dot, it has partly to do with finances, sales and Trolltech's business model. Another point is the fact that Windows is a closed source Operating System. There is no community for Free Software development under Windows. The situation is very different from Linux, as you know. On Windows development usually happens as shareware or commercial software and we don't see that community evolving into producing Free Software.
Hope this clears the situation a bit
Or you could always use KAudioCreator
KAudioCreator uses audiocd ioslave afaik...
Ah, my bad, were writing something else than thinking.. You're right.
Have you ever tried 'ls -al /' on Linux? Lets see what's the first entry:
/ ./
/. is a parent directory of root, rrright? \o/
tpr@tuli:~$ ls -al
total 308K
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4.0K Feb 1 15:15
Oh my god, it's parent directory so
Well, currently there is only this "document" and GUI will be in KDE 3.3.