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Krita/KOffice Preview Version and Video Available
xiando writes "Developers aim at making
Krita a user-friendly image manipulation program where users with no computer experience or slim experience with other light-duty image programs like Paint Shop Pro should feel right at home.
LinuxReviews has a
5.5 MB preview video by developer Bart Coppens available, showing how the app looks and feels.
Check it out or
download the source preview packages
by Daniel Molkentin to try it yourself.
Developers hope to make Krita a part of the
KDE office suite KOffice 1.4, scheduled spring 2005."
"Krita" means 'chalk' or 'crayon' in Swedish. "rita" means 'to draw'.
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after messing with the gimp for a bit (sounds dirty doesnt it).. i am relieved to know there is a simpler program for linux out there where i can do my image editing... not saying gimp is bad.. just a little hard to figure out at certain points
I never bother with software if there isn't screenshots available (assuming it has a GUI). In the future do you think that will be movies instead of screenshots?
Paint Shop Pro in the past because it was a good and easy program compared to Photoshop and have used Gimp but find it to be a bit more complicated than PSP. Still Gimp is an excellent choice for mst image manipulation operations. I just hope Krita brings the ease of use and intuitive part of PSP to Linux.
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Seems to be an application linux has been missing. While gimp is great imho it's simply overkill for most users and though I don't think gimp's interface is nearly as terrible as a lot of people want us to believe it is simply unfamiliar for someone who has only experience with paint shop pro for example. /me is looking forward to krita being released.
Paint Shop Pro's functionality has been anything but basic for the past three releases. In fact, in some areas (like vector layers) it's been far superior to Photoshop for a long time.
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It looks like this project has been going for some time and potentially very interesting. I am primarily a KDE user although I run GIMP under KDE and have done for several years. I've learned enough of GIMP to be fairly competent with it. I kinda like it now I've learned how to use it. Although I've always hoped for a "Kimp" using the QT toolkit although with the exact same functionality.
I might give this thing a try but as of yet I'm not about to unlearn my Gimp!
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I managed to coralize the first video just before the server went bye-bye: here
Hi there
I know the gimp is too different for many people to replace photoshop, but maybe this will do it. Well, if it can't replace photoshop, at least it will take the place of paintshop pro. Very nice job!
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Palm software uses double size animated gifs. I've always thought that was handy.
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Why do people bother posting stuff like this? Of course the first thing that's going to happen, is everyone clicks on the video. A few billion hits to their server, and bam, no more server.
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There's no way anyone can keep a 5.5MB video going against this type of traffic. Posters just need to expect that and don't inlcude links to movies. Just let the users find it and the site may have a chance.
It should read "There will be a 5.5MB video available sometime after this story falls off the front page of
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"light-duty image programs like Paint Shop Pro"... What the hell are they talking about!? PSP can do everything Photoshop can! I think it's a far superior program b/c of it's ease of use. I do tons of graphics and I never touch that Adobe filth... Thank God that someone is trying to make a better art program for Linux, Gimp tries to be Photoshop way too much, so I have to boot into Windows when I want to do graphics....
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As a shortcut junkie I really hope it uses some similar shortcuts as Photoshop or Paintshop Pro by default. This will make the switch much easier and make it more productive.
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IMHO the open source world needs a simple piece of software that does what every digital photographer needs:
...
* Eliminate red eyes
* Lighten, darken picture (or areas of the picture)
* change contrast
* sharpen contrast of picture
* cut picture frames
* import pictures from camera
* archive pictures
* send pictures to online printer
Every piece is there. But not in one package and not user friendly.
When you read about GIMP, many people think it's not as good as Photoshop, cause it does no colour separation. But GIMP is featurewise more than enough for millions of digital photographers. But sadly not usable for Joe Sixpack.
IMHO open source could attract much more new users by making specialized solutions, that are simple to use, than by making the featurewise ultimate solution. But of course every developer is free to do what he wants to do
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Koffice, although its import/export filters historically have left something to be desired. Unlike OpenOffice, you just get a "clean" feel when you start it up. Not super bloated, and the default layout doesn't waste lots of screen space with wide margins around the image of the paper (I know that's a stupid nitpick, but it's been driving me nuts about OpenOffice.org)
Now the KDE integration efforts for OO have made it quite a bit nicer to look at under KDE, for which I am grateful. But I still have to say I hope KOffice becomes a front runner for Linux office suites. If everybody uses the OO XML document standard that's in the works they can all compete on an equal footing, and Koffice documents could be read by OO on Windows. Koffice is a nice piece of work, but (partially due to their KDE only status) they have had a hard time getting the critical mass of developers needed to do what they're trying to do. Without the power of KDE+QT they wouldn't be anywhere NEAR where they are now, as far as I can tell.
I wish Apple or someone would decide to use the KOffice setup (yeah that would be a lot of work, but still...) and give KOffice enough full time developers to get all the annoying little features stuffed in. Feature parity with OpenOffice.org is a must, and with MSOffice would be ideal. People are used to those features, and in a game like Office software that's all that matters.
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Gotta love the basics plus the lens flare feature
For the 60% of people that just want to view their picture, resize it, and do some various simple edits... he's a program for you.
Seriously, whilst Adobe is an excellent program for high-end image editing, it's not the be-all-end-all. For many users, Adobe is very much overkill.
While I do use the functionality of strong programs such as PhotoShop every now and then, I've found the PSP interface quite convenient for much of what I use. At this point I'm stuck between PSP and GIMP, with GIMP having been my only choice for 'nix.
Based on the comparison to PSP though, I'll probably check out Krita (wish there were screenshots). Sometimes you don't want to do a lot of cool "stuff," in fact most of the time I just want to resize my image and fiddle with the colour depth to make thumbnails for my webpage...
"Pre-development", do you mean this is before any code is written? Were those screenshots drawn in crayon? If you're releasing code for public consumption it's no longer pre-development. Call it alpha/beta whatever, but it's time to stop hedging bets and call everything "pre-pre-pre-release".
If part of the greatness of the open source model is people using code early and often and giving you feedback, then punting all issues back saying "we're not going to support you, this is pre-pre-pre-release" just goes against that model.
Did anyone grab this who would be willing to seed it out to others? Seems to need the bandwidth more @ spread spectrum. Would love to see this development though.
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If they want to make it easy, they are going to need to do something like what was done in Kai's PhotoSoap. This is the *only* image editing app (besides iPhoto) that I've seen computer novices be able to figure out. The tools were simple, made sense, and the UI was great. And it worked well, too.
Luckily, Digikam performs all of these functions except for the last one. Try it! You might like it:
http://digikam.sf.net
KOffice being good and all, I still find OpenOffice better to use than KOffice.The features that openofice gives are excellent. :-P
For a windows migrator(is that a word?) like me I found OpenOffice the perfect office suite.Maybe its got to do with me like Gnome.
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Google's PICASA does pretty much all you mentionned. Go give it a try, It's free and it's very good.
excuse me, that's not what I want :( But I tried to explain KDE is such a big 'thing' but also has some good points. For a faster computer (+800Mhz) it's not a problem, but slower computers become realy slow with KDE (in my opinion).
those movies are great quality. you can see whats going on perfectly. anyone know how they did the screencapture? who do i talk to to ask how those movies were made for krita?
kudos to the software writers. wow. simple and nice.
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From the web page regarding "Why another paint program":
"This program will integrate with KDE better than GIMP does."
Great. Half of my applications integrate with KDE, and half integrate GNOME. (Actually, a few integrate with nothing).
I've had to explain this to my Windows-using friends who I am trying to convince to use Linux, and not surprisingly they answer "Well, why not just use Windows, where everything integrates with everything else?". They don't buy the idealistic "more choice" argument when more choice means less functionality.
Yepp, know it. But sadly not Open Source and not for Linux.
Bye egghat.
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Thanks. Looks like a very good match for my (and a lot of others) needs.
I'll definitly check it out!
Bye egghat.
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...in CVS. 0.7.0 isn't out yet. Those who follow your links are bound to be disappointed if they don't know this.
The program you linked to, only runs on obsolete platforms.
Only if they don't care about getting the best possible results. The gimp is of minimal use for advanced amateur photographers (IMO), as it only supports 8-bit color depth. Until gimp gets support for 16-bit (or greater) color depth, it is, sadly, not good enough. At the moment, anyone wanting to do serious photographic processing on linux, has to use something like Cinepaint.
(For the unwashed, uninformed hordes: while 8-bits (24bpp) is fine for printing on inkjets, you NEED 16-bits (48bpp) or more to do decent image processing, such as bringing out detail in shadows. Of course, this assumes that you're using one of the camera output formats that use more than 8bits per color channel.)
if you REALLY want "everything to integrate with everything else".
True story: A friend retired his powerbook, bought a new one. He linked them via Firewire, and _dragged his home folder from 1 to the other_. That's it, it just magically copied all his settings, desktop setup, applications, EVERYTHING.
Ever try to back up a Windows box? Look at Mozilla, some stuff in C:\Docuements and Settings\Foo\Application Data\Mozilla, others in C:\WINDOWS\mozilla.org, some other stuff, well, who knows where. MS apps are worse.
Not trying to troll, I have XP and like it, but heck, if you want an "appliance", i.e. something that just works with no fuss or futzing, then get a new Mac.
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Do you recommend Paint Shop Pro 9 vs Photoshop Elements 3.0? I can't decide which to get.
why should it be part of KOffice, I hope it's possible to install it alone on a system without KOffice or even KDE.
Maybe that's because KOffice apps depend on KOffice and KDE libraries? And for sure you can install it without KOffice or without KDE, you just need the libs to make it work.
I have made this suggestion other places but I have always wondered why don't applications make UI profiles or modes that scale the options as what would be needed for a particular task.
:)
With a word processor as an example you could fit in the same application 3 main profiles:
basic pure text notepad like interface
basic formating wordpad like interface
advanced formating word/openoffice writer like interface
page layout advanced desktop publishing like interface.
In each mode you would have only the options available that make sense for that mode. You would always be able to switch between modes and promote/demote to/from other modes as is possible.
The gimp could be a little different. Instead of a graduated level of features you could have UI profiles for different types of tasks:
1. Digital photo cleanup, just has basic features to eliminate red eye, clean up blur/sharpen resize brighten darken, crop etc... easy to get to on the tool bar.
2. Digital manipulation, similar to above but put the photo based features in the back ground and have script-fu stuff in the tool bars and easy to get to.
3. Media creation, similar to what the gimp has now.
4. Others that people can come up with.
Gnome has gone on a spree of getting rid of un-needed features in the UI but I think they should have a tiered approach to the UI.
Just my idea. go and whip it up real quick
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My mother runs Linux, because Windows kept getting destroyed by worms and viruses. She could definitely use a really simple image viewer and editor.
In fact, what I'd *really* like is a simple drag-drop application that prepares digital camera images to make them suitable for e-mailing. It would resize them to be no bigger than (say) 600 pixels in any dimension, apply a little sharpening, and save the result in the same directory as the original image, in JPEG format, with a "-email.jpg" file suffix.
Explaining unsharp masks, DPI and image sizes to my mother is just too difficult.
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Ever heard the phrase "Don't Judge a Book by it's cover!" I didn't think so, otherwise you might actually take a chance on software that works, but isn't pretty.
It irks me to no end when I spend I beefload of time on a project, put it on sourforge, and then get a bunch of emails in my inb0xen that are all like: D00d, cool proggy, but the icons aren't high resolution. It don't jibe with my desktop man. I'll pay you as soon as I ya do that, okay.
Yeah, why don't you over and use that pretty software then, jacko. Sure, it crashes every two minutes and is slow as a constipated mule, but it shore looks pretty.
Give me a break. Software should work. Not look pretty.
I wonder if the author has, by any chance, had the possibility to play around with PaintShopPro lately. To call it a "light-duty" is one of the biggest over-simplifications I have ever seen. Just have a look at its features, it almost beats Gimp and is as close to Photoshop as one can get (treating, of course, PhotoShop CS as a reference point!)
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Here Here! As much as I like advocating open source, I have a hard time setting people up with GIMP because it's not very friendly to average users. I'm much more inclined to suggest something like Google's picasa even though it lacks features such as text overlay and specific image resizing (sizes are preset, non-editable).
I'm accustomed to photoshop and always find myself frustrated with trying to perform simple tasks in GIMP. Not to mention all the dialogs dogpiling on each other. Windows (the OS interface) is cluttered enough without all those damn subwindows!
Given: I use Debian Sid/KDE 3.3 daily
Observations: Krita has years to go. GIMP is not difficult to use. What people are describing as difficult seems to be weighed on the amount of time one has to read up on the GIMP tutorials versus reading up on the Help for Krita.
Note: Digikam is what you want if you just want to touch up your digital images recently shot from your personal camera.
GIMP and Cinepaint are what you want to use if you want to utilize your digital images and turn them into a portfolio.
Comparing Krita to GIMP and declaring Krita the easy-to-use alternative is really misleading people. That's like comparing Scribus 1.2 to LaTeX/Kile and declaring Scribus 1.2 the only choice for PDF documentation publishing. Any one can tell you that if you are doing large technical documentation (books, presentations, etc..) you want to leverage LaTeX. But then you might have to get off your butt and learn it. Scribus isn't a breeze to learn but nothing like that visual feedback mechanism of instant gratification to give one a sense it is more intuitive, powerful and thus easier to utilize.
Both Scribus 1.2 and LaTeX are wonderful tools. I recommend learning both and leveraging them where they make sense.
Scribus 1.2 is like a poor man's scaled down version of Create 11, by Stone Design that runs only on OS X (100% Pure Cocoa app).
Stone Design Create
http://www.stone.com/Create_Screenshot.html
My flPhoto application does all but the last (it does support local printing, of course), available at:
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At the moment, anyone wanting to do serious photographic processing on linux, has to use something like Cinepaint.
... Which is a fork of the Gimp (albeit v1.x) to work with 16-bit (or greater) colour depth...
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Cinepaint is a Gimp fork commonly used in the movie industry. It features 48-bit color depth and functionality for editing individual frames of video.
The program you linked to, only runs on obsolete platforms.
Dang thing won't install on my Sinclar Spectrum - do I need the even older ZX-81 for it to run properly?
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honestly, it looks hella cool to me..
one thing that I like about it, is that its not GTK!!! jesus.. i just freakin hate the way gtk apps look, feel, and operate.. the dialouge is definitely not my cup of tea.. so this, is like a blessing..
the layout in itself, seems much more presentable, easier, and modern..
i'm looking forward to atleast giving it a shot when I get home..
i'll still love GIMP for some of the more technical things its able to do.. but i do get tired of gtk apps randomly crashing from time to time.. don't know why.. don't know how.. but this definitely appeals and promotes itself to the people, much more than the gimp ever has..
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this and the QT/cocoa bindings will make it a good alternative to photshop on OSX.
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Yes, but you don't need to use KDE to run Koffice AFAIK... Just Qt...
Use something like Xfce or IceWM if you need something for slower, older computers.
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is anyone gonna develop a vector based art creation program like illustrator??
get these damn pixels away from me..
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I have been using Paint Shop Pro since 1996.
It has many features which make it easy to use for just about any level of computer literacy.
However, it also has many other features which, for its price, gives PhotoShop a run for its money.
I have created web site graphics, published science fiction book cover artwork, CD label artwork, animation frames for manipulation using Java, etc.
Paint Shop Pro, at one point, was promoted directly (or via a person endorsing it) as "everything you can do in PhotoShop for $99.00". In my personal experience, this is and has been true of Paint Shop Pro since I started using it (version 5.0).
It may only be "light duty" in regards to its ease-of-use, it has plenty of "heavy duty" features, plug-ins, filters, etc. to keep many computer graphic artists, animators, etc. very very happy. Again, this is all in my humble opinion, but based on my direct experience with the Paint Shop Pro and PhotoShop.
Agreed, but next time don't quote the troll in your response. You're doing what the troll wants you to do: transferring his stupidity from a modded down post to one that isn't modded down.
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KDE does something like this... Kwrite and Kate are two different interfaces to the same text editor.
So it is like Painter? Yeah... they better start adding tools that emulate real world, like in Painter... wait, there is no such thing in the FAQ's feature list, done or planned. And you can forget being simple then, Painter is no simple.
...someone can fork your own brain, and you don't even know it until you read about it on slashdot!
...subscriber preview again? 15 minutes? Seems like they would have to bump that up some to give any interested folks a chance to make a torrent or get a coral link going. I mean, if folks pay for a page, they want to go read the articles primarily, not remake a website for someone else. And even then, who knows some folks at websites may be totally against anyone taking their stuff and cacheing it, even if they get slashdotted.
But ya, it's a problem, what I do is make an executive decision if I want to chance the link or not, because I want to read the article. If it's a big site, like a commercial web page, I usually click on it because it's their lookout to have a server that can serve some decent number hits, if it's joe hobbiest personal site or obvious small and obscure site,based on what the URL looks like, I'll wait a day or at least a few hours.
If you need a Linux program for "users with no computer experience or slim experience with other light-duty image programs," you may want to give KolourPaint a try. I'd say it falls somewhere in-between Krita and MS Paint on the difficulty scale.
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You don't need to "Run" KDE to get Koffice to work. You just need the KDE Base libraries and the Qt libraries to get it going. You don't have to run it as your desktop environment.
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A clone of Apple's iPhoto would be a nice start. Though iPhoto could certainly be better, it does a good job at managing and importing your images, and making gimmicky slideshows with cool transitions and music.
iPhoto does do everything you mentioned, however.