"If you knew the history of the case, your comments make no sense."
Which is why I started my reply with "And this is in general terms, not just this case." - I should have left the "just" out as I wasn't refering to this case at all, but the latest craze of suing over patents and IP without really trying to resolve the issue. It's the way the patent system is abuse, that I'm on about.
Thanks for the info though. Going by what you write, this one is obviously really cisco's bad.
Now imagine Google was just bluffing and causing everyone to panic and enlarge their free storage offers.
Either ways, for a change the consumer scores....
OK, fair enough. I'm throwhing a party on Saturday night. You and the boys are invited to party with us. But you have to bring your own booz, own snacs, own smokes, own women. You're not allowed to come in my house, in fact, stay out of my yard - the sidewalk is as good a pary place as any. You're not allowed to mingle with the rest of the guests. If you do I'll sue you.
Let's look at the pattern. And this is in general terms, not just this case. A company figures someting out, patents it, then sues everybody who does the same thing (or creates product that can talk to this invention). Why? Greed. That's why.
Why don't they instead first prove that the technology is their invention, then notify anyone who might be violating their rights, and offer a chance to work out a solution - licence the technology. That way, you get a more permanent revenue stream.
So, exactly how many friends does SCO have these days? If they had proven their ownership of the code in the linux kernel first, and then, in a friendly manner, came with the licencing sceme, their business would have been booming now. But noooo. They they want it all and they want it NOW!
Troll? This was a rather funny comment about that Windows Administrator who installed 9 linux distros (and did Gentoo two or three times as well) in 2 days and couldn't get his sound going.
9 Distros plus Gentoo twice in two days. I wan't whatever hardware he's got...
Just saw that Zoltrix does in fact have a Windows2000 driver for the Zoltrix TV-MAX. But it's still (after what looks like a year or two) in beta, and it doesn't support PAL.
I can confirm this. I signed up with Skype long ago, so they have my e-mail address. I also e-mailed skype to ask if they will be releasing a linux version in the future. I got a mail back saying "not at this time." Then, some months later, I received a very polite, plain text mail, informing me that, indeed they would be releasing a linux version soon, and would let me know when it is available.
Then, last night, I got a third e-mail from them informing me that the linux version is available, and where I can download it from. Seeing as I e-mailed them asking, I don't consider this spam at all. I also haven't found any spywhere on my Windows box.
Microsoft wouldn't be spending big money on a big marketing project trying to convince people that Linux is not the way to go if they weren't concerned and didn't see Linux as a threat.
Linux is losing them a lot of money and costing them a lot of business. I know that because I'm installing twice as many linux servers than I did even two years ago, even though I work in a Microsoft-everything company filled with a bunch of MCSEs and a MCT for a boss.
Linux is giving Microsoft sleepless nights. And the rest of opensource is taking their caffeine away....
It's a Zoltrix TV-MAX, bt848 with Phillips tuner. It's the btwincap drivers that broke my win2k... so badly I had to reinstall - couldn't even get it to boot in safe mode.
The drivers that gave me black and white was from iuVCR. They sell a capture program, and also provide drivers. There is a demo and commecial version of the driver, but they don't mention anything about colour being limited to the commercial one: http://www.iulab.com/drv/index.shtml
I did see a couple of new projects on google, so I'll give it a bash.
I don't know how much of the troubles I had was a result of the BS nVidia drivers. A lot of funny bugs went away when I replaced it with a Radeon 7500. For example, in Win98, the image works now. In linux I could never watch TV in full screen in anything higher than 16bit colour. From what I read on google, it was a PCI bandwidth issue. What nonsense. With the Radeon I can do 24bit and watch TV fullscreen at any resolution the Radeon can do.
In general I've learned to avoid Zoltrix products though. I had a Zoltrix Cobra internal modem (hcf). The drivers for win2k was unstable as hell, connection was slow, and windows always started behaving really funny about two weeks after installing those drivers. Weird stuff like OpenGL breaking and sound becoming fragmented. All that went away when I tried the generic drivers from conexant.
I think I'm on my third card, and I keep throwing them out and trying a different one because of the drivers...
Stay clear of the Zoltrix cards then. They don't support Windows NT/2k/XP at all, and the various drivers I downloaded from the internet either didn't work properly (black and white image, at the best of times) or broke windows so badly I coudln't even boot into safe mode. In Windows9x the zoltrix drivers clash with nVidia drivers, so the image doesn't update. I've given up on watching TV in Windows
I use to use the GIMP on Linux and I knew how it was supposed to work. It was supposed to crash every half hour and be slow as hell.
Dunno what linux you were using. On my PC at work (SUSE) OpenOffice has been open with a couple of large spreadsheets (1-3mb with only numbers - no graphics) open, for more than two months.
I don't leave Gimp open because I don't use it that much, but it has never (since v0.99) crashed on me. NEVER!
Ok, so are Telecom losing more by having to pay a couple of cents per message to Vodafone, than they're gaining by having snatched all those subsribers from Vodfone in the first place? Sometimes you have to lose a little somewhere to gain a lot somewhere else.
Classic case of wanting too much too soon.
Grandparent probably didn't look before he downloaded. 9GB would give you all the packages, all the sources (big) and probably all the updates and extra packages provided on the FTP site.
Just for the sake of everybody who live in countried where bandwidth are are cheap and available in large quantities.
In South Africa we (finally) have ADSL. Thanks to our general shortage of international bandwith (and the telco's pathetic disinterest in doing anything about it), it performs more like a dual ISDN for international traffic, on a good day. Also, we are limited to 3GB of traffic per month, after wich it performs like a 9600baud modem, on a good day.
So, downloading ISO images is difficult for us, and downloading anything from us, is going to be difficult for you.
Cheers
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"If you knew the history of the case, your comments make no sense."
Which is why I started my reply with "And this is in general terms, not just this case." - I should have left the "just" out as I wasn't refering to this case at all, but the latest craze of suing over patents and IP without really trying to resolve the issue. It's the way the patent system is abuse, that I'm on about.
Thanks for the info though. Going by what you write, this one is obviously really cisco's bad.
Now imagine Google was just bluffing and causing everyone to panic and enlarge their free storage offers. Either ways, for a change the consumer scores....
OK, fair enough. I'm throwhing a party on Saturday night. You and the boys are invited to party with us. But you have to bring your own booz, own snacs, own smokes, own women. You're not allowed to come in my house, in fact, stay out of my yard - the sidewalk is as good a pary place as any. You're not allowed to mingle with the rest of the guests. If you do I'll sue you. Let's look at the pattern. And this is in general terms, not just this case. A company figures someting out, patents it, then sues everybody who does the same thing (or creates product that can talk to this invention). Why? Greed. That's why. Why don't they instead first prove that the technology is their invention, then notify anyone who might be violating their rights, and offer a chance to work out a solution - licence the technology. That way, you get a more permanent revenue stream. So, exactly how many friends does SCO have these days? If they had proven their ownership of the code in the linux kernel first, and then, in a friendly manner, came with the licencing sceme, their business would have been booming now. But noooo. They they want it all and they want it NOW!
Patents just cause trouble. See? See?
Troll? This was a rather funny comment about that Windows Administrator who installed 9 linux distros (and did Gentoo two or three times as well) in 2 days and couldn't get his sound going.
9 Distros plus Gentoo twice in two days. I wan't whatever hardware he's got...
Just saw that Zoltrix does in fact have a Windows2000 driver for the Zoltrix TV-MAX. But it's still (after what looks like a year or two) in beta, and it doesn't support PAL.
I can confirm this. I signed up with Skype long ago, so they have my e-mail address. I also e-mailed skype to ask if they will be releasing a linux version in the future. I got a mail back saying "not at this time." Then, some months later, I received a very polite, plain text mail, informing me that, indeed they would be releasing a linux version soon, and would let me know when it is available.
Then, last night, I got a third e-mail from them informing me that the linux version is available, and where I can download it from. Seeing as I e-mailed them asking, I don't consider this spam at all. I also haven't found any spywhere on my Windows box.
Microsoft wouldn't be spending big money on a big marketing project trying to convince people that Linux is not the way to go if they weren't concerned and didn't see Linux as a threat.
Linux is losing them a lot of money and costing them a lot of business. I know that because I'm installing twice as many linux servers than I did even two years ago, even though I work in a Microsoft-everything company filled with a bunch of MCSEs and a MCT for a boss.
Linux is giving Microsoft sleepless nights. And the rest of opensource is taking their caffeine away....
It's a Zoltrix TV-MAX, bt848 with Phillips tuner. It's the btwincap drivers that broke my win2k... so badly I had to reinstall - couldn't even get it to boot in safe mode.
The drivers that gave me black and white was from iuVCR. They sell a capture program, and also provide drivers. There is a demo and commecial version of the driver, but they don't mention anything about colour being limited to the commercial one: http://www.iulab.com/drv/index.shtml
I did see a couple of new projects on google, so I'll give it a bash.
I don't know how much of the troubles I had was a result of the BS nVidia drivers. A lot of funny bugs went away when I replaced it with a Radeon 7500. For example, in Win98, the image works now. In linux I could never watch TV in full screen in anything higher than 16bit colour. From what I read on google, it was a PCI bandwidth issue. What nonsense. With the Radeon I can do 24bit and watch TV fullscreen at any resolution the Radeon can do.
In general I've learned to avoid Zoltrix products though. I had a Zoltrix Cobra internal modem (hcf). The drivers for win2k was unstable as hell, connection was slow, and windows always started behaving really funny about two weeks after installing those drivers. Weird stuff like OpenGL breaking and sound becoming fragmented. All that went away when I tried the generic drivers from conexant.
What's the point of FP if you do it anonymously?
The fastest possible GHz will not always give the bets real performance, as AMD, despite their "bogoghz" have demonstrated.
Ok, so are Telecom losing more by having to pay a couple of cents per message to Vodafone, than they're gaining by having snatched all those subsribers from Vodfone in the first place? Sometimes you have to lose a little somewhere to gain a lot somewhere else. Classic case of wanting too much too soon.
Grandparent probably didn't look before he downloaded. 9GB would give you all the packages, all the sources (big) and probably all the updates and extra packages provided on the FTP site.
Amen broer....
Just for the sake of everybody who live in countried where bandwidth are are cheap and available in large quantities. In South Africa we (finally) have ADSL. Thanks to our general shortage of international bandwith (and the telco's pathetic disinterest in doing anything about it), it performs more like a dual ISDN for international traffic, on a good day. Also, we are limited to 3GB of traffic per month, after wich it performs like a 9600baud modem, on a good day. So, downloading ISO images is difficult for us, and downloading anything from us, is going to be difficult for you. Cheers