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Hotmail, Others Follow Gmail's Storage Boost
BobPaul writes "Following behind Yahoo Mail's recent upgrade to 100MB of free storage, and trailing behind GMail's 1GB (last mentioned here), ZDNet reports that Hotmail will soon boost email storage as well. 'The upgrade will increase Hotmail's free e-mail storage limits from 2 megabytes to 250MB and its paid e-mail service, which costs $19.95 a year, from 10MB to 2 gigabytes. The changes will begin in early July.' Another interesting tidbit from the article: 'Ask Jeeves also plans to grant its e-mail subscribers more storage room... According to an e-mail sent to iWon users, Ask Jeeves plans to give each of the sites' e-mail subscribers 125MB of free storage.'"
hurray for competition :)
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...they will come But what the feck am I gonna do with 250MB of spam ??
Step 1 - on April 1st, give away 1G mail boxes to all - start with a small Beta group
Step 2 - invest in Hard drives, and wait until MS and others implement size increases
Step 3 - declare it was a joke all along
Step 4 - ???
Step 5 - IPO !!!
You can't expect to wield supreme executive power, just because some watery tart threw a sword at you
I have close to 40 gigs of email storage, if I want to fill up my /home partition.
Pretty Sweet. I have a gmail account but there's no way I'm filling it up. I've only been able to get 4 megs of mail in the past 3 months. I doubt I'll ever reach the 250 meg limit from Hotmail. Good Job MS responding to competition. :)
With the amount of spam Hotmail accounts get my guess is that this will simply increase the amount of junk mail Microsoft has to store.
Has google kicked off an email arms race that will end in tears?
250 MB email? I love competition. Not to mention that's one big storage dump on the net. Now let's see how the RIAA can find me transferring MP3's over e-mail
Just think, 250Mb of spam to deal with when you come back from holiday.
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Hotmail and Lycos are missing the point here - people aren't flocking to Google cause of the 1GB of space; it's because of the innovative design; the powerful search; the conversation layout; the lack of intrusive ads etc.
They have to fix the fact that their services are crap before handing out space willy-nilly.
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I was under the impression that most of the people who routinely sent or recieved large attachments had a 'proper' paid email service, with more features than your average webmail. Will any of these new developments lure any of these people back into the land of webmail?
Making the moon less necessary since 1998.
With this extra demand, will it lead to a faster curve towards even cheaper hard disks with even more space on them?
:-)
Time to invest in Seagate?
-- jaf
If Google all of a sudden now says: "Meh, we tried it out with the testing phase, and we've decided not to start a email service at this time".
Now that Yahoo and Hotmail and everyone else has done the "look, we're offering 1Gig storage too!"
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
Not to mention its less evil! When you use google, only part of your soul is consumed. Better than the alternative I say.
There's more to GMail than pure storage capacity. Personally, i wouldn't consider switching back to Hotmail or any other service until they improve the system in some of the ways Google have -- such as the conversation system for tracking replies, and the searchable "All Mail" folder which holds both incoming and outgoing conversations.
Its funny -- in all the hyperbole about the disk space being offered, people are neglecting some of the real innovations/advancements GMail has managed.
Trying to save customers, but honestly, with a sleak, sexy UI of GMail, without those SUPER ANNOYING banners. 2GB of free space, or even unlimited wouldn't be enough to bring me over since those HUGE and OBNOXCIOUS banners are still there.
They have to Googleize, and learn that small, relavent banners produce more then spaming me with flashy popups that install spyware, and that Mozilla/GoogleToolbar will block.
But it is a step in the right direction.
I have noticed a problem since the upgrade of yahoo. there is a delay in getting email from hotmail. it started right when the upgrade happened for me. But, it is nice to have the extra space.
Evolution or ID?
But what good is all that storage space without a proper way of archiving and accessing it?
Remember years ago when the max e-mail size wasn't 2mb and you suddenly got mail bombed? You had to go looking through 100's of pages of mail and deleting all the junk. All that work is enough to give anybody carpel tunnel syndrome. Also, Hotmail's recent restriction on opening only one page at a time only makes the matter worse.
The reason why Gmail can give 1GB of space is because it has developed an excellent system of mail archival, retrieval and display. So unless Hotmail changes its interface and pulls something as good as Google, we are soon going to see frustrated users shifting through many pages of spam.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
Now imagine Google was just bluffing and causing everyone to panic and enlarge their free storage offers. Either ways, for a change the consumer scores....
sigaar
I got my 100 MB upgrade 2 days ago for my @yahoo.com account, but not yet for @yahoo.co.uk and @yahoo.co.jp which are both still at 6 MB.
If you're willing to put up with some spam and fill out some surveys, you can get a 2 GB box at Yahoo.
To use a remote computer as permanent storage?
I just don't trust a free service provider to care too much about my data.
That's a little surprising, given that in the past they were so pressed for space that they decided to delete every sent message stored on their servers, so pressed for space that they decided to delete all mail after 45 days of not logging in, up from a year as it had been originally.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
It took Google to do this. I mean, what were the chances of the incumbents doing this, if Google hadn't?
That's what happens when you sit around and be complacent.
Well done Google! The others are just playing catch-up.
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In less than three months since their announcement of Gmail (April 1st) they have redefined what a free email service should provide, in terms of storage and attachment size if nothing else.
If Gmail hadn't appeared to shake up the status quo then Yahoo, Hotmail, etc would still be providing storage in the 2MB region rather than two or three orders of magnitude more.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
I bet this is a new and uncomfortable experience for Microsoft, eh?
Who doesn't like free music?
if they offer all of that extra storage space without a good search ability to go with it. AND MS is going to ask money for the increased storage space. Right. I am slowly moving from .mac to gmail for all of the above reasons -storage, SEARCH and money. I cannot think why someone would want to use and pay for hotmail or something if there is a service such as gmail available. Just my 2 eurocents...
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the thing about the 'loads of storage space' thing is, right, archived mail, right? and to get to a web-based email service, I have to be online, right?
what if I'm not online? what if I'm in hicksville on my laptop and want to access an old email message from someone for some really important reason (yeah I know, incoherent sentence, but bear with me)
with the POP mail I have, my messages are RIGHT HERE. In have no need to go connecting to tha Intarweb to do this, right? but Gmail's amazing search capabilities so heavily plugged, are aimed right at this, going through your archived mail, right?
Is there some link I'm not making here? Forgive me, I'm in the pub so maybe I'm just lost.
Screw you all! I'm off to the pub
I have not seen gmail, but I know that one thing that attracted me to google at the start was that on my dialup connection, google was a FAST download, because of its lack of large graphical ads, etc., compared to the slow and bulky yahoo interface. The reason I avoid hotmail and yahoo mail now is because their interfaces are still ad-ridden and bulky and slow as hell on dialup.
If the Gmail interface is as fast as the google interface, gmail will eat hotmail and yahoo for lunch.
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Hum true imagine that google hadnt lunch gmail still have the 2mgs on hotmail and account that i have humm like 8 years. on the other hand damn if when my account was full of fwd... and refused to accept more on 2mgs well with 200mgs damn lot more emails to see... and i dont talk the 2 gig refered hahah :)
You should have just posted that in whatever your first language was, I'm sure more people could have understood it.
:) )
TRANSLATION:
Hmm. True. Imagine if Google hadn't launched GMail, you would still have only 2mb on hotmail, like you've had for the last 8 years! On the other hand most of the email I receive is SPAM or junk mail forwards (Almost 2mb worth), now I have 200mgs to look forward too, (wait until I get 2gbs! Haha
The main people who won't switch away from Hotmail are the home users who like Hotmail. If you ask them if they want to try something better, after they complain about spam/not being able to send big attachments/spyware, their response will be "NO, I'M HAPPY...shit, this service has so much spyware..."
And now that Microsoft has disallowed signing up for a Passport with a non-Microsoft email address, tieing these (usually) MSN Messenger using Hotmail to Hotmail, we'll have lots of people locked into it, and they'll bitch, piss and moan at you to help them, then ignore you.
God, I love users who are deluded as to the utter shitness of their email service. Trust me, I know loads of them.
(I'll bet there's not one Hotmail account NOT covered in spam by now. They're all just spam buckets. Evil, evil Hotmail...we hates it my precioussssss...)
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Granted, .mac does a shitload more than these others, but, hey, it's time to boost! :)
In Mojave space port, you can go into space. In corporate MS Hotmail, space comes to you...
what stops you using the 1GB for data storage, then publicising your password so it can be used for filesharing?
Cryo send me an email to my username on gmail.com and i'll give you an invite :)
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*Mods, this isnt offtopic, I'm gonna show him that he's not wrong
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Hey moderators: How can the first post be redundant?
Fortunately, I've snatched up a beta Gmail account and am finding it to be the bee's knees thus far. I've been fed up with Yahoo for a long time. Had I gone with Hotmail I'd have been even more fed up.
For several years I've had to trim all kinds of stuff out of my email archives due to the claustrophobic 4- and 6-meg limit on Yahoo mail. Then suddenly I log in and there's 100 meg available. Well that sucks, I've deleted maybe half that in stuff I'd rather have kept over the years. And it's still Yahoo; they still puke up obnoxious ads every chanse they get, and at the end of every single outgoing message.
On the other hand, since the dot-bomb, most over-the-web services have gotten crippled or disappeared entirely for non-paying users. It's a breath of fresh air to see some things actually improve, regardless Microsoft's and Yahoo's motives for doing so.
If an all but ad-free environment, a clean interface and the other Google niceties become competitive features that many webmail services mimmick, then great, everybody wins, including those unwilling to switch services. But for my money (or lack of it), I'd rather be signed up with an outfit whose mission statement amounts to "don't be evil" rather than "always be evil except to save face".
How about this aventuremail?. 2GB free storage. cheers
I have a Yahoo Mail account and the extra 94 megs is useless, i keep my area tidy and don't need any more, i don't understand the big deal. Plus the jump from 2MB to 250MB is huge, think of the extra xserves MS is going to buy to accomodate everyone. In the end its plain crazy when we can have more than one account and most of us will never need that much space as a home user.
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"Self-spamming"?
That sounds like a good idea if it's on the 250mb scale. You could sign up manually, then mail-bomb the accounts you'd opened. Opening four accounts wouldn't take long, then spam them, MS has to deal with a gig of spam.
Pretty juvenille though...
From what I can tell, Gmail is unbelievably fast, but I've never used it on a slow connection. If I give you an account, will you try it for a while with dial-up and then let us know how it is?
Reply or email me for an invitation.
Doug
I've been patiently waiting for gmail to become available publicly. But until it does I'll start using my Yahoo account again now that I have increased attachment and storage space. I wonder if hotmail, yahoo and the like are luring away many potential gmail users because of the long beta testing period...?
has'nt launched its services to a larger audience. great.
Thank you very much.. I thought my english was so bad, that i didn't understand him. It's my third language after all.
No, but you know that those who have an account can now invite others.
I never understood why email providers limited their subscribers to a measly 5 megs. Most email is pure ASCII text. Every time I have felt the need to compress a text file it nearly disappears. This is even the case when I have used gzip on the 'fastest' settings. A gig of email compressed onto today's unbelievably cheap storage costs a provider like Google, Yahoo or Hotmail damn near nothing!
3 invites in 5 minutes, Thanks guys!
Sign up with somthething like blindmellon@hotmail.com, anyone who sends you an e-mail gets sent the full collection of mp3s from the group.
I like it.
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A shining example... nice... now I will be able to save 250MB worth of SPAM in my hotmail account :)
In the next month or two I fully expect that we are going to see some admititly slow but inexpensive storage solutions. Actually I'm supprised we haven't already seen GmailFS and HotmailFS.
It's becoming a good way to share files with friends. Create a new email account, upload a CD image to an email account and hand out the password.
:-)
Also a good way to backup those music CD's.
My .co.uk account was upgraded a couple of days ago.
Now when are Apple going to follow suit and up the paltry 15mb e-mail storage I get for $99 a year!!!
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While this competition is mild in terms of upgrading existing technology it is these types of competitions I've been expecting from the tech industry.
-AMD vs. Intel
-Apple MAC OS vs MS Windows vs Linux
-Nvidia vs ATi
-Playstation 3 vs X-Box 2 vs whatever the next big "N" system is...
I hope my ISP http://www.speakeasy.org follows suit!
Is there a max attachment size for messages?
I mean, you're absolutely right - storage costs next to nothing per-megabyte, and compression can make it go a lot farther. But consider it like this: almost all the free email services have 'free' and 'premium' offers, and the main thing that differentiates the free from the 'premium' is how much storage you get.
Now, when they give free customers >= 100MBytes of storage, there is less reason to pay for the premium service. So, until GMail came in and broke the cartel's artificial shortage, the email services could count on plenty of people coughing up the cash to get a useable amount of storage.At this point, given the above, why are they increasing their storage quotas? . . . Because if all the free & premium customers decided to move over to GMail (or at least a significant percentage of the user-base), then their current revenues would plummet fast. So, while they get a lot less money per 'free' customer (just the revenue they derive from advertising), by increasing the storage, they mostly take away the prime driver for people to go to GMail.
Predictions: now that GMail is eating away at their ability to sell 'premium' accounts with more storage, I expect that
Spymac is ungodly slow and their interface is terrible. As other posters have said, it's not just about the storage.
now I have 200mgs to look forward too
Even this "translation" is wrong:
The upgrade will increase Hotmail's free e-mail storage limits from 2 megabytes to 250MB
geesh...
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
IIRC, yahoo recently advertised an "image free" interface. Never use it myself, but I just checked and there's only a couple of small gifs on the page.
The email services could afford to do this because storage is already very inexpensive. I don't believe increased demand by a few webmail providers would be enough to influence the actions of the manufacturers (unless one donates a slew of drives so it can say 'FooWebMail runs on Hinky Hard Drives!').
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
first off, Spymac sucks. but that's just opinion. it's opinion based on the experience that it's brutally slow, and the UI is terrible.
but "better code"???? go home astroturfer... actually I can't imagine that this is astroturf it's so bad.
this is laughable. GMail is well thought out, and incredibly responsive (even in Beta)
Spymac is teh suck. never seen a free mail service unstable like that. most of the time it's offline or bouncing mails. they just did it for the show without having the resources or a real plan for it.
Google may be the poster child for a 'good' corporation but the roll-out of the gmail system is most definitely not one of the better acheievements. By pre-announcing gmail so far in advance, all the other free providers have now upped their storage. While gmail is still not publicly available.
The barriers to switching email address are high; no one wants to ditch the address they may have been using for seven years. gmail's real selling point was the extra storage, but with that advantage negated I don't see so many people likely switch.
Compare with this scenario:
gmail carries out large scale internal testing, carries out a low-key public beta (no additional invites, etc.) and then BOOM! Press announcement "gmail is up and running!!!" . Users now flock to the service because the other providers don't currently offer anything like the storage space of gmail.
the gmail rollout could definitely be handled better. aside from the goolgle fanboys, how many regualr hotmail/yahoo useres will switch now that hotmail/yahoo have increased storage?
it is. the main reason i use gmail is because of its speed.
i don't have to download spam mail from my isp which can take a while on a 56k connection of you have >150 spam emails. With google not only does it sort the spam nicely and out the way, it stops me having to download the body of the email.
Couple that with the other great features of gmail and the fact that i won't fill it and i don't have much reason to use my isp's email address.
The only time i use my isp's email address is for job and university applications.
And completely useless. My email account there does not receive a single message. After some outages and weird behaviour like 3 days to get a message sent to SELF it simply got dormant. Now every single message sent to that address goes AWOL.
The hosting thing is really tricky to work. Expect 2 weeks before your account is set up. I know it's a free service but I think they went overboard on the "1gig" announcement and couldn't handle the load. They are not Google, you know.
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Didn't GOOGLE take this April's Fool Joke too far ?
We should thank them for getting everyone to push the standard on web mail storage.
This would be the BEST April's Fool I know of.
Facts about MSN Hotmail
1. They will only give you more space if two (or more) competitors give you at least 50 times more MB. (Y!Mail: 100MB, MSN Hotmail: 2MB)
2. If someone tries to send you an email from a non-Hotmail, 99% of his or her email messages are bounced back with reason "action failed".
3. From time to time, they will put JavaScript code in MSN's Website so non-IE browsers (such as Opera) can't access MSN.com. They will do it in a way that it appears that Opera (or other browsers) suck.
Now imagine if Google drops the project!
\m/
Yes, 10mbyte for the entire message.
So Google and others want to offer a 1GB e-mail service with indexing and searchability. Well, that's fine and dandy as far as ideas go, but you have to remember that this means your mail being stored on someone else's server; possibly for longer than you wanted -- and no way of being sure it's been deleted when you no longer want it.
I'm thinking about rolling my own searchable e-mail archive. And it won't be limited to one poxy gigabyte, either! I could register a domain and point the MX to my TV cable broadband connection, but the IP address is not guaranteed truly static, so there's a possibility that mail could get lost or even wind up on someone else's box -- so I'll trust my existing PO3 connection for now, counting it as another reason to add to my list in favour of a "proper" (read: business class) broadband connection. Next I'll hack Spamassassin to bits: when I'm done, it will store the header info and spamminess test results in a MySQL database, and the body in a text file. While I'm at it, I'll index the attachments in terms of mime type and encoding into another database. Finally, I'll set up some scripts to manage searching according to my databases and body contents.
Eventually -- which is to say, once I can go a month without resorting to phpMyAdmin or grep -- I'll release it; probably under a BSD-like licence, but with this extra little clause: "Any redistribution of the software or derived work in binary form must be accompanied by an offer of the source code, to be valid until the lapse of copyright on the work in question".
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they upgraded to FreeBSD 5.2.1+vinum nice one...
> I have 5 gmail invites, with no one to send them to. If anybody wants one, send me a note.
;-)
Ah, the modern way to harvest email addresses.
Just dangle gmail invites and they come running.
Is it just me or these new huge free email accounts serve as a zero cost online backup solution, for example your digital photos?
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While 1GB of storage is nice, it's certainly not the only reason I like Gmail. Features like "Search", "Labels", "Conversations", "Keyboard Shortcuts", and a lightning-fast interface help leverage the 1GB of storage enabling me to easily and quickly find and manage my email information in ways I never could.
Also, and sometimes more importantly, Gmail's ads are so unobtrusive and relevent that implementations like Hotmail and Yahoo Mail seem like complete jokes with their flashy, intrusive, irrelevent ads.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
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Yahoo! Mail... no strings attached, good service (FreeBSD)
Gmail... strings attached (some of them are not hidden), too much noise (a Linux distro)
MSN Hotmail... poor service, strings attached (most of them hidden)
The US continually bought more and more weapons, which it would never use, so that Russia would follow suit -- until Russia bankrupted itself.
Gmail only has a couple of thousand users, so it can continue upping it's storage. Hotmail & Yahoo follow suit, but with it's million users, they asplode!
Unless I can store MP3s, videos and general USEFUL stuff on it when I reboot and can't be bothered to burn then why the hell do I need a gig of space for my e-mail?
my average e-mail is 2-5kb, I'm not even going to do the maths to fill my G mail account..
I like muppets.
Google move was to give not only a big enough (?) space for mail, but also a interface to effectively deal with it, and...well, google to search within.
Is like those pills that have "the vitamin C of 40 lemons" or something similar, you can handle that in that way, will feel like a pill but will have the amount you need, but if a "traditional" vendor gives you to eat 40 lemons to get that amount of vitamin C at the same price, and try to eat all of this you will end with problems. The "content" will be the same, but in a way that will be hard to deal with it.
Yes, Yahoo! has upgraded their service in other countries. At least in Europe.
I'd certainly appreciate one... (i'd have to change webmail anyway soon enough)
zalminen.city@fi
for those of you who want 1 gig without waiting for gmail, try Runbox for $30 a year... They just decided to upgrade their service (obv. because of gmail) and it will be 1 gig july 1st according to their news page.
That would be really great!
if you still have one, I would be really happy to get one...
hendrik.gmx@net
Or have I got the reference to Darleks(sp?) wrong ?
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Yes, for $19.99 per year. Gmail is free. Even if Gmail charged for its service, the ads are not only unobtrusive, but they are often useful. Because they are relevent and targeted to the message content, it's sometimes useful to have instant access to related companies. Persinall, this is how *I* want advertizing. Intrusive, annoying ads like Hotmail and Yahoo Mail are just plain so last century.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
Ah, spoken like someone who doesn't yet have a Gmail account. The extra space is the *least* impressive thing about Gmail.
Gmail will succeed because it's interface is a radical improvement not only over webmail, but of email in general. I wish my standard email client had half the features Gmail has, and given time I'm sure it will.
Just like word of mouth spread that Google was a fantastic search engine that did things better than all the others, so too will word spread that Gmail's interface is far and away superior to what the others are offering. Hotmail/Yahoo could offer a terabyte of free space, and I'd still use Gmail because its interface is that good.
Hey I'd love an invite!
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Cheers!
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Years of email sit in my hard drive. I won't move them to Google, even though I work for an ISP and thus enjoy 100Mbps to our peering and transit neighbours.
In fact, the following did not produce a result until after a few minutes:
Please invite me for a GMAIL account... I'm sick of hotmail and libero.
Please invite me, mailing to:
sickofmicrosoft@libero.it
Immensely grateful,
Tux
... I forgot something! You probably guessed it but I'm writing it for those who didn't guess it...
MSN Hotmail... poor service, strings attached (most of them hidden) (Windows)
GMail's rollout appears to have a two-pronged approach: 1) Force other e-mail providers into costly capital expenditures. remember, 1gb of space initially for a couple thousand invitees is still less than 250 mb for millions of users. MS and yahoo's teams will no doubt be prodded to recoup their capital expenditures for all users, while gmail can stay lean and mean as long as it wants, while at the same time dictate the market structure. 2) generate ginormous buzz. As others have said, "why not go to spymac?" The answer for John Q. public lies in the difference in brand equity between spymac and google. If an average user has decided to make a switch over to a new e-mail provider, johndoe@gmail.com is "worth" more than johndoe@spymac.com, regardless of features.
Backup your Hotmail account
I got a webserver doing 100 000 hits / month on one site that also host a genealogy database... the whole thing holds 800Mo on a 10 Gig hdd, system included...
maybe you just gave me an idea to a nice disaster recovery/backup plan....
now if someone can send me this gmail invite everyone is speaking about
knewbie at jadwio.com 8)
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I already have a GMail account and labels are way better than folders. I use it for mailing lists, so it makes things much easier to track. Competition is good. Maybe it will force the others to really think about how to innovate and improve email.
Will they be removing this super annoying footer/signature messages (Provided by Yahoo!)? We already know it's provided by Yahoo!, that's what the @yahoo.com Email address is for!!
Bryan
Invest in some solid state storage, man. When I reboot, all my data stays on the hard disk (cue spooky music) >:P
Mail and storage are just the beginning. If Google really tried to develop an OS, it would give Microsoft a run for their money. I don't know if they would do it or not. But they definitely have the power to scare the competition in other areas.
I will venture here (or remind those who think that way already) that the real issue is about "owning" everyone's personal files, **not just email**. So the Gig battles are just the opening salvo. Having your files easily accessible from anywhere without you having to lug your laptop or a hard drive *is* useful.
.. recently said, we dont need to run a power generator in every home to get electricity; simialrly why would we need to maintain a server with all its headaches.
/Win comparisons didnt fairly compare systems of the same price, and that the Palm-Handspring thing was for Palm to get into cell phone territory FAST - in hindsight, that was confirmed)
I'd like to hear about alternatives and what this means for the IT/ISP players in the next few years. To elucidate on all this:
It doesnt take a Ph.D to add 1 + 2; and maybe consider a more standards driven approach as in (3)
(1)Microsoft, Yahoo, eBay, Amazon, etc. all want to have your personal info for targeted advertising. Both Microsoft and Apple are researching a system whereby all the info in your hard drive is easily searchable.
(2)All indications are that most computing will soon be delivered over the (internet) pipes, with broadband available everywhere. ( SUN's original motto, then IBM's, now everyone's)
Well, personally, until the dust settles on the privacy issues I wouldnt mind having a GMail account to use as "light" personal/business info internet folder.
I use my own server VPN connection meantime, so I can already always access all my files from anywhere. But i dont see it being a practical mode for the majority of users - as
(3)which goes back to the issue, might it not be better in the meantime for all ISP's to adopt a standard user-friendly personal data repository, possibly mirroring what the user has at home/office ?
Andre
PS. Slightly off topic, on a personal note: if I'm on target on this issue, that would make it 3 out of 3. (previous posts indicated that the MAC
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I agree with some of it. But, I've never gotten anyone complaining about my mail getting lost, and the mail works just fine in Firefox for me. I know there were some issues (or still are) with Opera, though.
I honestly just use hotmail for my junk mail though, it isn't used for anything important.
...your hardware of choice is reflected in the doman! Surely that intangible is well worth all the money. Or at least, that's what Apple is banking on.
The pain was excruciating and the scarring is likely permanent, but that just means it's working.
Oooo bribing for codes... uhm... crap, I have nothing good... if you're feeling nice and have an extra invite, drop one to brad at fubarpa.com.
"Well, I am mad, and I'm a crazy fucka when it comes to tea"
Argh, now all my crappy accounts have tons of space, but I still can't try out gmail. :( It's a conspiracy, as I've never gotten an Orkut invite either. :|
As requested:
you wouldn't per chance like to send me a gmail invite would you?
this is my slashdot email account, the other was my personal ISP. Thanks to the wonders of alias they all end up at the same place. On a completely unrelated note I have never been spammed at the slashdot address, the fudging must work.
(Maybe I should take that back)
I have a friend who has a paid Yahoo! account and I sent him an invite while he was over at my place. He logged in to Yahoo! to retrieve the invite (which of course had been placed in the Spam folder, but that's neither here nor there). When he finally found it and got signed up he couldn't stop talking about how cool Gmail was, how fast it was, thanks a lot for the invite, etc. etc.
Then the next day Yahoo! upped their space for paid users to 2 gigs or whatever it was, and all the sudden he was gloating about "I have TWO gigs!".
Yeah, man. Two gigs of a service you were blasting yesterday for being slow and inferior. Whatever.
I guess the point is that to some extent these carrots are working, and they're able to make users forget their pain by offering more space.
I have faith that in time he'll remember how fast his Gmail account is and start moving over there. Our friends and family can be extracted from the dark side - it'll just take some work.
Oh, what? You don't have a Gmail account yet? Well, I gots four invites left - hit me up at kevinomara bat gmail mot com.
After couples months, most of them declared a free "large space" emails are "unmaintainable". Sina decreased their account from 50M to 5M, and even a company called 263 canceled their free email service, "As a professional ISP, we dont need click rate from the unrelated public" they explained the reason something like that.
Till now etang still provides unlimited space email access if you pay about 40 USD a year(Sorry, it is Chinese). But most people never interest it.
Regarding my previous experiense, a "unlimited" email space is not the key point attacting public to their service. The more important question is : HOW LONG?
hey. i'd like one too - nothing like experiencing the real thing -
Cheerios
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Now I just have to consider weather GMails interface is gonna be worth the change...
Please invite me for a GMAIL account... I could really use the extra storage
Please invite me, mailing to:
paul_hutschemaekers@hotmail.com
Immensely grateful,
Meester
I think what Google is attempting to do with all that storage is get *life* users, i.e. people that will end up archiving 5, 10, or dare I say it, 15 years worth of email. In that span, I could see that 1GB of space coming in handy. One thing that I think Google could do to get me 100% on board would be a way to back up my email archive to my local PC. Not that i'm worried (*right now*) of Google going under, but who know's, 5 or 10 years from now when iv'e amassed a few hundred megs of email.....
Now, I haven't used Gmail, but what makes searching your email through Gmail any better than a grep? (or any old indexed search if you prefer). The POINT of the Google search algorithm is to rely on cross-references between items in the search space to determine which items are the most likely to be important.
There are no cross-references between emails.
(well, besides In-Reply-To, which is not too tough -- finding the first email in a thread is not particularly hard).
I usually search the _web_ for something I don't know a lot about in order to find out more about it. But when I search my email, it is because I am trying to remember a specific detail of a certain conversation. I have to know a word or two in the email in both cases in order to find it anyway.
My pet peeve. May be a little pedantic, but I do wish people would stop saying memory when they mean disk space or storage. Now it seems that ZDNet has gotten into this habit as well. Check out the link in the original post. I wonder how many times this happens to us in Tech support. I feel like pulling a McLaughlin on them; shouting "Wrong" and hanging up.
Look what happens when you search google for the keyword "gmail" - this site comes up third!
http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
Good on google for not censoring it, Cant imagine MS would allow that..
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
i quit hotmail after they lost my data a few weeks ago...
so what would happen when they offer 250mb and wipe it out for no reason!
don't use hotmail!!!
I just got a Gmail account. All I can say is WOW. It is so much better then yahoo and hotmail. The shortcut keys, the mail presentation, the CLEAN interface... Just simple and fast, like google itself
At least thats how often I have to rejoin the bloody thing. Backup is useless when they keep deleting your account.
I used to trust Eudoramail but it has totally crapped out now.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
And grow fat? then slow down to a crawl just like Yahoo! Mail and Hotmail??? Better hope gMail doesn't. ^^
I totally agree with that. I don't like the invite system at all. I do have a GMail account (for testing), but i hate the perceived elitism that the invite system creates. Why should anyone who knows the right geeks be offered the first choice to pick a good username? To me this is completely unfair. This and the privacy invading advertising system (just wait until they start using your complete e-mail archive for advertising!) have lowered my opinion of Google.
That is an awful lot of spam
The site where: "I'm right, as long as you ignore the things that prove me wrong", became a valid method of debate.
Anyone knows whether FastMail will follow the generous-1Gb move and when?
... will Google have tie-ins to my IM client (for inbox notifications) and a homepage where I can combine my mail with my stock quotes and all the other stuff I currently do on Yahoo?
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
I can't stand webmail. Where are the IMAP hosts. Paid, free, whatever, just want somebody to IMAP host "myname@mydomain.com". I don't want yet another email/gmail/hotmail e-mail address.
MORTAR COMBAT!
I keep all my old emails. I'm a nut - I have them going back to the early 90s.
I want them all to be online, all the time. I also want to be able to use anything to get at them, to me that means imap. I don't trust myself or my isp to run my own mail server.
I want to pay someone like google or yahoo $20-$30/yr for a few GB of space that can also send mail on behalf of my domain. And have it be imap accessible, too. That way I can always move it and back it up.
When will that happen?
Anyone do it now?
On a sidenote, I've been using yahoo/yahoopops for a while - I like the sync with outlook features that yahoo provides. If google can start adding all the other portal features (briefcase, notepad, real address book, calendar), then they've got something.
"I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix." -Former Vice President Dan Quayle
yeah, hotmail really sucks, not just because of the lack of space, not just that.
among other things, its completely bloated, full of crap, takes an eternity to refresh every page.
What about the "server too busy" annoing message so often?
BTW, i am tired it also cripples the mails (e.g. try forwarding an graphic-emedded mail, you just lose all the GFX, or HTML-formatted mails)
It sucks.
Up tu now, Yahoo never disappointed at all. Cheers to Yahoo for its technological innovations, crap-free, availability and everything else hotmail lacks of. Those guys rule.
Can I get one too, please.
guruno1 at hotmail dot com
Of course, I was (am) paying $19.95 a year for 10 measely gigabytes, so there has to be some other benefit :)
(I use the hotmail account strictly as a backup account.. for this reason, it is quite good that it does not fill up with junk as I routinely go weeks without checking it)
My main address is a hotmial account, and I'm still using it. Why? One main reason: Gmail can't be accessed through Thunderbird (Techincally hotmail cant eaither but at least there's a 3rd party program to do it)
I realize the best part of gmail is in its web interface with search things and whatnot, but right now I don't particularly care to use any of that, and I don't want to ahve to browse to a site to check it, just open Tbird and check it with all my other addresses
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
And just to add a little twist to this comment, imagine of MS was doing what Google is doing. People would be screaming bloody murder and citing the reason I cited above. Sort of sad really....
You've completely forgotten 1 important thing: google is an honest company. From there on you can't compare this to if MS was doing the same thing.
Even with 250megs of hotmail storage I know they're just going to sell the address to a spammer anyway!
bums
Mailinator.com
No account sign-up, no password, just type in any user account name you can think of and check the email for it. Works great for the bazillion or so sites out there that have "free registration" but require a valid email address. All emails are deleted after a few hours.
And grow fat? then slow down to a crawl just like Yahoo! Mail and Hotmail??? Better hope gMail doesn't.
This seems unlikely since the main Google search page has been around for years and is still lean and fast. That is, of course, as long as the corporate culture remains the same (Hello IPO!).
Sure, for the dialup community.
Then Yahoo and Hotmail will offer low-res versions.
TK
Can I get one please.
guruno1 at hotmail dot com
GMail is simply the best webmail, hands down, on all fronts. And its still beta!
Oh, damn it, that's about 1/12 of a bit!
Facts about n0dez's post
1. He posted no proof.
2. He got modded up for making assertions which might be true, but as there is no proof, how do we know?
3. Via anecdotal evidence of my Hotmail account, n0dez's fact number 2 is wrong.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
One thing I haven't seen many people comment on is G-Mails spell checker on mails. You hit spell check and it works like Word where you click on each word that is highlighted and it gives you popup options. The best spell checker by far of any of the major 3. Also the Tagline is gone on sent mail!!!!!!!
Google ups diskspace on their free membership email system to 1TB to top Hotmail's 500GB
About the only thing I can really complain about Gmail is that it's so heavily reliant on Javascript. It'd be really nice if it worked through a text-based browser.
They are working on creating a pure HTML version.
I want Google Instant Messenger. And I want it this year. Google has proven that they are the Internet company that can innovate (instead of just talking about innovation, like a certain company whom I will not name but is run by Bill Gates). Now it's time to do something innovative in the Instant Messenger arena. And perhaps if they were the first "big name" to tie into Jabber, the other three would be forced to do so as well!
Tired of FB/Google censorship? Visit UNCENSORED!
How bout little old me? I promise to be good!
pozmuscleguy at comcat dot net
Says TFA:
"This time, however, Yahoo said it will continue changing its protocols to prevent clients such as Trillian from finding new ways to incorporate Yahoo."
So it's obvious that clients like Gaim, Kopete and Trillian need to come up with a scheme to keep up. It would seem prudent to have a feature that detects a failure to connect, asks the user if he would like to update the Yahoo protocol plugin, and if yes, downloads and installs it automatically, and then connects successfully. It just takes some manpower to keep the plugins up to date, but this would be coordinated by a cross-client task force that would share information on the latest protocol changes.
Of course, one can wonder if all this is really worth it. One day the whole world will be on Jabber (except we will rarely call it Jabber since it's so ubiquitous), and we will tell tales to our children of those days when we couldn't necessarily communicate with other IM users since there were competing (!) systems, and IM communication companies spent resources on trying to prevent communication. And they'll smile politely and think "old age has caught up with gramps." (and then they'll fly home in their cars, but that's another story)
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
The cost of bulk disks is around $0.80 a gigabyte. This expansion will cost Hotmail about $0.20 er user, presuming the customer would fill it. I wonder how it takes for advertising revenue to pay for this. About one week?
We're allowed one.
We are currently not accepting new registrations. Accounts can be purchased in our store (http://www.aventuremail.co.uk/store) in the mean time.
But thanks for all the fish anyways...
MyWay's email service has been banner ad free since the beginning. Now the 120MB boost (from 6MB) simply sweetens the deal.
I'd say that if you can't get a GMail invite, grab a MyWay account - it's the next best thing.
As for MSN Hotmail, the jump from 2MB to 250MB is impressive. However, this will only serve to slow the mass migration from Hotmail to GMail. I think the same principle applies to Yahoo! Mail.
It amuses me that Yahoo, Hotmail, et al are rushing high storage accounts into place. Google's 1GB storage served to get everyone's attention but that's not what's generating the buzz, anymore. The simple fact of the matter is that it's a superior product. The interface is clean, elegant and functional. The search features and the utility of labels place it well beyond the competition. Finally, the lack of obnoxious flashing banner ads makes it pleasant to use.
I had a Hotmail account for years. I wouldn't go back to them if they offered me an exabyte of storage and free gift certificates for the rest of my life.
YOU! Can save my soul from the eternal damnation and endless pain that is hotmail!
loraksus at yahoo.com
(damn hotmail account will probably be full of spam by the time someone sees this)
thanks in advance. . .
"GMail came in and broke the cartel's artificial shortage"
can Google get into the diamond business and make DeBeers stop charging us so much for blood diamonds???
Not hard. I've had my own business internet connection for my home. I've moved on average once a year for the past 4 years, yet my static business connection is always there for me, and my email follows me easily because it's all IMAP.
Now that I have DSPAM integrated, I don't even need to use a good IMAP client like Thunderbird. I can use anything and know that my email is already filtered and in tip-top shape!
--
Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
talk about thanking god for gmail! i'm probably stating the obvious but i think that gmail has really been a catalyst for effectiveness...
it has had the effect of pushing the slow and often-times-ineffective monopolistic huge corporations. somehow i get the image of a fat guy at microsoft who works for hotmail who used to sit down on his chair munching on a donut while chatting with his mom... now has to actually put down the half-eaten donut, say 'bye' to his mom and get to work.
The funniest part about Gmail so far was when I logged into my account for the first time. Gmail sends you a message when you open your account, with the subject "Gmail is different. Here's what you need to know." I opened that message and noticed that one of the ads along the right side read:
That's comedy, right there.
Seriously, though, I moved my totally non-techie father over yesterday, too. He'd gotten sick of Hotmail's paltry 2MB limit. Now MSN says they'll up it to 250MB early next month. Sounds like too little, too late to me.
"The real good stuff comes in the form of a clean and fast interface..."
Ummm, clean yes, fast no. It's a buggy piece of shit so far, and I'm not the only one that's noticed. It times out a LOT, and I'm already tired of the "Oops, there's been an error, try again in 30 seconds" messages. And I get this from multiple locations, and I'm getting similar reports from other friends that use it.
It may eventually turn out to be the greatest thing sinced sliced white bread, but it's got a long way to go before the bugs are fixed. I know it's a beta, but I'm dissapointed in the quality at this point.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
I've been a loyal user of netaddress since '97 or so - I can't even remember, but it's been a long time. When they switched to a pay-only service (remember the "Always free!" moniker so many dot-bombs used back then?) I gladly paid to keep my address.
Now it seems every service but netaddress is expanding their size - funny, my renewal is up with them soon, and their tech support says that their 10MB for $50 a year is worth it because of the awesome tech support they give.
Do we really need awesome tech support on an e-mail account???
Umm, Yahoo has searching now, at least for the subscriber email (19.99 a year).
"He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil."
The only prob is I gotta wait for an Invite.
:(
This could take years, I don't know anyone with a gmail account.
There is a lot of conspiracy theories on how google is forcing MSN and Yahoo! into capital expenditures for allowing their users to go from 4-6MB to 100-250 MB. This begs the question: How many users DOES gmail have? From the frequency of invitest that we've seen and not too mention all the users of blogger.com, there's got to be over 1 million users.
While that is not as much compared to the 100+m for the MSN and Yahoo free customers, most of those are just dummy spam-bait accounts anyway so don't really require that much space.
Since google offers 4-10 times the size to begin with, the capital investment should be comparable. Tho google is probably more efficient at taking advantage of current tech for this because this was planned for them while the others are just catching up.
Could you or someone who has a spare invite option please invite me? I'm duying to try the gmail, and I'd be very thankful. alexkra@bezeqint.net Thanks a lot.
I'd really like to know if any of these services offers email backup. What happens when a disk fails? Surprisingly I havent seen it mentioned in any past gmail discussions by the /. crowd.
My only question before I shift to gmail is...does it support Lynx/Links (text based browsers).
Cheers..
I use the "old" Yahoo mail interface, with images and javascript off, and it's slick as hell even on dialup.
You'd think since bandwidth is at least SOME of the cost of doing business online, they'd WANT to keep the size of what's served down to a dull roar??!
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Doesn't it seem like anyone who has been paying for Yahoo or Hotmail has been totally getting ripped off? It's obvious now that their product as of a couple months ago was half a hack, considering what they are able to offer today. Thanks, Google, for bitchslapping the companies that have been bitchslapping their customers.
Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology; Ain't got time to make no apology
Watch all the competition run themselves into the ground spending lots and lots of $$ scrambling to buy up hardware to try and keep up
With all of these storage increases by all of these email providers, I have a feeling that the harddrive manufacturers are laughing their asses off right now....all the way to the bank
Write a program that does http. Have it load up the gmail pages and parse them and such (exercise left to the reader) until you see a URL that looks like this:& view=tl &start=0&init=1&zx=XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
http://gmail.google.com/gmail?search=inbox
With the "XXXXX" replaced by some form of key.
In the source of that page, you'll find a bit of text that looks like this:
D(["ds",1,0,0,0,0,0]
D is a javascript function, but frankly you don't care.. The first number after the "ds" (in this case, 1) is the number of unread mails you have in your inbox. Reload this from time to time and check that number. Simple as that.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
When I read the story I thought "what the heck".
I can understand that Google offers an e-mail account with a 1GB storage (it was a great publicity deal, and the Google founders were - and probably are still - at least partly geeks.
But now honestly speaking, I agree that ~2MB is too small, ~10MB sound ok for users that don't get many attachments, ~50MB are good, ~100MB are comfortable for almost everyone, BUT what are you going to do with 250MB+ of e-mail storage space (well, except illegal activities or storing Pr0n - "honey, I just gotta check my e-mail" er... )?
I think its great that many providers upgrade from they measly space allocations (2MB at hotmail, 6MB at Yahoo etc.) but I fear many will overdo it, just to make sure they don't "lose out" to Google's Gmail, and have to face the consquences sooner or later (reducting storage again -> public backlash, not reducing -> being exploitet by "power users")
+++ MELON MELON MELON +++ Out of Cheese Error +++ redo from start +++
HI!
Can someone invite me to gmail please!
Thanx. ok!me 2 clever!!!
forgive!
my email is : slashdrop(at)yahoo(dot)com
In other news, most of the enlarged free storage offered on hotmail will be used to store free enlargement offers.
We'll still be limited to 2MB attachements...
Like most things Google creates, gmail spent too much time in "beta". They should have opened the flood gates and then everyone would already be lined up with Google. Now I already have my existing 100 megs on my Yahoo! account which I'm perfectly fine with. If Google gave me an account last week I would have switched and not looked back. Granted this beta hasn't been out very long, but the company tends to let their beta software stay in beta for too long.
I have a few spare invitations.. But I'm not a beautiful woman, sorry
redune.com: The World 3.2 Megapixels at a time
I'm confused. If he "never uses it" and "just checked", you're implying he paid $19.99 just to look at the image layout. On my free yahoo account, there are a few gifs (~1k, 25x25) on the left hand side, and an ad banner across the top. The current banner happens to be flash, so I can't get much info about it without exerting effort.
That would be like the gas prices dropping to $0.02 a gallon. Somebody made a major fuckup somewhere.
I don't know what I was doing wrong, but the other night I was trying to get my girlfriend a yahoo account so she could email her dad, who now has an email. I thought yahoo would be nice so she could have her own webpage as well where she could put family pictures and crapola like that. Man, I ate cookies,like half a dozen of them, allowed scripts, took all images, all that happened is I got trapped in a loop that kept taking me back to a login screen. I even changed the password again, thinking I made a mistake, nope, still wouldn't work. She, not needing tons of features or space, I then went over to netscape and got one there, no problems. Has there been a problem with yahoo lately anyone know, or was there an ID 10 T error between the keyboard and monitor?
;)
No way did I want a hotmail account, just don't like them no more...
ya, I know, really set myself up on that one....
You measure your email in milligrams?
It is simply too much work to determine whether a post is truly redundant. Reading in flat time-stamp order is confusing and reading threaded makes you lose track of the time sequence. I simply skip any item that has been modded redundant.
What will Google do next? How about "Google Linux". They've already got a killer reputation among the /. crowd, they're innovating thinkers, they have the industry by the ears, and they have money to blow.
Sounds like a match made in heaven.
WeRelate.org - wiki-based genealogy
Constantly I hear the 'how could google afford to give 1000 Mb argument' and it's really quite stupid.
When did hotmail come out? I can't even recall but i got my 'before microsoft' hotmail account 8 and a half years ago. Now, at the time, if i recall, teh survice provided 1 Mb of e-mail. Since then, there has been virtually no improvement in services. So, 10 years later,a company provides 1000 Mb of free e-mail. Even if everyone uses all the space they are granted, Google is still earning money. And so is their competition. Had microsoft and yahoo been scaling their services along with computer memory inflation, google would hardly have been making a jump at all
If microsoft loses money, it will be because people are switching to google, not because they are forced to give out more mmemory then they can afford. Had they not been lazy or had decent competition all these years, there would be no danger of a sudden collapse. It's like a fish that's moved from cold water to hot water too fast, it's heart explodes. Google caught them off guard and didn't provide a suitable buffer.
Of course the average person still remains skeptical. A gigabyte still sounds huge, especially when you are primarily filling it up with small flat text files
The Neo-Bohemian Techno-Socialist
... and Hotmail/Y!/Lycos don't seem to understand that it is not just about the space. I have about 1800 e-mails in my Gmail account right now that take up about 160Mb of space and if it weren't for Gmail's great search capabilities, multiple labels per e-mail message and automatic filtering/sorting I would be a lot of trouble every time I went looking for an e-mail. Instead it is quite easy to locate pretty much anything. Anyways, if you don't have Gmail yet I suggest you read my poorly articulated collection of thoughts on the matter. I try to emphasize some of the great things (besides 1Gb storage that I don't even mention) about Gmail that make it better than other webmails.
Now I need to send myself 250 MB so that I can keep my hotmail inbox full and not get any junk mail into that. The only reason I have for keeping that address is that a lot of my friends only use msn :S
they have now given me enough space to store all my spam i get at hotmail.
presmike
Well that sucks... What's the point of having 2gb of storage if you can only send 10 megabytes at a time? That's not even an entrte shareware game, and it's only two or three photos at full resolution, even with jpeg compression, out of my camera.
Hey There,
Apparently disk storage is so cheep we offer it free to the bio-mass.
Why not free FTP sites?
Or anything else that requires disk storage!?
Cheers,
-- The Dude
You haven't tried it, you say? Here's a free account! Just copy and paste this URL in your browser...
gmail.google.com/gmail/a-eacf0b6e4e-83a1bdf2b9
Hope you grab it before someone else does!
So... let's see... Hotmail has about 120Million subscribers, times 250MB - or a 1/4GB - that will give us what... about 30 Petabytes?! That's not chump change even for Uncle Gates. (Any cost estimates?!) Obviously, they are relying on the fact that the overwhelming majority of these accounts will never use anywhere close to 250MB. Still, as people stop cleaning up their mailboxes, and start sending more gargantuan attachements, it will probably start to hurt them soon...
Unlike parent of parent, for a GMail invite, I am very flexible.
I was surprised to discover a couple of severe limitations to my GMail account. 1) Attachment size is limited to 10MB. 2) Email attachments such as .exe and other "suspicious" files are not transferred. This includes files placed in achives (.zip, .tar, .tgz, .taz, .z, .gz) formats.
In other words, I'm stuck storing a few pictures, a couple of mp3s per message, and a heck of a lot of source code.
Unfortunate, because I was hoping to use GMail as a very effective archive tool for stuff I want to keep.
So this is like a technology cold war... However, instead of a nuclear arms race, it's an email capacity race...
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
Funny you should mention that. Google is working on a plain HTML alternative to their javascript interface as we speak. I found this out by writing their comments/suggestion department recommending a keyboard shortcut for deleting emails. Yes, I know, you're theoretically never supposed to NEED to delete an email. But this isn't as cut and dry an issue as it may seem.
Think about it, when you do get spam, or a note-to-self, or just some assinine comment from a friend, do you WANT that email archived? I don't. In fact, I want it deleted. The keyboard shortcuts feature of gmail puts it head and shoulders above all the other free email clients I've tried. Everybody write in with your suggestions to gmail if you agree!
IMHO, yahoo and msn has fallen into a big trap. Though, the cost of 1GB is $1 these days, scale it to 40+ million users, you are talking fat dough here. Google's ads have a higher click-thru and are relatively give G more $/click compared to all these silly banners in Yahoo Mail & Hotmail.. Me thinks, the only one who know what they doing are Google..they have a solid plan to monetize for sure.
Even the DSL provider SBC is going to boost their storage to 100mb for mail accounts. I'd still rather have a gmail invite though.
Now instead of fulfilling my plan of spending 2 hours going through all my old mail on what I need and what I don't, I no longer have to...I can wait another year or so and put my summer holidays aside to do it instead!
Groan...Don't you think the only reason they want you to have larger email boxes is so that you can receive the future advertisement containing full-screen video?
Karem
When all is said and done, nothing changes...
They're the Levi's in the Gmail rush.
I'm stuck using Hotmail for a while, even though I have plenty of newer, easier to use email addresses because hotmail doesn't allow automatic email forwarding. I don't care much about storage space, but I would pay for hotmail premium if it would let me access my hotmail with POP3.
So how easy is it to use GMail to send encrypted email?
I'm guessing if you don't trust Google, then you have to encrypt locally and cut `n paste.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
I invite you all to Hotmail but can anyone invite me to Gmail? :-)
In 1962, President Kennedy and Soviet Leader Khrushchev worked together to prevent the Cuban Missile Crisis from escalating into World War III, which would likely have turned much of the Earth's land surface into a radioactive wasteland devoid of life and civilization....
Their thanks?
Kennedy is murdered in 1963 and Khrushchev is 'kicked out' and replaced by Bhreshnev in 1964.
In 1987, President Regan challenged Soviet Leader Gorbachev to 'tear down' the Berlin Wall. In 1989, it came down--perhaps symbolically ending the Cold War at that time....
Their thanks?
Naysayers downplay the efforts of Regan (and likely Gorbachev as well) to end the Cold War, detracting somewhat from their impact on world history.
What is all the fuss about email capacity? It is intrinsically nothing more than abstract, magnetically encoded zeroes and ones stored on spinning round metal platters inside hard disks.
Contrast that to what could have happened.... What world could have existed had the nuclear arms race between the USA and the USSR not end the way it did back then due largely in part through the work of these four men?...
Nowadays, due to the increase of terrorism and nuclear poliferation, will there be a day when life imitates art?
domain names are cheap from godaddy.com but I dont have a credit card. Ill give 2 invites for a domain.
I don't know about you, but I don't have time for 2G of email....spammers are drooling!
Nope.
Well, all I can say is when I log into my free Yahoo Mail account, the first thing I'm confronted with is a large Flash ad covering about 1/4 of the right side of the screen for some investment company. When I view a message, there is a large, animated Flash banner across the top of the screen. When I open an empty folder, I see a HUGE, static ad that takes up almost 1/2 of the screen for some Trip company. So my point is two-fold:
1. Yahoo Mail's ads are totally irrelevent for my needs--almost to the point of being insulting. Trips, Investing, Screensavers, High Speed Internet service. They're all pretty much the same--redundent and annoying. Gmail's ads are at least relevent or related to the message I'm reading.
2. You have to PAY $19.99 in order to eliminate the graphical ads. And I don't know if they still include "text" ads because their "Upgrade" information specifically states "Eliminate Graphical ads". Yes, Gmail includes ads, but they're text and tastefully done.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
as of this writing i have 2 invites left, tho i've been getting new ones on a fairly regular basis. If you're interested in one, just add yourself to the queue by looking for the appropriate GMail related post on meh blog.
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it's DESIGNED to be used from multiple IP addresses!
I will be able to go on vacation and come back without having my hotmail full and rejecting all mails:)