Same thing with Photoshop. It's really expensive, and gets pirated a lot. Instead, people could have bought Paint Shop Pro or downloaded The Gimp.
That's the way it works with applications (though I don't agree with your DOS/Windows example). Games are slightly different, because they don't directly compete with each other (except in scattered cases, like HL2 versus Doom 3). In this case, we assume that people pirate games from both small publishers and large ones (not exactly a stretch). The large ones can take the hit in profits, but the small ones can't, so they go out of business.
As far as the argument itself goes, it's something I haven't heard before, but it still seems to rely on the idea that all piracy translates into lost profits (which is almost certainly not true). I do agree that if you're going to pirate, you're better off pirating the big games and buying the small ones (assuming that the small ones are worth buying, obviously).
Rob (There's also the fact that just because pirates allow publishers to charge $50 a game doesn't mean that the publishers have to)
where is the satisfaction for these kids in cheating?
Then you say:
the rush from winning- that's addictive.
I think you answered your own question.
That's probably only the case with the script kiddies, though. The people who write cheats probably get more satisfaction out of seeing how well their cheats work, as I said in my other post in this thread.
Note to the people who replied negatively to and modded down the parent: He never said that kickbanning the cheater when you catch him isn't a valid response. I'm sure at least some cheat writers have most of their fun seeing how long they can cheat before they get caught. It's like a metagame that involves the cheater versus the administrator instead of player versus player.
Given that you think "fag" and "nigger" are ok, i wouldn't expect you to think twice about words that denigrate women, whites, or rural folks. I think that says more about you than it does about the words.
Yes, it says that I'm a rational individual who tries not to hold to preconceived notions of what other people may be trying to express.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are neither black nor gay and that you probably don't have many black friends or friends who admit to you that they are gay.
Ignoring the horribly cliched "OMG HE'S DOESN'T TOE THE POLITICALLY-CORRECT LINE HE MUST BE RACIST" tone to this sentence, I find it interesting that you haven't asked whether or not I'm a woman, white, or rural.
Go ahead, ask.
Don't confuse the words that your friends let you get away with using for words that are neutral. Go ask a black man on the street if he minds if you call him "nigger." Go to an LGBTA meeting and ask them if they mind being called "fag" by heterosexuals, or if it bothers them that anything someone doesn't like can be called "gay."
I refer you to the part of my post where I suggested (using sarcasm) that emotional reactions do nothing to disprove my point.
Who's got it worse, people who get dirty looks when they say "fag," or people who are treated like second-class citizens every day of their life?
How many racist words do you know that have become less racially charged over time?
Honky? Cracker?
Oh, wait, those were never racially charged in the first place, because most white people don't explode when confronted with racial slurs. I guess they realize that the intentions are important, not the words used to express them.
Rob (Words, in and of themselves, don't have any fangs)
To associate those words with negative qualities is inherently homophobic.
So... insulting someone by calling that person a bitch would be inherently hateful towards female dogs? Or calling a person a cracker would be hateful towards saltines? Or how about "redneck," which used to be a perfectly respectable reference to sunburnt farmers?
I refer you back to the part of my post where I said that language changes.
Just becasue it has been applied to things that have no defined sexuality does not mean that it's suddenly a neutral term.
But the fact that more and more people are using the words without reference to actual sexuality does mean that it's becoming a neutral term. Just like how "nigger" is becoming a neutral term (though people try to be deceptive by spelling it "nigga").
I doubt it will be long before even the idea of a fantasy role-playing game featuring only one white male avatar will seem a strange, misguided aspect of our distant past.
In my day, you were lucky if you even had an avatar independent of your own personality. Remember, a lot of games had only one avatar because it was easier that way, not because of any "misguided" notions of how a character should act.
These words have a negative meaning because, and only because of their connection to gay people
Do you realize that "faggot" used to refer to a bundle of sticks, or that "gay" used to be a synonym of "happy"?
Language changes all the time. Just because something became an insult because of homophobia doesn't mean that it will always be an insult because of homophobia. Even now, a significant number of people use the word as an insult just because it's accepted as an insult; sexual orientation doesn't enter into it. After all, how does it make sense to call, for instance, Star Wars Galaxies gay in the homophobic sense when SWG doesn't even have a sexuality?
For all those people who believe that words like "nigger" and "fag" aren't related to their original meaning, I invite you to come to my neighborhood and start calling my neighbors "niggers". I wager you won't walk out intact.
Because, as we all know, emotion not only overrides logic, it disproves it.
The only people not willing to concede the above are the ten or so PC gamers who primarily use Mac or Linux.
Rob (Someday things may change. I'm not counting on it, though.)
Nice rebuttal to that "video game crash" article
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David Wong's main point was that the video game industry thrives on novelty, and that said novelty doesn't exist anymore now that we have fairly realistic real-time 3D capabilities. He forgot about the fact that graphics aren't the only novelty that gets gamers' attention. AI is arguably the weakest obvious element of gaming today, so near-future advancements in it would probably be as impressive as advancements in graphics were decades ago.
Chances are those people aren't all that serious about FPSes. If you don't really care about how well you play, then controllers are fine.
One is not inherently better than the other.
The assertion of one who has never actually tried playing the same game with both control methods. Try playing Rainbow Six, first on a console, then on the PC. Tell me which one is easier to play.
cough... Doom...cough
Oh, no, you've defeated my argument by mentioning a decade-old game!
Why? Because it has to do with the gaea, i.e. lifestream.
That's probably the main rehash, but there are others.
Most creative people find a niche, like Spielberg. He does WW2 movies mostly, because thats his thing, thats what he's into. No one ever says, "Great, one more WW2 movie from Spielberg." Instead it usually gets an applause. So whats the difference between the cat using his gaea ideas in several different creative pieces and Spielberg?
I'm not sure where you got the idea that there was anything wrong with this from my post. I was just pointing it out. I thought TSW was an OK movie, even if it wasn't very original.
10 minutes might not be enough time to make the adjustment. How long did it take you to learn to play first person shooters on your keyboard and trackball? I doubt you were an expert after 10 minutes. Possibly the millions of console FPS players are not all wrong. The controls can, and do work.
You forgot the word "poorly" in that last sentence. There's a reason why most console FPSes have autoaim and most computer FPSes don't.
The millions of console FPS players that actually like using a controller to play have almost certainly never tried using a keyboard and mouse.
But it sounds like they are being even more direct this time, but just taking one of thier interactive movies for a game console and takeing the interactive part out of it.
This is pretty much what everyone wanted when they first heard Square was making a feature movie. Instead, we got this weird sci-fi trip that only relates to Final Fantasy if you look at the philosophical roots.
The funny thing is that every entry in the Final Fantasy franchise only relates to Final Fantasy if you look at the philosophical roots.
Rob (Anyone who thinks that TSW wasn't a proper FF movie doesn't know what he's talking about)
It still may be too slow, even if my computer does meet the minimum specifications, but it's guaranteed to be too slow, or may not run at all, if my computer doesn't meet the minimum specifications.
Not necessarily, not anymore. I remember playing Max Payne on a P3 450 with a Diamond Viper V770 non-Ultra even though the reqs said that I couldn't. I got decent enough framerates.
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Same thing with Photoshop. It's really expensive, and gets pirated a lot. Instead, people could have bought Paint Shop Pro or downloaded The Gimp.
That's the way it works with applications (though I don't agree with your DOS/Windows example). Games are slightly different, because they don't directly compete with each other (except in scattered cases, like HL2 versus Doom 3). In this case, we assume that people pirate games from both small publishers and large ones (not exactly a stretch). The large ones can take the hit in profits, but the small ones can't, so they go out of business.
As far as the argument itself goes, it's something I haven't heard before, but it still seems to rely on the idea that all piracy translates into lost profits (which is almost certainly not true). I do agree that if you're going to pirate, you're better off pirating the big games and buying the small ones (assuming that the small ones are worth buying, obviously).
Rob (There's also the fact that just because pirates allow publishers to charge $50 a game doesn't mean that the publishers have to)
where is the satisfaction for these kids in cheating?
Then you say:
the rush from winning- that's addictive.
I think you answered your own question.
That's probably only the case with the script kiddies, though. The people who write cheats probably get more satisfaction out of seeing how well their cheats work, as I said in my other post in this thread.
Rob
Note to the people who replied negatively to and modded down the parent: He never said that kickbanning the cheater when you catch him isn't a valid response. I'm sure at least some cheat writers have most of their fun seeing how long they can cheat before they get caught. It's like a metagame that involves the cheater versus the administrator instead of player versus player.
Rob
Given that you think "fag" and "nigger" are ok, i wouldn't expect you to think twice about words that denigrate women, whites, or rural folks. I think that says more about you than it does about the words.
Yes, it says that I'm a rational individual who tries not to hold to preconceived notions of what other people may be trying to express.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are neither black nor gay and that you probably don't have many black friends or friends who admit to you that they are gay.
Ignoring the horribly cliched "OMG HE'S DOESN'T TOE THE POLITICALLY-CORRECT LINE HE MUST BE RACIST" tone to this sentence, I find it interesting that you haven't asked whether or not I'm a woman, white, or rural.
Go ahead, ask.
Don't confuse the words that your friends let you get away with using for words that are neutral. Go ask a black man on the street if he minds if you call him "nigger." Go to an LGBTA meeting and ask them if they mind being called "fag" by heterosexuals, or if it bothers them that anything someone doesn't like can be called "gay."
I refer you to the part of my post where I suggested (using sarcasm) that emotional reactions do nothing to disprove my point.
Who's got it worse, people who get dirty looks when they say "fag," or people who are treated like second-class citizens every day of their life?
Here's a question: Why is this relevant?
Rob
How many racist words do you know that have become less racially charged over time?
Honky? Cracker?
Oh, wait, those were never racially charged in the first place, because most white people don't explode when confronted with racial slurs. I guess they realize that the intentions are important, not the words used to express them.
Rob (Words, in and of themselves, don't have any fangs)
There's also the Clerks cartoon:
British Guy: Pack of fags?
Randall: You're a fag.
British Guy: It's a cigarette, mate.
Randall: I'm not your mate, fag!
Rob
To associate those words with negative qualities is inherently homophobic.
So... insulting someone by calling that person a bitch would be inherently hateful towards female dogs? Or calling a person a cracker would be hateful towards saltines? Or how about "redneck," which used to be a perfectly respectable reference to sunburnt farmers?
I refer you back to the part of my post where I said that language changes.
Just becasue it has been applied to things that have no defined sexuality does not mean that it's suddenly a neutral term.
But the fact that more and more people are using the words without reference to actual sexuality does mean that it's becoming a neutral term. Just like how "nigger" is becoming a neutral term (though people try to be deceptive by spelling it "nigga").
Rob
I doubt it will be long before even the idea of a fantasy role-playing game featuring only one white male avatar will seem a strange, misguided aspect of our distant past.
In my day, you were lucky if you even had an avatar independent of your own personality. Remember, a lot of games had only one avatar because it was easier that way, not because of any "misguided" notions of how a character should act.
Rob
These words have a negative meaning because, and only because of their connection to gay people
Do you realize that "faggot" used to refer to a bundle of sticks, or that "gay" used to be a synonym of "happy"?
Language changes all the time. Just because something became an insult because of homophobia doesn't mean that it will always be an insult because of homophobia. Even now, a significant number of people use the word as an insult just because it's accepted as an insult; sexual orientation doesn't enter into it. After all, how does it make sense to call, for instance, Star Wars Galaxies gay in the homophobic sense when SWG doesn't even have a sexuality?
For all those people who believe that words like "nigger" and "fag" aren't related to their original meaning, I invite you to come to my neighborhood and start calling my neighbors "niggers". I wager you won't walk out intact.
Because, as we all know, emotion not only overrides logic, it disproves it.
Rob
Thank you for providing another example where everyday meaning is different from literal meaning.
Rob (Hint: I was using the term "PC" in a literal sense)
In everyday speech, PC games = Windows games
The only people not willing to concede the above are the ten or so PC gamers who primarily use Mac or Linux.
Rob (Someday things may change. I'm not counting on it, though.)
David Wong's main point was that the video game industry thrives on novelty, and that said novelty doesn't exist anymore now that we have fairly realistic real-time 3D capabilities. He forgot about the fact that graphics aren't the only novelty that gets gamers' attention. AI is arguably the weakest obvious element of gaming today, so near-future advancements in it would probably be as impressive as advancements in graphics were decades ago.
Rob
Some people prefer a controller.
...cough
Chances are those people aren't all that serious about FPSes. If you don't really care about how well you play, then controllers are fine.
One is not inherently better than the other.
The assertion of one who has never actually tried playing the same game with both control methods. Try playing Rainbow Six, first on a console, then on the PC. Tell me which one is easier to play.
cough... Doom
Oh, no, you've defeated my argument by mentioning a decade-old game!
Rob
The last time we turned developers into celebrities, the world was punished with Daikatana.
Rob
Why? Because it has to do with the gaea, i.e. lifestream.
That's probably the main rehash, but there are others.
Most creative people find a niche, like Spielberg. He does WW2 movies mostly, because thats his thing, thats what he's into. No one ever says, "Great, one more WW2 movie from Spielberg." Instead it usually gets an applause. So whats the difference between the cat using his gaea ideas in several different creative pieces and Spielberg?
I'm not sure where you got the idea that there was anything wrong with this from my post. I was just pointing it out. I thought TSW was an OK movie, even if it wasn't very original.
Rob
as opposed to FF8
FF8, being just behind FF7 as the best Final Fantasy. So yes, I would say "as opposed to FF8."
Rob
10 minutes might not be enough time to make the adjustment. How long did it take you to learn to play first person shooters on your keyboard and trackball? I doubt you were an expert after 10 minutes. Possibly the millions of console FPS players are not all wrong. The controls can, and do work.
You forgot the word "poorly" in that last sentence. There's a reason why most console FPSes have autoaim and most computer FPSes don't.
The millions of console FPS players that actually like using a controller to play have almost certainly never tried using a keyboard and mouse.
Rob
any of the comic book themed movies portrayed the stories about as well as arnold speaks english.
One word: Spiderman.
Rob (Only major difference was MJ standing in for Gwen Stacy)
But it sounds like they are being even more direct this time, but just taking one of thier interactive movies for a game console and takeing the interactive part out of it.
They already did that. Didn't you get the memo?
Rob (See, what I'm trying to say here is that TSW was already a remake of FF7)
Square has been avoiding doing so for just as long... so you can't blame all of this on the company, really.
I can blame Square for listening to its hardcore fans, yes. Remember what happened last time they did that? FF9.
Rob
This is pretty much what everyone wanted when they first heard Square was making a feature movie. Instead, we got this weird sci-fi trip that only relates to Final Fantasy if you look at the philosophical roots.
The funny thing is that every entry in the Final Fantasy franchise only relates to Final Fantasy if you look at the philosophical roots.
Rob (Anyone who thinks that TSW wasn't a proper FF movie doesn't know what he's talking about)
So basically, what they are doing is just re-releasing FF7, without all the annoying bits where you have to fiddle with the controller.
They already did that. Didn't you get the memo?
Rob
You forgot to mention that FF7 is the one Final Fantasy that should never, ever get a sequel. It completely ruins the already weak ending of the game.
Rob
If the 'death penalty' in the game is too severe... you may stop playing the game and, even worse, stop paying the monthly subscription fee for it.
Well, I certainly hope you stop paying the fee for it when you stop playing it.
Rob
It still may be too slow, even if my computer does meet the minimum specifications, but it's guaranteed to be too slow, or may not run at all, if my computer doesn't meet the minimum specifications.
Not necessarily, not anymore. I remember playing Max Payne on a P3 450 with a Diamond Viper V770 non-Ultra even though the reqs said that I couldn't. I got decent enough framerates.
Rob