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"biggest producer of Linux software for mobile devices"
This isn't meant as a flamebait, but where are these mobile devices with linux on it?
The Zaurus isn't sold outside Japan (O own a SL 5500), the (still very few) Motorola phones come with an development environment that supports Java only (nevertheless I'll buy an A780 soon just for the bulit in GPS navigation it has in European models).
It's rather difficult to find a device with qt/embedded that's programmable in C++. The only thing that I can think of is the new Nokia surfing tablet, but IIRC it's not available yet.
Most of them are available in Asia only. But at least the A780 is coming to Europe soon. Hooray.
But Motorola only encourages to develop in Java, not C. It would be possible to port over all the apps from openembedded, cause it uses the same CPU and a comparable environment (qt/embedded ontop of a Linux kernel) like the Zaurus. But without support fomr Motorola this is diffcult at least. You even need a hack to access the phone via ssh...
Well, even if they did it. They ship FreeDOS and nothing more. No support for Fedora, Mandrive, SuSE, ect. pp. So no software = no support. No reason, why this option has to be more expensive.
--- Whether 2.0 and 3.0 will be significantly different then we won't know until the time but as long as the product is good people will use it. I used it back in the 0.x days (before it was even called Firefox) and it still beat IE and the Mozilla suite in many ways. So whatever version numbering scheme they use is fine by me. ---
You mean you used it at the times where you didn't have to install an extension to get constantly changing names;-)
Perhaps the Firefox team was a little bit bored now they are called Firefox for some months and thus decided to have some fun again by introducing a funny numbering scheme;-)
That's one of the reasons to decide against a lean browser that has to be extended via extensions. With 10 extensions that may or may not be installed you already have more than 3,6 million combinations (correct?). Testing sth. monolitic like the old Mozilla suite is definitly easier than testing Firefox with a billion combinations of different extensions.
That's why I think that Firefox should make their tab handling better as tab reordering and session saving are essential IMHO. (miniT for reordering tabs will be in 1.1 IIRC but I haven't heard anything about tab session saving. A simple dialog at the start of the browser that asks about restoring the session from the last time would be enough for the base IMHO).
I don't question the decision to build a lean browser plus extension, but a browser that claims "tabs" as one of the big plusses should have a good tab management built in by default.
Check it out, it's based on Maypole, but now forked off and is under heavy and fast development.
There's a short introductory article on perl.com. I quote one paragraph from this article, that gives a good overview on Catalyst:
Catalyst is a new MVC framework for Perl. It is currently under rapid development, but the core API is now stable, and a growing number of projects use it. Catalyst borrows from other frameworks, such as Ruby on Rails and Apache Struts, but its main goal is to be a flexible, powerful, and fast framework for developing any type of web project in Perl. [...]
It's semi-OT cause it supports AJAX and uses Prototype as its Javascript library.
It's a combination of market size and mobile phone standard. The Asian and European markets for GSM phones are much bigger than the US market (which still is mainly CDMA based). But this still doesn't explain why most Linux based phones aren't available in europe neither. (I'm from Germany and Motorola Germany doesn't list any of the Linux based phones on its web site).
All big sites now support Firefox (which means they're somewhat standards compliant). The 10% of all websites will consist of a lot of obscure, badly maintained and small sites that nearly noone cares for (of course exeptions proves the rule).
That's an interesting interpretation! In Germany (after some discussion with Apple) the facts were interpreted like I've summarized.
That means: You need a deploment licence (you needed it before and Apple never said that you don't need a deployment licence any more). The only way to get a deployment licence is to buy MacOS Server licence. And even if you buy this licence, the deployment on other OS and other JSEE isn't supported any longer.
But all of this has to be taken with a grain of salt, cause Apple reps (at least in Germany) are somewhat dis/malinformed when you ask them about WebObjects (I once have been on the cebit and I couldn't find a single guy who even knew that Apple had a product called WebObjects. Quite bizarre...).
I sincerely hope that Apple clears this up! Anyone from Apple that listens?
There has been a discussion about this a few days ago at heise.de (this is rather old news from the last Apple Developer meeting, but was buried under the big news of switch to Intel).
The news seems to boil down to this:
a) WebObjects Development (not deployment) is included in XCode and therefore free.
b) WebObjects Deployment is included for free with Tiger Server.
c) Other licences aren't available any longer. So that means, that you'll have to buy MacOS Tiger Server to get a valid licence. Deployment on all other platforms isn't supported any longer (it should work, cause it's java only, but there's no guarantee).
If Apple doen't change its mind on point c, this news is not good news...
Yes, but this may be one of the consequences of the design decision to create a small, extensible core with a lot of extensions. This often leads to release and quality assurance nightmares for the maintainers and upgrade nightmares for the users.
I'd suggest a policy like Google, that when 80 percent of the user base installs an extension it becomes part of the core and no release should be done without that extension.
AOpen's Pentium cube-sized barebone is around 350 Dollars (without CPU). If you buy their mainboard seperatly it's about 200 Dollars. A Pentium M is 200 Dollars as well. No RAM, no harddisk (2.5" are not that cheap), no DVD. 499 $ for the mini is not that bad.
You're correct, but remember that hydrogen has two big advantages: Burns pollutionfree and is easy to transform into electric energy. Both are big plusses for home use. I can't imagine to create electric energy from diesel *at home*.
If you combine both big energy consumers (electricity at home and burning diesel in a car) hydrogen looks much better than using hydrogen only for your car.
Yepp strange. Same for nearly all "normal" mainboards with integrated graphics. You'll pay some extra bucks for integrated graphics and end up buying a dvi-enabled card for 45 dollars nevertheless.
The new Pentium-M based mainboard from AOpen is a positive exception. I think, I'll wait for this one.
Or buy a Mac Mini instead. Quiet. Fast. With DVI (not the first time, that Apple shows the PC makers how to build a sensible PC).
Yesterday Heise had a stroy about the new Fedore beta and they mentioned, that Mono had been dropped from Fedora Core due fears regarding patent infringments. Read the translated news here. The part that matters ist this:
"That contains however also the free NET implementation mono, which is probably not taken up to Fedora from fear of patent claims on the part of Microsoft."
which means sth like this:
Suse however contains the free NET implementation mono, which is probably not included into Fedora due to fear of patent claims on the part of Microsoft.
When people think about Google OS, they think about the desktop. Google OS Desktop will never happen. Everything they do with OSes is connected to their backend cluster OS.
Desktopwise Google will make the desktop OS obsolete (why make an OS when it's more and more obsolete?). It's kind of interesting that Google now finally fulfills the claims SUN made some years (the network is the computer, etc. pp.).
Think of an internet connected playstation. Games run locally, the rest will run on the internet, powered by Google.
It will be very interesting to see, how Microsoft will react. It will be more difficult this time, because the time for internet applications has come. There are enough broadband connections right now. And scalability on the backend isn't a problem anymore (at least for Google).
Yepp and put it in a cellphone. That's what I need. Not a clumpy TREO thingy, just an old fashioned PALM in my mobile. Two things in one with all the good things from both (Palm + organizer apps in phone size).
Google's money comes from advertising. Selling adwords. Not only on google.com but on a bunch of other sites too. Google could possibly live on without a single search.
I'm sure, that Microsoft can grab 30-40% of the search engine market by integrating their MSN search into their browser, into their desktop applications, into hotmail, into whatever. But that's not the death of google.
For example I am quite sure, that gmail can easily grab 20-30 percent of the webmail market (and hurt Hotmail). Even gmail in beta is far beyond anything I've seen in this area. So in a few years Hotmail will still have 200 million users, but Google will have the users that really use webmail (gmail is the first webmail service that is usable for more than 2 mails per day). And then Google will have a lot more ad space to sell (and make money from).
And Google won't stop here. Never ever forget that Google has a scalable, worldwide cluster which gives them unlimited disk space and unlimited CPU power. They won't stop when done with searching and mail. They will do a lot more.
5 years ago Netscape wanted to make a browser, that superseded the desktop. All apps should run in the browser. Netscape never figured out how to do it (as someone else pointed out, that Netscape was the main reason why Netscape failed, not Microsoft). But I'm sure, Google will figure out how to do this. There are a lot of people now with fast internet access, client PCs are fast enough, Google's servers are fast enough. Now the world is ready for "your browser is your desktop".
Like many other posters here you make the assumption that the three new jobs have a connection somehow.
But I'm quite sure that the two browser guys won't work on the same thing as Pike. Google already has some kind of rather advanced cluster technology. Distributed worldwide, tens of thousends of PCs which deliver nearly unlimited cpu power, disk und memory space. Who on this planet would suit better for this than Rob Pike of Plan9, the most advanced distributed OS?
IMHO speculations about a Google OS for the desktop are BS. Google already has a kind of OS with their cluster technology and Rob Pike will develop these things further. Rob working on a distributed search engine is possible, but would be a surprise for me.
but they may start *using* Firefox more than before , e.g. integrate Google desktop search into firefox (or vice versa). As other posters have pointed out, Google may even embrace XUL to write native interfaces to their existing and forthcoming apps.
Firefox/Mozilla + XUL can deliver nearly everything that Netscape had in mind when they started building their new platform after Netscape 4. Now 5(?) years later XUL is ready for prime time.
The move from centralized to decentralized will be big. Energy companies will need to redefine themselves. From energy "production" to energy distribution.
And one thing to remember: Energy consumption in the US is nearly two times higher than in Japan or in Germany, two other wealthy and industrialized countries. So the room for improvement regarding energy saving in the US is quite big.
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"biggest producer of Linux software for mobile devices"
This isn't meant as a flamebait, but where are these mobile devices with linux on it?
The Zaurus isn't sold outside Japan (O own a SL 5500), the (still very few) Motorola phones come with an development environment that supports Java only (nevertheless I'll buy an A780 soon just for the bulit in GPS navigation it has in European models).
It's rather difficult to find a device with qt/embedded that's programmable in C++. The only thing that I can think of is the new Nokia surfing tablet, but IIRC it's not available yet.
Bye egghat.
Looks cool!
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Yep and just two more Linux mobiles here.
They don't seem to sleep these days at Motorola
Bye egghat.
There are at least some linux powered smartphones:
...
Montavista powered Smartphones.
Most of them are available in Asia only. But at least the A780 is coming to Europe soon. Hooray.
But Motorola only encourages to develop in Java, not C. It would be possible to port over all the apps from openembedded, cause it uses the same CPU and a comparable environment (qt/embedded ontop of a Linux kernel) like the Zaurus. But without support fomr Motorola this is diffcult at least. You even need a hack to access the phone via ssh
Bye egghat.
Well, even if they did it. They ship FreeDOS and nothing more. No support for Fedora, Mandrive, SuSE, ect. pp. So no software = no support. No reason, why this option has to be more expensive.
Bye egghat.
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Whether 2.0 and 3.0 will be significantly different then we won't know until the time but as long as the product is good people will use it. I used it back in the 0.x days (before it was even called Firefox) and it still beat IE and the Mozilla suite in many ways. So whatever version numbering scheme they use is fine by me.
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You mean you used it at the times where you didn't have to install an extension to get constantly changing names
Perhaps the Firefox team was a little bit bored now they are called Firefox for some months and thus decided to have some fun again by introducing a funny numbering scheme
Bye egghat.
That's one of the reasons to decide against a lean browser that has to be extended via extensions. With 10 extensions that may or may not be installed you already have more than 3,6 million combinations (correct?). Testing sth. monolitic like the old Mozilla suite is definitly easier than testing Firefox with a billion combinations of different extensions.
That's why I think that Firefox should make their tab handling better as tab reordering and session saving are essential IMHO. (miniT for reordering tabs will be in 1.1 IIRC but I haven't heard anything about tab session saving. A simple dialog at the start of the browser that asks about restoring the session from the last time would be enough for the base IMHO).
I don't question the decision to build a lean browser plus extension, but a browser that claims "tabs" as one of the big plusses should have a good tab management built in by default.
Bye egghat.
Check it out, it's based on Maypole, but now forked off and is under heavy and fast development.
There's a short introductory article on perl.com. I quote one paragraph from this article, that gives a good overview on Catalyst:
Catalyst is a new MVC framework for Perl. It is currently under rapid development, but the core API is now stable, and a growing number of projects use it. Catalyst borrows from other frameworks, such as Ruby on Rails and Apache Struts, but its main goal is to be a flexible, powerful, and fast framework for developing any type of web project in Perl. [...]
It's semi-OT cause it supports AJAX and uses Prototype as its Javascript library.
Bye egghat.
It's a combination of market size and mobile phone standard. The Asian and European markets for GSM phones are much bigger than the US market (which still is mainly CDMA based). But this still doesn't explain why most Linux based phones aren't available in europe neither. (I'm from Germany and Motorola Germany doesn't list any of the Linux based phones on its web site).
Bye egghat.
All big sites now support Firefox (which means they're somewhat standards compliant). The 10% of all websites will consist of a lot of obscure, badly maintained and small sites that nearly noone cares for (of course exeptions proves the rule).
Bye egghat
That's an interesting interpretation! In Germany (after some discussion with Apple) the facts were interpreted like I've summarized.
...).
That means: You need a deploment licence (you needed it before and Apple never said that you don't need a deployment licence any more). The only way to get a deployment licence is to buy MacOS Server licence. And even if you buy this licence, the deployment on other OS and other JSEE isn't supported any longer.
But all of this has to be taken with a grain of salt, cause Apple reps (at least in Germany) are somewhat dis/malinformed when you ask them about WebObjects (I once have been on the cebit and I couldn't find a single guy who even knew that Apple had a product called WebObjects. Quite bizarre
I sincerely hope that Apple clears this up! Anyone from Apple that listens?
Bye egghat.
There has been a discussion about this a few days ago at heise.de (this is rather old news from the last Apple Developer meeting, but was buried under the big news of switch to Intel).
...
The news seems to boil down to this:
a) WebObjects Development (not deployment) is included in XCode and therefore free.
b) WebObjects Deployment is included for free with Tiger Server.
c) Other licences aren't available any longer. So that means, that you'll have to buy MacOS Tiger Server to get a valid licence. Deployment on all other platforms isn't supported any longer (it should work, cause it's java only, but there's no guarantee).
If Apple doen't change its mind on point c, this news is not good news
Bye egghat.
Yes, but this may be one of the consequences of the design decision to create a small, extensible core with a lot of extensions. This often leads to release and quality assurance nightmares for the maintainers and upgrade nightmares for the users.
I'd suggest a policy like Google, that when 80 percent of the user base installs an extension it becomes part of the core and no release should be done without that extension.
Bye egghat.
I'm not sure if they really can ...
AOpen's Pentium cube-sized barebone is around 350 Dollars (without CPU). If you buy their mainboard seperatly it's about 200 Dollars. A Pentium M is 200 Dollars as well. No RAM, no harddisk (2.5" are not that cheap), no DVD. 499 $ for the mini is not that bad.
Bye egghat.
You're correct, but remember that hydrogen has two big advantages: Burns pollutionfree and is easy to transform into electric energy. Both are big plusses for home use. I can't imagine to create electric energy from diesel *at home*.
If you combine both big energy consumers (electricity at home and burning diesel in a car) hydrogen looks much better than using hydrogen only for your car.
Bye egghat.
Yepp strange. Same for nearly all "normal" mainboards with integrated graphics. You'll pay some extra bucks for integrated graphics and end up buying a dvi-enabled card for 45 dollars nevertheless.
The new Pentium-M based mainboard from AOpen is a positive exception. I think, I'll wait for this one.
Or buy a Mac Mini instead. Quiet. Fast. With DVI (not the first time, that Apple shows the PC makers how to build a sensible PC).
Bye egghat.
... would be quite cool for all the folks booting windows for games only ;-)
...
But it won't happen
Bye egghat.
Yesterday Heise had a stroy about the new Fedore beta and they mentioned, that Mono had been dropped from Fedora Core due fears regarding patent infringments. Read the translated news here.
The part that matters ist this:
"That contains however also the free NET implementation mono, which is probably not taken up to Fedora from fear of patent claims on the part of Microsoft."
which means sth like this:
Suse however contains the free NET implementation mono, which is probably not included into Fedora due to fear of patent claims on the part of Microsoft.
Anyone has more insight?
Bye egghat.
Right!
When people think about Google OS, they think about the desktop. Google OS Desktop will never happen. Everything they do with OSes is connected to their backend cluster OS.
Desktopwise Google will make the desktop OS obsolete (why make an OS when it's more and more obsolete?). It's kind of interesting that Google now finally fulfills the claims SUN made some years (the network is the computer, etc. pp.).
Think of an internet connected playstation. Games run locally, the rest will run on the internet, powered by Google.
It will be very interesting to see, how Microsoft will react. It will be more difficult this time, because the time for internet applications has come. There are enough broadband connections right now. And scalability on the backend isn't a problem anymore (at least for Google).
bye egghat.
Yepp and put it in a cellphone. That's what I need. Not a clumpy TREO thingy, just an old fashioned PALM in my mobile. Two things in one with all the good things from both (Palm + organizer apps in phone size).
bye egghat
IMHO many of the posters here miss the point:
Google's money comes from advertising. Selling adwords. Not only on google.com but on a bunch of other sites too. Google could possibly live on without a single search.
I'm sure, that Microsoft can grab 30-40% of the search engine market by integrating their MSN search into their browser, into their desktop applications, into hotmail, into whatever. But that's not the death of google.
For example I am quite sure, that gmail can easily grab 20-30 percent of the webmail market (and hurt Hotmail). Even gmail in beta is far beyond anything I've seen in this area. So in a few years Hotmail will still have 200 million users, but Google will have the users that really use webmail (gmail is the first webmail service that is usable for more than 2 mails per day). And then Google will have a lot more ad space to sell (and make money from).
And Google won't stop here. Never ever forget that Google has a scalable, worldwide cluster which gives them unlimited disk space and unlimited CPU power. They won't stop when done with searching and mail. They will do a lot more.
5 years ago Netscape wanted to make a browser, that superseded the desktop. All apps should run in the browser. Netscape never figured out how to do it (as someone else pointed out, that Netscape was the main reason why Netscape failed, not Microsoft). But I'm sure, Google will figure out how to do this. There are a lot of people now with fast internet access, client PCs are fast enough, Google's servers are fast enough. Now the world is ready for "your browser is your desktop".
bye egghat.
Like many other posters here you make the assumption that the three new jobs have a connection somehow.
But I'm quite sure that the two browser guys won't work on the same thing as Pike. Google already has some kind of rather advanced cluster technology. Distributed worldwide, tens of thousends of PCs which deliver nearly unlimited cpu power, disk und memory space. Who on this planet would suit better for this than Rob Pike of Plan9, the most advanced distributed OS?
IMHO speculations about a Google OS for the desktop are BS. Google already has a kind of OS with their cluster technology and Rob Pike will develop these things further. Rob working on a distributed search engine is possible, but would be a surprise for me.
Bye egghat.
but they may start *using* Firefox more than before , e.g. integrate Google desktop search into firefox (or vice versa). As other posters have pointed out, Google may even embrace XUL to write native interfaces to their existing and forthcoming apps.
Firefox/Mozilla + XUL can deliver nearly everything that Netscape had in mind when they started building their new platform after Netscape 4. Now 5(?) years later XUL is ready for prime time.
Bye egghat.
Mea culpa. I guess your version is correct.
Nevertheless we are more interested in people using, changing and enhancing GPL'ed code.
Bye egghat.
to be even more precise:
Asus only has to distribute the sources, if they *change* anything.
If they use an unmodified kernel and put some proprietary software on top, there is no need to distribute any sources.
Bye egghat.
Yepp. You're 100% correct.
The move from centralized to decentralized will be big. Energy companies will need to redefine themselves. From energy "production" to energy distribution.
And one thing to remember: Energy consumption in the US is nearly two times higher than in Japan or in Germany, two other wealthy and industrialized countries. So the room for improvement regarding energy saving in the US is quite big.
Bye egghat