Fascinating info. I always had the suspicion that most of this was not even payed for by the Telecoms and what they did pay for had multiple use. In other words the Internet has been a huge financial boom for them, and they want more. I could care less for what THEY want of course, as a consumer.
They are CONVICTED MONOPOLIST felons, and thanks to money even justice could not do anything when it came time to punish them. Hopefully these robber barons will continue to allow their own greed to be their own worst enemy and eventual undoing. All the fawning by so called "news" outlets caused by the recent retirement of a liar and one of the worst offenders - who has the personality of the most insecure creep your likely meet, is getting old.
Does anyone know how much of the Internet has been paid for by the us government, in turn meaning us tax payers? Are the telecoms etc. simply selling us access to our own thing and acting as if they invented it or something?
Good point. I guess the Holocaust deniers and assorted other fanatical idiots can now come in as the legislature has let the religious ones in the interest of fairness without proof. Considering the lack of globally competitive Science education in America these days (check out Florida's FCAT scores for Science, with 70% of students flunking Science in most schools), its amazing how these lunatics are trying to create a forum for the belief systems of 1st century mystics and the 21st century luddites who worship an impotent Jewish zombie as if that is something to be admired.
I feel like I am reading a transcript of the History Channel "The Universe" program, where almost every astronomical event that would cause harm to a human or the earth is described in agonizing detail. I don't see this as much in Science shows from other countries, although there are exceptions but it seems they are more influenced from the American shows. Is this a requirement for Americans to have an interest in a Science subject, ripping bodies apart and blowing up the Earth? Are we all 12 years old? I am not trying to start a big argument here, but I noticed this trend and how sort of obsessed american "science" shows are with it. I am however sick of it on "The Universe" from History Channel. I could care less what would happen to earth if a massive black hole sucked it in. I suppose it does help with understanding the scale of this stuff, but I don't think its the motive.
iChat is nice, but last time I used it (a couple of years ago), there was no way to videoconference with something on the PC side. You could type at people using a PC with an (AOL account?) but no video. This made it rather lame unless you convinced all your family/friends etc to start using Macs. I guess they figured the Halo effect would not hold with a chat program as it might with iTunes/Ipod etc. I don't know if this has changed as of yet...
What a mess. There can be times when two heads are better than one, but other times not so. Who decides this? Silly contests? It usually is when one guy knows a little more than the other and can help improve the skills of the slightly lesser coder to continue on his own (this could work both ways). I know I code better when I am around great coders. But, so much for the actual code. I can't help but feel that much of this is more of a management brain fart where they think two guys can get something done twice as fast as one. Just the fact they are using terms like Hydra and Dragon make it sound stupid.In my experience developers have so much on their plate and are understaffed as it is, to spend time reviewing others code just adds to the pressure cooker. Why not let the developers decide what would be best at the particular moment rather within the particular problem domain (not outlined in this "contest" than trying to find one solution that is supposed to work in all circumstances (Hydra VS Dragon) as if one is "better"?
Spend more time reading and analyzing the code instead of looking for a tool to do the job for you. Experience is the key here, and expecting to find a tool to leapfrog senior developers hard won experience is a mistake. There is nothing wrong with coming across tools that may help, but in my experience many programmers waste inordinate amounts of time trying to find some tool to do the job that they were hired to do in the first place.
Thousands? German population during WWII was not in the thousands and the German people have rightfully accepted responsibility to this day. Who is trivializing here? I did not bring up the subject of IBM's collusion with the Nazi regime, so I am not sure why you are accusing me of doing so. In either event, reminding people of the Holocaust and all the parties that played a roll is not spitting on peoples graves but warns people that such any event could happen again and must never be allowed to do so. You minimizing the numbers of people responsible to a relative small number of madmen is a holocaust deniers trademark. The average German citizen at that time was well aware of Jewish prosecution by Germany and the numbers were far higher than a few thousand. IBM did not sell Nazis filing cabinets. They sold them lists of Jewish citizens, singled out because of the fact they were Jewish. IBM did this. IBM was aware of how the information they provided would be used and the ultimate fate of the men women and children - CHILDREN on this list, they simply did not care as money was involved. This is a key point, I think we actually agree that its silly to blame the folks who make a telephone that a Nazi may have inadvertently used in a war crime. But I am not sure your aware of just how much IBM was in cahoots with what the Nazis were doing with the information and what they wanted it for, as well as how ruthlessly efficient IBM was in gathering this information for them. This information provided would be clearly used, even to a moron, in a criminal act. I would urge your to read the book and draw your conclusions based on this.
Free Software is not open source, by manifesto of the free software foundation. They own neither word, and it is merely the opinion of a group of individuals. (you failed to point out this association clearly).
My definition of commerce was regarding software developed for monetary profit, I thought that you could infer that from simply reading the entire post, but its OK, I often over estimate people on here which I thought was more of forum for casual discussion then a place for Stallman wanna be semantic games. I would hope you had the intelligence to understand I was not necessarily talking about the interaction between groups of people alone. duh. But thanks for thinking I did not know the difference and correcting me. I was also not referring to impure chemicals sold in bulk as a "commercial solution" VS open source so I thought that should be made clear for you as well as your deduction skills stink.
I thought I might throw this into the hat, why not an open source hardware/software solution? I suppose I mean something that would have to be revolutionary. I know that there are some open source hardware projects out there, but I have only seen a few (although I have more research to do on this and I hope to find cool stuff). I just keep coming back to the thought that perhaps something revolutionary being developed by a large group of people for the benefit of each other is one of the goals of open source or at least a side effect, yet the there is nothing really revolutionizing the industry other than the original idea of open source and what that brings. I don't want anyone to take my statement as an attempt to take away from the great open source software or even hardware that may be out there. But I do see more evolutionary or alternative steps being taken rather than whole new paradigms emerging or breakthroughs that might benefit most people in new ways instead of specific tasks or groups that now have the option of open source VS commercial solutions. I do think something like Woz giving away the schematics to build a personal computer at the Homebrew Club is one thing that sticks in my mind as a revolutionary step, and it may or may not be a good analogy for where I am coming from. I was not a member of the Homebrew club, so perhaps at the time the idea of an easy to use personal computer was not that revolutionary, I am not sure. I mean, can open source hardware/software produce a quantum computer? Is that just something that is going to be left to be owned and licensed by a University or Corporate patent? Are software/hardware solutions like this just not possible in open source?
How come racism/xenophobia are mixed together so much when it comes to developing other nations technological base VS the United States? If you want to help stop racism, at least identify it correctly. I mean you are talking about foreign nationals here, many of which are on a U.S. taxpayer grant. All Americans, regardless of race have to pay these taxes yet there are very few American citizens in graduate school for engineering and science. It is alarming to see folks trained to compete with the United States using our very own homegrown technologies. If the idea was that the foreign national was applying to be a U.S. citizen, most Americans would have no problem with it and your thinly veiled accusations of racism and xenophobia do not carry any weight, but instead your lumping everyone who is concerned with this trend of America losing out in the long run, with racists. America is a melting pot, not a place for someone to be trained in to take back home with them, a place that looks nothing like a melting pot in man cases.
Telephones? C'mon now, you know that is a lousy analogy compared to a company actively participating in the actual act of tracking people down to be "arrested". With the same silly logic you can blame the guys who made the Nazi's boots. As far as no IBM employee from those days being around....this very same policy is still around in IBM. Individual IBM divisions are expected to comply with the legal requests and desires of the nation in which they are based, without protest, AS LONG AS these do not conflict with the best interests of shareholders. You really have to understand that the allegiance of a public company is to shareholders (by law). IBM Germany did exactly this and would do this tomorrow. They have no allegiance above shareholder profit. IBM Global Services is an umbrella organization run from the United States (sort of), but it is highly fragmented (and actually less centrally controlled due to some policy changes in the last couple of years). IBM has zero allegiance to United States or any country for that matter other than paying the minimum amount of taxes to still be considered a U.S. company and qualify for U.S. Government research grants and contracts. If selling your DNA was legal in some country and IBM did business there, it will happen. If turning over rolls of lists of Jews meant a big payout to IBM shareholders, its done. Why do people think that PUBLICLY TRADED companies are not dangerous to trust in these regards and forget so easily the terrible history many of these companies have when it came to what seems to be an inhumane act VS profit? If you did a psychological workup on a publicly traded company as if it was a person, you would not let it babysit your kids for sure.
With all the outsourcing, especially in engineering I can't help suspect that is a contributing factor (all the Indians is a clue). We also live in a country that is full of religous nuts (40 some odd percent or something think the world is a few thousand years old). Science is probably not high on the list for these ignorant folks. Another factor is with all the outsourcing, we have developed an attitude in the industry that somehow its better to get an MBA or be a manager than an engineer. They actually think they are smarter (this was always the way). The fact the business programs in university are far simpler than science makes it more tempting for the lazy. Americans are going to pay in the long run for this, especially when we see the Chinese land on Mars or something first.
Not to mention all the caucasions that are not Anglo's. The original poster, like any bigot, tips his hat to the idea of grouping large number of people into one innacurate group based on race.
It took a while, and many false starts... But, I decided to go cold turkey and remove Microsoft from all my computers in favor of some Linux and BSD stuff.
Since quitting I have also noticed that my health has been improving. I can actually breath better, and food tastes so much better to me now! I have started exercising, and I am in the best shape of my life. And financially? WOW. I now have far more money then I had before as I am not wasting it with Microsoft. It may seem like your not spending a lot of money with Microsoft, but once you quit, you realize how much it can really add up! My time is more free as well, because I don't waste so much of it during the day constantly having to use Microsoft products rather than be productive. I have noticed that this has caused my IQ to increase and it allowed me to spend more time with my family.
I know for some folks out there it may be difficult to quit or you feel you CANT quit, but let me be an example to you that it can in fact be done.
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Sounds like a set up, in the end we will be available for more hours for work for the same annual salary.
Evil? Not very scientific.
Fascinating info. I always had the suspicion that most of this was not even payed for by the Telecoms and what they did pay for had multiple use. In other words the Internet has been a huge financial boom for them, and they want more. I could care less for what THEY want of course, as a consumer.
They are CONVICTED MONOPOLIST felons, and thanks to money even justice could not do anything when it came time to punish them. Hopefully these robber barons will continue to allow their own greed to be their own worst enemy and eventual undoing. All the fawning by so called "news" outlets caused by the recent retirement of a liar and one of the worst offenders - who has the personality of the most insecure creep your likely meet, is getting old.
How do they know how often she logged on? Did the service provide this info? I assume a warrant was obtained... LOL.
Does anyone know how much of the Internet has been paid for by the us government, in turn meaning us tax payers? Are the telecoms etc. simply selling us access to our own thing and acting as if they invented it or something?
At least this will stand as a message to any other adulterous, scheming bitch.
least common denominator engineering. Wonderful idea, its up there with outsourcing American engineering to India.
Good point. I guess the Holocaust deniers and assorted other fanatical idiots can now come in as the legislature has let the religious ones in the interest of fairness without proof. Considering the lack of globally competitive Science education in America these days (check out Florida's FCAT scores for Science, with 70% of students flunking Science in most schools), its amazing how these lunatics are trying to create a forum for the belief systems of 1st century mystics and the 21st century luddites who worship an impotent Jewish zombie as if that is something to be admired.
I feel like I am reading a transcript of the History Channel "The Universe" program, where almost every astronomical event that would cause harm to a human or the earth is described in agonizing detail. I don't see this as much in Science shows from other countries, although there are exceptions but it seems they are more influenced from the American shows. Is this a requirement for Americans to have an interest in a Science subject, ripping bodies apart and blowing up the Earth? Are we all 12 years old? I am not trying to start a big argument here, but I noticed this trend and how sort of obsessed american "science" shows are with it. I am however sick of it on "The Universe" from History Channel. I could care less what would happen to earth if a massive black hole sucked it in. I suppose it does help with understanding the scale of this stuff, but I don't think its the motive.
iChat is nice, but last time I used it (a couple of years ago), there was no way to videoconference with something on the PC side. You could type at people using a PC with an (AOL account?) but no video. This made it rather lame unless you convinced all your family/friends etc to start using Macs. I guess they figured the Halo effect would not hold with a chat program as it might with iTunes/Ipod etc. I don't know if this has changed as of yet...
What a mess. There can be times when two heads are better than one, but other times not so. Who decides this? Silly contests? It usually is when one guy knows a little more than the other and can help improve the skills of the slightly lesser coder to continue on his own (this could work both ways). I know I code better when I am around great coders. But, so much for the actual code. I can't help but feel that much of this is more of a management brain fart where they think two guys can get something done twice as fast as one. Just the fact they are using terms like Hydra and Dragon make it sound stupid.In my experience developers have so much on their plate and are understaffed as it is, to spend time reviewing others code just adds to the pressure cooker. Why not let the developers decide what would be best at the particular moment rather within the particular problem domain (not outlined in this "contest" than trying to find one solution that is supposed to work in all circumstances (Hydra VS Dragon) as if one is "better"?
Gizmodo (and other sites) censor comments by users. Would this not qualify the same way?
Spend more time reading and analyzing the code instead of looking for a tool to do the job for you. Experience is the key here, and expecting to find a tool to leapfrog senior developers hard won experience is a mistake. There is nothing wrong with coming across tools that may help, but in my experience many programmers waste inordinate amounts of time trying to find some tool to do the job that they were hired to do in the first place.
Thousands? German population during WWII was not in the thousands and the German people have rightfully accepted responsibility to this day. Who is trivializing here? I did not bring up the subject of IBM's collusion with the Nazi regime, so I am not sure why you are accusing me of doing so. In either event, reminding people of the Holocaust and all the parties that played a roll is not spitting on peoples graves but warns people that such any event could happen again and must never be allowed to do so. You minimizing the numbers of people responsible to a relative small number of madmen is a holocaust deniers trademark. The average German citizen at that time was well aware of Jewish prosecution by Germany and the numbers were far higher than a few thousand. IBM did not sell Nazis filing cabinets. They sold them lists of Jewish citizens, singled out because of the fact they were Jewish. IBM did this. IBM was aware of how the information they provided would be used and the ultimate fate of the men women and children - CHILDREN on this list, they simply did not care as money was involved. This is a key point, I think we actually agree that its silly to blame the folks who make a telephone that a Nazi may have inadvertently used in a war crime. But I am not sure your aware of just how much IBM was in cahoots with what the Nazis were doing with the information and what they wanted it for, as well as how ruthlessly efficient IBM was in gathering this information for them. This information provided would be clearly used, even to a moron, in a criminal act. I would urge your to read the book and draw your conclusions based on this.
Free Software is not open source, by manifesto of the free software foundation. They own neither word, and it is merely the opinion of a group of individuals. (you failed to point out this association clearly). My definition of commerce was regarding software developed for monetary profit, I thought that you could infer that from simply reading the entire post, but its OK, I often over estimate people on here which I thought was more of forum for casual discussion then a place for Stallman wanna be semantic games. I would hope you had the intelligence to understand I was not necessarily talking about the interaction between groups of people alone. duh. But thanks for thinking I did not know the difference and correcting me. I was also not referring to impure chemicals sold in bulk as a "commercial solution" VS open source so I thought that should be made clear for you as well as your deduction skills stink.
I thought I might throw this into the hat, why not an open source hardware/software solution? I suppose I mean something that would have to be revolutionary. I know that there are some open source hardware projects out there, but I have only seen a few (although I have more research to do on this and I hope to find cool stuff). I just keep coming back to the thought that perhaps something revolutionary being developed by a large group of people for the benefit of each other is one of the goals of open source or at least a side effect, yet the there is nothing really revolutionizing the industry other than the original idea of open source and what that brings. I don't want anyone to take my statement as an attempt to take away from the great open source software or even hardware that may be out there. But I do see more evolutionary or alternative steps being taken rather than whole new paradigms emerging or breakthroughs that might benefit most people in new ways instead of specific tasks or groups that now have the option of open source VS commercial solutions. I do think something like Woz giving away the schematics to build a personal computer at the Homebrew Club is one thing that sticks in my mind as a revolutionary step, and it may or may not be a good analogy for where I am coming from. I was not a member of the Homebrew club, so perhaps at the time the idea of an easy to use personal computer was not that revolutionary, I am not sure. I mean, can open source hardware/software produce a quantum computer? Is that just something that is going to be left to be owned and licensed by a University or Corporate patent? Are software/hardware solutions like this just not possible in open source?
How come racism/xenophobia are mixed together so much when it comes to developing other nations technological base VS the United States? If you want to help stop racism, at least identify it correctly. I mean you are talking about foreign nationals here, many of which are on a U.S. taxpayer grant. All Americans, regardless of race have to pay these taxes yet there are very few American citizens in graduate school for engineering and science. It is alarming to see folks trained to compete with the United States using our very own homegrown technologies. If the idea was that the foreign national was applying to be a U.S. citizen, most Americans would have no problem with it and your thinly veiled accusations of racism and xenophobia do not carry any weight, but instead your lumping everyone who is concerned with this trend of America losing out in the long run, with racists. America is a melting pot, not a place for someone to be trained in to take back home with them, a place that looks nothing like a melting pot in man cases.
Telephones? C'mon now, you know that is a lousy analogy compared to a company actively participating in the actual act of tracking people down to be "arrested". With the same silly logic you can blame the guys who made the Nazi's boots. As far as no IBM employee from those days being around....this very same policy is still around in IBM. Individual IBM divisions are expected to comply with the legal requests and desires of the nation in which they are based, without protest, AS LONG AS these do not conflict with the best interests of shareholders. You really have to understand that the allegiance of a public company is to shareholders (by law). IBM Germany did exactly this and would do this tomorrow. They have no allegiance above shareholder profit. IBM Global Services is an umbrella organization run from the United States (sort of), but it is highly fragmented (and actually less centrally controlled due to some policy changes in the last couple of years). IBM has zero allegiance to United States or any country for that matter other than paying the minimum amount of taxes to still be considered a U.S. company and qualify for U.S. Government research grants and contracts. If selling your DNA was legal in some country and IBM did business there, it will happen. If turning over rolls of lists of Jews meant a big payout to IBM shareholders, its done. Why do people think that PUBLICLY TRADED companies are not dangerous to trust in these regards and forget so easily the terrible history many of these companies have when it came to what seems to be an inhumane act VS profit? If you did a psychological workup on a publicly traded company as if it was a person, you would not let it babysit your kids for sure.
Actor, not character name = not redundant.
With all the outsourcing, especially in engineering I can't help suspect that is a contributing factor (all the Indians is a clue). We also live in a country that is full of religous nuts (40 some odd percent or something think the world is a few thousand years old). Science is probably not high on the list for these ignorant folks. Another factor is with all the outsourcing, we have developed an attitude in the industry that somehow its better to get an MBA or be a manager than an engineer. They actually think they are smarter (this was always the way). The fact the business programs in university are far simpler than science makes it more tempting for the lazy. Americans are going to pay in the long run for this, especially when we see the Chinese land on Mars or something first.
Not to mention all the caucasions that are not Anglo's. The original poster, like any bigot, tips his hat to the idea of grouping large number of people into one innacurate group based on race.
If you want to be mad, ask the students where they are getting the money from to pay for college in the first place.
The new Knight rider actor better have a German name.
It took a while, and many false starts... But, I decided to go cold turkey and remove Microsoft from all my computers in favor of some Linux and BSD stuff. Since quitting I have also noticed that my health has been improving. I can actually breath better, and food tastes so much better to me now! I have started exercising, and I am in the best shape of my life. And financially? WOW. I now have far more money then I had before as I am not wasting it with Microsoft. It may seem like your not spending a lot of money with Microsoft, but once you quit, you realize how much it can really add up! My time is more free as well, because I don't waste so much of it during the day constantly having to use Microsoft products rather than be productive. I have noticed that this has caused my IQ to increase and it allowed me to spend more time with my family. I know for some folks out there it may be difficult to quit or you feel you CANT quit, but let me be an example to you that it can in fact be done.