Maybe we should get in the habit of memorizing the final verses:
"In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple Near the relief office - I see my people And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin' If this land's still made for you and me."
Woody Guthrie "This land is your land"
It's pretty simple. Really. If the label says RIAA on it anywhere, put the CD, tape or record back on the shelf. This is not rocket science or even algebra... it's a plain, old-fashioned, works everytime, gets 'em where they live, wallet crunching, boycott. Like a baseball bat applied just behind the ear, there is nothing fancy to it at all but it will certainly get the message across.
If the clerk offers to help you find something, ask for their non-RIAA section. When they tell you they don't have one, thank them for their time and walk out of the store.
It doesn't matter what laws they get passed if we refuse to buy their products. The point is to stay away in droves and to let the retailers know what the problem is.
They'll find a way to fix it. They'll stop ordering RIAA titles they can't sell and maybe even start featuring the indies.
I suspect that, at least at first, the indies will be much more willing to do business our way.
I think if you'll do the research you'll find that these things WERE enforced significantly for many years and that recently the enforcement standards had slipped. What you are seeing now is a return to the original standards... long overdue, in my perspective.
There was a LONG time when no profanity was heard on the airwaves. It's only fairly recently that it has crept in. And I can not see why it should do so now. It's a pretty poor communicator who can not communicate an idea without resorting to those terms. Do a little research on Lenny Bruce or George Carlins' "7 words".
Howard Stern knew full well that he was crossing lines... lots of them. He chose to cross them. He's off the air. I don't miss him because I never liked his overt crud to begin with.I think I have racked up a grand total of 1 minute listening to him. His stuff never belonged on the air and I'm glad it's gone.
I just wish that the FCC's authority extended to CD's so I wouldn't have to listen to profanity blasting at me in traffic.
Ummm... this 'lotsa people use it so lotsa people abuse it' argument held water until Apache took the lead in the web server wars. Yet last weeks MSIE vulnerability du jour required that a IIS server first be penetrated... not an Apache one.
Apache has had a 2:1 margin over all Microsoft web servers combined for quite some time now. Try to keep up, eh?
In Mozilla Firefox on KDE / FC2, a right press (without releasing afterward) causes a menu to appear. Moving the mouse cursor over a selection causes that selection to be visually identified. Upon release of that button while a selection is visually identified, that selection is activated and run. For certain of the selections, it is not necessary to release the button for an additional menu to be displayed with subordinate choices made available.
There IS prior art... why isn't it being brought to the USPTO before these baloney patents are issued?
Is it technically possible for an ISP (ANY ISP, not just Comcast) to watch incoming email and forbid identical outgoing email? Perhaps calculate a quick checksum for the inbound and block (before it is even sent) that checksum (based on the body text, not the headers) from exiting?
That seems like it would stop a good percentage of spam from ever exiting the zombied hosts.
Hate to do this to ya, buddy... but Mandrake 8.0 installed just fine for me. It worked in single boot and dual boot (Win98SE) and single boot with VMware.
Time out... WINDOWS claims to be user friendly, remember?
Fedora is Linux and Linux is hard, hard, hard to use. Remember? And that means that Windows should be able to install second... which it has NEVER been able to do.
Unless, of course, Windows assumes "every single person out there will not dual boot".
You are complaining that Linux is only as good as Windows. Thanks, we've been waiting to hear that backhanded compliment for a long time. It feels good to hear it now.
Since it's only when you try to run Windows that this becomes a problem, I would argue that the real problem lies in trying to run Windows.
Sorry guys... Windows has never even tried to dual-boot with Linux so I can't get too excited if a distro clobbers Windows. ALL versions of Windows clobber ALL versions of Linux and no sign of let-up in sight.
This will get fixed and kernel 2.6 will install alongside an existing Redmond OS. But hey, what's your hurry?
"That means that people have to make sure that their pages work in IE."
Actually, no they don't. That's just more IE arrogance and I've had my fill of it. I don't even bother to check my pages with IE.If they work, fine. If they don't work, fine.
MSFT helped write the CSS standards. If IE can't render the decently compliant CSS (etc) that I write, tough... let the IE users see the crud I've had to deal with for years from sites that were written to display well ONLY in MSIE despite having no code that other browsers could not handle. Stupid referrer checks and the people who use them when there is no need to!
Actually 'the AK problem' is not a problem. If the thing gets trashed by being shot, the Marine knows to come around the corner firing. Right after the grenade goes off.
Rule of thumb: If you don't think photoshop can do something, then you haven't looked hard enough through the tools:)
Counterpoint: With very few exceptions, the same could be said of GIMP. If I have to look "hard enough" through the tools, then Photoshop isn't intuitive either.
I've noticed that an awful lot of people who have spent countless hours mastering a Windows or Mac based program are willing to diss a Linux based equivalent program as being 'hard to use'.
Maybe GIMP needs to come in a fancy box with a fancy price. Then it would be "easy to use".
Being honest, I could never call Photoshop easy to use. Nither is Paint Shop Pro or GIMP. A full-on graphics program isn't ever likely to earn the label 'intuitive' because there is nothing intuitive about controlling pixels on a monitor screen.
Sucking a bottle, crying, laughing and dirtying diapers is intuitive. But, like using a spoon, speech, fastening shoelaces and walking, using a computer requires training.
I use GIMP sometimes and PSP sometimes and even Microsoft Photo Editor on rare occaision. MPE is easy to use... but primarily because it is almost entirely devoid of features. The others take honest effort to use, let alone master.
I have a Mac in my basement. Until I have a garage sale, that's where it will stay. It sucks rocks. It is NOT intuitive. Having cut my teeth on DOS, a Mac is NOT easy to use because my previous training does not transfer well. Linux allows me to use my DOS training and my Windows training. To me, Linux is easier to use than the Mac OS's.
Having paid $500 for Corel Draw 5 when new, I have used top end graphic programs in WIndows. They suck, too.
I have an IQ between 140-150/200. I have been a computer user since the days of the XT. I have been a Linux user for about ten years and I taught DOS applications for three years. I feel qualified to claim that there is no such thing as 'intuitive' software. People are not born with an understanding of ANY software application... and that's what is required in order for it to actually be 'intuitive'.
Everything else is 'training' and the training for Windows begins in elementary school and is hammered home by constant advertisement in the mass media. By the time a teenager gets to choose their OS, Windows is the path of least resistance. As they go through high school and college, they will continue to be frequently forced to use Windows by such nonsense as remote learning software that won't talk to any browser except MSIE (without good reason) or professors who will only accept homework assignments in a single proprietary format for no better reason than their own ignorance regarding file importing. In high school and possibly even college, their instructors will seldom even be aware that Linux exists and can do the classroom tasks required of it.
As an adult, unconstrained by the choices of others, the thing to do is to examine the feature set of a program. If it will do what I need it to do at a price (time and money) that I feel I can afford, then I make a commitment to learning how to use it. If I am willing to make that commitment toward it, I will probably be able to use it successfully. Eventually. If I am not willing to make that commitment, disaster and frustration await me with all but the simplest of programs.
Just because you have dumped hours of time and sweat into learning a program is no cause to diss other programs you have not invested the same effort into learning. The program you have mastered was not intuitive at all and those other programs can not be any less intuitive.
On a side point, has anyone but me noted that a lot of the objections to Linux come from UI issues? Often the complaint is that the Linux program doesn't look enough like the equivalent Windows program to be 'easy to use' (to someone who spent months or years to become proficient with the Windows program)? Or that, once the Linux program DOES lo
After seeing me using Linux for a couple years (and seeing the BSOD twice weekly for the same time period) my wife asked me to install Linux for her. She got Mandrake 9.0. I showed her how to set up KMail and she hasn't had to ask me to do anything since.
I promise you... my wife will never be mistaken for a geek. I still do the admin stuff... but I had to do it when she was using Windows, too.
I've never seen an application program in Windows install / update / remove that easily and neither have you. No CD, no diskettes, no clicky-clicky, no "DoYouAgreeToStrangleYourChildrenClickYesOrTheSoft wareWillNotInstall" EULA. The only intellectual requirement is that the user be able to spell the programname and that the programname exist on the YUM server.
I just don't think that is too much to ask. My Dad first used a computer a few weeks ago. With 5 minutes (or less) instruction he could install a program on Linux. But he starts class for Windows on Monday because Windows baffles him.
As hard as it can be to find a scientist to tell the truth about something, it's even harder to find two scientists who agree on it.
So long as there are at least two people on the planet calling themselves scientists, there will be disagreement over a significant portion of what we call "facts".
Here's a fact you can take to the bank. "Green" scientists were arguing for Hitler to stop the V2 launches because their exhaust would louse up the ozone and bring an end to the planet. It never happened, Jack.
"We only have 20 years worth of oil reserves left". (That second one was popular around the 1970's, and 30 years later they still say we have 20 years worth left...)
That's because the projections only reach out 20 years. What they are saying is that there is plenty of oil to last AT LEAST 20 years. This gets twisted by "the greens" to suit their own, anti-human, political agendas.
"As long as Longhorn is several years away they can promise all the amazing innovations they like - we have to wait to see what they actually deliver."
I couldn't wait... I switched to Linux. Worked for me.
I've used Mac Classic and didn't find it all that friendly.
And, I find that Linux does a better job of supporting the hardware a home user is most likely to use than Windows does. A Linux user doesn't have to sweat installing drivers, rebooting, finding hardware, rebooting, finding the driver that actually works, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting, twiddling settings (reboot, reboot, reboot) in order to find out if the hardware is going to work or not. They simply plug in the hardware and either start the computer if it was turned off or run kudzu if it was already running. What's so hard about that?
"User friendly" is pretty subjective in my book. To a PC user, Mac isn't friendly... the stupid mouse doesn't even have enough buttons and stuff is hard to find. To a Mac user, a PC mouse has too many buttons and stuff is hard to find.
Well, guess what... a Linux mouse has the same number of buttons as a PC mouse and, for PC users, stuff is easy to find. OS-X does the same for Mac users.
People who can't learn to use Linux almost immediately were probably struggling with Windows, too.
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Maybe we should get in the habit of memorizing the final verses:
"In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me."
Woody Guthrie "This land is your land"
It's pretty simple. Really. If the label says RIAA on it anywhere, put the CD, tape or record back on the shelf. This is not rocket science or even algebra ... it's a plain, old-fashioned, works everytime, gets 'em where they live, wallet crunching, boycott. Like a baseball bat applied just behind the ear, there is nothing fancy to it at all but it will certainly get the message across.
If the clerk offers to help you find something, ask for their non-RIAA section. When they tell you they don't have one, thank them for their time and walk out of the store.
It doesn't matter what laws they get passed if we refuse to buy their products. The point is to stay away in droves and to let the retailers know what the problem is.
They'll find a way to fix it. They'll stop ordering RIAA titles they can't sell and maybe even start featuring the indies.
I suspect that, at least at first, the indies will be much more willing to do business our way.
There is a legalism involved in changing 'the media of expression' .. ie, when you change a song into a painting, a toaster into a graphic.
I think if you'll do the research you'll find that these things WERE enforced significantly for many years and that recently the enforcement standards had slipped. What you are seeing now is a return to the original standards ... long overdue, in my perspective.
... lots of them. He chose to cross them. He's off the air. I don't miss him because I never liked his overt crud to begin with.I think I have racked up a grand total of 1 minute listening to him. His stuff never belonged on the air and I'm glad it's gone.
There was a LONG time when no profanity was heard on the airwaves. It's only fairly recently that it has crept in. And I can not see why it should do so now. It's a pretty poor communicator who can not communicate an idea without resorting to those terms. Do a little research on Lenny Bruce or George Carlins' "7 words".
Howard Stern knew full well that he was crossing lines
I just wish that the FCC's authority extended to CD's so I wouldn't have to listen to profanity blasting at me in traffic.
Ummm ... this 'lotsa people use it so lotsa people abuse it' argument held water until Apache took the lead in the web server wars. Yet last weeks MSIE vulnerability du jour required that a IIS server first be penetrated ... not an Apache one.
Apache has had a 2:1 margin over all Microsoft web servers combined for quite some time now. Try to keep up, eh?
Wow ... sysadmins who NEED chainsaws and chippers!
If you don't mind my asking, what OS are you using?
In Mozilla Firefox on KDE / FC2, a right press (without releasing afterward) causes a menu to appear. Moving the mouse cursor over a selection causes that selection to be visually identified. Upon release of that button while a selection is visually identified, that selection is activated and run. For certain of the selections, it is not necessary to release the button for an additional menu to be displayed with subordinate choices made available.
... why isn't it being brought to the USPTO before these baloney patents are issued?
There IS prior art
Is it technically possible for an ISP (ANY ISP, not just Comcast) to watch incoming email and forbid identical outgoing email? Perhaps calculate a quick checksum for the inbound and block (before it is even sent) that checksum (based on the body text, not the headers) from exiting?
That seems like it would stop a good percentage of spam from ever exiting the zombied hosts.
Hate to do this to ya, buddy ... but Mandrake 8.0 installed just fine for me. It worked in single boot and dual boot (Win98SE) and single boot with VMware.
Time out ... WINDOWS claims to be user friendly, remember?
... which it has NEVER been able to do.
Fedora is Linux and Linux is hard, hard, hard to use. Remember? And that means that Windows should be able to install second
Unless, of course, Windows assumes "every single person out there will not dual boot".
You are complaining that Linux is only as good as Windows. Thanks, we've been waiting to hear that backhanded compliment for a long time. It feels good to hear it now.
Fedora isn't designed to 'run alongside of' XP; it's designed to kick it off the desktop entirely.
How do you expect Linux to take over the desktop with any OTHER kind of attitude?
Since it's only when you try to run Windows that this becomes a problem, I would argue that the real problem lies in trying to run Windows.
... Windows has never even tried to dual-boot with Linux so I can't get too excited if a distro clobbers Windows. ALL versions of Windows clobber ALL versions of Linux and no sign of let-up in sight.
Sorry guys
This will get fixed and kernel 2.6 will install alongside an existing Redmond OS. But hey, what's your hurry?
"That means that people have to make sure that their pages work in IE."
... let the IE users see the crud I've had to deal with for years from sites that were written to display well ONLY in MSIE despite having no code that other browsers could not handle. Stupid referrer checks and the people who use them when there is no need to!
Actually, no they don't. That's just more IE arrogance and I've had my fill of it. I don't even bother to check my pages with IE.If they work, fine. If they don't work, fine.
MSFT helped write the CSS standards. If IE can't render the decently compliant CSS (etc) that I write, tough
Actually 'the AK problem' is not a problem. If the thing gets trashed by being shot, the Marine knows to come around the corner firing. Right after the grenade goes off.
... no problem.
See
Michigan exempts food for home prepartion (as opposed to a cheeseburger and a soda at a drive through window.) and, IIRC, prescription drugs.
I have 117 days on FC1 running Apache, Postfix and FTP.
I don't understand your claim that FC is unstable.
Rule of thumb: If you don't think photoshop can do something, then you haven't looked hard enough through the tools :)
... but primarily because it is almost entirely devoid of features. The others take honest effort to use, let alone master.
... and that's what is required in order for it to actually be 'intuitive'.
Counterpoint: With very few exceptions, the same could be said of GIMP. If I have to look "hard enough" through the tools, then Photoshop isn't intuitive either.
I've noticed that an awful lot of people who have spent countless hours mastering a Windows or Mac based program are willing to diss a Linux based equivalent program as being 'hard to use'.
Maybe GIMP needs to come in a fancy box with a fancy price. Then it would be "easy to use".
Being honest, I could never call Photoshop easy to use. Nither is Paint Shop Pro or GIMP. A full-on graphics program isn't ever likely to earn the label 'intuitive' because there is nothing intuitive about controlling pixels on a monitor screen.
Sucking a bottle, crying, laughing and dirtying diapers is intuitive. But, like using a spoon, speech, fastening shoelaces and walking, using a computer requires training.
I use GIMP sometimes and PSP sometimes and even Microsoft Photo Editor on rare occaision. MPE is easy to use
I have a Mac in my basement. Until I have a garage sale, that's where it will stay. It sucks rocks. It is NOT intuitive. Having cut my teeth on DOS, a Mac is NOT easy to use because my previous training does not transfer well. Linux allows me to use my DOS training and my Windows training. To me, Linux is easier to use than the Mac OS's.
Having paid $500 for Corel Draw 5 when new, I have used top end graphic programs in WIndows. They suck, too.
I have an IQ between 140-150/200. I have been a computer user since the days of the XT. I have been a Linux user for about ten years and I taught DOS applications for three years. I feel qualified to claim that there is no such thing as 'intuitive' software. People are not born with an understanding of ANY software application
Everything else is 'training' and the training for Windows begins in elementary school and is hammered home by constant advertisement in the mass media. By the time a teenager gets to choose their OS, Windows is the path of least resistance. As they go through high school and college, they will continue to be frequently forced to use Windows by such nonsense as remote learning software that won't talk to any browser except MSIE (without good reason) or professors who will only accept homework assignments in a single proprietary format for no better reason than their own ignorance regarding file importing. In high school and possibly even college, their instructors will seldom even be aware that Linux exists and can do the classroom tasks required of it.
As an adult, unconstrained by the choices of others, the thing to do is to examine the feature set of a program. If it will do what I need it to do at a price (time and money) that I feel I can afford, then I make a commitment to learning how to use it. If I am willing to make that commitment toward it, I will probably be able to use it successfully. Eventually. If I am not willing to make that commitment, disaster and frustration await me with all but the simplest of programs.
Just because you have dumped hours of time and sweat into learning a program is no cause to diss other programs you have not invested the same effort into learning. The program you have mastered was not intuitive at all and those other programs can not be any less intuitive.
On a side point, has anyone but me noted that a lot of the objections to Linux come from UI issues? Often the complaint is that the Linux program doesn't look enough like the equivalent Windows program to be 'easy to use' (to someone who spent months or years to become proficient with the Windows program)? Or that, once the Linux program DOES lo
After seeing me using Linux for a couple years (and seeing the BSOD twice weekly for the same time period) my wife asked me to install Linux for her. She got Mandrake 9.0. I showed her how to set up KMail and she hasn't had to ask me to do anything since.
... my wife will never be mistaken for a geek. I still do the admin stuff ... but I had to do it when she was using Windows, too.
I promise you
Shall I call BS or will you concede to ignorance?
t wareWillNotInstall" EULA. The only intellectual requirement is that the user be able to spell the programname and that the programname exist on the YUM server.
yum install programname
yum update programname
yum remove programname
I've never seen an application program in Windows install / update / remove that easily and neither have you. No CD, no diskettes, no clicky-clicky, no "DoYouAgreeToStrangleYourChildrenClickYesOrTheSof
I just don't think that is too much to ask. My Dad first used a computer a few weeks ago. With 5 minutes (or less) instruction he could install a program on Linux. But he starts class for Windows on Monday because Windows baffles him.
Just because Windows doesn't come with SSH is no reason to ridicule it.
As hard as it can be to find a scientist to tell the truth about something, it's even harder to find two scientists who agree on it.
So long as there are at least two people on the planet calling themselves scientists, there will be disagreement over a significant portion of what we call "facts".
Here's a fact you can take to the bank. "Green" scientists were arguing for Hitler to stop the V2 launches because their exhaust would louse up the ozone and bring an end to the planet. It never happened, Jack.
"We only have 20 years worth of oil reserves left". (That second one was popular around the 1970's, and 30 years later they still say we have 20 years worth left...)
That's because the projections only reach out 20 years. What they are saying is that there is plenty of oil to last AT LEAST 20 years. This gets twisted by "the greens" to suit their own, anti-human, political agendas.
Even harder to do so with code that hasn't been released yet.
"As long as Longhorn is several years away they can promise all the amazing innovations they like - we have to wait to see what they actually deliver."
... I switched to Linux. Worked for me.
I couldn't wait
I've used Mac Classic and didn't find it all that friendly.
... the stupid mouse doesn't even have enough buttons and stuff is hard to find. To a Mac user, a PC mouse has too many buttons and stuff is hard to find.
... a Linux mouse has the same number of buttons as a PC mouse and, for PC users, stuff is easy to find. OS-X does the same for Mac users.
And, I find that Linux does a better job of supporting the hardware a home user is most likely to use than Windows does. A Linux user doesn't have to sweat installing drivers, rebooting, finding hardware, rebooting, finding the driver that actually works, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting, rebooting, twiddling settings (reboot, reboot, reboot) in order to find out if the hardware is going to work or not. They simply plug in the hardware and either start the computer if it was turned off or run kudzu if it was already running. What's so hard about that?
"User friendly" is pretty subjective in my book. To a PC user, Mac isn't friendly
Well, guess what
People who can't learn to use Linux almost immediately were probably struggling with Windows, too.