UDP is very datagram packet protocol on top of IP. What does that have to do with *rendering* speed exactly?
Besides, you wouldn't be able to get HTTP to work properly over UDP anyways.. UDP is datagram based. HTTP assumes a stream. You would have to re-write HTTP to work on UDP. It's not obvious how this would work to improve latency or throughput. UDP is not magic bullet.
If you're going to call someone over the internet, you need a static ip.. Or a dyndns domain name to route. Your average household connection, right now, if dynamic ip. It makes finding people difficult.
A second problem is the lack of deployment of high speed intenet... or maybe I should say, internet access that can be on 24/7 and not block the phone.
Oddly enough, these problems are the ones that p2p and instant messaging systems tend to get around. INstant messaging will alert you when someone is there and p2p has so many users it doesn't matter who is on, someone always is. Look how well they did.
I do find it funny that companies think users won't share internet accounts for multiple computers and will get two accounts. WiFi or not, I know no one with two i-net accounts for this purpose.
I bought one of those towers.. They are a good deal dammit! The last model was ~ the same price and had a slower single processor! I got more than 2x speed boost over the last generation powermac for 100$ more mouahaha!! You think they wil put dual 970 in the next model? I don't think so!
I had no idea not having a soul could lead to arthritis.
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IN other news today, scientists have just announced that exposure to UNIX increases the risk of cancer in lab mice. Scientists were befuddled by the results..
"All this time we thought other things were causing cancer in lab mice and all this time it was just the UNIX terminal we had running in the lab.. What a hoot, eh? I mean it was rather suspicious us finding that thing after thing caused cancer... In retrospect I supposed it was really the only SANE possibility.. I mean, I don't even know why we have the bloody thing.. No one here can figure out how to use it anyway.."
"What if it was our white lab coats.."
"Our lab coats cause cancer? Don't be ridiculous.. now that's just silly.."
Gees, I'm not sure how my original post got a "+5 Informative" because I didn't even include the link to the review I read! I mean, "+3 Insightful" or "+4 Interesting" I can understand... -->
What are you talking about? The 75Mhz Performa was a Performa 5200/75 CD Rev 1. This mac featured a 75Mhz 603 chip. I think it's the only mac to ever use the 603 instead of the 603e. The 603 wasen't used very much because it featured only 16k of level 1 cache. In tests Apple realized that with only 16k level 1 cache (Split into 8 data 8 instrcution) the mac 68k emulator ran really slowly. The 603e had double the level 1 cache and was made up to speed of 300Mhz.
There were two version of the basci 5200/75. One had a 2X CD-ROM with 8bit sound the other had a 4X CD-rom with 16 bit sound. I had the 2X version since I got it about a month or so before they were officialy realeased in the US. Both version of the 5200 line and most PPC performas were totaly crap machines. They were buggy and had absolutely terrible io.
Now.. as far as 68k prcessors.. the fastest 68k processor used in a mac was the 40Mhz 040 used in the Quadra 840AV. As far as I can remeber there was no 40Mhz 040 performas... The quickest one was 33Mhz I believe.
Of course Mot changed the way it rated Mhz of a processor. The 40Mhz 040 actually ran at 80Mhz but used a 40Mhz system bus... so talking Mhz on 040 processers can be a bit confusing. Same deal for most others.. By the end Apple was marketing them as 33/66Mhz machines.
Oh.. and MacOS 9 doesn't run on 68k machines anyway. 68K machines are limited to 8.1.. Which is a great MacOS release.
Warning. My keyboard sucks. The shift shift key sticks.. that being said:
I program in 4d, python, APplescript and whatever other languages we use at work. THe company I Work for is 100% Mac. I use MAcOS 9.2.2 at work. My faviorite OS in the entire world is MAcOS 8.1 so I'm not far off my dream platform.
I home, as a hobby, I write a program called Myster. MYster is a JAva program. MYster is developed in a WIndows 98SE machine. I use WINdows 98SE because the hardware is cheap and extremely high quality. The SUN JAva VM is also the best out there. I like to know which bugs are mine and which are JAva's. I like the hardware that WINdows 98 SE supports. I don't use WINdows 2000 or XP because I know where the bugs are in WIn98SE and my hardware is living peacefully with WIN98SE so I'm not moving.
I have two computers at home. ONe is a custom built PC made out of high end components. THe other is a MAc WInTUnnel machine. I bought the wind tunnel machine because most MYster users are using MAcOS X. I don't like MAcOS X. It's less pleasent to use than the MAcOS that went before it. THis is unforgivable. I use MAcOS X, because my users do. THE JAva AWT implementation on MAcOS X is terrible. MacOS X has the best JAVa deployment I have ever seen. THis leaves me with mixed feelings.
In addition to my "Wind tunnel" dual G4 tower and my bitching PC I have 5 copies of LInux I bought or got bundled with books. I've read several books on Linux / UNix. I've installed at least 3 linux distributions at one time or another. TO be blunt I do not understand what people see in this opperating system. It is a time spong. I've spent more time just trying to figure out how to do something simple in LInux then I have working around oddball bugs and installer problems. I don't have the pacience for Linux. I will use Linux if my MYster user base switches to LINux but LInux appears to be Developer freindly but user hostile while the ideas behind Myster is 100% the opposite. USers are gods.
BTW: I am writting this on my brother's computer. MY brother bought a HP pavilion. SO far the CD rom has broke and the keyboard is wonky. I am not a fan.
Oddly enough, my mom refuses to install updates since she doesn't know what they do. She has been running 10.1.2 for ages even though the updaters bugs her to update it.
Change == bad.
THat being said. The MacOS updater is a good thing. It's nice to know you don't need to worry about technical triva to have a safe system.
Blip- you system is unsecure.. would you like me to fix this
Nope.. No bug reports for you Mr. Free Developer. In order to submit bug reports you need to pay apple some money. You must pay before you can sumit bugs. Isn't that a great idea. Makes a whole lot of sense to me, I can tell you.
I have just realised that I am in the same boat.. I don't own a stereo, TV, cd player or any consumer electronics. I just use a cd-rom with a good amp etc.. DVD drive to get whatever I need. Looks like I am not going to be buying much in the way of music.
Months? ha! I've had two weeks at best! Then I had to reboot because i couldn't lanuch any newly created (installed whatever) programs... The time before that it was my desktop not showing me which files were hilighted...
OS 9 was slow compared to macOS 10 on a 366 G3? Are you serious? Your MacOS 9 was seriously screwed up. I've used macOS 9 on everything down to a 75Mhz Performa. I think it would take a 200Mhz PPC 603e before the speed of MacOS 10 on a 366G3 would catch up to the speed of MacOS 9. Esp. with that amount of ram.
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The biggest performance spong is Aqua's totaly absurd amount of iCandy.
After that we have
microkernal vs monolithic kernal penalty overhead of dynamic binding objective C
Most of it is aqua and the windowing system. It's runs quite nicely as a server platform on any hardware.
MacOS X 10.X is unberably slow on my iMac. On My dual 867, MacOS X is faster than macOS 9 but I run out of ram with 256 Megs (it starts to swap like a crazy man).
At a guess.. If you have any G4 with any video card with 32 megs of ram, MacOS 10.2 will be usable. The reasone: MacOS X is written with altivec and a 32 meg video card in mind. Anything less and you are doomed. Having a G3 and a crap video card means you are Windows 98 on a 486..
The wierdest thing in macOS X is the number of windows on your screen and the size they are is directly proportional to how much ram is taken up.. The more windows the less ram is free. I got to a situation where I was disk swapping like mad, so I closed about 20 full screen windows I had open in the two progs i was using (transparent terminal windows, code windows etc).. All of sudden the computer was much faster and swapped far, far, far less). The reasone for this is every window takes ram no matter if it is visible or not. So 20 windows at 1200X1000 * 32 bit colour = at least 93 megs or so. fun eh? That's in addition to the progs you use + the amount of ram MacOS takes up anyways.
I get a half dozen complaints about the GUI in my p2p program called Myster every few months. I have asked people to do mock-ups of what they would like to see in a GUI and have not yet received any. Personaly my ideal p2p GUI is in Myster (well, with some more intellegent window behavior). Many simple windows for a small learning curve and ability to do many things at once. or not..:-)
OSS no spyware Unicode everywhere (lots of japaneese stuff)
Someone calls.. no one at the other end... type ata. and bingo, some guy with a modem who got the wrong number. It happened quite often for some reason. I expect my number was one off from a local BBS.
About the first point, linux has more interface problems than just those involving window managers. I don't think it could significantly improve its ui if there were fewer window managers.. I think a better strategy to improve linux ui would be to delete all shells in unix and start from there. Delete make, gcc and anything else that outputs or manipulates code while you're at it. A person is by definition not a "home user" or "common user" if they make use of a shell, much less some sort of development tool.
I've been using Macs and other systems for about 10 years now and object to Steve's/Apple's "we know what's best" ui attitude. The Mac has allowed interface tweaks almost since its inception and they have not confused new users or made anything more difficult or caused the sky to fall either. If anything, third party tweaks have vastly improved the MacOS GUI over the years. Almost every ui tweak after system 7 started off as a third party modification. Window shade, menu bar clock, hierarchical apple menu, half of everything in now utilities, speed copy etc... Third party add-ons integrated into the system are what made the pre 9 MacOS such an incredible experience. Apple has forgotten all this since the development team was taken over by the NeXT pod people. They don't have the foggiest idea what they are doing and they don't have the foggiest idea why the classic MacOS interface rocks. The very least they could do is admit their incompetence and allow third parties to fix their errors.
Oh yay, there's a free IDE with MacOS X. Hurray! Yippy!
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UDP is very datagram packet protocol on top of IP. What does that have to do with *rendering* speed exactly?
Besides, you wouldn't be able to get HTTP to work properly over UDP anyways.. UDP is datagram based. HTTP assumes a stream. You would have to re-write HTTP to work on UDP. It's not obvious how this would work to improve latency or throughput. UDP is not magic bullet.
If you're going to call someone over the internet, you need a static ip.. Or a dyndns domain name to route. Your average household connection, right now, if dynamic ip. It makes finding people difficult.
A second problem is the lack of deployment of high speed intenet... or maybe I should say, internet access that can be on 24/7 and not block the phone.
Oddly enough, these problems are the ones that p2p and instant messaging systems tend to get around. INstant messaging will alert you when someone is there and p2p has so many users it doesn't matter who is on, someone always is. Look how well they did.
I do find it funny that companies think users won't share internet accounts for multiple computers and will get two accounts. WiFi or not, I know no one with two i-net accounts for this purpose.
I was trying to find out how to clear the history from XUL in mozilla when suddenly ->
/**** No honey, I haven't been visiting any porn sites. ****/
p er /there.is.only.xul"
The comment above the code for clearing the history in mozilla is something like
Mozilla has lots of stuff like that.
I mean this is how you import the standard library ->
xmlns="http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekee
Try Myster. It's opensource free and easy as hell to use.
I bought one of those towers.. They are a good deal dammit! The last model was ~ the same price and had a slower single processor! I got more than 2x speed boost over the last generation powermac for 100$ more mouahaha!! You think they wil put dual 970 in the next model? I don't think so!
I love my wind tunnel!
What?
I SAID I LOVE MY WINDTUNNEL!
WHAT?
oh, never mind..
Yes.. I agree.. this story is:
"Crackpot makes impressive claim!"
wow.
I had no idea not having a soul could lead to arthritis.
IN other news today, scientists have just announced that exposure to UNIX increases the risk of cancer in lab mice. Scientists were befuddled by the results..
"All this time we thought other things were causing cancer in lab mice and all this time it was just the UNIX terminal we had running in the lab.. What a hoot, eh? I mean it was rather suspicious us finding that thing after thing caused cancer... In retrospect I supposed it was really the only SANE possibility.. I mean, I don't even know why we have the bloody thing.. No one here can figure out how to use it anyway.."
"What if it was our white lab coats.."
"Our lab coats cause cancer? Don't be ridiculous.. now that's just silly.."
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Gees, I'm not sure how my original post got a "+5 Informative" because I didn't even include the link to the review I read! I mean, "+3 Insightful" or "+4 Interesting" I can understand...
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Maybe the +5 refers to your sig.
What are you talking about? The 75Mhz Performa was a Performa 5200/75 CD Rev 1. This mac featured a 75Mhz 603 chip. I think it's the only mac to ever use the 603 instead of the 603e. The 603 wasen't used very much because it featured only 16k of level 1 cache. In tests Apple realized that with only 16k level 1 cache (Split into 8 data 8 instrcution) the mac 68k emulator ran really slowly. The 603e had double the level 1 cache and was made up to speed of 300Mhz.
.. so talking Mhz on 040 processers can be a bit confusing. Same deal for most others.. By the end Apple was marketing them as 33/66Mhz machines.
There were two version of the basci 5200/75. One had a 2X CD-ROM with 8bit sound the other had a 4X CD-rom with 16 bit sound. I had the 2X version since I got it about a month or so before they were officialy realeased in the US. Both version of the 5200 line and most PPC performas were totaly crap machines. They were buggy and had absolutely terrible io.
Now.. as far as 68k prcessors.. the fastest 68k processor used in a mac was the 40Mhz 040 used in the Quadra 840AV. As far as I can remeber there was no 40Mhz 040 performas... The quickest one was 33Mhz I believe.
Of course Mot changed the way it rated Mhz of a processor. The 40Mhz 040 actually ran at 80Mhz but used a 40Mhz system bus.
Oh.. and MacOS 9 doesn't run on 68k machines anyway. 68K machines are limited to 8.1.. Which is a great MacOS release.
Warning. My keyboard sucks. The shift shift key sticks.. that being said:
I program in 4d, python, APplescript and whatever other languages we use at work. THe company I Work for is 100% Mac. I use MAcOS 9.2.2 at work. My faviorite OS in the entire world is MAcOS 8.1 so I'm not far off my dream platform.
I home, as a hobby, I write a program called Myster. MYster is a JAva program. MYster is developed in a WIndows 98SE machine. I use WINdows 98SE because the hardware is cheap and extremely high quality. The SUN JAva VM is also the best out there. I like to know which bugs are mine and which are JAva's. I like the hardware that WINdows 98 SE supports. I don't use WINdows 2000 or XP because I know where the bugs are in WIn98SE and my hardware is living peacefully with WIN98SE so I'm not moving.
I have two computers at home. ONe is a custom built PC made out of high end components. THe other is a MAc WInTUnnel machine. I bought the wind tunnel machine because most MYster users are using MAcOS X. I don't like MAcOS X. It's less pleasent to use than the MAcOS that went before it. THis is unforgivable. I use MAcOS X, because my users do. THE JAva AWT implementation on MAcOS X is terrible. MacOS X has the best JAVa deployment I have ever seen. THis leaves me with mixed feelings.
In addition to my "Wind tunnel" dual G4 tower and my bitching PC I have 5 copies of LInux I bought or got bundled with books. I've read several books on Linux / UNix. I've installed at least 3 linux distributions at one time or another. TO be blunt I do not understand what people see in this opperating system. It is a time spong. I've spent more time just trying to figure out how to do something simple in LInux then I have working around oddball bugs and installer problems. I don't have the pacience for Linux. I will use Linux if my MYster user base switches to LINux but LInux appears to be Developer freindly but user hostile while the ideas behind Myster is 100% the opposite. USers are gods.
BTW: I am writting this on my brother's computer. MY brother bought a HP pavilion. SO far the CD rom has broke and the keyboard is wonky. I am not a fan.
Oddly enough, my mom refuses to install updates since she doesn't know what they do. She has been running 10.1.2 for ages even though the updaters bugs her to update it.
Change == bad.
THat being said. The MacOS updater is a good thing. It's nice to know you don't need to worry about technical triva to have a safe system.
Blip- you system is unsecure.. would you like me to fix this
CLick yes.
YOur system is now secure again..
AHhhh... so nice.
I throw like a Llama..
Nope.. No bug reports for you Mr. Free Developer. In order to submit bug reports you need to pay apple some money. You must pay before you can sumit bugs. Isn't that a great idea. Makes a whole lot of sense to me, I can tell you.
I, for one, don't think much of Unix path conventions since your average Unix program breaks when it encounters a space.
/foo/bar/moo.lib
/Foo/bar/moo.lib
DoS attacks, no prob.
64-bit systems no prob.
protected memory.. sure..
Space characters - Aggghh!
That and Unix is STILL used hard paths instead of file IDs..
renamed to
AGGHHH! Program can could survive a nuke is taken out by a one char difference two folders below some library.
Anyways...
I have just realised that I am in the same boat.. I don't own a stereo, TV, cd player or any consumer electronics. I just use a cd-rom with a good amp etc.. DVD drive to get whatever I need. Looks like I am not going to be buying much in the way of music.
Months? ha! I've had two weeks at best! Then I had to reboot because i couldn't lanuch any newly created (installed whatever) programs... The time before that it was my desktop not showing me which files were hilighted...
OS 9 was slow compared to macOS 10 on a 366 G3? Are you serious? Your MacOS 9 was seriously screwed up. I've used macOS 9 on everything down to a 75Mhz Performa. I think it would take a 200Mhz PPC 603e before the speed of MacOS 10 on a 366G3 would catch up to the speed of MacOS 9. Esp. with that amount of ram.
The biggest performance spong is Aqua's totaly absurd amount of iCandy.
After that we have
microkernal vs monolithic kernal penalty
overhead of dynamic binding objective C
Most of it is aqua and the windowing system. It's runs quite nicely as a server platform on any hardware.
I have a 400Mhz iMac and a dual 867Mhz G4 tower.
MacOS X 10.X is unberably slow on my iMac. On My dual 867, MacOS X is faster than macOS 9 but I run out of ram with 256 Megs (it starts to swap like a crazy man).
At a guess.. If you have any G4 with any video card with 32 megs of ram, MacOS 10.2 will be usable. The reasone: MacOS X is written with altivec and a 32 meg video card in mind. Anything less and you are doomed. Having a G3 and a crap video card means you are Windows 98 on a 486..
The wierdest thing in macOS X is the number of windows on your screen and the size they are is directly proportional to how much ram is taken up.. The more windows the less ram is free. I got to a situation where I was disk swapping like mad, so I closed about 20 full screen windows I had open in the two progs i was using (transparent terminal windows, code windows etc).. All of sudden the computer was much faster and swapped far, far, far less). The reasone for this is every window takes ram no matter if it is visible or not. So 20 windows at 1200X1000 * 32 bit colour = at least 93 megs or so. fun eh? That's in addition to the progs you use + the amount of ram MacOS takes up anyways.
I get a half dozen complaints about the GUI in my p2p program called Myster every few months. I have asked people to do mock-ups of what they would like to see in a GUI and have not yet received any. Personaly my ideal p2p GUI is in Myster (well, with some more intellegent window behavior). Many simple windows for a small learning curve and ability to do many things at once. or not.. :-)
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You're mixed metaphore involving building with flexible foundations brought to mind the picture of a bungie building...
big wabbly springloading buildings... boing!
Wow... I have had the same sort of experience...
Someone calls.. no one at the other end... type ata. and bingo, some guy with a modem who got the wrong number. It happened quite often for some reason. I expect my number was one off from a local BBS.
Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
Feed a man for life and he'll go out throw a big block of Sodium in the lake and kill all the fish just to watch is go fiiizzzzzzzzz.......
Moral: Men like things that go fizzzzzz more than fish.
About the first point, linux has more interface problems than just those involving window managers. I don't think it could significantly improve its ui if there were fewer window managers.. I think a better strategy to improve linux ui would be to delete all shells in unix and start from there. Delete make, gcc and anything else that outputs or manipulates code while you're at it. A person is by definition not a "home user" or "common user" if they make use of a shell, much less some sort of development tool.
I've been using Macs and other systems for about 10 years now and object to Steve's/Apple's "we know what's best" ui attitude. The Mac has allowed interface tweaks almost since its inception and they have not confused new users or made anything more difficult or caused the sky to fall either. If anything, third party tweaks have vastly improved the MacOS GUI over the years. Almost every ui tweak after system 7 started off as a third party modification. Window shade, menu bar clock, hierarchical apple menu, half of everything in now utilities, speed copy etc... Third party add-ons integrated into the system are what made the pre 9 MacOS such an incredible experience. Apple has forgotten all this since the development team was taken over by the NeXT pod people. They don't have the foggiest idea what they are doing and they don't have the foggiest idea why the classic MacOS interface rocks. The very least they could do is admit their incompetence and allow third parties to fix their errors.
Oh yay, there's a free IDE with MacOS X. Hurray! Yippy!