As some one who works with newbs every day I can say without a doubt that the Mozilla people are one hundred percent correct.
I agree it would lead to confusion unless you effectively hid one of the options from view, which is what I think they should do. Make the "lite" version buried in an "other versions" page or something like that. Newbies may need some hand-holding and "limitations" placed to get them through things, but that's no reason why everyone should be limited by their lack of savvy.
FireFox FireFox Lite plus optional extension pack that includes all extensions in FireFox
That solution has been suggested more than once, but keeps getting rejected. I think it's a good idea but the powers at Mozilla think it will cause confusion.
I mean the anti-phishing thing and spellchecker are both cool, but why not leave these two things (particularly the spellchecker) as extensions?
Because most people are too stupid to install extensions, so if the browser doesn't come with X feature out-of-the-box, they assume it doesn't exist at all and say "Look! I.E. has it so it's better!"
Even if you point out it can be added they still say it's worse because you have to go and download it separately. "Ugh! So much WORK!"
Here's the story- if you can follow it [wikipedia.org]Basically, CBS created Paramount, which split off back in the 1970s, which was eventually aquired by Viacomm, which got swallowed back up by CBS.
That's how it happened but it's sorta turned around when you state it like that. The Viacom of today is not the same as the Viacom media giant we all used to know.
Viacom didn't get swallowed back up by CBS, CBS got swallowed up by Viacom, which then split itself into two entities, the larger one took the CBS name and the other took over the Viacom name.
So it's sorta like the SBC/AT&T merger. SBC buys AT&T, then changes its name to AT&T, which to most consumers makes it look like AT&T actually swallowed up SBC. Only here the result is two smaller companies instead of a single larger combined entity.
One sticking point here though, according to the Viacom article, Viacom holds Paramount's movie studio, CBS only has the television side of Paramount.
This is the one point you've made so far that has any remotely true validity. 800MHz support would help in the US. That's not to say it's 100% necessary, with a number of operators 1900MHz is the only frequency available. 1900MHz isn't awful, it's just there's more coverage when you combine the two, and in certain locations 1900MHz can be difficult to get. Cingular gets a poor (800MHz) signal in my home, T-Mobile's (1900MHz) is relatively good.
Cingular is 850mhz. This phone actually doesn't support the largest carrier in the U.S. Although they do have some areas of 1900mhz from their aquisition of AT&T wireless.
From the InfoWorld article: All French government publications should be made available in OpenDocument Format [CC] (ODF), according to a report commissioned by the French prime minister.
Does that mean we have to start calling it "Freedom Format" in the U.S.?
Tri-band (900/1800/1900) GSM radio -- meaning it should work with any GSM-GPRS SIM card, including pre-paid SIM cards as well as those from traditional GSM service providers.
Isn't most of Cingular's network 850mhz? This is why there are many separate "U.S." and "European" versions of GSM phones. T-Mobile (last time I looked at new phones) generally offers the "European" version (900/1800/1900) which even when unlocked aren't as useful on Cingular's network (unless you're on a patch of the old AT&T Wireless network, which was also 1900mhz). But the "American" phones include the 850mhz frequency instead of 900.
I wasn't being mean, I was just pointing out he's right. If the watch is heavier than your mobile phone it would make more sense to just strap your phone to your wrist. You can read the display, push the reject button to send the call to voicemail, and you could access the volume controls for the phone's ringer and use the phone in speakerphone mode too!
Because the UK media have been telling people "careful about what you click on when go online, there are bad people out there". People don't trust little weird geeky sites which assume knowledgeable users.
They also are told not to download lots of stuff online and be wary of software being offered for free. People don't expect quality software to come without a price tag and are suspicious of free office programs and free operating systems, thinkng they are loaded with spyware or unsecure in some other way.
Maybe what OSS needs to do is ironically enough, start charging people (even if it's just ten bucks) pool resources and lease some space on a grocery store display if they want to increase marketshare, rather than directing people to a free download.
According to reports I've heard about this damn thing is that it weighs MORE than an actual phone. Now tell me, why would I want some horrid piece of equipment strapped to my arm that actually weighs MORE than the actual thing? It makes no sense.
Yeah, you could just take a rubber band and attach your phone to your wrist instead!
Just imagine a dog or a lizard trying to get you turned on? (or a fat chick)
You really don't spend much time on the underbelly of the Internet, do you? All of these have porn sites dedicated to them (not that I personally am interested, but you come across stuff).
but why doesn't this story have a "from the ____ department" subheader?
Taco was going to write "From the Firefox dept." but he wasn't interested in paying trademark licensing fees. Plus there was any place to include the logo and they cannot be separated!
Yahoo notes that there are 'no security risks' since they keep absolute control of usernames and passwords.
Why does the phrase "famous last words" come to me when I hear that. I can almost imagine it being spoken by Hammond in Jurrasic Park when he's talking about how safe the attractions are and that it's impossible for the dinosaurs to breed.
I forsee an explot being developed or maybe someone will just write a new "service" that makes use of Yahoo's systems that also happens to pass the username/pass to a more nafarious author.
Remember, the tool is only as safe as the operator. AOL's search didn't even ask for people to enter their Social Security Numbers.
Yeah I was just joking there. Someone else provided a link to the page that shows all the offical and unofficial logo pics and buttons as well. I honestly didn't know the "unofficial" logo was unofficial. I've seen the lamp and plain swirl logos before, but it was never really clear that one had trademark/copyright attached to it. Given my confusion, I don't know if the the two logos can really fulfill their purpose. They are too similar for one thing.
If two logo designs are both heavily used and the consumer is unaware of the differences, how does this prevent confusion over branding?
Maybe that is why Mozilla doesn't want to create an unoffical pair for free use. Part of branding is public perception, so an image/word widely used in relation to a product will come to be associated with the product like a brand whether the brand is the company's own or not. Think of all the people who think the name of the computer company is "Mac" or "Macintosh" and not "Apple Computer, Inc." Apple faces this dilemma quite often with the iPod trademark overshadowing the company itself. Or the way the company took on the name of their product (like with the Palm handheld or the Rio MP3 players) because the public didn't recognise the company for who they were without being told.
That would generally be called obstruction of justice, which would expose individuals inside Google to the possibility of spending some time in a Brazilian jail. If a court of law has asked you for information, it's illegal to destroy it.
They would have to prove you distroyed it interntionally. You know, hard drives crash, backup routines fail for mechanical and human error reasons.../me hides gasoline can
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That wouldn't have made any sense anyway since SP2 came out months before WGA, how else would have everyone else have gotten SP2 first?
I agree it would lead to confusion unless you effectively hid one of the options from view, which is what I think they should do. Make the "lite" version buried in an "other versions" page or something like that. Newbies may need some hand-holding and "limitations" placed to get them through things, but that's no reason why everyone should be limited by their lack of savvy.
That solution has been suggested more than once, but keeps getting rejected. I think it's a good idea but the powers at Mozilla think it will cause confusion.
Even if you point out it can be added they still say it's worse because you have to go and download it separately. "Ugh! So much WORK!"
It wasn't a bar so much as a tripwire. Now it cuts you off at the knees.
In Soviet Russia, Lego Mindstorms tinker with YOU
...and put Friggin LASERS in your head!
Viacom didn't get swallowed back up by CBS, CBS got swallowed up by Viacom, which then split itself into two entities, the larger one took the CBS name and the other took over the Viacom name.
So it's sorta like the SBC/AT&T merger. SBC buys AT&T, then changes its name to AT&T, which to most consumers makes it look like AT&T actually swallowed up SBC. Only here the result is two smaller companies instead of a single larger combined entity.
One sticking point here though, according to the Viacom article, Viacom holds Paramount's movie studio, CBS only has the television side of Paramount.
Didn't you read the summary?
Air is drawn through the holes when the disc spins causing the flexible disc to be drawn against the rigid piece of glass to make it flat."
The air is sucked through the holes, pulling the disc against the piece of glass.
Yeah... Ha-Ha... fuuunny. I meant the webpage in IE was redundant, not my comment itself.
Isn't most of Cingular's network 850mhz? This is why there are many separate "U.S." and "European" versions of GSM phones. T-Mobile (last time I looked at new phones) generally offers the "European" version (900/1800/1900) which even when unlocked aren't as useful on Cingular's network (unless you're on a patch of the old AT&T Wireless network, which was also 1900mhz). But the "American" phones include the 850mhz frequency instead of 900.
A cancerous homepage displayed within Internet Explorer? Isn't that redundant?
Flamebait? What-ever!
I wasn't being mean, I was just pointing out he's right. If the watch is heavier than your mobile phone it would make more sense to just strap your phone to your wrist. You can read the display, push the reject button to send the call to voicemail, and you could access the volume controls for the phone's ringer and use the phone in speakerphone mode too!
They also are told not to download lots of stuff online and be wary of software being offered for free. People don't expect quality software to come without a price tag and are suspicious of free office programs and free operating systems, thinkng they are loaded with spyware or unsecure in some other way.
Maybe what OSS needs to do is ironically enough, start charging people (even if it's just ten bucks) pool resources and lease some space on a grocery store display if they want to increase marketshare, rather than directing people to a free download.
Yeah, you could just take a rubber band and attach your phone to your wrist instead!
You really don't spend much time on the underbelly of the Internet, do you? All of these have porn sites dedicated to them (not that I personally am interested, but you come across stuff).
Taco was going to write "From the Firefox dept." but he wasn't interested in paying trademark licensing fees. Plus there was any place to include the logo and they cannot be separated!
Why does the phrase "famous last words" come to me when I hear that. I can almost imagine it being spoken by Hammond in Jurrasic Park when he's talking about how safe the attractions are and that it's impossible for the dinosaurs to breed.
I forsee an explot being developed or maybe someone will just write a new "service" that makes use of Yahoo's systems that also happens to pass the username/pass to a more nafarious author.
Remember, the tool is only as safe as the operator. AOL's search didn't even ask for people to enter their Social Security Numbers.
Yeah I was just joking there. Someone else provided a link to the page that shows all the offical and unofficial logo pics and buttons as well. I honestly didn't know the "unofficial" logo was unofficial. I've seen the lamp and plain swirl logos before, but it was never really clear that one had trademark/copyright attached to it. Given my confusion, I don't know if the the two logos can really fulfill their purpose. They are too similar for one thing.
If two logo designs are both heavily used and the consumer is unaware of the differences, how does this prevent confusion over branding?
Maybe that is why Mozilla doesn't want to create an unoffical pair for free use. Part of branding is public perception, so an image/word widely used in relation to a product will come to be associated with the product like a brand whether the brand is the company's own or not. Think of all the people who think the name of the computer company is "Mac" or "Macintosh" and not "Apple Computer, Inc." Apple faces this dilemma quite often with the iPod trademark overshadowing the company itself. Or the way the company took on the name of their product (like with the Palm handheld or the Rio MP3 players) because the public didn't recognise the company for who they were without being told.
Armstrong desended the ladder and was about to step on the surface when it was Aldrin that spoke first...
"Wait, Neil! That's no moon..."
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(I know it's not kosher to reply to yourself but I accidentally set this set up with the "No, wait...")
Yup, the Moon spoke first! No, wait...
They would have to prove you distroyed it interntionally. You know, hard drives crash, backup routines fail for mechanical and human error reasons...