A company is promising they wont take advantage of a way to charge you 10x more for their service? Is there a way to turn off the battery monitoring on their app by any chance?
... week later on my lenovo at work i'm seeing ads from the same sites she visited. same with Fredricks of Hollywood. she bought a costume there for halloween and i saw their ads at work with half naked women on my slashdot page.
Why aren't you blocking ads to begin with on a machine you're using at work?
Reminiscent of the arguments for putting pollution filtering on fossil fuel burning power plants vs. capturing pollution from every individual personal motor vehicle.
Not really. The cost of pollution controls on cars can be easily passed on to consumers because it is a tangible part on the automobile. On a power plant it will have to be factored into existing operational costs and how to divvy these up to the consumers (by usage, flat rate, additional incidental charge,etc).
You can't charge students taking a test for the camera pointing at them.
The study found that people with low blood amounts of THC -- or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the main psychoactive component of pot -- may still act as if they're really stoned. On the other hand, some people may have THC measurements off the charts yet still act normally.
This just in! The reaction of a person to a drug can vary from person to person. Also... not everyone starts with the same level of driving ability before they ingest the substance. So it's not really possible to do a fair "one size fits all" law. This goes for alcohol, too.
Perhaps MS is just creating a glaring loophole and giving everyone a "wink and a nod" to allow them charge for Windows 10 at the same time as making it "free" for anyone who wants it...
Why am I getting the mental image of a pig-faced prostitute with too much makeup, that nobody wants to bang, winking and and nodding from a street corner.
But I'm sure Microsoft did not profit in any way financially from that ad.
Your phrase "not profit financially" is shifting the goalposts. The thread was about whether the telemetry data is being monetized.
Your first link was about pointing users, based on their usage, to apps that might might be relevant but they hadn't considered or noticed.
You're turning this into a semantics argument now. The original comment was that Microsoft was collecting info to make money -- we know that what the AC meant that they used the data in an activity (a "step 2") that made money, not that the act of spying itself gained them greenbacks.
But here you come. "Nuh-uhh! You have to do something with the info to make money.
And me: "Yeah, they are doing something with the info. Straight from the horses mouth, they use the data to tailor messages to users that appear on their Lock screens, in their Start menus, and in the lower-right corner of their monitors. These messages include suggestions for software products. Software products that are sometimes not free, and that Microsoft makes money off of, either indirectly through advertising revenue from the developers, or through direct compensation for making the product available via their own Windows App storefront.
I see a MS Office ad-blip almost every day at work. And no, I doesn't have to be a full-blown page extolling the virtues of Office to count as an advertisement. It appeared on-screen unannounced, it broke my attention from what I was doing (that corner is where system messages appear after all), and it wants me to seek info on a paid product -- It's an ad.
When I change the default browser on a Windows 10 machine at work to Firefox, it doesn't just change over -- it makes me go through what really is a page extolling the virtues of MS Edge, and then after declining that it changes over. That's also an advertisement. My usage of Edge over Firefox also benefits Microsoft in that they are able to collect more info based on my usage of their product, info that's used in marketing, or to help sell me into using other Microsoft services (like their web properties).
All of these activities benefit Microsoft financially in that they allow them to collect information on customers (current and potential) with a minimum of effort on their part. So this "you're shift goalposts" argument now is just horse shit. The information makes them money is the end result. Period.
I will concede that Microsoft only support 8.1 (which is a service pack for 8.0), however mainstream support for 8.1 is January 9, 2018 (as per the Microsoft web site). I did not explain it properly however I did provide the URL for the Microsoft support information site. Even if you still had MS Win 8 you can still get a free upgrade to 8.1 see here so even though I was technically wrong in stating Win 8 was mainstream supported till January 9, 2018 there is no associated cost with upgrading to Win 8.1 and getting free "mainstream support" at least until January 9, 2018.
There are two types of support Microsoft provides for their operating systems, they are "mainstream support" which is free while "extended support" requires you to pay for it and somehow I doubt most home PC users would pay for this service.
17. How long do you provide security updates for your products?
Security updates will be available through the duration of the product’s support lifecycle (5 years of Mainstream Support or 2 years after the successor product (N+1) is released, whichever is longer, and 5 years Extended Support or 2 years after the second successor product (N+2) is released, whichever is longer) at no additional cost for most products.
"Desktop Operating Systems" falls into this category, and it doesn't matter if it's Home, Pro, or Enterprise. Remember that Windows XP Home users continued to get security fixes until just a couple years ago.
Do you think that mystery step (2) in Windows is using it for targeted advertising? or something else? I find it hard to make the leap from telemetry like "anonymized data shows Solitaire is the third-most popular program" (made up datapoint) to "targeting ads to this customer is worth $XYZ", but maybe there's something there that I'm just not seeing.
If someone with a tablet hadn't used their stylus, Spotlight might display an image highlighting drawing apps. In his demonstration, Spotlight prompted users to download the Fresh Paint app. That's one of Microsoft's own apps, but Belfiore emphasized that this is about introducing users to the entire Windows ecosystem — a similar app suggestion slot is being placed right in the Start menu, too.
But I'm sure Microsoft did not profit in any way financially from that ad. After all -- Rise of the Tomb Raider is not a Microsoft game, and I'm sure they're advertising it for Square Enix for free, right? And if you do buy Rise of the Tomb Raider, through the Windows Store as the ad suggests, Microsoft is going to forego their 30% cut. Right?
I myself work at Microsoft -- not in the Windows division; our division's product Visual Studio does collect opt-in telemetry, and our missing step (2) is nothing more sinister than "improve the product so that future customers are more likely to want to use it".
If you're in a different division I don't hold it against you. I'd chalk this up to "one hand not knowing what the other's doing" -- hardly a new thing at Microsoft.
I hate to bust your bubble here but Microsoft only has mainstream support for Windows 8 (8.1 is a service pack) as well as Windows 10. Take a look here and Win 8 is only mainstream supported till January 9, 2018 which is not that far away. Sure you can get extended support for Vista, Win 7 and even Win 8 but you will be paying for that.
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If that sort of thing bothers you, don't use Android? It's unlikely Uber has access to that information on iOS.
Unless the app's "low-power mode" is an Android exclusive I'm sure they do.
A company is promising they wont take advantage of a way to charge you 10x more for their service?
Is there a way to turn off the battery monitoring on their app by any chance?
... week later on my lenovo at work i'm seeing ads from the same sites she visited. same with Fredricks of Hollywood. she bought a costume there for halloween and i saw their ads at work with half naked women on my slashdot page.
Why aren't you blocking ads to begin with on a machine you're using at work?
Up to a dollar per minute. Shall I lube up now?
Sounds like I need to call a 1-900 number to buy tickets.
It certainly has much wider adoption.
I hear it's being held up on production by some back-and-forth between the lead talents.
Reminiscent of the arguments for putting pollution filtering on fossil fuel burning power plants vs. capturing pollution from every individual personal motor vehicle.
Not really. The cost of pollution controls on cars can be easily passed on to consumers because it is a tangible part on the automobile. On a power plant it will have to be factored into existing operational costs and how to divvy these up to the consumers (by usage, flat rate, additional incidental charge,etc).
You can't charge students taking a test for the camera pointing at them.
The video shows the robot entering the stomach and grabbing the battery.... Well, THEN WHAT? There are two ways to leave, up or down.
Did you read the whole summary?
What's the point of custom firmware when you have to put it on crap Belkin hardware?
Microsoft apparently doesn't want Windows users deciding to use anybody but them to support their OS.
Microsoft does not provide support their OS for the majority of people using that. That's the OEM's job.
I certainly hope that the FCC does not begin enforcing this with fines and threatened jail time.
Threats of jail time for router manufacturers?
Why did the version numbering jump so much? It went from 9.38 to 15.05 in five months with no releases between those two.
Courts have found that you cannot expect a police officer to know the law that they are enforcing.
Meanwhile, on the flip-side, ignorantia juris non excusat.
The study found that people with low blood amounts of THC -- or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the main psychoactive component of pot -- may still act as if they're really stoned. On the other hand, some people may have THC measurements off the charts yet still act normally.
This just in! The reaction of a person to a drug can vary from person to person. Also... not everyone starts with the same level of driving ability before they ingest the substance. So it's not really possible to do a fair "one size fits all" law. This goes for alcohol, too.
Googe's intent was to use a font is clearly similar to Google's trademark.
It may have a potential to hurt Google's brand. That's enough for Google to win a lawsuit.
Honestly it feels like she did it on purpose, because she wants the publicity and sympathy a lawsuit by a huge company would bring.
Peter Thiel has agreed to back Trump as a California delegate in Cleveland this summer.
What is that supposed to mean?
Perhaps MS is just creating a glaring loophole and giving everyone a "wink and a nod" to allow them charge for Windows 10 at the same time as making it "free" for anyone who wants it...
Why am I getting the mental image of a pig-faced prostitute with too much makeup, that nobody wants to bang, winking and and nodding from a street corner.
>Of course they could release an update for windows live mail which removed the "force https stream / don't allow imap for microsoft domains"..
Did they really block you from just entering the account as a regular IMAP server with the normal info you'd use on another client?
Please mod all posts by Anonymous Coward down?
Will do, AC!
Also confirming that it either does or does not work. I didn't bother to try it.
Than you for your valuable input...
Mod this up. AC wins the pun round this time.
Oh, look! It's already happening.
But I'm sure Microsoft did not profit in any way financially from that ad.
Your phrase "not profit financially" is shifting the goalposts. The thread was about whether the telemetry data is being monetized.
Your first link was about pointing users, based on their usage, to apps that might might be relevant but they hadn't considered or noticed.
You're turning this into a semantics argument now. The original comment was that Microsoft was collecting info to make money -- we know that what the AC meant that they used the data in an activity (a "step 2") that made money, not that the act of spying itself gained them greenbacks.
But here you come. "Nuh-uhh! You have to do something with the info to make money.
And me: "Yeah, they are doing something with the info. Straight from the horses mouth, they use the data to tailor messages to users that appear on their Lock screens, in their Start menus, and in the lower-right corner of their monitors. These messages include suggestions for software products. Software products that are sometimes not free, and that Microsoft makes money off of, either indirectly through advertising revenue from the developers, or through direct compensation for making the product available via their own Windows App storefront.
I see a MS Office ad-blip almost every day at work. And no, I doesn't have to be a full-blown page extolling the virtues of Office to count as an advertisement. It appeared on-screen unannounced, it broke my attention from what I was doing (that corner is where system messages appear after all), and it wants me to seek info on a paid product -- It's an ad.
When I change the default browser on a Windows 10 machine at work to Firefox, it doesn't just change over -- it makes me go through what really is a page extolling the virtues of MS Edge, and then after declining that it changes over. That's also an advertisement. My usage of Edge over Firefox also benefits Microsoft in that they are able to collect more info based on my usage of their product, info that's used in marketing, or to help sell me into using other Microsoft services (like their web properties).
All of these activities benefit Microsoft financially in that they allow them to collect information on customers (current and potential) with a minimum of effort on their part. So this "you're shift goalposts" argument now is just horse shit. The information makes them money is the end result. Period.
I will concede that Microsoft only support 8.1 (which is a service pack for 8.0), however mainstream support for 8.1 is January 9, 2018 (as per the Microsoft web site). I did not explain it properly however I did provide the URL for the Microsoft support information site. Even if you still had MS Win 8 you can still get a free upgrade to 8.1 see here so even though I was technically wrong in stating Win 8 was mainstream supported till January 9, 2018 there is no associated cost with upgrading to Win 8.1 and getting free "mainstream support" at least until January 9, 2018.
There are two types of support Microsoft provides for their operating systems, they are "mainstream support" which is free while "extended support" requires you to pay for it and somehow I doubt most home PC users would pay for this service.
No, that's still wrong.
"Desktop Operating Systems" falls into this category, and it doesn't matter if it's Home, Pro, or Enterprise.
Remember that Windows XP Home users continued to get security fixes until just a couple years ago.
Do you think that mystery step (2) in Windows is using it for targeted advertising? or something else? I find it hard to make the leap from telemetry like "anonymized data shows Solitaire is the third-most popular program" (made up datapoint) to "targeting ads to this customer is worth $XYZ", but maybe there's something there that I'm just not seeing.
Maybe you need a Spotlight to see it better.
Oh, look! It's already happening.
But I'm sure Microsoft did not profit in any way financially from that ad. After all -- Rise of the Tomb Raider is not a Microsoft game, and I'm sure they're advertising it for Square Enix for free, right? And if you do buy Rise of the Tomb Raider, through the Windows Store as the ad suggests, Microsoft is going to forego their 30% cut. Right?
I myself work at Microsoft -- not in the Windows division; our division's product Visual Studio does collect opt-in telemetry, and our missing step (2) is nothing more sinister than "improve the product so that future customers are more likely to want to use it".
If you're in a different division I don't hold it against you. I'd chalk this up to "one hand not knowing what the other's doing" -- hardly a new thing at Microsoft.
I hate to bust your bubble here but Microsoft only has mainstream support for Windows 8 (8.1 is a service pack) as well as Windows 10. Take a look here and Win 8 is only mainstream supported till January 9, 2018 which is not that far away. Sure you can get extended support for Vista, Win 7 and even Win 8 but you will be paying for that.
Actually, you're the one who has it wrong. Microsoft preempted the original Windows 8 release with the 8.1 release. They no longer support 8.0 and the 8.1, Update 1 release is the one being supported through 2023.
Think of if like Windows 98 vs 98SE.