Some of do. We continually look for compromised hosts on our network and issue "friendly little letters". If that doesn't work we pull their plug, with a little "less friendly letter" until they get their act together.
The same thing happens to users who are sending spam through our network, although that has been stopped to some degree by limiting number of emails per hour and number of recipients per email for residential accounts.
To be honest its a hard thing for ISP's to impose too many of these things you are asking for without incurring too much cost (that will get passed along) or inhibiting users to much, which will result in greater support calls (meaning more cost once again to pass along).
The real answer for now is for users to better educate and protect themselves.
AO runs perfect under Cedega. I had no issues what so ever getting it installed and running.
Now on the other hand... playing it.. that had a big issue... boring. The mission system was cool and all... but I got bored quick and reinstalled EQ.../sigh
Well noone was saying how long it stays up after boot. I leave mine on all the time, but not everyone does... and when a Windows cold boot time starts to look better then a Linux cold boot time... well time to do some rethinking...
you are assuming they are watching the movie on their computer...
exporting the movie in any format to a TV has also gotten cheap.
blank DVD expensive? Last ones I bought were 100 for 40 bucks...
No hassle at all to run Photoshop under Crossover. Installs easily and runs great. And a Crossover license would have been cheaper then 4 Win2k licenses.
I don't agree with their method. That's why i called it shady. I'm just saying... I can't fully argue the method...Ya can't blame for making it a little harder to uninstall though.. I mean who wants that crap?
If Gator were easy to uninstall, users might not need to resort to third-party removal programs. But Gator makes its software hard to remove. Browse to Add/Remove Programs on a computer with Gator installed, and there's often no entry for Gator. Instead, users are required to identify, find, and remove all programs that bundle Gator, and only then is Gator's software designed to uninstall. This unusual removal procedure -- unique among all programs I've ever encountered -- makes Gator difficult for users to remove.
Actually I can't fully argue this. When you installed say, Kazaa, you agreed that in exchange for running Kazaa for free that you also agree to run for instance Gator. So removing Gator should entail removing Kazaa or whatever program bundled it. I can't argue that point. Shady? Well maybe. But I can't argue it.
With that aside, who here really believes it's fully uninstalls when you uninstall Kazaa from your WinBox?
I have a similiar issue with my older Thinkpad (forget which model, old 233 cpu). Sometimes it just wont come back after hibernation or even a shutdown at times. Since I don't use it often I just plug it in and wait. Typically next day it boots fine. Never really researched the issue much to figure the cause. Prolly not worth the trouble to me anymore.
But maybe other people on here might have an idea.
I'm not going to argue that in a "Perfect Code World" you are 100% right...
But it has to be case by case.
What if SetPixel() has a bug in it that could be exploited? Am I to leave SetPixel() and implement SetPixel2() until third party developers can get their act together and catch up? Or do I fix SetPixel() to remove the offending bug even if it means breaking certain third party apps? Where does one draw that line?
If the bug in SetPixel() can not be utilized in any malicious way I would agree with you. It's better to implement SetPixel2() and allow third party developers time to move their own codebase over to use SetPixel2(). Then one has to ask how long? What is a reasonable amount of time? Bugs are found. You can not escape that. I sure as heck am not going to litter my code with a million different duplicate functions just to keep a few deprecated third party apps running.
Perhaps in the cases where the fix must be done with haste, the third party developers should keep an eye out for notices from the library developer and be aware they need to move to a new version that could be supplied to them before it is released?
Trust me I know what you mean. I've been fighting with this situation the last few days myself (with a newer version of a lib that bugfixed an exploit, but the new version is currently incompatible with an important piece of software I use).
And honestly how many developers want to leave a known bug in their code whether useful to third party developers or not?
Oh, not trying to fight with ya on it. I agree as many bugs as possible shoudl be fixed prior to release, but to leave a bug in place for a third party app just doesn't make sense.
Then again it really depends on the severity of the bug.
QUOTE= "New functionality is just that-- new. Bug fixes? Well you shouldn't have released it yet. People may now use the bugs to serve another purpose and you can't go "fixing" them, as you are now breaking your software."
That has to be dumbest thing I have read all morning.
Well Mandrake's manager will do this. Not transparently though...
open RPM file... it ask you if you want to install it. It then checks dependencies. If there are any unfulfilled it will let you know and ask if you if want them installed. If you say yes it will go and get them (from the web if you configured the sources or from your cd's if needed)
Thanks for the troll... Linux is just fine running on the desktop... depending on what you do... if you just play games on your PC then great... run Windows.
I've said it once and I say it again... I don't hate Windows. I may like some of my MS's business ethics, but I don't hate their OS.
I do however choose to run Linux as my OS because quite frankly its gets the job "I" want done. If Windows got the job I wanted done, then I might be inclined to use it.
Announcements like these (admittedly as a Transgaming member I got this yesterday in my email) are good news to me. It means I can continue on without thinking about installing a dual boot system and still be able to play games I might like to play now and then. The same way as a paying Crossover customer I get to run a few of the Win32 apps i like to use. I don't want to have to boot between multiple OS's to get my work done. In my Linux+Cedega+Crossover environment I don't have to.
But if all you do is play cutting edge gamers... yes by all means, use Windows.
Bah didn't mean to go on a slightly offtopic rant...
Actually I love RhythmBox. It runs very smooth and does what I want it to (I don't use the iPod feature). iTunes to me is a bit much on system resources for me. That said I will probaly fire it up under Crossover now just to see how it runs.
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To change up what you said slightly...
Most people in America don't care what happens over the Atlantic... sounds bad, but it's just how it is right now.
Some of do. We continually look for compromised hosts on our network and issue "friendly little letters". If that doesn't work we pull their plug, with a little "less friendly letter" until they get their act together.
The same thing happens to users who are sending spam through our network, although that has been stopped to some degree by limiting number of emails per hour and number of recipients per email for residential accounts.
To be honest its a hard thing for ISP's to impose too many of these things you are asking for without incurring too much cost (that will get passed along) or inhibiting users to much, which will result in greater support calls (meaning more cost once again to pass along).
The real answer for now is for users to better educate and protect themselves.
You forgot the the 10Ghz Overlords... you insensitive clod!
In Soviet Russia only Mac users use MS Office?
Just to clarify, the paid Cedega version needs no patch or fix. It will run it out of the box...
AO runs perfect under Cedega. I had no issues what so ever getting it installed and running.
/sigh
Now on the other hand... playing it.. that had a big issue... boring. The mission system was cool and all... but I got bored quick and reinstalled EQ...
Well noone was saying how long it stays up after boot. I leave mine on all the time, but not everyone does... and when a Windows cold boot time starts to look better then a Linux cold boot time... well time to do some rethinking...
"The time needed to boot desktop Linux systems is becoming an issue."
You mean I'm not supposed to have time to make coffee?
bad joke, but yeah the boot time is getting pretty bad these days on out of the box distros.
you are assuming they are watching the movie on their computer... exporting the movie in any format to a TV has also gotten cheap. blank DVD expensive? Last ones I bought were 100 for 40 bucks...
No hassle at all to run Photoshop under Crossover. Installs easily and runs great. And a Crossover license would have been cheaper then 4 Win2k licenses.
"when you have an amount of thermal energy not available to do work, or a measure of disorder in a system"
;P
you just defined small child perfect.
(speaking as a parent of a now 5 year old)
I don't agree with their method. That's why i called it shady. I'm just saying... I can't fully argue the method...Ya can't blame for making it a little harder to uninstall though.. I mean who wants that crap?
I still feel dirty.
from the article:
If Gator were easy to uninstall, users might not need to resort to third-party removal programs. But Gator makes its software hard to remove. Browse to Add/Remove Programs on a computer with Gator installed, and there's often no entry for Gator. Instead, users are required to identify, find, and remove all programs that bundle Gator, and only then is Gator's software designed to uninstall. This unusual removal procedure -- unique among all programs I've ever encountered -- makes Gator difficult for users to remove.
Actually I can't fully argue this. When you installed say, Kazaa, you agreed that in exchange for running Kazaa for free that you also agree to run for instance Gator. So removing Gator should entail removing Kazaa or whatever program bundled it. I can't argue that point. Shady? Well maybe. But I can't argue it.
With that aside, who here really believes it's fully uninstalls when you uninstall Kazaa from your WinBox?
I have a similiar issue with my older Thinkpad (forget which model, old 233 cpu). Sometimes it just wont come back after hibernation or even a shutdown at times. Since I don't use it often I just plug it in and wait. Typically next day it boots fine. Never really researched the issue much to figure the cause. Prolly not worth the trouble to me anymore.
But maybe other people on here might have an idea.
I'm not going to argue that in a "Perfect Code World" you are 100% right...
But it has to be case by case.
What if SetPixel() has a bug in it that could be exploited? Am I to leave SetPixel() and implement SetPixel2() until third party developers can get their act together and catch up? Or do I fix SetPixel() to remove the offending bug even if it means breaking certain third party apps? Where does one draw that line?
If the bug in SetPixel() can not be utilized in any malicious way I would agree with you. It's better to implement SetPixel2() and allow third party developers time to move their own codebase over to use SetPixel2(). Then one has to ask how long? What is a reasonable amount of time? Bugs are found. You can not escape that. I sure as heck am not going to litter my code with a million different duplicate functions just to keep a few deprecated third party apps running.
Perhaps in the cases where the fix must be done with haste, the third party developers should keep an eye out for notices from the library developer and be aware they need to move to a new version that could be supplied to them before it is released?
Trust me I know what you mean. I've been fighting with this situation the last few days myself (with a newer version of a lib that bugfixed an exploit, but the new version is currently incompatible with an important piece of software I use).
And honestly how many developers want to leave a known bug in their code whether useful to third party developers or not?
Oh, not trying to fight with ya on it. I agree as many bugs as possible shoudl be fixed prior to release, but to leave a bug in place for a third party app just doesn't make sense.
Then again it really depends on the severity of the bug.
risk vs. reward
so if application I write took advantage of the say GDI bug in Windows, but my app was dependent on that bug being present, MS shouldn't fix the bug??
You see there's a flaw in your logic.
Not fixing a bug to allow some bad code that uses said bug to run is just plain ignorant.
QUOTE= "New functionality is just that-- new. Bug fixes? Well you shouldn't have released it yet. People may now use the bugs to serve another purpose and you can't go "fixing" them, as you are now breaking your software."
That has to be dumbest thing I have read all morning.
Well Mandrake's manager will do this. Not transparently though...
open RPM file... it ask you if you want to install it. It then checks dependencies. If there are any unfulfilled it will let you know and ask if you if want them installed. If you say yes it will go and get them (from the web if you configured the sources or from your cd's if needed)
then use Windows... noone twisting your arm.
some of prefer to... LEARN.
pm.h did not have SET_SAVE_STATE defined. (kernel src)
Easiest fix was simply to add that to the kernel src and add nvidia to the modprobe.preload file.
AND Nvidia fixed this in their very next release (6629).
I don't see this as a kernel issue, I see this as Nvidia's issue.
Thanks for the troll... Linux is just fine running on the desktop... depending on what you do... if you just play games on your PC then great... run Windows.
I've said it once and I say it again... I don't hate Windows. I may like some of my MS's business ethics, but I don't hate their OS.
I do however choose to run Linux as my OS because quite frankly its gets the job "I" want done. If Windows got the job I wanted done, then I might be inclined to use it.
Announcements like these (admittedly as a Transgaming member I got this yesterday in my email) are good news to me. It means I can continue on without thinking about installing a dual boot system and still be able to play games I might like to play now and then. The same way as a paying Crossover customer I get to run a few of the Win32 apps i like to use. I don't want to have to boot between multiple OS's to get my work done. In my Linux+Cedega+Crossover environment I don't have to.
But if all you do is play cutting edge gamers... yes by all means, use Windows.
Bah didn't mean to go on a slightly offtopic rant...
boycott cedega and valve?
So I'm supposed to 1. Not be able to play games and 2. Miss out on playing HL2?
Hmmm #1 would mean basically you are telling me to boycott all games... since I wouldn't be able to run them any longer...
So until you give me a better option.. Valve and Transgaming can continue to have my money.
Actually I love RhythmBox. It runs very smooth and does what I want it to (I don't use the iPod feature). iTunes to me is a bit much on system resources for me. That said I will probaly fire it up under Crossover now just to see how it runs.
not a troll.. just one beta testers opinion from the beta 1 server.
.. not the lower beta player numbers) in a few months.
I'm not going to argue that they didn't improve things alot on the last month or so... but I still think it's being rushed out the door too soon.
I want to see EQ2 take off... alot. I'm just disappointed in their decision to rush it out the door in a battle for who can get to market first.
I can see the game being more playable (with the large numbers it will have