Slightly OT:
It's very common thing to happen. Because every idea tends to become ideology, and every movement tends to become organization. There is also a third thing that tends to become something else, but I forgot it. (I would really be thankful if someone could recognize how this proverb sounded in original, and what was the third thing.)
Does anyone recall licence for Jinni? It was supposed to be some protocol for smart connecting of devices. Noone heard of it? Because licence was not open source at all, no matter how they tried to call it. (Actualy, first and only time where I heard of it was in Linus' "Just for Fun")
When there was idea about opensourcing Java, Sun said they would not OS it. I understood that they consodider Java as non-OS; sudenly this COO says that Solaris will be OS like Java. Something changed last days in Java licencing?
Anyway, they do not earn a peny from Java and still do not want to OS it, just because they do not want to lose control. I think that there are no chances Solaris to become something like OpenOffice.org, because such licence will not give enough control to Sun. And Solaris is their main product, so they probably believe that the control is essential.
I would like time to prove me wrong, but I think it will not happen.
My problem was how to quickly dry wet socks. Standard problem when only clean socks are just washed. Experimenting showed that drying with iron does not help too much. The best solution is to take hairdryer, put the sock on it (in order to make all of hot air to go through the sock), and wait for significant period of time. Problem is that sock may become very hot, also I always wondered wether the dryer could break. Probably it is not its expected working regime. But no matter of these two limitations, this method works and takes about 10 minutes.
Inertia... which is (unfortunately) known to be the most powerful driving force of the human kind. (Copyright for this sentence belongs to a friend of mine, but I cannot agree more.)
HTML is the worst example for a standard. In theory it is the standard, in practice, it is just one new field where big companies try to conquer the world.
I would really like to see an environment, no matter on what platform, where I could "point and click" and make an useful app that way.
It does not work that way. I programmed a lot in Tcl/Tk (no visual tools) and VB (where you can drew screens). As a result, I spend as much time in VB as I do in Tcl. Why? Because drawing widgets on screen is only 2% of your job. Double click on button in VB IDE (to get callback function editor), and there is real "fun". There is no help from drawing tools in that phase.
There is a lot of help, of course, from debuggers, code completion and similar stuff that comes with an IDE, but there is no real help from "visual" component. Anyway, if you want to dinamically change widgets, then even visual component does not help you in that mentioned 2%.
Even worse, most common used user apps in Windows are not written in VB, but in C++. Rapid tools like Java, C# (my typoo was C$:) - actually langs + IDEs - are big help for proprietary database business apps, but no real help for widely accepted desktop apps.
...but the name should be changed. This is obvious name infringment. New project, in same field as old one, steals old name adding "2" behind it. Obviously intentionally misleading.
In first moment, I thought that this was a plan to raise money for old project.
If US Army relies on common knoledge of their stuff for administration of their servers, it may explain why they needed 77 days to defeat Milosevic.
Problem with poorly managed Win servers is that everyone believe that administration of servers is "one click here, one click there". Try to administer any server that way (including Linux), and your machine will become a security hole.
Server administration (Win, Lin or whatever) should be done by trained people.
I can't say for sure, but it seams to be that with all this equipment on roof, vehicle's center of mass is now much higher than it used to be, making the vehicle much more instable.
Most industry analyists knew that Microsoft was concerned about Linux.
But I for one never quite realized that Microsoft was in a panic.
Well, it still does not have to mean they are in panic. Probably they are, but let us consider the situation even if they are not:
Linux (better said Open Source) is only obvious threat for them at this moment. With their huge pile of cash, they can afford to spend 100 millions on one target - Linux, in this case. Destroying commpetitors is allways worth of money. And having in mind their attitude toward competitors - it is allways worth of a lot of money.
One more interesting thing in whole this story - (if I understoof correctly) SCO is suing their own costumers over some SCO Unix librarires. IIRC, that was the story before the legal process related Linux kernel was announced. Also, most parts of their case against IBM are abandoned by SCO, reducing it basically to contract infrigment.
So the situation is like this: we are speaking in public about millions of lines of code. But we are sueing IBM about some other things. We are speaking about sueing top 500 companies about Linux, but actually we are sueing only those who used to be our customers over some libraries issues. Problem with this is that in public this seems like they are sueing Linus over stealing code and sueing everyone because of use of Linux.
If this is not misuse of legal system, if this is not ilegal, then I really don't know what the justice is.
This news was not quite new to me - I can't provide the link, but there was nice explanation on KDE traffic (i.e. digest of several KDE mailing lists).
First, they were not sure about the name at all. They needed some "department" that will improve communication between users and developers. Some sort of people who know both sides, but who are not programmers. And they did not know how to call it. As I read now, they choose Q.T.
For an OSS project, KDE is really well documented, you may really easily contact their programmers, support community seems to be nice and usefull; this should be "final touch".
This team reminds me to my last position in my old company - I was kinda liaison officer between two teams. My team needed some stuff from them, and we needed someone to force them to make it work. It is much easier to have someone who is familiar with both products, than to depend on existing QA dept (maybe it was problem that we had poor QA team).
Anyway, this new team seems like great idea. No matter that I like programming, it would be really hard to me to become so familiar with Qt/KDE enough to be usefull KDE programmer. But even at this stage, I believe that I already could be KDE QT member. So, there must be other people like me. Thus, KDE will be even better.
I never saw a Linux fork, except when it was necessary to make a fork - like RT Linux.
Good projects never fork without reason, and if they do, fork is neglected by users.
Furthermore, noone stops Sun to maintain the definition of Java standard. MS was not sued to stop delivering java VM, but to stop calling it "Java" (IMHO). I can copy all code from Red Hat, change it whatever I like, but I cannot call it "Red Hat" anymore, which is normal. It is so simple under GPL!
Why not all of us (ok, I do not code in any Java-like project) join in one big project? Why to spread our efforts and allways to lag behind the "official" version?
Sometimes java's features are like they are because it was the easiest way for Sun to make it that way. If you start differently, sometimes it is extremely hard to maintain 100% compatibility no matter how unimportant piece of code it is. I believe that is the one of the reasons why all mentioned projects lag behind official Java release.
Well, they already give you Java for free. If they make it open source, they might cut development costs, and also get much better attitude from community. I don't see any reason why not to go OS. They still could control it - no one will prevent them to add any new feature.
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No, but HP one.
Netcraft says for www.vatican.va:
Compaq Tru64
Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6g PHP/4.2.2
12-Dec-2003
212.77.1.247
Holy See - Vatican City State
In Serbia, under embargo, extreme software piracy and everything else, Linux was and (3.5 years after embargo was lift) still is the OS of choice in many apliances. First of all - ISPs.
I received 3 copies so far. First one was: "Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available.
readme.scr"
I was confused, because I never heard that incomplete mail transfer leaves messages like this, so I tried to open it. When I saw it was a binary file, then I recalled that.scr is Windows screen saver extension, and that this is obviously virus.
Problem is that I eagerly open every file I get - I run Linux, so I don't wory about such problems, and I always want to see what's inside. For instance, next copy had a zipped.bat file, and I wished to see the code (it is binary, actually, not a real.bat). What will I do if I have to read my email once on Windows?
Linux made me have dangerous habits!
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IIRC, in his book, Linus mentioned that he will never live there where he could not drive a convertable. Is it possible to drive a convertable there?
Slightly OT: It's very common thing to happen. Because every idea tends to become ideology, and every movement tends to become organization. There is also a third thing that tends to become something else, but I forgot it. (I would really be thankful if someone could recognize how this proverb sounded in original, and what was the third thing.)
Does anyone recall licence for Jinni? It was supposed to be some protocol for smart connecting of devices. Noone heard of it? Because licence was not open source at all, no matter how they tried to call it. (Actualy, first and only time where I heard of it was in Linus' "Just for Fun")
When there was idea about opensourcing Java, Sun said they would not OS it. I understood that they consodider Java as non-OS; sudenly this COO says that Solaris will be OS like Java. Something changed last days in Java licencing?
Anyway, they do not earn a peny from Java and still do not want to OS it, just because they do not want to lose control. I think that there are no chances Solaris to become something like OpenOffice.org, because such licence will not give enough control to Sun. And Solaris is their main product, so they probably believe that the control is essential.
I would like time to prove me wrong, but I think it will not happen.
My problem was how to quickly dry wet socks. Standard problem when only clean socks are just washed. Experimenting showed that drying with iron does not help too much. The best solution is to take hairdryer, put the sock on it (in order to make all of hot air to go through the sock), and wait for significant period of time. Problem is that sock may become very hot, also I always wondered wether the dryer could break. Probably it is not its expected working regime. But no matter of these two limitations, this method works and takes about 10 minutes.
Wow! How many chickens you may buy for 500M USD? Where will EU put all those chickens?
Would that require MS to buy all chicken farms in USA/EU, making thus a new monopolly?
Inertia... which is (unfortunately) known to be the most powerful driving force of the human kind. (Copyright for this sentence belongs to a friend of mine, but I cannot agree more.)
HTML is the worst example for a standard. In theory it is the standard, in practice, it is just one new field where big companies try to conquer the world.
I would really like to see an environment, no matter on what platform, where I could "point and click" and make an useful app that way.
:) - actually langs + IDEs - are big help for proprietary database business apps, but no real help for widely accepted desktop apps.
It does not work that way. I programmed a lot in Tcl/Tk (no visual tools) and VB (where you can drew screens). As a result, I spend as much time in VB as I do in Tcl. Why? Because drawing widgets on screen is only 2% of your job. Double click on button in VB IDE (to get callback function editor), and there is real "fun". There is no help from drawing tools in that phase.
There is a lot of help, of course, from debuggers, code completion and similar stuff that comes with an IDE, but there is no real help from "visual" component. Anyway, if you want to dinamically change widgets, then even visual component does not help you in that mentioned 2%.
Even worse, most common used user apps in Windows are not written in VB, but in C++. Rapid tools like Java, C# (my typoo was C$
...but the name should be changed. This is obvious name infringment. New project, in same field as old one, steals old name adding "2" behind it. Obviously intentionally misleading.
In first moment, I thought that this was a plan to raise money for old project.
If US Army relies on common knoledge of their stuff for administration of their servers, it may explain why they needed 77 days to defeat Milosevic.
Problem with poorly managed Win servers is that everyone believe that administration of servers is "one click here, one click there". Try to administer any server that way (including Linux), and your machine will become a security hole.
Server administration (Win, Lin or whatever) should be done by trained people.
AFAIK, OS X is based on Mach, not on *BSD.
I can't say for sure, but it seams to be that with all this equipment on roof, vehicle's center of mass is now much higher than it used to be, making the vehicle much more instable.
Well, it still does not have to mean they are in panic. Probably they are, but let us consider the situation even if they are not:
Linux (better said Open Source) is only obvious threat for them at this moment. With their huge pile of cash, they can afford to spend 100 millions on one target - Linux, in this case. Destroying commpetitors is allways worth of money. And having in mind their attitude toward competitors - it is allways worth of a lot of money.
One more interesting thing in whole this story - (if I understoof correctly) SCO is suing their own costumers over some SCO Unix librarires. IIRC, that was the story before the legal process related Linux kernel was announced. Also, most parts of their case against IBM are abandoned by SCO, reducing it basically to contract infrigment.
So the situation is like this: we are speaking in public about millions of lines of code. But we are sueing IBM about some other things. We are speaking about sueing top 500 companies about Linux, but actually we are sueing only those who used to be our customers over some libraries issues. Problem with this is that in public this seems like they are sueing Linus over stealing code and sueing everyone because of use of Linux.
If this is not misuse of legal system, if this is not ilegal, then I really don't know what the justice is.
This news was not quite new to me - I can't provide the link, but there was nice explanation on KDE traffic (i.e. digest of several KDE mailing lists).
First, they were not sure about the name at all. They needed some "department" that will improve communication between users and developers. Some sort of people who know both sides, but who are not programmers. And they did not know how to call it. As I read now, they choose Q.T.
For an OSS project, KDE is really well documented, you may really easily contact their programmers, support community seems to be nice and usefull; this should be "final touch".
This team reminds me to my last position in my old company - I was kinda liaison officer between two teams. My team needed some stuff from them, and we needed someone to force them to make it work. It is much easier to have someone who is familiar with both products, than to depend on existing QA dept (maybe it was problem that we had poor QA team).
Anyway, this new team seems like great idea. No matter that I like programming, it would be really hard to me to become so familiar with Qt/KDE enough to be usefull KDE programmer. But even at this stage, I believe that I already could be KDE QT member. So, there must be other people like me.
Thus, KDE will be even better.
I never saw a Linux fork, except when it was necessary to make a fork - like RT Linux.
Good projects never fork without reason, and if they do, fork is neglected by users.
Furthermore, noone stops Sun to maintain the definition of Java standard. MS was not sued to stop delivering java VM, but to stop calling it "Java" (IMHO). I can copy all code from Red Hat, change it whatever I like, but I cannot call it "Red Hat" anymore, which is normal. It is so simple under GPL!
Why not all of us (ok, I do not code in any Java-like project) join in one big project? Why to spread our efforts and allways to lag behind the "official" version?
Sometimes java's features are like they are because it was the easiest way for Sun to make it that way. If you start differently, sometimes it is extremely hard to maintain 100% compatibility no matter how unimportant piece of code it is. I believe that is the one of the reasons why all mentioned projects lag behind official Java release.
Well, they already give you Java for free. If they make it open source, they might cut development costs, and also get much better attitude from community. I don't see any reason why not to go OS. They still could control it - no one will prevent them to add any new feature.
No, but HP one. Netcraft says for www.vatican.va: Compaq Tru64 Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.9 OpenSSL/0.9.6g PHP/4.2.2 12-Dec-2003 212.77.1.247 Holy See - Vatican City State
Why is the name "Dragan"? It is a common Serbian name (and in Serbian it does not have any relations with dragons or dragonflies).
In Serbia, under embargo, extreme software piracy and everything else, Linux was and (3.5 years after embargo was lift) still is the OS of choice in many apliances. First of all - ISPs.
I received 3 copies so far. First one was: "Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available. readme.scr" I was confused, because I never heard that incomplete mail transfer leaves messages like this, so I tried to open it. When I saw it was a binary file, then I recalled that .scr is Windows screen saver extension, and that this is obviously virus.
Problem is that I eagerly open every file I get - I run Linux, so I don't wory about such problems, and I always want to see what's inside. For instance, next copy had a zipped .bat file, and I wished to see the code (it is binary, actually, not a real .bat). What will I do if I have to read my email once on Windows?
Linux made me have dangerous habits!