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Linus Torvalds Moving to the Silicon Forest
Evilive writes "According to KATU News, Linus Torvalds and family will be moving to Portland, Oregon so he can oversee the Open Source Development Labs. Torvalds says he and his family will make the move after his children finish school next week. Sayeth Linus: 'The plan was to try to acclimatize and have time to grow webbed feet (although I'm told there are implants available) by moving during the summer.'"
We're always glad to have another accomplished geek join us here. What great news!
... but I'm a corporate captive to M$ where I work. If I had the space for another puter at home, I'd get a Linux box. And with Torvalds moving there, Portland is going to get even cooler.
Does that mean there will be significatly fewer articles about Transmeta?
The weather is just toooooo dreary... It's not the rain, it's the dark, cloudy, dreary, scattered showers that get to you... At least the price of housing is much cheaper. My prediction 5 years - MAX!
At 10:27 PM Linux Torvalds took a crap! The crap measured 7.5" inches with a sickening green color. The color was attributed to association with hairy acne-infested hippies.
Doctors recommended Linux Torvalds take a shower to cure his condition.
Now THAT is NEWS!
Why do they have to make a huge spectacle that a man is moving from one place to another. This is not very important news and will not effect things at all.
Stuff that matters. *rolls eyes*
Man...it's just like Jello says. There's always room for another computer.
to grow webbed feet (although I'm told there are implants available
Those aren't the only implants you'll find on the west coast.
> Torvalds says he and his family will make the move after his children finish school next week.
;)
it's finnish, not finish
have time to grow webbed feet
What's next? beak? flippers?
Is Linus evolving in to Tux?
I can't be the only one (at least not the only non-American) who's hearing this term for the first time. Portland?
Will MS take linux more seriously now that he is 250 miles away?
First off, yes the weather is dreary for at least two thirds of the year. Some of us prefer that. Not everyone wants San Diego style weather and Portland is probably more familiar to someone from Finland than most of California, too (although the Bay Area is a bit like Portland as far as weather most of the year).
Second, the cost of housing is cheaper than in the bay area, but still in the top ten or fifteen most expensive in the country.
I wouldn't leave here for anything. I lived in the Bay Area. Didn't like it one bit.
In Finland It's not the snow, it's the dark, cloudy, dreary, FREEZING COLD that gets to you! Linus didn't always live in the Valley, you know!
Jello Biafra:
I want to tell you a story about the last time I was in Portland.
The night before we played at the Long Goodbye.
I was walking on the street about 10:30 at night.
A lot of people go to bed around here at 10:30 at night.
And well, I was walking along when suddenly these jocks in this
bright blue pickup drove up. It had KC lights, tractor tires,
everything but the CB. It was a life-size Hot Wheels car for some dumb rich kid,
right. Well, they drove up to me
and they yelled what dumb rich kids usually yell, "Hey, faggot,"
and showered me with some water.
So, I stood there thinking, what a bunch of fuckheads and picked up a rock.
Now, I waited, walked down about a block to
where the Kentucky Fried Chicken is, on Burnside,
and sure enough they drove around again.
They said, "Hey, faggot, where's the nearest McDonald's?" I said,
"I don't know" and they squirted me again.
So I threw the rock and put a nice-size dent in their giant Hot Wheels car.
They screached to a halt in the parking lot of some department store,
who's name I don't remember, it's up the street from Fred Meyer,
and they got out their clubs and they ran after me, yelling,
"We're gonna kill you, you god damn faggot, we're gonna kill you,
you motherfucker."
So I got in a phonebooth by the Kentucky Fried Chicken on Burnside,
held my legs straight out like this so they couldn't open the door
to the phonebooth. So they began charging the phonebooth,
beating on it with their club, yelling,
"We're gonna kill you, you motherfucker, we're gonna kill you,
you god damn faggot." I just looked at them.
So, there was a crowd gathering by this time
and these kids were standing nearby and they said,
"Oh, look at him, he's insane." I thought, ah-hah, here's my way out.
I yelled at them, "Take me to a mental hospital right away.
I wanna be be put away.
Please put me away, c'mon, call the cops and put me away.
Please put me away now."
They said, "Alright, faggot, we're calling the police." So they called the police.
The cop comes out and I go, ah, my savior, I'm away from these jocks.
He opens up the door, "Get out of there, you,"
throws me up against the car, frisks me, shoves me in the back.
Then he goes over to the jocks, "Now what happened here?
It looks like we're going have to take him to jail
but we got to have the full story first"
So the jocks, who had an ace in the hole, ace in the hole
Take down on the bass, a little bit down on the bass. Yeah,
ace in the hole, and they go, "Well, goddammit,
the motherfucker put a dent in my truck, a $5000 truck, right,
so I got my club, I went out and I wanted to kill him.
I want to kill him. Let me kill him, goddammit.
Let me kill him."
So the cop made them go home, and he drove me home,
and he confiscated their club and my rock as further evidence.
And I thought, so this is Oregon, huh? Tolerent Oregon?
Ray, are you done with your guitar yet? He isn't done yet.
So what else do you want to hear, I'm out of stories.
That's a true story, too. Just ask Bruce Loose.
Torvalds says he and his family will make the move ... next week
I'm going camping then so no, he may NOT borrow my truck.
The OSDL office is about 10 mins from where I live.
Thanks to global warming, most Portland citizens have evolved human feet now, as opposed to the fins and flippers usually associated with us...
"Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space..."
Why does a site as huge as Slashdot feel the need to write about people's personal actions? It doesnt matter if its Linus or Billy. Some may argue about the relevance of this news story, but jeez... I am sure there are more interesting things happening out there, and if there arent, must we stoop so low? =/ This news story made me feel like I was reading a cheap celebrity tabloid. come on now! We geeks are greater than that! -_-;
If we follow LT's average location over the last 10 years it is clearly tending towards ... Redmond, WA. The implications
of this do not bear thinking on.
Maybe once he's arrived, he can pop round to Mentor Graphics and have a chat with them about making their tools run on something more recent than Redhat 7.1.
Evil people are out to get you.
Inventor of Linux is Portland-bound
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BEAVERTON, ORE. - Linus Torvalds, the Finnish-born inventor of the Linux computer operating system, is Portland-bound.
I thought he didn't invent it.. he CREATED it...
"Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far
As someone who has two fairly major Physics papers due in 4 hours and lives in Portland I can easily say this is the best news I've heard all day.
But why is this news? I hear you ask. Oh come off it, what's wrong with a little cult of personality now and then. Sometimes I think that's the only thing keeping Apple afloat.
Anyway let me give you a quick list of reasons why Portland is great:
1. Free Geek, our own local geek run charity.
2. lot's of great microbrews and wifi enabled bars.
3. And of course the beautiful weather.
And with that, where ever you are, may your beer be micro and your operating system free. Cheers
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Compared to his homeland, he'll probably find the weather here pleasantly warm. Snow only every couple of years.
And you get used to the rain after a while - it's normally pretty light. We had a children's parade here yesterday, and even though it was raining, the whole neighborhood turned up. In hats.
A real Portlander doesn't use an umbrella or hat. We just embrace our inner sogginess.
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Yes, New Jersey. (flush)
What is with all these stupid 'Silicon' names?
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
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Nice travel-guide-related website: Lonely Planet
events calendar
Powell's history page [comment regarding my relationship with them through my excellent former employer deleted]
If that's not bookish enough, try Reed. "Reedy" is a fitting name for most of the students.
public gardens If you're at all interested in nice gardens to walk through, the International Rose Test Garden is a great place to walk around.
If you have more time, the Japanese Garden is pretty must the only garden outside Japan considered to be "real" (the Mt. Fuji-stand-in doesn't hurt, either)
At some point, if you drink alcohol, or even just eat, you might end up visiting one of these. They've converted a lot of old schools, etc. into pubs along with the usual locations.
You probably won't want to go out there if you don't have much time on your trip, but see if you can recognize this hotel from the picture. [It's this one, Slashdotters]
The Columbia River Highway runs east of Portland, and includes some nice scenery of Multnomah Falls and the Gorge area.
Out west is Cannon Beach and Haystack Rock.
Oh, tying almost everything in town is the MAX, the light rail service. Gues
Get off my launchpad!
What does this mean for Transmeta?
Portland is probably more familiar to someone from Finland than most of California, too
You say that like it's a good thing.
I've never figured out the immigration patterns of the Northmen. They get off the boat in NYC and can go anywhere in the US from there. Florida, SoCal, Arizona, or even just stay in southern NY. Where do they go? Minnesota.
Feels like home I guess, but to my mind that's the problem.
KFG
every time i go to portland something horrible happens. i lose a friend, i lose a motorbike, psychochics up my yarbles... the list is unending.
people used to tell me the indians wouldn't even live in that valley cause "it's cursed". i just drink a lot when i have to go there now.
i hope he fares better than i did.
g
Most of California is based on a semi-arid desert. So it's brown and dry most of the time. Even in San Francisco, where I live, you can see that in the hills around the bay. Now Portland, yes, you get more rain, but that's why it feels like a giant garden. The only minus I can say about Portland is that during the summer, humidity can be higher than in the Bay Area. But honestly, if I could trade places (and stay employed) with a person in Portland, I would do so instantly.
Actually,
Linus is moving to Pendleton, Oregon. He doesn't need webbed feet, just a cowboy hat.
Let'er Buck!
Hey... someoen tell him,... if he gets board, meet us at rocco's pizza around 9pm on sunday http://www.zoobomb.org
-Polyhead-
I am still recovering from the death of Ronald Reagan but hearing that Linus is moving really helps lift my spirits.
Hopefully we'll see a story on slashdot when he changes his car.
If a parse tree falls in Silicon Forest and no one is around, does it leave a log file?
Unknown host pong.
Who gives a crap where Linus lives. I mean really FFS.
Give the man a break.
Portland has a nice dreary, seedy, industrial quality that's been bred out of Seattle, although it's probably happening to Portland too. Portland is the only place I've been where I caught someone rummaging through my car on a dark street at night -- rather romantic, really. I've never lived in Portland, I'm a Washington native, but every time I go there I hear its bridges and smokestacks calling me. My wife, however, doesn't feel the same about it as I do.
You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
Maybe he'll join PDXLUG:a Portland Linux User Group ( http://www.pdxlug.org/ ) ;-)
Robby Russell
PLANET ARGON
Robby on Rails
Hey, now his coding will improve! He'll have Pizza Schmizza!
It isn't an operating system, it's just a kernel.
This sig blantantly stolen by a pack of robo-monkeys.
I spent 4 very happy years in PDX, and I would move back there from Dallas in a heartbeat _IF_ the the right job came up. At least housing prices cratered when the bottom fell out.
It's been a employment hellhole for "mortals" for the last several years I understand.
For anyone going to Portland, I have a suggested dinner/evening out: go to the Crystal Ballroom McMennamins downtown, order a Captain Nemo burger and a Terminator Stout. Get your lovely lady the Spinach Calzone.(Assuming Vegetarian, dish still highly recommended anyway)
Get hammered, and try the ballroom dancing, not necessarily in that order. I can't remember the nights they had it, call ahead. They have free lessons IIRC.
You are going to LOVE Portland.
... which used to be Tera, Inc. they are in Seattle as well, I am wondering if THAT connection is more important than the MS one. Not that Burton Smith (CTO of Tera, err., Cray, and overall VERY cool guy -- I used to work with him on a project) and Thomas Sterling ("farther of Beowulf", really! ;-) ) work on the next-gen supercomputer (see, e.g.,
here, I am wonderng what the implications are...
Paul B.
Well, /. is news for nerds and, like it or not, Linus is a celebrity in the nerd community. Sure this kind of news is really not very important, but a great many slashdot readers idolize Linus and, especially given the location he's moving to, that makes this information signifigant enough to be posted. If you don't like the stories on /. STOP READING THEM! Nobody likes people who bitch about every story. Another option is to set an example by submitting things you think are newsworthy.
I'm against picketing but I don't know how to show it.
when I visit my family in Vancouver, Washington.
He picked a nice city to live in.
One interesting factoid: Portland has an incredibly lively sex industry (strip clubs, adult stores etc).
Maybe there's something about Linus we didn't know about?
"Rocky Rococo, at your cervix!"
...is actually Seattle (and surrounding parts. But that would be funny if Linus moved up here. Maybe he could be Bill Gates neighbor. I see a whacky sitcom brewing...
This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
I live down in Eugene, but visit Portland quite often. OMSI is a great science center, with an IMAX theater and a large area for kids to play. There's a top-notch zoo and Children's museum.
It does have it's big city problems, however. Traffic can be pretty bad and I managed to get assaulted there once. Eugene has most of the big city amenities without the big city problems.
Who's with me?
You know, this is really just an example of my own ignorance/stupidity - but I guess I've just always figured that hardcore geeks like Linus wouldn't have kids since they demand so much attention.
"Daddy daddy! Come look at the bug I found!"
"Bug? What bug? My system is perf... ohhhh THAT kind of bug. Not right now, sweetie - daddy's compiling."
After my passport and birth certificate were stolen from my mailbox there, someone tried to use my passport as ID at a bank to cash a phony check. He fled, but left my passport there, so the cops came and had me go down to the bank to confirm that it wasn't really me who was trying to cash the bad check. The cop who took me down there said that he'd been a cop in various places, including Chicago, St. Louis, etc., and he swore that he'd never seen more white trash than in Portland.
Ironically... the perp used my identity to register a vehicle, so I received the title to a truck in the mail one day! Heh, I still have that. They also got a drivers license under my name, but was I allowed to see the picture of this person? HELL NO. Talk about protecting criminals and victimizing innocent people!
Anyway... I wish him luck, but pity him too.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
Owch! Two -1 Troll mods. Them Oregoners sure take thing personally. I guess there aren't any Dead Kennedys fans with mod points around tonight. Here's a link to the actual lyrics.
;)
I'm from West Virginia. I just don't know what I'd do if someone were to make jokes about my state. Probably break down and cry like these pussy northwestern boys.
We get 200+ days of zero clouds a year here at a minimum, every year. Portland gets 200+ days of the opposite.
Ha... spend most of your life in Phoenix, AZ. Dark, dreary, wet weather, sounds wonderful to me :).
We go months without rain and we've already had many days of 110+ temperatures this year.
I've worked in Portland alot and would love to live there.
Quit telling people how great it is here... we have enough people already and do not need more!
Oregon SUCKS, SUCKS I tell you. It rains ALL the time here. You'll forget what blue sky looks like. Housing prices are insane. Traffic is insane. We have rattlesnakes and bears, BEARS! The women are FAT and ugly unwashed hippes with long braided armpit hair. The rare cutie knows how rare she is and has an attitude to match.
No sir, nothing to see here... move along... move along please...
Move back because of weather!? You're talking about a guy from fucking Finland!
The cake is a pie
I'm working at OSDL and looking forward to having Linus here on-site. :-)
We got the confirmation today that yes, he's coming, and will have a cube here with the
rest of us. I expect he'll be working from home a lot but who knows.
Linus had visited last year not long after he joined the lab, and we asked if he'd be moving up here. At the time he said he'd had enough of cold weather for one lifetime, so this is a surprise! (Well, not a total surprise, Portland is a great city to live in, IMHO. Some of us figured he'd want to move up here once he had time to think about it.)
Linus is moving too close to the dark side...
from that distance, 'embrace and extend' can be dangerous.
Glad to see we are all still worshiping Linus.
The weather here in Portland is great: Never too hot or too cold.
Of course, the best part is that you don't have to put up with too many Californians . . .
Slashdot today announced a new topic: Stalking Linus
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A lot of you might not know this but Oregon Trail & MathBlaster dominated the pc gaming industry back in the day...
The metropolitan Phoenix, Arizona area claims the title of "Silicon Desert". Most of the chip fabs are in neighboring Mesa, Tempe, and Chandler. Intel and Motorola are the two biggest employers I can think of off the top of my head. I haven't been there in years, but I remember it was hot as hell there.
Check out the picture of Linus in the linked story.
Then check out the picture here: Augusta Chronicle
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welcome our webfooted overlords....
One of the things that we in the open source movement tout is that "distributiveness" of the developers involved with even major projects like Linux, Apache, etc. Yet, every time Linus moves (be it a job or a home) it is rabidly reported on sites like Slashdot, NewsForge, etc. Why? If the distributed nature of OSS development is one of its strong points then *why* do we care where Linus lives and when or where he moves to?
Linus is a great man who's done humanity a huge good by developing the Linux Kernel. But I'm starting to look at him like I look at Elvis: I think Elvis was a talented musician but I won't have much to do with his music since his "worshippers" have made him a near God. The cult like atmosphere surrounding him is a definate turn-off. The same cult like symptoms are developing around Linus and this spells trouble for OSS. We already have a reputation for being zealots where everything rises and sets around Linux. This kind of rabid fanship just solidifies that image in the publics mind and hurts our cause. Linux is *much* bigger than Linus now and, while he is a star, he is by far not the only one in the community. We need to remember that folks.
Anthony Papillion
Advanced Data Concepts, Inc.
"Quality Custom Software and IT Services"
If my words encourage someone to move a company up there, it'll be a good thing for the economy there - I only moved because I was laid off and couldn't get another router-jockey job there. (And yes, I'm pining to return, if anyone has a similar position to fill)
I never saw any bears, but did see deer, on top of the usual possums late at night in my apartment parking lot, an owl who lived in the tree just outside, no flying insects most of the year (too many spiders?), and so forth. And there was so much green stuff everywhere. I loved it. I even had funky orange mushrooms growing next to my parking spot, til the groundskeepers weed-whacked them. Don't forget, I'm from Texas, so anything growing is something cool.
Get off my launchpad!
Torvalds says he and his family will make the move after his children finish school next week
Shouldn't that be Finnish school?
Thanks, I'll be here all week. Please tip your servers.
Portland has got to be the mail-theft capitol of the United States. They have so much of it that the cops had to come up with a separate crime classification code for mail-theft because it was skewing the rest of the theft stats for the area.
Portland's also the U.S. headquarters for the Russian Mafia, and home to some of the largest commercial auto theft rings in the country. Those huge container ships sailing west down the Columbia, they don't go home empty. They're loaded full of "hot" cars headed for new owners in eastern Europe.
We're having a naked midnight bike ride. When given the choice the Association of Brewers holds its annual conference here because the members consider Portland the best beer city in the US. local wireless group has hundreds of free hotspots scattered about. Highest per capita rates of bookstores, movies screens and coffee houses in the US. Snow only every other year at the most. Easy to get out into the countryside when you need to be away from urban living.
There's more to it than this.
I've lived in Oregon all my life but for college, so here's my insider's view of the self-serve issue.
1) Oregonians are cheap.
2) Oregonians are tired of being rained on.
So, basically, people here knew that if there was self-serve gas, they'd have to use it because it was cheaper. But then they'd get wet. So it's easier to outlaw self-serve, so everyone has to share the same luxury.
Makes complete sense if you've lived here long enough.
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Linus Torvalds Moving to the Silicon Forest
hehe silicone forrest' - i'd like to get my face burried in those! wait... or does forest mean the bushy part?
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Really intolerant hicks here.
It all depends what you are intolerant about.
Portlanders are some of the most narrow-minded, bigoted, intolerant people I have ever delt with, and they have a smug self-rightousness about their bigotry.
When they hate, it is politically correct hate.
You are sooo funny! You used M$!!!
Linux is the roxor!!! M$ is the suxor!!!
Ever heard of a shower you smelly long haired hippie? That buzzing sound you hear is the swarm of flies that accompany you.
lol roflrofl
You are teh l337!!!
Sounds like Finland to me . . .
Someone you trust is one of us.
I'd still go back there to live, though maybe a little further outside of town.
Get off my launchpad!
Wow, now Linus will be within missile range of the MS Empire. Is he planning some sort of covert strike? Maybe hit Bill with a cream pie, or perhaps he is preparing some sort of panty raid?!
I'm sure that his every move will be posted in great detail on Slashdot!
--Stephen
Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
The weather is just toooooo dreary...
:)
He's a Finn, for heaven's sake. I think he'll manage somehow.
Anyway, I wish him a warm welcome to my home state. Some odd bits of advice on settling in:
* For tires and suspension work, go to Les Schwab.
* Try Black Tiger from Coffee People... in a milkshake.
* Cinema 21.
* The Rimsky-Korsakoffee House, on SE 12th just North of Belmont in Portland, for a quiet dessert with atmosphere. (And the Sylvia Beach Hotel in Newport for a holiday; same owner, different quirks.)
* Visit a McMennamin's hotel for lunch or dinner... walk around the place and check out the artwork. The beer's pretty good, too, but there's plenty that's better 'round here.
* Fareless Square.
* Don't swim in any river that Intel has named a chip for. Seriously. It's not their fault, but I mean it.
* Three Square Grill
* Local strawberries are in season right now.
Just holler if you need anything.
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd
Ahmen, brother.
One thing you'd miss in those other places would be the variance of the seasons. The same place can look quite different here in winter as compared to summer, or even spring and fall. In those southern states, there's two seasons -- warm, and less warm. In New York, you get dreary/rainy instead thanks to the Great Lakes.
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
Linus is actually moving to Beaverton, a largish edge city that borders Portland on the West.
It's a pretty spread-out place. There's an old, kind of abbreviated downtown in the SW portion; mostly it's strip malls, industrial / office parks, and residential areas ranging from condo-racks to nice suburban tracts.
There are some very nice wilderness parks nestled in there too. The Metro planning board keeps strict urban growth boundaries, so you can find working farms just a few miles to the SW.
Some of the office parks and complexes do have a "Silicon Valley" flavor, but are unsurprisingly a lot smaller. (I once worked in Oracle's Redwood Shores HQ, which kind of sets a high standard.)
I work in the far NW corner of Beaverton, in an area that really should be its own town because it's so far from the Post Office and town hall.
Traffic is usually not too bad, at least compared to Silicon Valley. Mass transit consists of lots of busses and a spiffy light rail line that goes to downtown Portland and the airport.
Stefan Jones
Another thing that I'm sure is on Linus' mind (or at least Tove's mind) is that Portland is typically thought of a better area to raise children then SoCal.
I mean hey, I turned out fine.... er.. bad example.
I've lived in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, New York City, and Chicago over the last ten years.
Whenever my mind turns to where I would like to go if I could live anywhere, Portland always pops into my head first (though I wouldn't mind a chance to try Denver out).
Talk about an awesome place to live.
If R(you know who) hears about this, he'll spasm and crap out his own skull.
If we make sure to keep him dry at all times. After all, old Oregonians don't die, the just rust away.
Why do I have this? I don't smoke.
Just a reminder to Linus:
Don't be fooled by imitations...You can always tell a true Oregonian by the moss growing on the north side of their nose.
Portland is such a cool city. If was ever to move out of Fairbanks and down to the Lower48, it would probably be to there...
Any summary of Portland, OR is incomplete without mentioning Mill Ends Park, the world's smallest park!
501 Not Implemented
it's too bad Portland changed so much. I grew up there in the eighties...it was okay. The teachers were nutty and self rightous.(Grant High School ,85)but the kids were mostly pretty cool. When people ask me "why do you get so upset about what some teacher says?" I have to explain how the Seeds of Ignorance get planted by those whom we choose to follow. Critical thought is so rare...don't you think. The culture of "Learned" men have hijacked places like Portland, turning the children into walking talking points. Our parents are to blame for allowing the Anti American element in our school systems to grow over the last three decades. Now the pendulum has swung a bit too far.
course schedule Fernwood Middle School fall 2004: homosexuality 101,Anal sex...what your parents didn't know,advanced journalism...shaping opinions, social studies:the dollar and why we should hate it,etc...
I'm gonna say it
You poor victims in Portland need to take back your city, else leave the liberals a crumbling mess...ask one to hammer a nail or lay a brick. They impune the working class as lazy or uneducated yet we build their places of learning, their homes, churches...etc..Why such contempt? They have piece of paper that says they are smart.
I'm gonna say it
I hate ___king liberals!
The national demography with the highest risk of autism are Finnish Americans. Oregon was #1 in autism for the year 2000. Fortunately, his children are past the age where they are likely to develop autism.
Seastead this.
More like 28.
So I must be all alone in thinking that someone (Alan Cox?) should just oust linus and become head of kernel development. Then perhaps we can have less of this "community of morons from XXX company" kernel development that has been getting worse lately.
The way Linux has been going over the last year it looks more and more like BSD is going to be the better OS soon. (at the rate linux is going no action is required from BSD, linux will just keep getting worse)
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." --Albert Einstein
Heh, ever been in Finland?
It's dark, dark, cloudy, dreary at some points, it rains a lot in the autumn, it gets -26 C easily in the winters (+the wind effect so it's something like effective -40 C).
I'm sure the new place will feel like a paradise, although less of a paradise than Silicon Valley has been.
Big, slimy, spotted banana slugs. You will watch where you sit after one experience.
Why do I have this? I don't smoke.
I too would be screaming for someone to call 911 on my behalf. My god, trapped in a phone booth! What if they broke through? It's a great thing everyone has cell phones these days.
The exquisite and luxurious species of the Southern Middle North America!
Well, I live out in the western suburbs in Portland, and there is a house for sale next to me...hmmm....
As an Oregonian who has lived in several places across the state, I will have to propose amendments to your pieces of advice:
* Visit a McMennamin's hotel for lunch or dinner...
But don't expect good service or clean silverware.
* Fareless Square.
Get a concealed carry permit first.
* Don't swim in any river that Intel has named a chip for. Seriously. It's not their fault, but I mean it.
There's nothing wrong with the Deschutes. But then again, most of you Portlanders can't see past the top of Mt. Hood, so I don't expect you to know anything about Oregon's high desert.
Now, to add on to your advice:
* Visit one of the fine sushi places in Portland. Sushi Town in Hillsboro is good. Not the best, but good.
* Visit Bend and go to the Deschutes Brewery if you want *truly good* beer. And good service.
* If your a Finn, go to Junction City (that's just northwest of Eugene) during the Scandinavian Festival's Finland Day.
* Don't take your kids to the Rose Festival carnival area. The ride operators deal drugs.
* Avoid downtown Portland (and downtown Eugene) whenever the WTO is meeting in this hemisphere, when a major timber sale is scheduled to happen, when war breaks out, when the President is in the Pacific Northwest, or any other time when it is reasonable to forecast traffic-slowing protests.
* Check out Ashland at least once.
* Get a Shedrain umbrella.
* The air sucks in Eugene.
Well, that's about all I can think of.
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
that's one more job filled here that didn't go to me. If you're going to send people up to the Pacific Northwest send up unskilled folks so I can compete. For example, that Encyclopedia Britannica kid won't cramp my style one bit. Send him up instead.
Microsoft Civilization destroyed by Linux in year 2007.
The cop who took me down there [...] swore that he'd never seen more white trash than in Portland.
Hey, careful. You insult our hometown like that, and we'll send local celeb Tonya Harding around to break your kneecaps.
Oh, wait. Gee, I guess you're right after all.
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd
As much as I like Linus and love what he's done for this world, this just had to be done wiht the picture that was used in the article...
Balkie Torvalds
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Currently im writing this from downtown San Diego and its 64 and dry (10.58pm PST). The fact that 90% of the people cannot afford homes is irrelevant though ;-)
1st story: my friend's brother was stabbed in the heart by a white trash metalhead outside a brewery in portland, in the parking lot on his way to his car, he wasn't robbed and the police just shrugged--they see it fairly often. 14 hours on the table to stitch up all the damage to his heart. seriously, the guy who did it just wanted to kill a geek, plain and simple...and he came very, very close to his goal. portland and seattle are famous for this kind of death metal nonsense. 2nd story: my apartment manager (a few years back) worked in portland several years ago and 3 nasty white trashers came in his store, robbed him, then put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. "click"...misfire. they were as stunned as him and they just ran away. another close call with the angel of death in beautiful northwest united states. i guess it can happen anywhere...but it seems to me there are a lot of nasty stories from NW USA, enough to take the problem seriously.
You're right! The weather here is so awful... and a really crappy quality of life. And the cost of living, sheesh! And the people are so mean and sallow. The coffee and beer here suck. I hate berries. Whatever you do, don't move to Oregon - because it's full of liars.
But seriously, don't move here.
Here's a hint: don't store valuables in your mailbox. Inside your house, especially a safe, is a better location.
the ride operators deal drugs? that was two guys, busted today, for the first time that I can remember in 25 + years. get the hell over it.
bring a concealed carry permit and your gun downtown? oh my god, that's the last thing we need, some freaking wack with a gun. oh sure he's licenced to cary it, so that means he know's how to use it? uh yeah sure...
I dont' know, I've lived in portland all my life, I feel safer downtown that I do in the suburbs. oh that's right, the only place I've been mugged in in the 'burbs, buy a bunch of bored suburban white kids...
Fuck off. We hate it when people move here.
09za's got it right, I thought about living in Portland but the liberal hell hole it's turned into makes me sick.
28 is still high when there are 2,000 cities.
* Visit a McMennamin's hotel for lunch or dinner...
But don't expect good service or clean silverware.
Before amending this, full disclosure: the McMenamin brothers are my uncles.
That out of the way...
In general the service is quite good, we go to a few of their places fairly often and the food always comes pretty fast. Of course, there are always isolated incidents, but don't let that discourage anyone from trying the restaurants.
I mean its.
But don't expect good service or clean silverware.
:)
Bah. Those are highly overrated. We're talkin' atmosphere.
There's nothing wrong with the Deschutes.
Whoops, my mistake. I forgot about deschutes-the-chip.
Avoid downtown Portland (and downtown Eugene) whenever [...] it is reasonable to forecast traffic-slowing protests.
There's a reason PDX is known as Little Beirut, and it ain't Al-Amir. The protests here are almost always peaceful, though it is prudent to stay away from the black-bloc anarchist types. Even they are pretty tame most of the time, and they are only about 2% of any major protest march. Still, why take chances when you've got the kids along?
Downtown in general seems much safer than other cities; I'm more comfortable downtown Portland at midnight than in downtown Seattle at noon.
Get a Shedrain umbrella.
Umbrella? Why? It's just water.
Also, one other thing. It's wacky in every sense of the word, but the Oregon Country Fair is a cultural experience that you'll not soon forget. (No matter how hard you try.) Think of it like Burning Man in the mud. It's the weekend of July 9 this year.
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd
God, not another Californian!
-Alan
You must work for them, or something. Real Portlanders don't have umbrellas.
I almost mentioned Sushi Town in my other threads, as it was down the road from where I lived off Sunset & 26, but really, Sushi Takahashi downtown has a bit more flavor, if you know what I mean, though the quality's not as good. Also, I was informed (quite seriously) by a friend who joined me at Sushi Town, "you know, they banned foam containers in Multnomah County?" This was remarked upon while he was fondling the cup his soybeans came in. So, points off for being less environmental. Just kidding.
Get off my launchpad!
It's not the rain, it's the dark, cloudy, dreary, scattered showers that get to you.
How can you not like that weather? Except for the scattered showers, it's the best kind.
Now Vancouver, BC, that's a city with depressing weather. I lived there for three years, and it rained something like 2/3 of the time.
I'm not a huge Portland fan, but I thought it was a nice enough city, and it had some neat little micro-tornados (1' wide, 10' or so high) that blew the snow around when I visited it in the winter.
The one thing I've heard about it (besides the crime) that bothers me is that there's apparently some serious racism and de-facto segregation by neighbourhood.
"...always new atoms but always doing the same dance, remembering what the dance was yesterday." -Richard Feynman
Yes, welcome, Linus!!!
If you need some help in getting oriented or someone to show you around, send me an email.
Living in Portland is far better than in NoCal. NoCal has too many cars and bad smog.
Here's useful info:
Portland has the largest bookstore in the world.
Portland borders on the confluence of the Willamette River and the Columbia River, one of the largest rivers in the world.
One of the 7 WindSurfing Wonders of the World is in the Columbia River Gorge, on the eastern edge of the Portland metropolitan area.
Portland has one of the largest and most successful dealers in contemporary art in the world. The gallery has a funny name, but shows the work of over 1,100 artists.
Portland has the largest park inside a city in the world. The park has over 74 miles of wilderness hiking trails and 5,124 acres.
Portland is the home of Pink Martini, a band that writes multi-cultural songs. One of Pink Martini's songs was once one of the most popular songs in France. You can listen to the music video.
It's a 55 minute drive from downtown Portland to the ski areas. "World Class Skiing in Your Own Backyard."
The K-12 Linux Project, in Portland, is one of the more successful projects for giving Linux to average users, who in this case are students.
On the other hand: Q. Why do hippies come to Portland? A. Because there are no jobs.
Many people don't like the months of rain every year. They say Portland is the perfect place for slugs and ducks. (However, the rain cleans the air.) Those with the correct philosophical orientation call it Liquid Sunshine.
Weather like the Bay Area? Umm... I was born and raised in the Bay Area, and have now been living in Portland for the past two years and I assure you that the weather is vastly different. Portland is a nice town, but the weather is not the same. July-October maybe, but other than that, forget it.
Terrible story and my sympathies... but that can happen in *any* city in this country and get the *same* response from the police... identity theft is just over their heads and the damned financial institutions just make too much money to worry about it. I moved here in '92 and absolutely love it mostly. My only complaint is that the gene pool seems pretty shallow outside of the downtown and westside areas (very pasty white and gets a bit scary Deliverance in some parts), but hell I can find that in New York, Texas, or California too.
You mean like "Lake No Negroes"?
Get off my launchpad!
I see lots of color in NoPo every day, mostly along MLK and (to a lesser degree) Interstate. And the area around SE 39th and Hawthorne is colorful in an .. interesting .. way.
And isn't it about time for an entirely new operating system kernel. Nothing big now.
If I promise to be a good boy can I have some better karma?
yeah, i do some work in those areas: the downtown, North portland, and Hawthorne area have interesting diversity --- but west of Beaverton, it gets kind of wierd... BUT BUT... North Portland has TWO Popeye's Fried Chicken establishments... a weakness of mine and my family. The tech boom helped bring in a lot of color tone to the westside but when you hit Cornelius (west of Hillsboro) it goes kind of time warpy... Latin to the south of the tracks, White to the North. Then ... just White further out.
I was raised and worked many years in Houston... where any gathering I was ever in looked like a casting call for Star Trek. So moving to portland in '92 was a bit of a culture shock... it has gotten better. When my son (who is part Asian) was first assigned to his class, some kids thought he was "black", now some of them think he's Italian and he's been stopped by the small town cops for "driving while Hispanic".
"When did that happen?, I used to live there and know about the assisted suicide and gay marriage, but I have never heard about LEGALIZED marijuana in Portland."
I think he/she/it is talking about the state medical marijuana law.
Here it is.
speaking of "driving while Hispanic", I drove a vato mobile for awhile, power blue chevy, and got pulled over constantly. When I moved on to an Izuzu pickup truck that all went away. So cops profile and harrass anything associated with poor/minority.
If he's been bitten by Vampire Attack Penguins, webbed feet shouldn't be a problem.
Wow! That correlation server must be a politician's dream!
Just insert InvolvedInTerroristActivity etc. as the y axis and simply target or blanket-ban the top 5 groups on the list whilst trumpeting the statistic to anyone who will listen.
To what extent is Linus' move to Portland something he wants to do versus something he *had* to do to be close to OSDL? I am a big fan of telecommuting and geographically disparate teams collaborating. The company I currently work for (in the UK) is, sadly, not a believer in the concept. I just wonder whether a corporate will ever be a believer in such things? Perhaps pressure from IBM and other corporate stakeholders in OSDL have caused Linus to move physically closer to the project? I sure hope I'm wrong though - and it is purely coincidental that he picked Portland. Or even if he did move closer to OSDL, it was out of his own accord as opposed to pressure from corp stakeholders. What are other peoples' views on how corporates in the US (and elsewhere) look at telecommuting?
-- Manik Surtani
The fundamental reason of why they are so semitic nobody really knows; that's what's so great about the jews.
I bet Barfly is one of your favorite movies huh?
and who raised those bored suburban white kids? people like you...fucktard
bah! it's Portland, just hide them under the soap :)
Silicon + Implants in one sentence ... should have guessed ;-)
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur
Don't you mean when they Finnish school?
Oh man, I crack me up. Should *not* be posting at 6am.
I spent two years in Eugene, Oregon.
You put on a raincoat, a floppy hat with a brim, and some rubber overshoes.
Then you just walk around and ignore the rain.
Everybody does it up there.
It's just the idiots that don't bother with the raincoat, the floppy hat and the rubber overshoes.
'Course, there's quite a few idiots in Oregon.
Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
Since the population of Portland proper is around ~475K (in the city itself, not the tri-county area), you know they didn't all come to the Starlight Parade. It'd be kinda hard to squeeze that many in along the parade route.
It'll be very cool having him here, even if he does move to Beaverton (aka the suburbs). I wonder if we'll ever get a 9-1-1 call from him.
I seem to remember reading, though, that he hated the weather in Finland and wanted to leave for that reason.
IIRC, in his book, Linus mentioned that he will never live there where he could not drive a convertable. Is it possible to drive a convertable there?
No sig today.
I would move to Portland if I knew I could get a job as a UNIX Admin. I love that city.
clicky, unfortunately in Norwegian but I think most will understand it anyway. More great Pondus comics (these in english) here.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Its not like the people on here are spending much time outside anyway.
The Sun? Oh yeah, I know what that is. Its a point light source an infinite distance away...
I heard from a reliable source that Linus' main box is a Windows ME machine, so all of you Linus sycophants can stop dreaming of the day when you'll get him to autograph your pocket protector.
It was a dull ochre color and quite spongy.
Yesteday when Linus dropped his salad fork the Madrid bourse crashed 20% with anticipation that Linus might bump his head and Linux would cease to exist.
This was already mentioned in an article about Linus last week on a finnish magazine "SEURA".
I live in Minnesota and love it. The cold keeps the riff raff out. See, you talk like sun and heat is a good thing and that is nearly impossible for me to understand. I love the cold and find a stiff October/November breeze to be about the best weather possible. I suffer through the 2.5 months of 80°F that we *do* get and live for the cooler weather. I don't bother with a jacket until it gets down around freezing.
You know that warm happy feeling you get in the sun? Some of us get that exact same feeling when its 36°F with a stiff north wind and we're outside to enjoy it. It's in our blood and our ancestors went where they could get it.
The Glass is Too Big: My Take on Things
Real geeks don't socialize.
Huh? I spent lots of time wandering around downtown Portland at all hours of the night and day (and lived at 16th and Yamhill for a year) in the early ninetees, and can't think of anything that would prompt this comment. It didn't look much different when I visted there last summer.
If you were going to feel weird about any area, OK, maybe just north of Burnside is a little seedy, but I never had any actual trouble there either.
--Bruce Fields
So when can we see Linus on the Simpsons?
(Portland,OR is the birthplace of Matt Groenig, the author of the Simpsons; there are many similarities between Springfield and Groenig's home town).
I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet -Stanislaw Lem
his family will make the move after his children finish school
I read that as "finnish school".
os2004 is being held in Portland the last week of July.
He probably shouldn't but it would be interesting to see him add to some of the tutorials or discussion groups.
Mod me troll, if you must, I can't help it.
Tonya Harding
'nuff said.
Joe G.
Bishop, CA
Don't Die Wondering
Can't even tell if you're joking, but "it's" was correct in the first place, as a contraction of "it has."
Its is a possessive...
And in the orginial post, it's "impugn," not "impune."
Joe G.
Bishop, CA
Don't Die Wondering
As a Portland resident, I, for one, welcome our new Torvalds overlords.
It is "original" not "orginial", perhaps one should pay attention to his own backyard before speaking of others'.
You must work for them, or something. Real Portlanders don't have umbrellas. :)
I'm from Eastern Oregon. We don't have rain. When I moved to the Willamette Valley, I got an umbrella.
But I'll admit that my web feet have grown in just fine, and I almost never use it, the exceptions being when I happen to be in a suit or my wife is wearing something she wants to stay dry in.
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
In general the service is quite good, we go to a few of their places fairly often and the food always comes pretty fast. Of course, there are always isolated incidents, but don't let that discourage anyone from trying the restaurants.
Well, most of my experiences with any McMenamin's have been the pubs in Eugene. The food is damned good, the beer is good, but there have been many times where I've gone into one of them, it's taken 20 minutes for a server to get around. When they finally take my order, it comes fast, which is good, but after that, you never see your server again, even if you want another beer. That really sucks when you want to leave because you have somewhere to be, because sometimes it becomes difficult to pay the tab.
Though, to be completely honest, the service in most pubs and restaurants in Eugene sucks. However, the only place I refuse to go to anymore is the McMenamin's High Street Brewery, where I've gotten dirty silverware on multiple occasions. The other place I stopped going to went out of business, for some reason. (It wasn't a McMenamins.)
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
Surely that should read, 'when his children Finnish school'?
Zing..
still sounds pretty good when you live just outside "Bergen/Passaic, NJ" most of the houses that make that ranking are really nice, but I've seen even places featuring astroturf go for hundreds.
=1000101
the ride operators deal drugs? that was two guys, busted today, for the first time that I can remember in 25 + years. get the hell over it.
Hey, I'm just poking fun at Portland's flaws. You'll never be as safe in Portland as I was in Redmond, Oregon, when I was growing up.
Since that incident was so recent, I decided to throw that in.
bring a concealed carry permit and your gun downtown? oh my god, that's the last thing we need, some freaking wack with a gun. oh sure he's licenced to cary it, so that means he know's how to use it? uh yeah sure...
I can't find a better source right now than the University of Oregon's Daily Emerald dated January 23, 2004, but the fact is that the only group of citizens that commits less gun crime and has less gun incidents than concealed carry permit holders are senior citizens.
And yes, any given permit holder "know's how to use it"... they all have to take a firearms class (Lane Community College has a good one), and must pass a background check. The same as a cop.
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
Offtopic, but what the hck:
I've been thinking about that. How could a person possibly get both their birth certificate and their passport stolen from a mailbox?
Usually you need the birth certificate to apply for the passport, so you'd get it in the mail months before the passport. And once you have a passport, there isn't much you still need a birth certificate for, because a passport is about the best gov't ID there is. I dunno why you'd order another BC after you've got your passport using the copy you got a couple months back... bonkers.
The funny thing is, the silly troll is correct in saying that there's a lot of mail theft around here, but his exaggeration ruins the effect. (Or shows him to operate in a truly bizarre way.)
In addition to that, if he's working at the old Sequent building (a. la. OSDL), there is a really kickass McMennamins just up Cornell Road.
Here's a Mapquest link.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
And so is Hillsboro.
/ Br onze-fiberglass.pdf
Actually, the OSDL is NOT in Portland. It is a bit off Hwy 26, but the Max and Trimet go there. I once met Bill Kerr, who used to live in my very apartment complex. He thought I was an engineer, but I professed honestly that I only dabbled in Linux. But, it was hard then and now, at my level, to get even a jr tech assist position. Funny thing is I didn't know until after Feb or March 2003 that OSDL existed, and that I several times drove by it and rode by it on the bus.
Now, I'm back in San Jose, but I still miss the Portland area. Especially Powell's City of Books.
Linus, maybe you'll be at the Open Source convention in Portland by July. It would be cool if once in a while you can give talks at Powell's Technical Books.
http://www.underwaterlightsusa.com/pdf/products
WELCOME to the Portland area.... Be sure to try the restaurants. For those who like to see wild things, hang out near Burnside. There is a pizza parlor catercorner to Powell's City of Books. LOTS of teens and older adults ride things on wheels from atop the hill, down some 2 to 4 miles I understand. I never got a chance to see it, but it's supposed to be a "thing" to see in Portland.
Regards...
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
The cask-conditioned, unfiltered, hand drawn IPA at Bridgeport is not to be missed. They also make a great pizza.
"Give a man a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and French fries!"
Implants are totally unnecessary. Simply let them play around mud puddles. Foot webbing doesn't grow 100% of the time. Starting from the northern tip of Vancouver Island where very nearly is 100%, the chance of not growing webbing increases slowly as you go south to the southern end of Puget Sound where it's about 90%, then increases more rapidly until you hit the California border where it is zero. So around Portland, they might, and they might not grow webbing.
People in the Pacific Northwest are looked at oddly for wearing socks with sandals. Being looked at funny for wearing socks is a lot easier to deal with than the whispering and fingerpointing by people who have never seen a person with webbed feet before.
Huh? I spent lots of time wandering around downtown Portland at all hours of the night and day (and lived at 16th and Yamhill for a year) in the early ninetees, and can't think of anything that would prompt this comment. It didn't look much different when I visted there last summer.
I can't find an article reference to it on google news (might be too long ago), but a few months back there was an incident where a guy jumped off a Tri-Met bus and shot someone in broad daylight downtown.
My sister lives downtown near PSU, and she feels pretty safe in that area, and I agree that Portland isn't the most dangerous city around, but it's still a rough city.
According to city-data.com's Portland info Portland has a pretty high crime rate, the index being 569.9 (~330 is average for a U.S. city). Someone in another part of the thread mentioned feeling much less safe in Seattle. Seattle's crime index is about 580, not much higher than Portland. The murder rates of Portland and Seattle are essentially the same (about 4 per 100,000). Portland has a higher crime index than Los Angeles (553.3), but it's a lot lower than Oakland, CA (657.9).
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
Linus moves to Oregon, can't find work.
I ownder if he'll try to get a tour of the Microsoft campus in redmond.
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And how many people died in this incident? And how many people pass through downtown Portland in the average day? If you were really worried about your chances of being killed while walking through downtown Portland, surely you'd be better off, say, working on your street-crossing technique.
Damn it, I don't care who he is: we don't need any more Californians moving to Portland.
Unless he needs to take the 26, then it will be bad...it always is.
oh, and any mass transit system that take s 71 minutes to take you 14 miles sucks.
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and the first thing people asked me was "Where did you move from?" Turns out any answer other than "California" is acceptable.
Linus should tell people he's moving there from Europe. It's a safe answer!
--Rob
Dude, how can you forget this?
*Visit Powell's, supposedly the largest used bookstore in the world. It's like a friggin' maze made of bookshelves.
Admittedly, used computer books are not as useful as new ones, but they have a killer sci-fi section, and every other topic you can think of. Plus a nice cafe!
This is from the knowledge i gathered
Oregon park site says it has 5124 Acerage Google Calculation says
so 5 124 acres = 20.7360923 square kilometers
National Park in Mumbai has 104 sq Kms its known as one of the largest park in the heart of the city.
It has rich Fauna, it is the lungs of 1 of the most populous cities in the world. there is an animal safari and there are ancient buddhist caves whose pics u will find on my site.
Striving to be common...
I lived in the bay area (sunnyvale, and emeryville) and am considering moving back if I can even find some lousy tech support position even though I am qualified for unix and windows sysadmin. It is a shame that working from home never materialized in force.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
Knock it off or I'll sell my house and buy your state! :-)
Even growing up in Central OR and now living in Portland, I know that no self-respecting Portlander uses an umbrella. I call Shill! Shill, I say!
You know what?
but the fact is that the only group of citizens that commits less gun crime and has less gun incidents than concealed carry permit holders are senior citizens.
Shhh! You'll get the liberals up in arms (so to speak) if you say anything at all nice about personal firepower. Present them with unpleasant little truths like this, backed by facts, and they'll do their screaming, frothing-at-the-mouth fanatic routine. It always ends up with the loons calling us gun-carriers 'Nazis' and 'child-haters' - really, one of the few times in the course of my normally nice, boring existence that I'm honestly tempted to shoot anyone with my concealed weapon. I catch myself thinking 'murder or no, this can only help the gene pool' and then yank my hand back from beneath my jacket before it takes on a life of it's own....
Max
My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
incorrectly, I might add.
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I love the cold and find a stiff October/November breeze to be about the best weather possible.
Me too. I can't stand the heat and I generally avoid the sun where possible. Much of my blood is Russian so when my ancestors got off the boat they stayed in NY where it is nicely cold in the winter, but feels warm and toasty compared to Minsk.
I think it's a good compromise, although I've migrated to the more northerly NY climes (I've determined by actual test that Virginia is far too southerly for me to do anything but visit in the winter/spring), but admit that when it gets above 75F or below 20F I'm not the happiest puppy on the block. I may avoid the sun, but I like to avoid it outside. Bicycling at -20F is doable, but I don't call it fun.
KFG
Take up a snow-sport. That way, when it's drizzling for the 25th day in a row, you can think about all the new snow up on Mt. Hood.
would have called 911 from the phonebothe he was in,but hey, at least he rocks.
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most of you Portlanders can't see past the top of Mt. Hood, so I don't expect you to know anything about Oregon's high desert.
Small wonder. Why would we want to if that's the attitude to which we will be subjected should we venture there?
Maybe I'll see him around
Theres a LOT of un*x geeks around here, this is a pretty logical place actually
I wonder if he's going to be part of any local linux user groups, that would be fascinating
Sounds like Linus needs a dictionary. :-) Sounds like one of those made up words Rob Halford of judas Priest is known for (in a comical way). Desolizating, etc.
Should I care that Torvalds is moving?
I lived in Minnesota for about 10 years after moving from Detroit. I live in Florida now. I don't like it. I'm looking for a way to make enough money to move back to MN:(
Interesting. Second largest park, then.
As a current resident of Portland, and a proponent of *nix (except SCO ;-) ) it is good to have Linus here.
However, it seems the government in Portland/Multnomah county hates all companies. It is rated as one of the worst places to start a company. We've lost most of our high tech jobs.
Geez, Intel is here and this is the place where the Pentium cpu's are designed. I mean there was a lot going on here ten years ago.
A 9% INCOME TAX is just f*cking ridiculus. Of course we have no sales tax; it doesn't make up for the stupid income tax. The government leaders here make it so difficult to have a business here. We've got major problems here in Portland.
So many people here have this dream of a great quality of life, and we do have a great one. But we've gone out of balance. It seems like, that if you have a business then the attitude is "you don't deserve profit and your'e lucky we let you stay".
If cities were operating systems, then Portland would be Microsoft Windows, and Seattle would be Linux! Quite ironic, actually.
Sorry to rant.
it's all fun and games until some group suffers a genocide
or
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
Oregon is a beautiful place - a regular garden of Eden. The people are laid back, educated, and comitted to individual freedom. Their laws on pot, death, and most things reflect their values of individual freedom and the American Way in general.
A beautiful place with beautiful people and the laws such people would write for themselves.
Linus will be at Home there.
> Linus is actually moving to Beaverton, a largish edge city that borders Portland on the West.
Wrong. According to a knowledgeable person who does IT support for the local schools (hi Eric!), he registered his kids in the Riverview school district. You may have heard about it because they run Linux there -- the head IT guy there is one of the names behind the K-12 Linux project. They also host the PLUG monthly Linux clinics (I wonder if we can get him to show up at one.)
And Riverview school district is located in an unincorporated part of Multnomah county between Portland & Lake Oswego -- quite a few miles from Beaverton. I figure that from this location he'll be able to avoid travelling 26 when he needs to be in the office. (And having driven the highways in the Bay Area & in LA, in years past 26 was worse than either: it combines traffic as heavy as a freeway in either of those places with a large number of drivers who either have no skill coping with traffic this heavy/pissed at all of the new arrivals. However, now that there's fewer people commuting, it's gotten much better.)
Geoff
I think I see a trend here. Maybe for them it really would be easier to muzzle the entire internet than to produce p
Okay, third largest. Thanks for the correction.
... and in my opinion, Portland is:
An unflushed toilet;
A festering sore;
The hemorrhoid of the Pacific Northwest;
The Rectum of the Willamette Valley;
Oregon's raised middle finger;
and a few other things that aren't very nice to say. Before he moved to Dallas, J.R. Ewing lived in Portland. Before living in Portland, he was a nice guy. And Tonya Harding lives in Portland in real life.
When Linus finds out how miserable the commute is from Portland to his job in Beaverton, and finds how BAD the Portland public school system is, he's going to wish to hell he'd located in Washington County instead. He'll get cut off, and flipped off, in traffic EVERY DAY. Some people have even been shot and killed on that road.
Welcome to Portland. City of assholes.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth gets you modded -1 Troll
He probably got tired of all the silicone and no forest. ;)
Acclimatize is in the dictionary (or at least several I could find on quick notice):
Oregon has similar income tax rates to California's, and property taxes are astronomical.
I've come across racist sentiments from all sorts of people in all parts of the US that I've visited. I wouldn't say that West of Portland was anyworse than Eastern Oregon... Or Washington... Or...
My stepchildren are part Hispanic, and don't seem to have any problems.
Hillsboro and Gresham both have large Latino contingents. South East Portland is heavy on the Eastern European (Russian, Romanian,...) My next door neighbour is Dutch. I'm Scottish. It seems like some places/people are worse than others.
Z.
-- Under/Overrated is meta-moderation, and therefore is Redundant.
Also, don't forget the cow art.
Whoops, forgot the link: Cow Art in Portland.
ah yes, and so you make asumptions. because you know who I am, and the fact that I've got kids. oh wait, but I don't. and I live in Portland, in inner S.E. Portland. I hate the 'burbs. I used to commute out to the burbs to work, and I never felt safe out there when I would be going to work on the bus, or on the max. give me n. Portland anyday. but oh yeah I'm the fucktard. I forgot. oh crap, I got trolled by a stupid git AC... ah yes...
Doesn't matter. It's still the fault of the criminal. They broke into someone's house(crime), stole a gun(crime), probably carried the gun concealed(crime), and then commited a robbery/murder with the gun(crime).
As opposed to the gun owner, who legally bought a gun(not-crime), applied for a concealed carry permit(not-crime), and put the gun inside their house(not-crime).
Not all guns are used for self-defense or crimes. Hunting, target-shooting, Olympic sharp shooting, collections. Get over your hoplophobia.
see the funny thing is, I have a close and very dear friend who has a concealed carry permit, and he does not carry, or not as much anymore.
while I've been shooting with him at the local range, I still don't feel that he or anyone else should have guns. much less to "try" to defend them selves. (oh sure, he's been trained on self defence, but when the shit hit's the fan what's really going to happen?)
why? because well you know, cops, they "in theory" know how to defend them selves. yet, wow, they've managed to kill in the past year, two people who were compleately unarmed, who presented no real tangable risk (except the cops' view of that risk, which was hightened...)
so in the end, I don't think you should bring a gun into the city. much less to 'defend your self'.
and no, I'm not advocating that he or anyone else loose their rights to have said guns.
I took a road trip up the left coast last year. Portland is great. Unfortunately, it was not great enough to make up for spending the night before in Medford.
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Ah yes, Cornelius Pass Roadhouse. They have a new (within the last few years) addition called Imbrie Hall, which has excellent food. Check out the men's restroom in Imbrie too - cool plumbing (you'll know what I mean when you see it).
Agreed... the "heartland", common people, the salt of the earth.. you know, morons, (apologies to Blazing Saddles) can be everywhere. The Latin influx of settlers in Hillsboro/Gresham started about six years ago (as opposed to the seasonal stuff)... I actually feel a bit at home now and my gods the food quality has improved . The Latin food choices here used to be *terrible*. My spouse (a pharmacist) is of Japanese descent but speaks better Russian than her ancestral tongue (actually her Texas accent would kill a cow at 10 paces). More than a few of her patients are Ukraine or Russian. The "driving while Hispanic" issue seems to be confined to Cornelius, a bit of Forest Grove and perhaps Gaston... though Gaston is more of a "driving while not from Gaston" problem. Ok.... now I *know* no one on Slashdot is going to mod this conversation up . I'm just your average Keltic/Saxon/Norse genepool of opportunity here...
Phoenix AZ has a 16,000+ acre park inside the city limits. (for you Europeans, AFAIK, it's about the size of the Republic of San Marino in Italy)
So that's when we moved to California.
And got divorced.
That explains it. I've been out east, towards the Pendleton area, and I believe you, now. It's like west Texas out there, except not as flat.
Get off my launchpad!
I've found that the Eugene McMenamin's can have worse service than the others. High Street is the worst I've been too, 19th Street tends to be good, and North Banks is the best of the 3.
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" P. J. O'Rourke
Powell's Technical Bookstore is a geek wetdream.
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" P. J. O'Rourke
Yikes! And I thought biking in the rain here in Wisconsin was rough. Obviously if I'm biking the rain one can assume it's most likely above 32F, heh. The coldest I can ever recall it being here was something like -30F one winter. I remember schools were canceled due to cold. I was used to having "snow days" where school closed, but that was the first and only "can't let the kids get frostbite" days off I had.
But biking at -20F? I really hope that's a typo, unless you did it to experiment with self cryogenic preservation or something.
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
Dude, that is so wrong. Having lived in Cali, Oregon and now the south, Portland is far, far away from being 'white trash' - yes, they're there, but it's balanced out by a lot of cool cultural vibes. Not so in a lot of other cities.
I notice Memphis was not on your list of cities to compare with. Well, let me tell you how it is here:
- Memphis is famous for three things - Elvis(plus daughter), the shooting of Martin Luther King Jr., and Justin Timberlake.
- We're in western Tennessee, brdering Mississippi and Arkansas for triple the hickness. Portland borders what, Washington? I bet even the 'white trash' there drinks lattes("But from *Starbucks*!" you say. "How lowbrow! Real coffee lovers drink Coffee People!").
- Oregon's favorite drinks - Coffee, microbrew beer.
- Tennessee's favorite drinks - Jack Daniels, cheap beer.
- You have Tanya Harding, true; but we have a lot of them, it's just that none can make it to the Olympics in figure skating.
So in closing.... Portland is far from the white-trashiest place in the U.S.
Guess you haven't spent a lot of time on Canyon Road west of the 217, where it seems like there's a traffic light every 100ft. Arggggg!
I call the cloudy part of the year the "software season". Since it's too wet to do much outside, it's a great time to cozy up in front of a warm CRT and write code.
Here is a links. http://www.upa.pdx.edu/IMS/currentprojects/silicon forest.html
Included is a small version of a poster that shows a sort of familiy tree of 300 or so of the most significant companies. You can also link over to a list of those companies.
-courtney
Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
I was using the Latin "originial" or "to correct others without washing one's own wordsmithing." It's the originial meening, you know...
Joe G.
Bishop, CA
Don't Die Wondering
Just a few miles from Maupin (see, I do SO know something about Oregon outside of Portland, dumbass), the Deschutes river nearly killed me. Caught a VERY bad dose of campylobacter from taking in a mouthful swimming through Boxcar one sunny day. The Willamette never did that to me, though one does want to avoid it on those very rainy days when that brown stuff comes bubbling up in different places along the banks...
Even growing up in Central OR and now living in Portland, I know that no self-respecting Portlander uses an umbrella. I call Shill! Shill, I say!
I got one when I moved from Bend to Eugene. I don't really use it anymore... just one winter makes your webfeet grow, but I still recommend one when wearing a suit.
What part of Central OR did you grow up in? I'm a Redmond High grad, and my wife's a Bend High grad.
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
Small wonder. Why would we want to if that's the attitude to which we will be subjected should we venture there?
Sorry. It's just that since moving to the Valley, I've noticed that a lot of people on this side of the mountains don't give a rat's ass about Oregon's needs on the other side of the mountains. I've gotten a bit pessimistic and cynical about the whole thing.
For instance, Bend is the largest city (pop. ~52,000) on on the west coast that does not have at least a bus system. Portland spends millions of dollars on light rail.
There are also issues of agriculture, land use, highways, etc. It just seems to me that most of the people I'm around, at least, don't care about much beyond their back yard. Not just Portlanders, really.
"Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
Yeah, yeah, Powell's rocks along with the beer, Swagat lunch buffet, Salvidor Molly's, fresh blueberries, Sleater-Kinney and the like but let's talk survival here:
;)
Old tech should go to Free Geek (freegeek.org) if not donated prior to departure.
Powell's TECHnical bookstore is a must-visit for dead-tree docs. Borders and B&N do quite well with new titles and discounting.
Computer Bits magazine is handy for a PC market orientation.
Fry's down in WIlsonville is essential for selection of components. Supposedly they are building a new one north of PDX to save the Vancouver crowd some gas and sales tax.
The CompUSA's aren't bad if you need something more mainstream.
The Mac scene (Linux runs on PPC!) is very good in PDX featuring a new Apple Store (FWIW), The Mac Store (formerly the computer store), Mac Force, PowerMax (now tied to Mac Store) and the excellent Mac Shop repair shop who can save you a bundle (or time) on repairs.
If you need an odd cable, Oregon Electronics on NE Couch is good and man he loves his work.
Check out Wacky Willie's, especially the deep-Beaverton one if you need an ancient terminal or something for a driver/art project. The NW one isn't bad either.
If you're buliding a PC, Pace Computers is great on prices (no frills) and Memory Time in John's Landing is good about memory with a guarantee and a smile.
Then of course is PLUG (as mentioned), the Portland Linux/Unix Group (pdxlinux.org) where you can meet Eric (also mentioned), Henry, Wil, Alan and the gang plus Zot if he's passing through town. The Advanced Topics meetings should be taking an interesting twist if someone's kept them alive.
MD