.. If I started the calender 2 years ago and in 1998 years it would be 2000, should people feel that some great wrath would fall on all mankind? (plus the y2k should have been fixed by then by most software companies)...
It's silly how we sometimes take these numbers and see some hidden meaning inside them, silly when most of are geeks and believe in more realistic things.. in a positive note.. i'm almost done with my CD recoding tool (GPL), it does DAO perfect copies of all sony drives.. more to come.. --
IBM is also a lot bigger than Sun, and thus would be able to absorb any drop in sales (this is how the market hats think) due to the software being OpenSource.... --
uses NT or 95 or dos... see his directory trees of the CD's.. he's not credible to begin with.. how trustworthy would his distro be, if he's based in an OS that's from m$? --
Check out the binary plugable multi-OS driver (you dont need to recompile the binary if your running on the same platoform, but different OS) implementation of XFree86 4.0 and the pre server they released. It's what we should be awed about.:) --
I just got back from Gain's main office (they have a new office down on 6th st and 6th ave), it's very nice. But right now they are giving access to only small bizs and cooperate accounts. They cover more area in Tucson than DSL does. I have DSL.
Some things about DSL (USWEST). I've had DSL since November of last year, I was given a Cisco 675 router (or DSL modem if you like to call it that). It was intially in bridged mode and my IP was mapped directly to the NIC in my puter. I had no problems with this. But, recently (When I moved to a new apartment), I found out that US west is no longer giving birdged access. Instead, their DSL is sent through a PPP like mode with NAT. This is consistant throughout all their installations in every state US west servers, if you have USwest as your ISP.
What does that mean? Well it's pretty crappy, now your router gets the ip and you get 10.0.0.x addresss. On top of that you have a NAT in the router to deal with. That is extreemly bad for a Linux user (I cant even send anything with DCC in IRC) or anyone who gets a random port on ip connects.. Things that wont work are netmeeting, cuseeme and any game products (including quake.. blah). This is extremly bad, you're getting a limited service, when in fact they claimed to be giving full access. I had to use my modem to play quake. Right now I'm switiching over to starnet (which has bridged access). So if your getting DSL with USWESt and have them as your ISP make sure you ask if your getting PPP DSL or Bridged DSL. If it's PPP, shop around for a local ISP that does DSL through USWEST.
Enjoy.
PS: I might do wireless when they go residental. --
Formed to protect intellecutal property. Now used to give ulcers to the true intellecutal property owners. I think it's time we got rid of trademarks and patents. --
I work in a research lab that does a lot of databases on Linux. We started off with msql and then graduated to mysql. We were initially running redhat with msql and slowly moved to Debian, since we felt it was a more stable server distribution. Also it was more configurable, and we were able to tweak almost anything in the system to it's limit. Recently, we moved to Oracle 8i, but we kept our mysql around.
Some of the thing you might need to know. If your going to do some serious databases, I recommend you spend more money in faster harddisks (SCSI preferble, multiple disks (oracle runs very nicely with the database spanned over 3-4 disks and the program running on another disk -- partitions wont do ). Have a generous amount of RAM and swap. If your making this a database box, dont use it for anything else. Even hosting a web server is not a good idea (As far as I'm concerned). Use WebDB if you like and host the database box seperately with just the database running as the main application.
Make sure you have a stable kernel. Make sure you have a secure system. Use ipchains to block out anything but local and remove all telnet and other daemons. Security is something a lot of people forget when making large databses.
Make sure you make daily, if not hourly backups (based on how sensitive your data is). RAID is a good way to keep your system running. Also if your database is web based, you might need to have 2 or 3 boxes set up identically and databse queries being distributed over all of them.
With Oracle, read everthing, they have a lot of tweaks listed on their pdf files and documents that come with the dist. Read all of them. Some tweaks are to the kernel. So pick a good stable kernel and stick to it. Forget about monthly kernel upgrades. I recommend yearly or every 6 months kernel upgrades. Software wise, if your doing Oracle 8i, make sure it's a glibc2.1 system (RH6 and debian potoato (we use potato, even though it's unstable, it lets us tweak the system and gives us the most familier interace ).
On mysql, it might help to read some of the online tweaks, also it might be a good idea to compile the server yourself, instead of using the one that came with your dist. Or compile it and copy it over what came with your distribution. Dont use msql unless there is no other way to do it.
I think it's time for us to accelerate our anti-unisys propagenda. Start by vocing out our concers, making web sites (like the burngifs web site), telling people away from UNISYS products, in favor of other, better products. Calling your local rep and educating them about software patents and the horror that comes from it (give Unysis as an example). Put a UNY$I$ Sucks logo on your bumper. On all your sites put a link to a prominant non-gif site (like gnu.org) and copy gnu.org's anti-gif policy statement and use it. Use PNG. Write nice and clean letters to the executive branch at UNISYS and demand (nicely) that they back down, reason with them, (like you do with kids), explain to them what a Network is, then what an Internet is, then what GIF represents. Show them how foolish they are. Show them how they are putting the community against them, which would, in the end bring about their downfall. Tell them about other companies that had ventured into this arena and had god eaten alive by the nerds.
Most true, Jedi master. I see that you know the force well and it flows as fluid as water. But the fragmentation does have some valid points. Maybe not to the Linux kernel itself. But the OS in generl, those that are forwared by Debain, Redhat, SuSE, Caldera or anyone else.. File system standards are fine, but I dont really feel this is enough. Recently my company went through a whole regoranization (I was heading it). We moved from RedHat based servers to Debian based servers (some are even running the potato now). I was techinically more at ease with Debian, but, my fellow works, those that learned redhat from a book spent many a day bikering at how ugly Debian was (When in fact it was the other way), and how lost they were when they wanted to do something in Debian vs how they did it in Redhat. For normal users such OS changes are fine, but for adminstrators it means a completely different thing. I had to give quite a few seminars to my fellow works and bosses to make them get comfortable with Debian. Why is this happenning? Arnt they all supposed to follow some standard? even if the packgaging systems are different? This is a sad case and getting worse day by day. libc is another problem, some distrubtions just refuse to go up to glibc2 when others are already in glibc2.1, and some companies just put their newest products out in glibc2.1 (Eg: Oracle), when most ppl are running standard OSes that contain nothing but glibc2 at best. Our Oracle upgrade needed a potato upgrade in debian. This came with it's own problems since potato was an unstable OS. I suspect this kind of frangmentation would keep going on. Why cant we have some meetings and iron out the differneces between where files are stories (file system hiraachey standards) and othes. Till that day, I have to waste more time educating ppl and learning different OSes just to install a linux kernel on a box. good day. --
Bob seems to have done a good job at fragmenting the various movements inside our commnity, this is sad indeed. If this continues, I guess his predicitions have a higher chance of becomming true.
BTW, One of his other prediction was the collapse of the internet in 96, when this didnt come true, he had to eat his column in front of 1000 ppl. --
And he had to eat his columumn in front of 1000 people Pics of this event. For some odd reason, the pics have been restricted:) I wonder why. Lets make a suggestion.. Lets get bob to eat a Linux Manual. --
I'm not too sure, but could someone clue me as to what kind of SMP support (if any, this chip would have?). As it is, I dont really see myself buying a single processor based system anytime in the future.
The prices for 500mhz seems to be reasonable and if they are good enough, and does SMP, hell, i'd even dump my PII's and get some of these babies.
On SMP, saw the cool abit dual celeron board? very nice (now i wonder if that would compete with a single K7). --
What can I say, BeOS is here to stay and it's heavly typecast (whatever others might say -- more so than any other OS). I've read Mr. Hackers article and came to the conclusion that he seems a bit frustrated about the media focus on Linux and not his OS. And every now and then he makes a stab at Linux and it's users. Well, Mr. Hackers, that's not the way to win friends. Most Linux users like BeOS, hell they'd even fish out enough money to buy that OS over any other OS. Typically pitching the BeOS group against Linux group would not result in somethin beautiful. (Not right now, Be (correct me if i'm mistaken), is not mature enough to take on all the other OSes ) just as Linux is not. Adovcating your OS is something most of us do, but when your in the same rut as others around you (linux users), please do not alienate them and try to put them against us senario into action. If you succeed in doing that, Mr. Hacker, you'd see a very evil MickeySoft laughing as two young OSes battle out and die young.....
Let it live togheter! Long live Linux, *BSD, Hurd, BeOS (see that's the only commerical OS I see worth of including in my lineup, Mr. Hacker, please dont change my mind with your negativity and subtile comments). --
I'm willing to help the permedia 3d port effort if simon from suse puts out a new tar ball. Two more months and if no this tar ball is not out, we'll start on our own porting.
Dear/. ers, I wrote the following note to Metrowerks regarding CodeWarrior for Redhat Linux. Hope more of you write to them and get them to get over this stupid notion that Redhat is Linux.
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Hello,
I'm a GNU/Linux Debian user and we recently replaced all our RedHat based servers with debian. I'm real worried about the fact that you wish to market your product (one that I respect a lot), only for a certain Linux Distribution. Most of us do not use Redhat, redhat is usually used by people starting out with Linux, I dont think your product would be used by this so called "linux newbies", I would appericate it if you could rename the product for Linux. Instead of RedHat Linux. Linux is not owned by Redhat, redhat is a distribution, just like Caldera, Debian GNU/Linux, SUSE, Stampede GNU/Linux and a number of others. If the requrements are a glibc 2.1 based system, say so instead of stating that this is just for RedHat. My Debian system was a glibc2.1 based system a lot time before redhat came out with RH6.0.
Also, it would alinate more than 70% of the Linux community if you just shipped this product as RPMs. My suggestion is to market them similar to how Netscape markets it's products for Linux. Put them out in tar balls, let the User install it. Put various compiled versions of your software on your commerical CD. and so on..
To sum up, Redhat is not Linux. Your release of CodeWarrior for Linux is not appericated in the Linux community with your current stipulation, this would lead to a massive anti-metrowerks/codewarrior champagn (which has already started, check major linux online magazines and news sites, Like LinuxToday, Linux.com and Slashdot), Our community is as devoted and as powerful the Mac Community, and if we see someone threatning the fabrics of what holds our community, we would strike back. Possibly boycotting all your products.
Slashdot Mirror
That movie sucked..
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Try 80 min media : 700MB storage. Most new PC games are stored on this format.. thus limiting the number of ppl getting a sucessful backup. :)
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.. If I started the calender 2 years ago and in 1998 years it would be 2000, should people feel that some great wrath would fall on all mankind? (plus the y2k should have been fixed by then by most software companies)...
It's silly how we sometimes take these numbers and see some hidden meaning inside them, silly when most of are geeks and believe in more realistic things.. in a positive note.. i'm almost done with my CD recoding tool (GPL), it does DAO perfect copies of all sony drives.. more to come..
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IBM is also a lot bigger than Sun, and thus would be able to absorb any drop in sales (this is how the market hats think) due to the software being OpenSource....
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uses NT or 95 or dos... see his directory trees of the CD's.. he's not credible to begin with.. how trustworthy would his distro be, if he's based in an OS that's from m$?
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People do write sarcastic comments here. The one up this thread is a bit hilarious if I may say so.
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This looks more like a stool.. so how much weight can it take? Would it crash when an average Nerd sits on top of it?
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Check out the binary plugable multi-OS driver (you dont need to recompile the binary if your running on the same platoform, but different OS) implementation of XFree86 4.0 and the pre server they released. It's what we should be awed about. :)
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...but isn't UDI a Microsoft theory that was implemented by a group from SCO? If so, this might be something evil... could it not? :)
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I just got back from Gain's main office (they have a new office down on 6th st and 6th ave), it's very nice. But right now they are giving access to only small bizs and cooperate accounts. They cover more area in Tucson than DSL does. I have DSL.
Some things about DSL (USWEST). I've had DSL since November of last year, I was given a Cisco 675 router (or DSL modem if you like to call it that). It was intially in bridged mode and my IP was mapped directly to the NIC in my puter. I had no problems with this. But, recently (When I moved to a new apartment), I found out that US west is no longer giving birdged access. Instead, their DSL is sent through a PPP like mode with NAT. This is consistant throughout all their installations in every state US west servers, if you have USwest as your ISP.
What does that mean? Well it's pretty crappy, now your router gets the ip and you get 10.0.0.x addresss. On top of that you have a NAT in the router to deal with. That is extreemly bad for a Linux user (I cant even send anything with DCC in IRC) or anyone who gets a random port on ip connects.. Things that wont work are netmeeting, cuseeme and any game products (including quake.. blah). This is extremly bad, you're getting a limited service, when in fact they claimed to be giving full access. I had to use my modem to play quake. Right now I'm switiching over to starnet (which has bridged access). So if your getting DSL with USWESt and have them as your ISP make sure you ask if your getting PPP DSL or Bridged DSL. If it's PPP, shop around for a local ISP that does DSL through USWEST.
Enjoy.
PS: I might do wireless when they go residental.
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Is FreeBSD trademarked? By who? What about the other *BSD's? I dont want to see the same Linux senario happening when FreeBSD gets more accepted.
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Formed to protect intellecutal property. Now used to give ulcers to the true intellecutal property owners. I think it's time we got rid of trademarks and patents.
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I work in a research lab that does a lot of databases on Linux. We started off with msql and then graduated to mysql. We were initially running redhat with msql and slowly moved to Debian, since we felt it was a more stable server distribution. Also it was more configurable, and we were able to tweak almost anything in the system to it's limit. Recently, we moved to Oracle 8i, but we kept our mysql around.
Some of the thing you might need to know. If your going to do some serious databases, I recommend you spend more money in faster harddisks (SCSI preferble, multiple disks (oracle runs very nicely with the database spanned over 3-4 disks and the program running on another disk -- partitions wont do ). Have a generous amount of RAM and swap. If your making this a database box, dont use it for anything else. Even hosting a web server is not a good idea (As far as I'm concerned). Use WebDB if you like and host the database box seperately with just the database running as the main application.
Make sure you have a stable kernel. Make sure you have a secure system. Use ipchains to block out anything but local and remove all telnet and other daemons. Security is something a lot of people forget when making large databses.
Make sure you make daily, if not hourly backups (based on how sensitive your data is). RAID is a good way to keep your system running. Also if your database is web based, you might need to have 2 or 3 boxes set up identically and databse queries being distributed over all of them.
With Oracle, read everthing, they have a lot of tweaks listed on their pdf files and documents that come with the dist. Read all of them. Some tweaks are to the kernel. So pick a good stable kernel and stick to it. Forget about monthly kernel upgrades. I recommend yearly or every 6 months kernel upgrades. Software wise, if your doing Oracle 8i, make sure it's a glibc2.1 system (RH6 and debian potoato (we use potato, even though it's unstable, it lets us tweak the system and gives us the most familier interace ).
On mysql, it might help to read some of the online tweaks, also it might be a good idea to compile the server yourself, instead of using the one that came with your dist. Or compile it and copy it over what came with your distribution. Dont use msql unless there is no other way to do it.
And good luck.
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Hello Folks,
I think it's time for us to accelerate our anti-unisys propagenda. Start by vocing out our concers, making web sites (like the burngifs web site), telling people away from UNISYS products, in favor of other, better products. Calling your local rep and educating them about software patents and the horror that comes from it (give Unysis as an example). Put a UNY$I$ Sucks logo on your bumper. On all your sites put a link to a prominant non-gif site (like gnu.org) and copy gnu.org's anti-gif policy statement and use it. Use PNG. Write nice and clean letters to the executive branch at UNISYS and demand (nicely) that they back down, reason with them, (like you do with kids), explain to them what a Network is, then what an Internet is, then what GIF represents. Show them how foolish they are. Show them how they are putting the community against them, which would, in the end bring about their downfall. Tell them about other companies that had ventured into this arena and had god eaten alive by the nerds.
Power to the nerds!
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Most true, Jedi master. I see that you know the force well and it flows as fluid as water. But the fragmentation does have some valid points. Maybe not to the Linux kernel itself. But the OS in generl, those that are forwared by Debain, Redhat, SuSE, Caldera or anyone else.. File system standards are fine, but I dont really feel this is enough. Recently my company went through a whole regoranization (I was heading it). We moved from RedHat based servers to Debian based servers (some are even running the potato now). I was techinically more at ease with Debian, but, my fellow works, those that learned redhat from a book spent many a day bikering at how ugly Debian was (When in fact it was the other way), and how lost they were when they wanted to do something in Debian vs how they did it in Redhat. For normal users such OS changes are fine, but for adminstrators it means a completely different thing. I had to give quite a few seminars to my fellow works and bosses to make them get comfortable with Debian. Why is this happenning? Arnt they all supposed to follow some standard? even if the packgaging systems are different? This is a sad case and getting worse day by day. libc is another problem, some distrubtions just refuse to go up to glibc2 when others are already in glibc2.1, and some companies just put their newest products out in glibc2.1 (Eg: Oracle), when most ppl are running standard OSes that contain nothing but glibc2 at best. Our Oracle upgrade needed a potato upgrade in debian. This came with it's own problems since potato was an unstable OS. I suspect this kind of frangmentation would keep going on. Why cant we have some meetings and iron out the differneces between where files are stories (file system hiraachey standards) and othes. Till that day, I have to waste more time educating ppl and learning different OSes just to install a linux kernel on a box. good day.
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I just tried to access it, out of curiousity and it seems like it wouldnt let me get through. Not even a ping or traceroute...
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Let me guess, another Be FUDer. Come on, I will only accept Be, if it's users become more civil.
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I wonder who would be responsible when some big civil rights group decides to sue slashdot for encoraging racists.
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Bob seems to have done a good job at fragmenting the various movements inside our commnity, this is sad indeed. If this continues, I guess his predicitions have a higher chance of becomming true.
BTW, One of his other prediction was the collapse of the internet in 96, when this didnt come true, he had to eat his column in front of 1000 ppl.
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And he had to eat his columumn in front of 1000 people Pics of this event. For some odd reason, the pics have been restricted :) I wonder why. Lets make a suggestion.. Lets get bob to eat a Linux Manual.
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I'm not too sure, but could someone clue me as to what kind of SMP support (if any, this chip would have?). As it is, I dont really see myself buying a single processor based system anytime in the future.
The prices for 500mhz seems to be reasonable and if they are good enough, and does SMP, hell, i'd even dump my PII's and get some of these babies.
On SMP, saw the cool abit dual celeron board? very nice (now i wonder if that would compete with a single K7).
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What can I say, BeOS is here to stay and it's heavly typecast (whatever others might say -- more so than any other OS). I've read Mr. Hackers article and came to the conclusion that he seems a bit frustrated about the media focus on Linux and not his OS. And every now and then he makes a stab at Linux and it's users. Well, Mr. Hackers, that's not the way to win friends. Most Linux users like BeOS, hell they'd even fish out enough money to buy that OS over any other OS. Typically pitching the BeOS group against Linux group would not result in somethin beautiful. (Not right now, Be (correct me if i'm mistaken), is not mature enough to take on all the other OSes ) just as Linux is not. Adovcating your OS is something most of us do, but when your in the same rut as others around you (linux users), please do not alienate them and try to put them against us senario into action. If you succeed in doing that, Mr. Hacker, you'd see a very evil MickeySoft laughing as two young OSes battle out and die young.....
Let it live togheter! Long live Linux, *BSD, Hurd, BeOS (see that's the only commerical OS I see worth of including in my lineup, Mr. Hacker, please dont change my mind with your negativity and subtile comments).
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I'm willing to help the permedia 3d port effort if simon from suse puts out a new tar ball. Two more months and if no this tar ball is not out, we'll start on our own porting.
:)
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Dear /. ers, I wrote the following note to Metrowerks regarding CodeWarrior for Redhat Linux.
Hope more of you write to them and get them to get over this stupid notion that Redhat is Linux.
@#!@#!@#!@#!@#!@#!@#!@#!@#!@#!@@#^@@^
Hello,
I'm a GNU/Linux Debian user and we recently replaced all our RedHat based servers with debian. I'm real worried about the fact that you wish to market your product (one that I respect a lot), only for a certain Linux Distribution. Most of us do not use Redhat, redhat is usually used by people starting out with Linux, I dont think your product would be used by this so called "linux newbies", I would appericate it if you could rename the product for Linux. Instead of RedHat Linux. Linux is not owned by Redhat, redhat is a distribution, just like Caldera, Debian GNU/Linux, SUSE, Stampede GNU/Linux and a number of others. If the requrements are a glibc 2.1 based system, say so instead of stating that this is just for RedHat. My Debian system was a glibc2.1 based system a lot time before redhat came out with RH6.0.
Also, it would alinate more than 70% of the Linux community if you just shipped this product as RPMs. My suggestion is to market them similar to how Netscape markets it's products for Linux. Put them out in tar balls, let the User install it. Put various compiled versions of your software on your commerical CD. and so on..
To sum up, Redhat is not Linux. Your release of CodeWarrior for Linux is not appericated in the Linux community with your current stipulation, this would lead to a massive anti-metrowerks/codewarrior champagn (which has already started, check major linux online magazines and news sites, Like LinuxToday, Linux.com and Slashdot), Our community is as devoted and as powerful the Mac Community, and if we see someone threatning the fabrics of what holds our community, we would strike back. Possibly boycotting all your products.
Thank you.
M. Ishan
Hacker.
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Imagine putting a match to that!
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