How the fuck do you get an insightful for basically confirming, against your own argument, that we have been steadily warming since the last ice age ? 10,000 years ago you could walk from the UK to continental Europe. Has sea level not risen ? Even the ice cores show that the climate has been warming since about 20,000 years ago. Can you see a pattern in those graphs ? Can you ? Or does your need to bash the so called "deniers" override your visual cortex to the extent that all you can see is red ?
To me, those graphs show that over a period of time, we can expect the climate to experience rapid warming, followed by a longer period of cooling, where it gets very very cold, followed again by a rapid warming period. At what stage of that cycle are we currently living in ? The peak of the warming stage. Sure we may have higher CO2 than at similar points in past stages but not outside the realms of statistical possibility. There have been times where the peak was much lower than the average maximum, and now the peak is much higher than the average maximum. None of that precludes the fact that the long term cycle exists and going by past evidence will peak and turn down towards ice age. And if you think humans have the capability to prevent a cycle that runs over the order of 120,000 years from happening, just to suit our interests, then you are the one in denial - denial of just how insignificant we really are.
Basically, if we aren't in a retreat from the last ice age, we are in a decline towards the next ice age. As we seem to be still climbing in both CO2 and temperature, I would go for the former - we are in the last stages of ice age retreat, will soon peak and start dropping towards the worst fucking nightmare, making the global warming scare seem like a sunny day at the beach. Fortunately, CO2 tends to lag temperature meaning that the extra CO2 we have produced will keep us warmer than we would have expected to be when the average temperature drops 3 or 4 degrees. Look at the graphs, specifically the Temp/CO2 graph. What happened about 120,000 years ago ? Does that part of the graph look ANYTHING like the current situation ? I say it does, and anybody with working eyes would say the same. But you seem content to blame the warming trend on humans, all evidence to the contrary. What goes up MUST come down. The quicker it goes up, the more rapid the fall when it comes. I would suggest it's a bit too late to be worrying about what we released into the atmosphere, it's done its damage already. If you're suggesting that we can transform the future graph into a straight line at roughly the place where we want it to be, I suggest you see a psychiatrist.
Maybe, just maybe, we could prevent temps from rising too rapidly, but that does not negate the overall trend, where the average is 6 degrees less, and the maximum is roughly 15 degrees less than today. Surely the most important long term aim is to prevent cooling not warming ? The only issue I have with higher CO2 levels is that we can't breathe it, but to protect ourselves there, maybe we shouldn't cut down all the trees, pollute the oceans and burn things just to make money.
Now you tell me, where is that actual recorded data wrong ? It wasn't the result of a flawed model, it hasn't been tweaked to suit my agenda, it has been measured by climate scientists from existing sources. But you still claim we are not "coming out of an ice age" ? It seems to me YOU are the denier, YOU are putting forward red herrings, in fact the red herring argument is itself a red herring, because it draws attention away from the facts. As do all the mouth frothing AGW religious types. They claim the data shows the end of the world is nigh but refuse to accept what the data is showing them. Instead they focus on such a short timescale that it can't be measured on the same scale as the evidenc
It strikes me that any Linux user is the least likely to delete an install file after running it. So what's the problem ? Certainly not availability of the app to the users quoted as being vulnerable, those with existing credit. It may show a lack of desire to allow linux users in the future, but until that comes about, it's all hot air.
Rubbish. No really. I'm with Be and their modems while not the best are very accessible. The devices are not pre-programmed, at least not to the extent of having user name and passwords built in. They know who you are by the simple expedient of knowing what your land line number is (just like BT). And none of the configuration details are secret, in fact you can find them on their user community site or by chatting to an online rep.
They distribute firmware updates, when they are needed, and offer command line access to modify settings. You only have to use their smtp servers if you have a dynamic ip, and if you get the unlimited or pro service, you get a free static ip with no port blocking whatsoever. They are happy to tell you how to configure your machine to act as a server, and there are built in port forwarding defaults for roughly 30 services.
I suggest you get somebody else to set up your grans modem, but it's possible she's already worked it out herself.
Is the Us govt. going to give him a green card and allow him to work in the US while he awaits trial ? Or is he going to be stuck in jail, with a crappy public defender.
And your crack about Menendez is so crass as to confirm your asshole restricted mental processes. The US police have never shot an innocent man I suppose ?
Don't you ever dare remove the file name from a url just see were you end up ? If you ever try pinging random IP addresses to see if there's anybody there, that's apparently a crime. Walking straight into supposedly secure machines and networks by simply knocking on the door. Meeting other hackers inside the networks, chatting to workers on those secure machines. He did no damage, other than the damage to the US militarys reputation. Facing life in prison is ridiculous, whatever the state of his health. This guy didn't hack anything, the doors were open and he walked right in. The US govt. should be *grateful* he exposed the almost laughable security before someone with more malicious intent got in.
I didn't see the part where the accuracy mentioned was that generated by the computation, only the computer. If your liquid helium boils off, or you have a short, or , or,or. None of those are relevant to the mathematical accuracy, only the reliability of a concept machine. So they're not Sony yet - big deal.
You can keep your fucking support checks, and your movies, and your burger "restaurants" and your wars and your attitude. We don't want them, we didn't ask for them. I think you'll find in most cases you insisted despite our protestations. If you do business in another country, you obey that countrys laws. Exactly like traveling in person. Remember the American git who got lashed for dropping chewing gum in Singapore ? I bet you defended him too.
Likening Michelle Obama to a monkey is insulting her because she is black, and is therefore racist.
Only if you believe that black people *are* like monkeys. Do you believe that ? Are you a racist ? When Darwin published his seminal work, he was caricatured in the press as a monkey. Was that racist or because he was white it can't have been ? It's an insult, sure, but dragging race specificity into it is only prolonging racism. Complain about the insult all you like, but don't pretend it's more than that unless you buy into the idea that we are substantially different, which makes you a racist.
You all complain when somebody tries to stick to an outmoded definition of a word, often using the excuse "language changes". If that's the case, then ignoring the word "racism" and defining it accurately as insulting behaviour, will over time remove the colour/race aspect and reduce it to what it is - juvenile name calling.
Treating certain races as separate under law can only prolong racism. Treating everybody the same way can only reduce racism, because racism is just another term for xenophobia. Last I heard, we are all part of the human race. Allowing one group to play the race card stacks the deck and is unfair. To even things out, remove that card. It causes more problems than it solves.
That's why we spell it paedophile, and not fall into the lazy practice of spelling things the way they sound, which often results in conflicting definitions for similar words. And it's not even the same sounding word. Pedometer is pronounced ped-(rhymes with bed)-oh-meter. When you ride a bicycle, do you pedal or do you peedal ? And I think that pedes is latin, hence stampede, impede, millipede etc, whereas pod is greek, giving us arthropod, bipod, tripod, podiatrics. Paedo is greek for child, not feet, and is not confusing even if you switch ancient classical languages.
You are a fool. You are supposed to obey an order from a police officer, when that order is given in the course of the officer performing his duty. Refusal to follow that order is interfering with his ability to carry out his duty. Ever heard of resisting arrest ? You don't have to do anything, you just have to refuse to do what they tell you. It is still a positive act. Without time travel there can never be such a thing as a negative act. The consequences can be negative but the act never is. You can't say "no" without saying something - speech is a positive action.
The next time slashdot tells me to "slow down cowboy", will be the last time I ever post on this site. Go on, punks, make my day. Ok that's was it. Bye cunts.
I didn't get (electrocuted || dragged into machinery || mugged) once because I don't wear a wristwatch. If I'm out and about I usually carry a wallet and a phone. If I'm inside I'm usually in sight of a microwave oven, computer, wall clock etc. I have traveled the world without any form of personal time telling apparatus whatsoever, which included probably 15 flights I had to catch and numerous bus and train journeys. I didn't miss one appointment.
You're being a dickhead. Is it better to make something once that then produces no more emissions while in use, or produce something that continues to emit while in use ? I realise this is the throwaway society, but really, I don't think cars are there yet. Your argument could be applied to any machine or structure since forever, no matter how "green" its intentions. It is impossible to make anything and emit nothing while doing so. So let's hear your true zero emission design, one that emits nothing while being manufactured.
Your equation only works if everybody starts from the same place. If we all started with 0 then earned $1000 then equal taxes are fair. If you start from one person having $1,000,000 and the other having $1000 then a $400 tax is 40% the latters income, and only 0.04% of the formers. How is that fair ? One suffers from the tax much more than the other, and fairness isn't measured in dollars, but in the effect on your life. Sure both groups can use the roads in theory, but the poorer group can't afford a car, and end up paying for a resource they can't use. But on paper the tax looks fair, so that's ok then.
Only in America where the government is supposedly For the People, By the People, would someone prefer the government pay more attention to the richest minority. I can only assume it's because you someday hope to be one of those in the minority, allowing you to fuck everybody else. What a despicable outlook on life. The politics of the drowning man climbing on someone elses shoulders to save themselves.
You don't know what tantalum is do you ? And you definitely don't know much about tungsten. What makes you think your comment is of any use at all ?
Tantalum - Tantalum finds use in four areas: high-temperature applications, such as aircraft engines; electrical devices, such as capacitors; surgical implants and handling corrosive chemicals. It is rarely used as an alloying agent because it tends to make metals brittle. Tungsten - There are several minerals of tungsten, the most important are scheelite and wolframite. The main mining area is China, which today accounts for more than two-thirds of the world's supply. Other places with active tungsten mines are Russia, Austria, Bolivia, Peru and Portugal.
So your rant about Africa taking over the manufacturing world looks a bit stupid.
Hitler had a similar idea. How about you do what you do, and let other nations do what they do. Mind your own damn business. You can't even live up to your ludicrous dreams at home let alone have the moral authority to impose your ideas on others. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED !
You loudly proclaim the right of others to do and think as they wish, but only as long as they coincide with your own narrow views. Can you not see the hypocrisy ?
The litany of hypocritical acts committed by the USA grows ever longer.
We have 1000s of nukes, but you can't develop them
Global War on Terror - except you've forgotten the Taliban, Contra, IRA, et al
OMG the planet's going to be under water - but we reserve the right to buy the biggest most energy inefficient TVs and cars money can buy
People should not be oppressed by the govt. - but the DHS, TSA, CIA, NSA, FBI can monitor, arrest and hold without charge, censor, and "disappear" at will.
Torture is illegal - except when it suits us.
Aggressive acts by foreign powers are not to be tolerated - but we can get involved in Vietnam, Korea, Africa, Iraq
You should have the right to use a piece of equipment you own in any way you choose - DMCA
You stand for Free Trade and capitalism - except when it doesn't suit you, and conflicts with your business ideals
ETC.
This photo sums up my opinion of Americas influence in the world. That's right, you're a bunch of overbearing clowns. You're so xenophobic that the only way you can deal with a different culture is to mold it into a slightly poorer version of your own, so that you can pretend you're better off than them. Where of course "better off" is a purely financial metric. As a culture you are best defined by the words greed, image and ignorance.
When you have the perfect society, please feel free to comment again.
You really are so full of shit you actually think you smell good.
My code is now being used by clients such as Micrsoft, BT and the London Stock Exchange...
did they hire you by name after a long and exhaustive search throughout the world, or did a firm you worked for put you on a team that did the work ? Given that the LSE had a massive crash, are we to assume your code wasn't involved ?
Do you think you could beat MS at software production ? Why do you think the other poster thinks that ? Conflating an organisations abilities with an individuals is playground shite. I think Cadillac make crappy cars, do I need to make better cars in order to have an opinion on the subject ? Prick.
I find myself wishing to turn my computer off but have to leave it on for days to seed back to 1:1 ratio.
You realise you can turn it off, then continue the seeding stage later ? I seed a linux distro and it's not running all the time, even thought the computer is. I think my ratio is 5:1 over 6 months.
The whole story, and all the research, will come out in due time.
And that's where you're wrong. This will never end, much like the war on terror, because it is based on a lie. If they ever "finished" the project, then they prove themselves to be liars because climate change is an ongoing event. So they will never finish, but to continue they must have public funds and govt support. So we will never see the data released in a relevant and usable format, and a lot of effort put into the political scare machine.
This whole thing has been about making the facts fit the theory, because any theory that simply explains it, will also have to conclude that there is nothing we can do about it. Not much grant money in the unobtainable, so it has to be AGW in order to gain any funding. Even if all human generated CO2 emissions (apart from respiration) were to cease tomorrow, global warming would continue. Even if we had never emitted any CO2 ever, global warming would have continued. And global cooling and then global warming again. Climate change is a natural and reoccurring event, as proved by those very same ice cores that are being used to prove we did it.
The sceptics are not trying to prove we didn't do it, we just want open access to the data the AGW models are based on, not censored versions that only allow one conclusion to be reached. Is that asking too much for such a presumably catastrophic issue ? Or is it that we can't be trusted to reach the "correct" result ?
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How the fuck do you get an insightful for basically confirming, against your own argument, that we have been steadily warming since the last ice age ? 10,000 years ago you could walk from the UK to continental Europe. Has sea level not risen ? Even the ice cores show that the climate has been warming since about 20,000 years ago. Can you see a pattern in those graphs ? Can you ? Or does your need to bash the so called "deniers" override your visual cortex to the extent that all you can see is red ?
To me, those graphs show that over a period of time, we can expect the climate to experience rapid warming, followed by a longer period of cooling, where it gets very very cold, followed again by a rapid warming period. At what stage of that cycle are we currently living in ? The peak of the warming stage. Sure we may have higher CO2 than at similar points in past stages but not outside the realms of statistical possibility. There have been times where the peak was much lower than the average maximum, and now the peak is much higher than the average maximum. None of that precludes the fact that the long term cycle exists and going by past evidence will peak and turn down towards ice age. And if you think humans have the capability to prevent a cycle that runs over the order of 120,000 years from happening, just to suit our interests, then you are the one in denial - denial of just how insignificant we really are.
Basically, if we aren't in a retreat from the last ice age, we are in a decline towards the next ice age. As we seem to be still climbing in both CO2 and temperature, I would go for the former - we are in the last stages of ice age retreat, will soon peak and start dropping towards the worst fucking nightmare, making the global warming scare seem like a sunny day at the beach. Fortunately, CO2 tends to lag temperature meaning that the extra CO2 we have produced will keep us warmer than we would have expected to be when the average temperature drops 3 or 4 degrees. Look at the graphs, specifically the Temp/CO2 graph. What happened about 120,000 years ago ? Does that part of the graph look ANYTHING like the current situation ? I say it does, and anybody with working eyes would say the same. But you seem content to blame the warming trend on humans, all evidence to the contrary. What goes up MUST come down. The quicker it goes up, the more rapid the fall when it comes. I would suggest it's a bit too late to be worrying about what we released into the atmosphere, it's done its damage already. If you're suggesting that we can transform the future graph into a straight line at roughly the place where we want it to be, I suggest you see a psychiatrist.
Maybe, just maybe, we could prevent temps from rising too rapidly, but that does not negate the overall trend, where the average is 6 degrees less, and the maximum is roughly 15 degrees less than today. Surely the most important long term aim is to prevent cooling not warming ? The only issue I have with higher CO2 levels is that we can't breathe it, but to protect ourselves there, maybe we shouldn't cut down all the trees, pollute the oceans and burn things just to make money.
Now you tell me, where is that actual recorded data wrong ? It wasn't the result of a flawed model, it hasn't been tweaked to suit my agenda, it has been measured by climate scientists from existing sources. But you still claim we are not "coming out of an ice age" ? It seems to me YOU are the denier, YOU are putting forward red herrings, in fact the red herring argument is itself a red herring, because it draws attention away from the facts. As do all the mouth frothing AGW religious types. They claim the data shows the end of the world is nigh but refuse to accept what the data is showing them. Instead they focus on such a short timescale that it can't be measured on the same scale as the evidenc
Liar.
It strikes me that any Linux user is the least likely to delete an install file after running it. So what's the problem ? Certainly not availability of the app to the users quoted as being vulnerable, those with existing credit. It may show a lack of desire to allow linux users in the future, but until that comes about, it's all hot air.
Rubbish. No really.
I'm with Be and their modems while not the best are very accessible. The devices are not pre-programmed, at least not to the extent of having user name and passwords built in. They know who you are by the simple expedient of knowing what your land line number is (just like BT). And none of the configuration details are secret, in fact you can find them on their user community site or by chatting to an online rep.
They distribute firmware updates, when they are needed, and offer command line access to modify settings. You only have to use their smtp servers if you have a dynamic ip, and if you get the unlimited or pro service, you get a free static ip with no port blocking whatsoever. They are happy to tell you how to configure your machine to act as a server, and there are built in port forwarding defaults for roughly 30 services.
I suggest you get somebody else to set up your grans modem, but it's possible she's already worked it out herself.
https://www.bethere.co.uk/web/beportal/homepage
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http://blog.bethere.co.uk/2009/11/three-strikes-and-impact-on-be-and-our.html
Utter shite.
Is the Us govt. going to give him a green card and allow him to work in the US while he awaits trial ? Or is he going to be stuck in jail, with a crappy public defender.
And your crack about Menendez is so crass as to confirm your asshole restricted mental processes. The US police have never shot an innocent man I suppose ?
Don't you ever dare remove the file name from a url just see were you end up ? If you ever try pinging random IP addresses to see if there's anybody there, that's apparently a crime. Walking straight into supposedly secure machines and networks by simply knocking on the door. Meeting other hackers inside the networks, chatting to workers on those secure machines. He did no damage, other than the damage to the US militarys reputation. Facing life in prison is ridiculous, whatever the state of his health. This guy didn't hack anything, the doors were open and he walked right in. The US govt. should be *grateful* he exposed the almost laughable security before someone with more malicious intent got in.
I didn't see the part where the accuracy mentioned was that generated by the computation, only the computer. If your liquid helium boils off, or you have a short, or , or ,or. None of those are relevant to the mathematical accuracy, only the reliability of a concept machine. So they're not Sony yet - big deal.
You can keep your fucking support checks, and your movies, and your burger "restaurants" and your wars and your attitude. We don't want them, we didn't ask for them. I think you'll find in most cases you insisted despite our protestations. If you do business in another country, you obey that countrys laws. Exactly like traveling in person. Remember the American git who got lashed for dropping chewing gum in Singapore ? I bet you defended him too.
As for 3 strike laws, you fucking invented that !
Now piss off, you insignificant little fuck.
Only if you believe that black people *are* like monkeys. Do you believe that ? Are you a racist ? When Darwin published his seminal work, he was caricatured in the press as a monkey. Was that racist or because he was white it can't have been ? It's an insult, sure, but dragging race specificity into it is only prolonging racism. Complain about the insult all you like, but don't pretend it's more than that unless you buy into the idea that we are substantially different, which makes you a racist.
You all complain when somebody tries to stick to an outmoded definition of a word, often using the excuse "language changes". If that's the case, then ignoring the word "racism" and defining it accurately as insulting behaviour, will over time remove the colour/race aspect and reduce it to what it is - juvenile name calling.
Treating certain races as separate under law can only prolong racism. Treating everybody the same way can only reduce racism, because racism is just another term for xenophobia. Last I heard, we are all part of the human race. Allowing one group to play the race card stacks the deck and is unfair. To even things out, remove that card. It causes more problems than it solves.
That's why we spell it paedophile, and not fall into the lazy practice of spelling things the way they sound, which often results in conflicting definitions for similar words. And it's not even the same sounding word. Pedometer is pronounced ped-(rhymes with bed)-oh-meter. When you ride a bicycle, do you pedal or do you peedal ? And I think that pedes is latin, hence stampede, impede, millipede etc, whereas pod is greek, giving us arthropod, bipod, tripod, podiatrics. Paedo is greek for child, not feet, and is not confusing even if you switch ancient classical languages.
Yeah right !
I guess being a mechanic doesn't expose you to the aftermath of crashes.
Is that like /dev/null ?
You are a fool. You are supposed to obey an order from a police officer, when that order is given in the course of the officer performing his duty. Refusal to follow that order is interfering with his ability to carry out his duty. Ever heard of resisting arrest ? You don't have to do anything, you just have to refuse to do what they tell you. It is still a positive act. Without time travel there can never be such a thing as a negative act. The consequences can be negative but the act never is. You can't say "no" without saying something - speech is a positive action.
The next time slashdot tells me to "slow down cowboy", will be the last time I ever post on this site. Go on, punks, make my day. Ok that's was it. Bye cunts.
managers.
How can it be an anesthetic, it's a noble gas - it doesn't react with anything, so no reaction no anesthesia.
I don't use Bung, and I never read any of Murdochs tripe. Yawn.
I didn't get (electrocuted || dragged into machinery || mugged) once because I don't wear a wristwatch. If I'm out and about I usually carry a wallet and a phone. If I'm inside I'm usually in sight of a microwave oven, computer, wall clock etc. I have traveled the world without any form of personal time telling apparatus whatsoever, which included probably 15 flights I had to catch and numerous bus and train journeys. I didn't miss one appointment.
You're being a dickhead. Is it better to make something once that then produces no more emissions while in use, or produce something that continues to emit while in use ? I realise this is the throwaway society, but really, I don't think cars are there yet. Your argument could be applied to any machine or structure since forever, no matter how "green" its intentions. It is impossible to make anything and emit nothing while doing so. So let's hear your true zero emission design, one that emits nothing while being manufactured.
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We're waiting
Idiot.
Your equation only works if everybody starts from the same place. If we all started with 0 then earned $1000 then equal taxes are fair. If you start from one person having $1,000,000 and the other having $1000 then a $400 tax is 40% the latters income, and only 0.04% of the formers. How is that fair ? One suffers from the tax much more than the other, and fairness isn't measured in dollars, but in the effect on your life. Sure both groups can use the roads in theory, but the poorer group can't afford a car, and end up paying for a resource they can't use. But on paper the tax looks fair, so that's ok then.
Only in America where the government is supposedly For the People, By the People, would someone prefer the government pay more attention to the richest minority. I can only assume it's because you someday hope to be one of those in the minority, allowing you to fuck everybody else. What a despicable outlook on life. The politics of the drowning man climbing on someone elses shoulders to save themselves.
You don't know what tantalum is do you ? And you definitely don't know much about tungsten. What makes you think your comment is of any use at all ?
Tantalum - Tantalum finds use in four areas: high-temperature applications, such as aircraft engines; electrical devices, such as capacitors; surgical implants and handling corrosive chemicals. It is rarely used as an alloying agent because it tends to make metals brittle.
Tungsten - There are several minerals of tungsten, the most important are scheelite and wolframite. The main mining area is China, which today accounts for more than two-thirds of the world's supply. Other places with active tungsten mines are Russia, Austria, Bolivia, Peru and Portugal.
So your rant about Africa taking over the manufacturing world looks a bit stupid.
You loudly proclaim the right of others to do and think as they wish, but only as long as they coincide with your own narrow views. Can you not see the hypocrisy ?
The litany of hypocritical acts committed by the USA grows ever longer.
This photo sums up my opinion of Americas influence in the world. That's right, you're a bunch of overbearing clowns. You're so xenophobic that the only way you can deal with a different culture is to mold it into a slightly poorer version of your own, so that you can pretend you're better off than them. Where of course "better off" is a purely financial metric. As a culture you are best defined by the words greed, image and ignorance.
When you have the perfect society, please feel free to comment again.
did they hire you by name after a long and exhaustive search throughout the world, or did a firm you worked for put you on a team that did the work ? Given that the LSE had a massive crash, are we to assume your code wasn't involved ?
Do you think you could beat MS at software production ? Why do you think the other poster thinks that ? Conflating an organisations abilities with an individuals is playground shite. I think Cadillac make crappy cars, do I need to make better cars in order to have an opinion on the subject ?
Prick.
You realise you can turn it off, then continue the seeding stage later ? I seed a linux distro and it's not running all the time, even thought the computer is. I think my ratio is 5:1 over 6 months.
And that's where you're wrong. This will never end, much like the war on terror, because it is based on a lie. If they ever "finished" the project, then they prove themselves to be liars because climate change is an ongoing event. So they will never finish, but to continue they must have public funds and govt support. So we will never see the data released in a relevant and usable format, and a lot of effort put into the political scare machine.
This whole thing has been about making the facts fit the theory, because any theory that simply explains it, will also have to conclude that there is nothing we can do about it. Not much grant money in the unobtainable, so it has to be AGW in order to gain any funding. Even if all human generated CO2 emissions (apart from respiration) were to cease tomorrow, global warming would continue. Even if we had never emitted any CO2 ever, global warming would have continued. And global cooling and then global warming again. Climate change is a natural and reoccurring event, as proved by those very same ice cores that are being used to prove we did it.
The sceptics are not trying to prove we didn't do it, we just want open access to the data the AGW models are based on, not censored versions that only allow one conclusion to be reached. Is that asking too much for such a presumably catastrophic issue ? Or is it that we can't be trusted to reach the "correct" result ?
Let the facts speak for themselves.