But nobody except Linux developers will be using the Mono APIs. So, if we assume that you're correct, and 'embrace and extend' is really Miguel's goal, how is the result any different than if Ximian just used Python's GTK bindings (or whatever)?
Because there probably are a lot more C# developers compared to Python developers. But you say "Java then?" and I'd say you'd have made a better point but C# and the.Net framework (MS's version anyway) has the backing of MS. So if I'll have a much easier time as a windows.NET developer switching to Mono's stack for tiny stuff like using Gtk# to replace Winforms (if I didn't want to use the Wine libs) than I would switching to Java or anything else.
It's funny, the Russians say it'll take $6.5 billion, privately funded, officials say it's impossible on such a budget. The Bush administration says it'll take $12 billion over five years, without setting a definitive timeline for a mission. "Experts" say it'll take upwards of a TRILLION $ and suspect it to happen, at the soonest, a decade. Everyone is just speculating, estimating and without any real plan or budget. Sounds simplistic but what happens if we just split the bill?
maybe they should setup a system that releases deer when it detects an oncomming speeding car.
Unfortunately, those PETA assholes will probably be all "You can't just catapult an innocent, defenseless doe in front of speeding cars on the interstate..blah blah". Those pussies.
What a fitting reactionary comment. The law of having to produce ID has been on the books for awhile. Even though I also think it's kind of a BS law, why should I not be able to give my ID to an officer, should it really be for an investigation, such as questioning witnesses at a crime scene.
I find it very amusing to see over reaction such as yours: always starting with a grim prediction of impending facism because you have to have a Blockbuster Video card to rent a game. "Wear the yellow star", I don't know whether to laugh at such an absurd comparision or to be offended for trivializing real oppression.
Next time have something more that argumentative to start a thread. The slippery slope indeed.
They're going to lose licensing revenue so that what? 1% of 1% of all computer users can install a Java plugin?
Firstly, you're specfically (and purposefully) mentioning that a user being able to install a Java plugin for their browser as the only benifit of a less restrictive license just because I mentioned it as an example.
Second, I think the benefit would be the goodwill towards OSS, and therefore getting more business and individual developers on the bandwagon since they have nothing to fear aabout shady/proprietary licensing.
Third, if I can have my browser automatically have applets work, it'd be a more viable way to deliver ("richer") applications through the web, a very ubiquitous medium in it's own right for the very reason that you can have an "app" (ie website) to have potential clients being able to communicate with you with no special involvement from the client. How popular would Amazon be if you had to install a separate application to search and buy books from them.
Big difference.
1. MS wasn't on the ropes.
2. IE doesn't generate revenue for MS directly.
Hairs you split. The point is: IE is "ubiquitous" because it's given away (regardless of whether it's open or not).
Java has a huge, (especially in the enterprise) following, and can become even larger if certain restrictions are lessened. It just needs a less restrictive license so that, as pointed out the article, Linux distros can include a Java Plugin for their browsers (I wasn't even aware of this before).
I have to agree; adding that, IMHO, I think the Inet shouldn't be owned, censored (by non end-users) or regulated, but the point is that's what I think. But this won't change anything.
You're not serious, right? Just because they're forcing a different option doesn't mean that they aren't still forcing the choice.
I'm serious exactly because they're not "enforcing a different option", they're enforcing nothing -- they're taking stuff out, not replacing it with something else.
Since WMP, for example, isn't replace with WMP-lite.
Im sure it still has IE tho, since they wont let you use windowsupdate with Firebird.
:) true, i tried it too. But I think the firebird would have to support embedded COM objects as well because the windows update site uses a COM control.
It's funny, people complain about how MS forces you to install everything (IE, Outlook, etc) and call in "anti-competitive" and when they offer it somewhere with these things stripped out it's called "crippled". There's no winning the article poster or OP, it seems.
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But nobody except Linux developers will be using the Mono APIs. So, if we assume that you're correct, and 'embrace and extend' is really Miguel's goal, how is the result any different than if Ximian just used Python's GTK bindings (or whatever)?
.Net framework (MS's version anyway) has the backing of MS. So if I'll have a much easier time as a windows .NET developer switching to Mono's stack for tiny stuff like using Gtk# to replace Winforms (if I didn't want to use the Wine libs) than I would switching to Java or anything else.
Because there probably are a lot more C# developers compared to Python developers. But you say "Java then?" and I'd say you'd have made a better point but C# and the
It's funny, the Russians say it'll take $6.5 billion, privately funded, officials say it's impossible on such a budget. The Bush administration says it'll take $12 billion over five years, without setting a definitive timeline for a mission. "Experts" say it'll take upwards of a TRILLION $ and suspect it to happen, at the soonest, a decade. Everyone is just speculating, estimating and without any real plan or budget.
Sounds simplistic but what happens if we just split the bill?
maybe they should setup a system that releases deer when it detects an oncomming speeding car.
Unfortunately, those PETA assholes will probably be all "You can't just catapult an innocent, defenseless doe in front of speeding cars on the interstate..blah blah". Those pussies.
"... for use by government IT officials and others looking to incorporate Open Source solutions into their enterprise."
"Listing in the Reference Book is free, and the book will be distributed at no charge to registered attendees of the Conference."
I guess you have to attend.
Agreed, but where did I write/imply such a thing?
What a fitting reactionary comment. The law of having to produce ID has been on the books for awhile. Even though I also think it's kind of a BS law, why should I not be able to give my ID to an officer, should it really be for an investigation, such as questioning witnesses at a crime scene.
I find it very amusing to see over reaction such as yours: always starting with a grim prediction of impending facism because you have to have a Blockbuster Video card to rent a game. "Wear the yellow star", I don't know whether to laugh at such an absurd comparision or to be offended for trivializing real oppression.
Next time have something more that argumentative to start a thread. The slippery slope indeed.
Skills get stale when you take a long leave. Or some people may see it as flaky.
The best thing to do would to simply explain to them that the man's trying to hold you down. Also, that you'll program for food.
They're going to lose licensing revenue so that what? 1% of 1% of all computer users can install a Java plugin?
Firstly, you're specfically (and purposefully) mentioning that a user being able to install a Java plugin for their browser as the only benifit of a less restrictive license just because I mentioned it as an example.
Second, I think the benefit would be the goodwill towards OSS, and therefore getting more business and individual developers on the bandwagon since they have nothing to fear aabout shady/proprietary licensing.
Third, if I can have my browser automatically have applets work, it'd be a more viable way to deliver ("richer") applications through the web, a very ubiquitous medium in it's own right for the very reason that you can have an "app" (ie website) to have potential clients being able to communicate with you with no special involvement from the client. How popular would Amazon be if you had to install a separate application to search and buy books from them.
Big difference.
1. MS wasn't on the ropes.
2. IE doesn't generate revenue for MS directly.
Hairs you split. The point is: IE is "ubiquitous" because it's given away (regardless of whether it's open or not).
Java has a huge, (especially in the enterprise) following, and can become even larger if certain restrictions are lessened. It just needs a less restrictive license so that, as pointed out the article, Linux distros can include a Java Plugin for their browsers (I wasn't even aware of this before).
Yeah, but you'd need to run some virtualization sofware like VMware to not have to reboot your actual machine.
I have to agree; adding that, IMHO, I think the Inet shouldn't be owned, censored (by non end-users) or regulated, but the point is that's what I think. But this won't change anything.
You're not serious, right? Just because they're forcing a different option doesn't mean that they aren't still forcing the choice.
I'm serious exactly because they're not "enforcing a different option", they're enforcing nothing -- they're taking stuff out, not replacing it with something else.
Since WMP, for example, isn't replace with WMP-lite.
Im sure it still has IE tho, since they wont let you use windowsupdate with Firebird.
:) true, i tried it too. But I think the firebird would have to support embedded COM objects as well because the windows update site uses a COM control.
It's funny, people complain about how MS forces you to install everything (IE, Outlook, etc) and call in "anti-competitive" and when they offer it somewhere with these things stripped out it's called "crippled". There's no winning the article poster or OP, it seems.