Well, as you seem to imply that you have better intelligence on this matter could you enlighten the world as to the 'truth'? What is your version of events?
"The catch being that since it's an open forum...."
Groklaw an open forum......Puhleese!
I saw her delete an account the other day for something she suspected someone might do in the future. (re: Maat)
(I would provide a link to her comment about it, but she has forbidden Groklaw being used in such a way.)
"Well, IANALE, but I'm guessing that the poster in question didn't have his or her name IN the post, and was relying entirely on the software (which isn't his/her writing) to attribute it for them."
The hair splitting, such as this statement represents, would be laughable if we read it coming from SCOG, coming from the Groklaw side it is disgusting.
People did not expect to be treated unfairly from someone who preached to the world how wonderful and pure their motives and ethics were. She was taken at her word.
"Did they prove SCO was wrong/right or change the perception of the case in anyway?"
Yes they did. Without the facts, knowledge and insight provided by the posters who have been deleted then Groklaw would be a far less influential site today.
Mind you, she has still got the benefit of having the comments. It is just the posters who have suffered, by having their names removed from their comments. When the history of this part of the Linux story is recounted in later years who do you think will be remembered? The people who did the work in disproving SCOG's case, or those who merely chronicled their efforts.
I understand that posters like yourself do not know what has gone on. The mass of posters on GL shout down anything that they consider disrespectful of PJ, and the alternative viewpoint gets discounted.
Well that is an open way to carry on.
If she was honest about it and said that it just did not suit her agenda to have intelligent, and active people posting to her site then I would have no problem with it. However her continued attempts to claim the moral high ground, and enflame her captive audience is a mockery of what she claimed the site stood for.
Her actions with regard to other people's copyrights if not illegal (she claims it is OK to take someones name off of their posts and substitute "Anonymous"), is certainly, in my view, unethical.
"I have no problem with that but the eyes of many catches a lot which I happen to enjoy at Groklaw."
It is not the eyes of the posters on Groklaw that I have a problem with. I am a long time lurker*, but since Pam started deleting the accounts of people she could no longer put up with, it seems that she has only 'yes' men left. There is very little useful input from named posters. Most of the enlightened stuff comes from "Anonymous". Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water!
* I lurk there as I have nothing useful to add to the discussions. Yes, I know that does not stop most posters there, but it does stop me.
You posted "If O'Gara wasn't I suspect she would have sued PJ by now but truth is the defense for libel/slander" .
It seemed to me that Pam backpedalled quite rapidly with regard to O'Gara. What was that all about? Link IANAL
But given PJ's policy of preventing others from using the information she gathers at Groklaw, what good would all the effort in transcribing the documents be worth?
To get the full benefit of using Mozilla etc they should be run under Linux. Although it is kind of the developers to allow the users of other crippled OS's to try their offerings it is rather counter productive. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Some of the media are saying that some MS apps. are vunerable to the 'Mozilla bug' as if somehow Mozilla causes the problem.
Mozilla should, to protect its reputation, cease allowing downloads of its apps for MS systems, and issue a press release explaining that because MS software does not meet their standards, that they will no longer support Windows versions.
"If you want me to obey American laws and American directives then give me american citizenship."
Actually there is no way that I could be persuaded to take US citizenship. Nor could I be forced into it.
It's generally accepted that politicians prefer lies (and liars), as it puts them at their ease to know they are around like minded people. Honesty, in any form, leads to angst, and is therefore avoided at all times.
Sun does seem to be on a hiding to nothing, however that should not distract developers from being wary of this sudden influx of hybrid source that the old cash for code companies seem to be trying to foist onto the FOSS community. With their various strange licences (if they are serious, why not use the GPL) their offerings are neither fish nor fowl. I would recommend caution.
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"No short people were harmed during the making of this video." And its goodbye from him.
Groklaw seems to cause some of its posters to launch virulent attacks against other web sites.
You sound like a BGE. Watch out, or Barbaric will be dashing to the damsels rescue;)
I was not thinking about the 'plausible' aspect, I was considering the 'dangerous' statement.
IMO there is nothing more dangerous than a bigot.
Copyright © 2005 WC Harpic. All fights deserved.
"The most dangerous thing about Jeff Causey is that he sounds plausible."
Unlike you.
Well, as you seem to imply that you have better intelligence on this matter could you enlighten the world as to the 'truth'? What is your version of events?
Was the title 'Shrill!'? That one was still there as of a couple of hours ago.
"The catch being that since it's an open forum...."
Groklaw an open forum......Puhleese!
I saw her delete an account the other day for something she suspected someone might do in the future. (re: Maat)
(I would provide a link to her comment about it, but she has forbidden Groklaw being used in such a way.)
IANAL
"Well, IANALE, but I'm guessing that the poster in question didn't have his or her name IN the post, and was relying entirely on the software (which isn't his/her writing) to attribute it for them."
The hair splitting, such as this statement represents, would be laughable if we read it coming from SCOG, coming from the Groklaw side it is disgusting.
People did not expect to be treated unfairly from someone who preached to the world how wonderful and pure their motives and ethics were. She was taken at her word.
IANAL
"Did they prove SCO was wrong/right or change the perception of the case in anyway?"
Yes they did. Without the facts, knowledge and insight provided by the posters who have been deleted then Groklaw would be a far less influential site today.
Mind you, she has still got the benefit of having the comments. It is just the posters who have suffered, by having their names removed from their comments. When the history of this part of the Linux story is recounted in later years who do you think will be remembered? The people who did the work in disproving SCOG's case, or those who merely chronicled their efforts.
I understand that posters like yourself do not know what has gone on. The mass of posters on GL shout down anything that they consider disrespectful of PJ, and the alternative viewpoint gets discounted.
IANAL but I do understand injustice.
"even if they don't violate her terms"
Well that is an open way to carry on.
If she was honest about it and said that it just did not suit her agenda to have intelligent, and active people posting to her site then I would have no problem with it. However her continued attempts to claim the moral high ground, and enflame her captive audience is a mockery of what she claimed the site stood for.
Her actions with regard to other people's copyrights if not illegal (she claims it is OK to take someones name off of their posts and substitute "Anonymous"), is certainly, in my view, unethical.
IANAL
"I have no problem with that but the eyes of many
catches a lot which I happen to enjoy at Groklaw."
It is not the eyes of the posters on Groklaw that I have a problem with. I am a long time lurker*, but since Pam started deleting the accounts of people she could no longer put up with, it seems that she has only 'yes' men left. There is very little useful input from named posters. Most of the enlightened stuff comes from "Anonymous". Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water!
* I lurk there as I have nothing useful to add to the discussions. Yes, I know that does not stop most posters there, but it does stop me.
IANAL
You posted "If O'Gara wasn't I suspect she would have sued PJ by now but truth is the defense for libel/slander"
.
It seemed to me that Pam backpedalled quite rapidly with regard to O'Gara. What was that all about? Link
IANAL
"Since she left OSRM she's had many job offers and I recall she recently took one."
I am suprised that she has the time for a job, given all the post & account deletions she has been doing lately.
But given PJ's policy of preventing others from using the information she gathers at Groklaw, what good would all the effort in transcribing the documents be worth?
"We are so terribly sorry, to hear of your disaster."
To get the full benefit of using Mozilla etc they should be run under Linux. Although it is kind of the developers to allow the users of other crippled OS's to try their offerings it is rather counter productive. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Some of the media are saying that some MS apps. are vunerable to the 'Mozilla bug' as if somehow Mozilla causes the problem.
Mozilla should, to protect its reputation, cease allowing downloads of its apps for MS systems, and issue a press release explaining that because MS software does not meet their standards, that they will no longer support Windows versions.
Windows costs a lot.
Linux is worth a lot.
"If you want me to obey American laws and American directives then give me american citizenship."
Actually there is no way that I could be persuaded to take US citizenship. Nor could I be forced into it.
"I don't think it's feasible (since the USPTO can't hire the best researchers in every field) to never let through an illegitimate patent"
Why can't they? The Swiss patent office in Berne, used to employ Albert Einstein. Surely the US can do better than the Swiss.
We are talking Windows users here. What if their box is not set up to boot off of a CD?
Was that all true?
It's generally accepted that politicians prefer lies (and liars), as it puts them at their ease to know they are around like minded people.
Honesty, in any form, leads to angst, and is therefore avoided at all times.
Sun does seem to be on a hiding to nothing, however that should not distract developers from being wary of this sudden influx of hybrid source that the old cash for code companies seem to be trying to foist onto the FOSS community. With their various strange licences (if they are serious, why not use the GPL) their offerings are neither fish nor fowl. I would recommend caution.