If he were serious, he would have said that Hurricane chart went to 11....
Even if it doesn't happen the way it's 'supposed' to, it doesn't change my argument. It's too complex and the potential fixes are too difficult economically, politically and militarily to envision. I pointed out to rwa2 that you could indeed push environmental regs through the system. Just not to the level we would need to meet the presumed threat*. I actually agree with his major thesis that politically we won't start doing much until people are really dying.
Of course, by then the only way to solve the problem will be to nuke it from orbit.
* I think the data is most consistent with a moderate change in the environment over the next generation or so. Unfortunately, mankind is pushing up against the carrying capacity of the environment and even if the changes are relatively modest, they're going to create a world of hurt. So to speak.
The Environmental Protection Agency was pushed through by, of all people, Richard Nixon. Nobody was actively dying, but some rivers were burning and a few writers (Rachael Carson comes to mind) were making a big splash. So something like this can be done - as long as no one else is looking.
I rather doubt that the EPA could get created de novo these days. What they did actually worked to a large degree and things don't seem so bad unless your a Anne Rand level Libertarian. Also, the rules and regs that the EPA created didn't change the fundamental underpinnings of society or cost all that much money (rending of garments and wailing from certain industries notwithstanding).
Climate change is a whole other set of problems. To cut down carbon emissions fast enough to make a difference will take the wind out of the economic sails of most of the G20. That isn't going to happen unless the Flying Spaghetti Monster himself arises from the pasta bowel and shakes Parmesan cheese over the planet. And it's not even clear that such a level of change will do anything measurable. So faced with the likelihood of economic (and societal and military destruction) over the possibility that we can do something about it, the actual rational answer is to.... punt.
What one would expect during generic "brain failure", is a completely random set of sensations and cognitive inhibition--much like an LSD trip. That isn't what is reported, and quantified in peer-reviewed studies, such as The Lancet's.
What evidence do you have to support this? As long as we're pulling hypotheses out of our butts, I'd assume that a gradual brain shutdown (over minutes, as in massive circulatory collapse for whatever reason) would follow a stereotypical set of pathways that might well involve memory subsystems and proprioceptive issues. The fact that OBE experiences hew to a specific playbook suggests that indeed, it's hardwired and repeatable.
Nothing more, nothing less. No reason to invoke higher deities, higher consciousness or His Noodliness.
Google can afford lawyers. Lots and lots of lawyers. More lawyers, more imposing lawyers than Fido's owners can. Really bad analogy.
A slightly better one would be an auto insurance company suing Google (or it's holding company / subsidiary or whatever legal arrangement they make). Then it's lawyer on lawyer action (ewwww....). Still and all, you have to think that Google's admin team has figured this out. After all, we did. And made suitable arrangements.
Poor Fido, here's a couple hundred bucks, get a new puppy. We'll even throw in some dog food for you. Smile for the cameras!
Nothing but undeveloped, unevolved, barely conscious pond scum, totally convinced of their own superiority as they scurry about their short, pointless lives.
Oh give it up. How about early European settlers wiping out 12 million indigenous Americans by smallpox and influenza within a decade of landing on shore? Yes, we should remember the Holocaust during WWII. And Rwanda. And Nanking. And godknowswhatelse. Nobody's ancestors have much of a moral high ground.
No, you're not. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Before you spied on encrypted communications you drilled holes in the wall and stuffed a microphone in it. Before that you stuffed your eye into the hole. I'm not sure what Ogg did, probably something like crawling into the ventilation passage in his enemy's cave and hope everyone didn't fart too much.
Yes indeed. Now they're trying to stomp on NOAA, a comparatively small and weak governmental entity (they can't even find enough money to replace lost weather buoys).
Nothing like the economic power of a determined billionaire and the bottomless pit of graft and avarice that is the Congress to keep bad ideas afloat.
I remember a proposal like this back in the 1960's. My first question then is my first question now: If a satellite can "beam down" enough power to be useful as a power source, how is it not an orbital directed energy weapon?
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And exactly when do you think this was different? When Walter Cronkite was alive? When Ogg told Grog what happened to Paris the other night?
Is this way, was this way, will always be this way.
I take it you're just not totally impressed with the Darth Trashcan?
If he were serious, he would have said that Hurricane chart went to 11....
Even if it doesn't happen the way it's 'supposed' to, it doesn't change my argument. It's too complex and the potential fixes are too difficult economically, politically and militarily to envision. I pointed out to rwa2 that you could indeed push environmental regs through the system. Just not to the level we would need to meet the presumed threat*. I actually agree with his major thesis that politically we won't start doing much until people are really dying.
Of course, by then the only way to solve the problem will be to nuke it from orbit.
* I think the data is most consistent with a moderate change in the environment over the next generation or so. Unfortunately, mankind is pushing up against the carrying capacity of the environment and even if the changes are relatively modest, they're going to create a world of hurt. So to speak.
The Environmental Protection Agency was pushed through by, of all people, Richard Nixon. Nobody was actively dying, but some rivers were burning and a few writers (Rachael Carson comes to mind) were making a big splash. So something like this can be done - as long as no one else is looking.
I rather doubt that the EPA could get created de novo these days. What they did actually worked to a large degree and things don't seem so bad unless your a Anne Rand level Libertarian. Also, the rules and regs that the EPA created didn't change the fundamental underpinnings of society or cost all that much money (rending of garments and wailing from certain industries notwithstanding).
Climate change is a whole other set of problems. To cut down carbon emissions fast enough to make a difference will take the wind out of the economic sails of most of the G20. That isn't going to happen unless the Flying Spaghetti Monster himself arises from the pasta bowel and shakes Parmesan cheese over the planet. And it's not even clear that such a level of change will do anything measurable. So faced with the likelihood of economic (and societal and military destruction) over the possibility that we can do something about it, the actual rational answer is to .... punt.
Random facts and disconnected analogies are no match for a good blaster.
"the transformational potential of photo-sharing apps is more sinister and Orwellian than anything dreamt up by a dictator."
Flickr is worse than Hitler? What?
No, Milo's prose is worse than a triple shot cappuccino addled New York Times intern.
Sounds like somebody got a hold of something too strong at Burning Man. Slow down guy, it's not worth getting that worked up about stuff like this.
How do you know the machine building your CPU will not inject a backdoor in it?
Because Kevin Horton's NANDputer was built by hand out of a pile of 74HC00 (quad 2-input NAND gate) ICs on a breadboard. There isn't enough room in any single 7400 to insert a backdoor.
Hell, a breadboard full of 7400's is big enough to put in a real back door, complete with hinges.
A six pack, a bottle of Tequila and some mescaline works just as well. No wires.
Mein Furher! I can walk!
What one would expect during generic "brain failure", is a completely random set of sensations and cognitive inhibition--much like an LSD trip. That isn't what is reported, and quantified in peer-reviewed studies, such as The Lancet's.
What evidence do you have to support this? As long as we're pulling hypotheses out of our butts, I'd assume that a gradual brain shutdown (over minutes, as in massive circulatory collapse for whatever reason) would follow a stereotypical set of pathways that might well involve memory subsystems and proprioceptive issues. The fact that OBE experiences hew to a specific playbook suggests that indeed, it's hardwired and repeatable.
Nothing more, nothing less. No reason to invoke higher deities, higher consciousness or His Noodliness.
Drugs are only a last resort to prove to you that you _already_ have the ability. Why aren't you interested in learning how to have them naturally?
Better living through chemistry.
A couple of milligrams of mescaline, or in a pinch, LSD and you're golden (or C# or slightly corrugated).
No fair. Share your drugs or don't post stuff like that.
The first adopters will be in the adult entertainment industry.
"Your skin.... Your skin feels so electric" she said.
Slashdot is an unsocial network. Thank you very much.
Now, get off our lawn.
Google can afford lawyers. Lots and lots of lawyers. More lawyers, more imposing lawyers than Fido's owners can. Really bad analogy.
A slightly better one would be an auto insurance company suing Google (or it's holding company / subsidiary or whatever legal arrangement they make). Then it's lawyer on lawyer action (ewwww....). Still and all, you have to think that Google's admin team has figured this out. After all, we did. And made suitable arrangements.
Poor Fido, here's a couple hundred bucks, get a new puppy. We'll even throw in some dog food for you. Smile for the cameras!
However, that isn't how the unwashed masses
Careful, your contempt is showing.
Nothing but undeveloped, unevolved, barely conscious pond scum, totally convinced of their own superiority as they scurry about their short, pointless lives.
There, fixed it for you.
Oh give it up. How about early European settlers wiping out 12 million indigenous Americans by smallpox and influenza within a decade of landing on shore? Yes, we should remember the Holocaust during WWII. And Rwanda. And Nanking. And godknowswhatelse. Nobody's ancestors have much of a moral high ground.
Move along.
OMG! You're right!
Run Away! Run Away!
No, you're not. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Before you spied on encrypted communications you drilled holes in the wall and stuffed a microphone in it. Before that you stuffed your eye into the hole. I'm not sure what Ogg did, probably something like crawling into the ventilation passage in his enemy's cave and hope everyone didn't fart too much.
As does any of the permanent members of the UN Security Council.
Just to make that perfectly clear to all.
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Yes indeed. Now they're trying to stomp on NOAA, a comparatively small and weak governmental entity (they can't even find enough money to replace lost weather buoys).
Nothing like the economic power of a determined billionaire and the bottomless pit of graft and avarice that is the Congress to keep bad ideas afloat.
4 chan down again?
Yeah, we're more of a Kardashian Type ''civilization' now.
We're doomed.
I remember a proposal like this back in the 1960's. My first question then is my first question now: If a satellite can "beam down" enough power to be useful as a power source, how is it not an orbital directed energy weapon?
Forgot to read TFA again, did we?