Well, if you're not gonna watch it on TV and you can't/won't buy it - then... um... that means you AREN'T supposed to get the content.
It's not yours, and you have absolutely no reasonable inherent claim to it. You pirates need to come to terms with the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you and you can't always get what you want your way. I learned that when I was 5 years old.
I love the spin you pirates try to put on this. Despite the nonsense propaganda you try to spread, I don't recall the government or anyone else trying to erase anyone's memory or extract thoughts from your head. Take off the tin foil hat for a minute and try using what's beneath it.
They don't care what you think or even say about anything - so don't flatter yourself. They just don't want people to cut into their profits. You'd be just as angry if you went to work every day and found out that your coworker was siphoning away extra pay from your paycheck just because he/she "doesn't like the way you're doing things." (Insert obligatory tax joke here.)
Now despite all the BS spin you pirates put on this entire issue - the fact remains that you're taking advantage of other people's hard work. Sure, the government and big media companies do some bad things too - but that shouldn't mean you have an excuse to be evil too. Unless you're incredibly weak in the head, that is.
Besides, I still say all of the junk about downloading as "rebellion" is bunk. I truly doubt that any of the thousands of teens downloading "The Matrix" or the latest Eminem album give a rat's ass about rebellion - they just want free stuff. That's what lies at the heart of all of you people, no matter how desperately you try to mask your weak morals with finger-pointing and distractions.
Don't agree with something? Go ahead and fight it. But don't confuse the attitude of a revolutionary ("Let's change things for the better") with that of a rapist ("Let's take advantage of someone just because we can/should/are entitled to."). Two guesses which category pirates fall into, and the first guess doesn't count.
Because somebody has to balance out all you people that are so god damn childish and unethical.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - pirates aren't part of some amazing "movement" - they're stealing, plain and simple. So get over yourselves.
PS- and all of the anal retentive types in the thread who keep whipping out the definition of "theft" or "stealing" and nitpicking it need to get a life. Unless you bitch and moan whenever someone goes "He stole my heart" or "He stole that joke from Leno," then don't be so picky about such sayings here, too.
I can just see you folks being dicks now, "Well, he didn't ACTUALLY steal your heart - it's still in your chest," and, "Well, he didn't ACTUALLY still that joke, because Leno still has possession of it."
(Yawn)
Come up with a new line. What you're doing is wrong, and if you have any morals at all you at least have an inkling that it's wrong. Stop making excuses and nitpicking people's criticisms of you. You deserve those criticisms - you're taking advantage of other people's work without their permission. You're not a revolutionary - you're a miserly pirate with a computer, too much free time, and a weak system of ethics.
(To the parent - only the first line was directed at you. The rest was just ranting.)
First off, I'm sorry if I didn't clarify it to be past tense. No, I don't pirate anymore. In fact, I switched back to dial-up to prevent so much as the slightest temptation. So I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that point, but it is past tense. Dial-up's so frustraing as to prevent any such thing. Sometimes I'll go to the coffee shop for free wi-fi just to check my email from the frustration!
Secondly, even if I were still doing it, that doesn't make the people who don't admit to it's immorality any less immoral than I would be IMHO. If they steal without any notice of the unethical nature of what they're doing - that means they're either in denial or simply don't have a conscience. That doesn't make them better than someone who recognizes the immorality of it.
I don't believe that morality is as relative as these pirates - and yourself, apparently - take it to be. Even a kid with down-syndrome will be punished in SOME way for murdering someone. The extent that someone recognizes the "wrongness" of their actions does indeed figure into their legal punishment, but I don't think it makes their actions inherently more "right."
Stealing is still stealing - just because someone may not be mentally strong enough to admit to themselves that they're being immoral doesn't excuse it any more than someone who recognizes it and does it gleefully. They're just different people behaving unethically with different motivations - but the end action is the same. And let's face it - how many of these pirates sincerely believe that what they're doing may not actually be wrong or illegal? They all know it, and I call shenanigans on anyone who downloads 1000 songs and goes "Oh, I didn't know it was wrong." Whatever. It's the weakest of excuses because it's an outright lie.
If they snuck in, and lived there for 5 years, I'd still be perfectly happy with it. The instant they got in my way, or otherwise harmed me, I'd be pissed, but as long as they aren't and won't inconveiniencing me in any way, I'd consider it morally reprehensible not to let them stay.
Send me your address. I'm recently unemployed and living at home - which is a nightmare! I promise I won't get in your way:)
But what if my making a copy of your car caused your personal banking account to drop. In other words - what if you were paying for my car? And you had no choice in the matter?
If somebody creates something, I believe it's theirs. Call me crazy. They can be as stingy as they want to be with it. You can say it makes them a bad person, but the fact remains that it's STILL THEIRS.
If you had an empty room in your house that you only used for guests, it's not open season for anyone to move in and stay out of your way until you have guests.
If you buy a chicken that you only intend on eating half of - it would be NICE if you gave it to somebody that's hungry, but you don't OWE it to them, nor do they have the RIGHT to just march into your house and eat it. If someone did that, you wouldn't be losing out - you were planning on trashing it. Still doesn't make it okay for someone to do that.
Sorry to use so many analogies - but it's the only way I can think to explain something that's just incredibly simple in my mind. It's their property, so you shouldn't steal it. They don't owe you crap. What is it about the file sharing generation that makes them feel like everyone owes them whatever they want on whatever terms they want. It would be nice if everyone gave you whatever you want at no cost to yourself - but that's not how the world works, sorry.
Again, I don't like the big media companies - but it's still their property and not yours.
You, just like all the other moral apologists, have the most laughable points. The fact that someone else does something wrong still doesn't give you the right to do wrong as well. If you really care about punishing the immoral acts of others - that are better avenues to do it than by sinking to their level. Besides, the whole "I pirate to get back at them," argument is silly.
If there were a way to invest as much time as it takes to download stuff illegally without getting music and movies for free - would you still do it? Of course not - because through all of the lies and excuses, the primary reason people pirate will always be that they get stuff for free. Pure and simple. "Stickin' it to the man" is only secondary to the fact that you're a freeloader.
Another thing - I think it's very telling that all of you "proud" pirates still make your arguments under the protective guise of anonymity. The truly righteous are not at all afraid to show their faces.
Lastly - I never said anything to suggest that all downloading and copying is illegal. You assumed that without merit. I use bittorrent regularly for Linux ISOs, so I enjoy the technology thoroughly. But if you're still trying to convince yourself that 1% or more of all bittorrent and filesharing downloads are legal, you're even more delusional than I thought.
Yes, the tactics of the RIAA and MPAA leave a lot to be desired. Yes, the people who make the laws regarding these things usually don't know what they're talking about. But none of that is an excuse for doing something that your momma's taught you since birth is wrong. If your morality is responsive to someone else's behavior, then you're weak and you're gullible - and you need to go back to grade school to learn the golden rule.
I'm with you on this one. Just like the parent's completely nonsensical statement "the fact that it's illegal is completely irrelevant," chronic pirates do tend to be hypocrites. Of course the fact that it's illegal is relevant. That's the whole reason the fight is going on.
I hate that all the mods are sympathetic to the so called "fight" as well. Why is it that those of us who are against piracy are considered flamers and trolls? That's pathetic.
Yeah, I hate the fact that legal music downloads have the restrictive DRM on it. So I don't buy music online - I buy used CDs and just rip'em onto my computer.
Aw - you can't see a TV show in your area? Have to wait a whole extra month to see that movie you wanna see? Tough shit - that still doesn't make it yours. It's someone else's property and they can distribute it however they please.
I've been saving up for a new car - but my childish impatience doesn't give me the right to come steal yours in the meantime.
I've downloaded quite a few songs illegally in my day, but I have no illusions that what I'm doing is "the right thing." I know it's illegal and I'm not proud of it. I don't think I mind people downloading stuff illegally so much as I mind the people trying to make excuses for it. There is no excuse - what you're doing is immoral and dishonest. We're stealing - not leading a revolution. Get over yourself, folks.
Now go ahead and mod this post down - I know most of my fellow pirates don't want to hear it anyway. See no evil, do no evil - or at least not admit to it.
The only thing I wished I had known after high school is that your sleep patterns change almost immediately after you turn 18. Suddenly, you can't just pop out of bed every day. Suddenly, it's no longer a chore to take a nap. You can do absolutely nothing all day and still feel too tired to masturbate before crying yourself to sleep.
It definitely got me - bad. It didn't affect my overall driving very much, but I'd have moments. Sometimes I'd pull into a parking space and there'd be someone whose car was over the line a little into mine. I'd think "Oh I'll just nudge'em a little. No harm done. The cops only come if I do serious damage."
Another time, on one of those real police video shows, a cop shot a suspect as he was jumping off the top of something towards the copy. I was sort of surprised that the suspect kept falling - I was expecting him to be suspended in midair until the cop finished shooting like in Devil May Cry.
Plus you can get free sex through their "casual encounters" section. That's really cut into my pimpin' revenue, so I'm with the newspapers on that one.
Now that we've uncovered the lights hoax, maybe we can do something about that whole "virgin birth" hoax, too. They both happened around the same time, after all. Coincidence?
flame on!
(couldn't resist)
...because it would kind of suck to be plummeting, and then sigh in relief as the plane is slowed by the parachute, only to have the strings catch fire from whatever caused the plane to start falling in the first place.
Yeah I've noticed this. I've downloaded pretty much every free and open source office suite or word processor out there. But I always grudgingly go back to Microsoft Word for only one reason - the grammar checker. It really does make a difference. I wouldn't worry about hunting down a grammar checker, because when there finally is a grammar checker on something open source it'll be BIG news anyway.
Redundant for me to say, but:
It doesn't just look somewhat like a clone, it really is almost exact. The yahoo search page was news to me as well - very disappointing news. Borrowing features that everyone obviously likes is expected, but lifting pretty much the entire interface is just lazy.
...about my Mac is that it's so safe that I can't play any popular games on it or use a lot of common software for it. Not even legitimate software and files can infiltrate my Powerbook!
I don't know about that. I don't think it takes 3-4 years just to do the special effects. I think Lucas got writer's block and said, "Ah screw it - I'll just make some alien that's a cross between Joan Rivers and several racial stereotypes. But what'll I name 'im?"... looks down as he dips peanut butter out of a JAR with his fingers... "Ahhhhhhhh..."
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so how else are you supposed to get the content?
Well, if you're not gonna watch it on TV and you can't/won't buy it - then... um... that means you AREN'T supposed to get the content.
It's not yours, and you have absolutely no reasonable inherent claim to it. You pirates need to come to terms with the fact that the world doesn't revolve around you and you can't always get what you want your way. I learned that when I was 5 years old.
I love the spin you pirates try to put on this. Despite the nonsense propaganda you try to spread, I don't recall the government or anyone else trying to erase anyone's memory or extract thoughts from your head. Take off the tin foil hat for a minute and try using what's beneath it.
They don't care what you think or even say about anything - so don't flatter yourself. They just don't want people to cut into their profits. You'd be just as angry if you went to work every day and found out that your coworker was siphoning away extra pay from your paycheck just because he/she "doesn't like the way you're doing things." (Insert obligatory tax joke here.)
Now despite all the BS spin you pirates put on this entire issue - the fact remains that you're taking advantage of other people's hard work. Sure, the government and big media companies do some bad things too - but that shouldn't mean you have an excuse to be evil too. Unless you're incredibly weak in the head, that is.
Besides, I still say all of the junk about downloading as "rebellion" is bunk. I truly doubt that any of the thousands of teens downloading "The Matrix" or the latest Eminem album give a rat's ass about rebellion - they just want free stuff. That's what lies at the heart of all of you people, no matter how desperately you try to mask your weak morals with finger-pointing and distractions.
Don't agree with something? Go ahead and fight it. But don't confuse the attitude of a revolutionary ("Let's change things for the better") with that of a rapist ("Let's take advantage of someone just because we can/should/are entitled to."). Two guesses which category pirates fall into, and the first guess doesn't count.
Why must some people be so god damn righteous...
Because somebody has to balance out all you people that are so god damn childish and unethical.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - pirates aren't part of some amazing "movement" - they're stealing, plain and simple. So get over yourselves.
PS- and all of the anal retentive types in the thread who keep whipping out the definition of "theft" or "stealing" and nitpicking it need to get a life. Unless you bitch and moan whenever someone goes "He stole my heart" or "He stole that joke from Leno," then don't be so picky about such sayings here, too.
I can just see you folks being dicks now, "Well, he didn't ACTUALLY steal your heart - it's still in your chest," and, "Well, he didn't ACTUALLY still that joke, because Leno still has possession of it."
(Yawn)
Come up with a new line. What you're doing is wrong, and if you have any morals at all you at least have an inkling that it's wrong. Stop making excuses and nitpicking people's criticisms of you. You deserve those criticisms - you're taking advantage of other people's work without their permission. You're not a revolutionary - you're a miserly pirate with a computer, too much free time, and a weak system of ethics.
(To the parent - only the first line was directed at you. The rest was just ranting.)
First off, I'm sorry if I didn't clarify it to be past tense. No, I don't pirate anymore. In fact, I switched back to dial-up to prevent so much as the slightest temptation. So I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that point, but it is past tense. Dial-up's so frustraing as to prevent any such thing. Sometimes I'll go to the coffee shop for free wi-fi just to check my email from the frustration!
Secondly, even if I were still doing it, that doesn't make the people who don't admit to it's immorality any less immoral than I would be IMHO. If they steal without any notice of the unethical nature of what they're doing - that means they're either in denial or simply don't have a conscience. That doesn't make them better than someone who recognizes the immorality of it.
I don't believe that morality is as relative as these pirates - and yourself, apparently - take it to be. Even a kid with down-syndrome will be punished in SOME way for murdering someone. The extent that someone recognizes the "wrongness" of their actions does indeed figure into their legal punishment, but I don't think it makes their actions inherently more "right."
Stealing is still stealing - just because someone may not be mentally strong enough to admit to themselves that they're being immoral doesn't excuse it any more than someone who recognizes it and does it gleefully. They're just different people behaving unethically with different motivations - but the end action is the same. And let's face it - how many of these pirates sincerely believe that what they're doing may not actually be wrong or illegal? They all know it, and I call shenanigans on anyone who downloads 1000 songs and goes "Oh, I didn't know it was wrong." Whatever. It's the weakest of excuses because it's an outright lie.
If they snuck in, and lived there for 5 years, I'd still be perfectly happy with it. The instant they got in my way, or otherwise harmed me, I'd be pissed, but as long as they aren't and won't inconveiniencing me in any way, I'd consider it morally reprehensible not to let them stay.
:)
Send me your address. I'm recently unemployed and living at home - which is a nightmare! I promise I won't get in your way
But what if my making a copy of your car caused your personal banking account to drop. In other words - what if you were paying for my car? And you had no choice in the matter?
If somebody creates something, I believe it's theirs. Call me crazy. They can be as stingy as they want to be with it. You can say it makes them a bad person, but the fact remains that it's STILL THEIRS.
If you had an empty room in your house that you only used for guests, it's not open season for anyone to move in and stay out of your way until you have guests.
If you buy a chicken that you only intend on eating half of - it would be NICE if you gave it to somebody that's hungry, but you don't OWE it to them, nor do they have the RIGHT to just march into your house and eat it. If someone did that, you wouldn't be losing out - you were planning on trashing it. Still doesn't make it okay for someone to do that.
Sorry to use so many analogies - but it's the only way I can think to explain something that's just incredibly simple in my mind. It's their property, so you shouldn't steal it. They don't owe you crap. What is it about the file sharing generation that makes them feel like everyone owes them whatever they want on whatever terms they want. It would be nice if everyone gave you whatever you want at no cost to yourself - but that's not how the world works, sorry.
Again, I don't like the big media companies - but it's still their property and not yours.
You, just like all the other moral apologists, have the most laughable points. The fact that someone else does something wrong still doesn't give you the right to do wrong as well. If you really care about punishing the immoral acts of others - that are better avenues to do it than by sinking to their level. Besides, the whole "I pirate to get back at them," argument is silly.
If there were a way to invest as much time as it takes to download stuff illegally without getting music and movies for free - would you still do it? Of course not - because through all of the lies and excuses, the primary reason people pirate will always be that they get stuff for free. Pure and simple. "Stickin' it to the man" is only secondary to the fact that you're a freeloader.
Another thing - I think it's very telling that all of you "proud" pirates still make your arguments under the protective guise of anonymity. The truly righteous are not at all afraid to show their faces.
Lastly - I never said anything to suggest that all downloading and copying is illegal. You assumed that without merit. I use bittorrent regularly for Linux ISOs, so I enjoy the technology thoroughly. But if you're still trying to convince yourself that 1% or more of all bittorrent and filesharing downloads are legal, you're even more delusional than I thought.
Yes, the tactics of the RIAA and MPAA leave a lot to be desired. Yes, the people who make the laws regarding these things usually don't know what they're talking about. But none of that is an excuse for doing something that your momma's taught you since birth is wrong. If your morality is responsive to someone else's behavior, then you're weak and you're gullible - and you need to go back to grade school to learn the golden rule.
I'm with you on this one. Just like the parent's completely nonsensical statement "the fact that it's illegal is completely irrelevant," chronic pirates do tend to be hypocrites. Of course the fact that it's illegal is relevant. That's the whole reason the fight is going on.
I hate that all the mods are sympathetic to the so called "fight" as well. Why is it that those of us who are against piracy are considered flamers and trolls? That's pathetic.
Yeah, I hate the fact that legal music downloads have the restrictive DRM on it. So I don't buy music online - I buy used CDs and just rip'em onto my computer.
Aw - you can't see a TV show in your area? Have to wait a whole extra month to see that movie you wanna see? Tough shit - that still doesn't make it yours. It's someone else's property and they can distribute it however they please.
I've been saving up for a new car - but my childish impatience doesn't give me the right to come steal yours in the meantime.
I've downloaded quite a few songs illegally in my day, but I have no illusions that what I'm doing is "the right thing." I know it's illegal and I'm not proud of it. I don't think I mind people downloading stuff illegally so much as I mind the people trying to make excuses for it. There is no excuse - what you're doing is immoral and dishonest. We're stealing - not leading a revolution. Get over yourself, folks.
Now go ahead and mod this post down - I know most of my fellow pirates don't want to hear it anyway. See no evil, do no evil - or at least not admit to it.
...now I can just do a search using the stuff from Commujism to find more real pr0n!
The only thing I wished I had known after high school is that your sleep patterns change almost immediately after you turn 18. Suddenly, you can't just pop out of bed every day. Suddenly, it's no longer a chore to take a nap. You can do absolutely nothing all day and still feel too tired to masturbate before crying yourself to sleep.
Geez, do you know how many Gmail accounts you can get on eBay for 60 bucks?
Disney already made Minnie Mouse. Apple's just covering their bases to avoid lawsuits.
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It definitely got me - bad. It didn't affect my overall driving very much, but I'd have moments. Sometimes I'd pull into a parking space and there'd be someone whose car was over the line a little into mine. I'd think "Oh I'll just nudge'em a little. No harm done. The cops only come if I do serious damage."
Another time, on one of those real police video shows, a cop shot a suspect as he was jumping off the top of something towards the copy. I was sort of surprised that the suspect kept falling - I was expecting him to be suspended in midair until the cop finished shooting like in Devil May Cry.
Gates was going to use Keynote for the presentation, but he didn't want to pay for that goddamn expensive Apple hardware.
So what? If our president can do it, so can Gates!
Plus you can get free sex through their "casual encounters" section. That's really cut into my pimpin' revenue, so I'm with the newspapers on that one.
Now that we've uncovered the lights hoax, maybe we can do something about that whole "virgin birth" hoax, too. They both happened around the same time, after all. Coincidence? flame on! (couldn't resist)
...because it would kind of suck to be plummeting, and then sigh in relief as the plane is slowed by the parachute, only to have the strings catch fire from whatever caused the plane to start falling in the first place.
Yeah I've noticed this. I've downloaded pretty much every free and open source office suite or word processor out there. But I always grudgingly go back to Microsoft Word for only one reason - the grammar checker. It really does make a difference. I wouldn't worry about hunting down a grammar checker, because when there finally is a grammar checker on something open source it'll be BIG news anyway.
...if it's ugly and not all cutesy aqua; so long as it has, a grammar checker to catch all of my comma, splices and other such nonsense that I write.
Redundant for me to say, but: It doesn't just look somewhat like a clone, it really is almost exact. The yahoo search page was news to me as well - very disappointing news. Borrowing features that everyone obviously likes is expected, but lifting pretty much the entire interface is just lazy.
...about my Mac is that it's so safe that I can't play any popular games on it or use a lot of common software for it. Not even legitimate software and files can infiltrate my Powerbook!
Pwn3d!!1!!!one!1
I don't know about that. I don't think it takes 3-4 years just to do the special effects. I think Lucas got writer's block and said, "Ah screw it - I'll just make some alien that's a cross between Joan Rivers and several racial stereotypes. But what'll I name 'im?" ... looks down as he dips peanut butter out of a JAR with his fingers... "Ahhhhhhhh..."
The tech industry buffs are sounding more like politicians every day. Expect Gates to announce tax cuts before the end of the fiscal year.