>...or feel free to move your mailserver to another IP or subnet if you can't get it unblocked.
---SNIP---
Funny, thats what most of the people we block do to try to get off. Its become procedure to scan 5+/- IPs of the mail server to check for the actual open relay when the main server seems to reject relays. More then half the time we find the right ip 1 up or below the spam output. Both of them get added, and we wont remove both until the whole netblock is scanned and there is no relays left. My advice to open relay runners is to fix the problem or dont ask to be removed.
Do you know what it takes to run one of these lists? Its not that easy. We dont like blocking people, but when your server is an open relay, you are a liability, which means I must keep you from causing my server a possible problem.
I dont ask much. All that I expect is for people to setup their access lists correctly - use pop before smtp, smtp auth, ANYTHING BUT OPEN RELAY.
We process removals once a week because we make it a requirement all additions/removals be done by hand to prevent errors in the file. If you dont like that, then either #1 learn your lesson about running an open relay and not do it again or #2 support those people who are running these lists so they can work faster and better.
MMm, looks like I am right (from the vnunet.com article):
Breaking the figures down by distribution, Mandrake Linux 7.2 notched up 33 vulnerabilities, Red Hat 7.0 suffered 28, Mandrake 7.1 had 27 and Debian 2.2 had 26.
How much you want to bet the bulk of them are the exact same bug?
These idiots probably counted up security reports by adding each report from each distribution together rather then per package/kernel/etc.
The same report from Debian, Redhat, Slackware, and Mandrake doesn't frickin mean that there are 4 holes! It means that there is 1 hole. When will they get this through their head?
You have to look at each report, match each hole, count it as 1, and move onto the next. I'll bet that in the end, 9x/NT will have about 2x as much security holes, if not more.
This is why trying to make money from software doesn't always work. You should be making money from _support_ of that software. That is the way alot of the Linux companies make money. Linux in itself is not very profitable, but supporting the companies who use it when they have problems IS.
Someone willing to stand up for their principles and ideas... We should be backing Alan with everything we can.
Hes got a good job, and is willing to risk it for what he beleives in... How many people do you know would be willing to do that? Very few. People need to get off of his back.
In other news, Microsoft announced it was leaving the software business and refunding all of the money it cheated people out of over the years. Bill Gates was shown on TV apologizing to the world for his actions and promises to never do it again.
Anyone else not believe them one bit or is it just me?
"In other news, a new method of compression known as "/dev/null" was discovered by ZeoSync. It has the best compression ratio of any program to date. All you do is output the datastream to the new DevNullAccelerator and boom! No more data storage problems!"
I could believe that more then their press release.
At least someone in our govt. has a clue. I was getting worried there for a while.
The recording industry needs to make up their mind. Either they want the royalty fees, or they want copy protection. If I were them, I'd go with the royalty fees, since their attempts at copy protection are going to fail so miserably that its not worth their time. Where there is a will, there is a way.
And, they wonder why sales are so bad last year? Maybe its because of the music that was released last year?
How about a system of open proxies? IIRC, there is something by AT&T Labs which does this.
Dynamic IP proxies - how the hell are you going to block that? Setup a 'master' proxy which can connect to a dozen or so other ones and then you have a system that will continue to change as proxy servers appear/disappear. Much harder to block...
Also, another point, you can mask clients going through the proxy to be whatever you want them to look like.
Thats what proxies are for! What happens when people start putting up HTTP proxies in the US and then allowing people from other countries to use it freely? Then they look like they are from the US.
And then there is AOL. Everyone on their network is funneled through their web caching servers. So they all look like they are coming from AOL's server complex.
Oh, and lets not forget VPNs and IP tunnels. I can send a US IP address over a VPN to the EU. I do that and vice versa to work around restrictions on things like IRC servers which only allow you to connect from specific locations.
And this is going to do what? Help stop piracy? HAH. Think again. Get real. Don't people realize that the more they fight piracy the more it will happen? Thats just the way it is. People will crack the latest application weather or not it includes product activation.
Punishing a whole country because the fatcats in big business feel they need to 'get tough' is way out of line, and I sure hope that the Ukraine retaliates in some way... Maybe if enough bad things happen in response to this, it might make the US govt think twice.
Free thanks to sourceforge? Not really. Some of us still do things the old fashion way and host our own equipment, like the stuff that the SOSDG uses (http://www.2mbit.com). The bandwidth and space is no cost to us, but things like the drives, server power, domains, etc are all covered out of the pockets of the admins (mostly me).
Money can be the difference between us surviving the next disk crash or power supply failure. If people donated just a little bit, may it be in terms of hardware, rack space, etc, it would help alot of the 'little guys' survive.
Yes, the one from MS. I never had a problem with it speed or stability wise on the old Powerbook 3400, or any of my older PowerPC machines. *shrug* Maybe I got lucky, I donno, but most people find that Mac Office is a hell of alot better then Windows Office.
Now, Office for Windows blows chunks, its bloated and has 'issues'. Mac Office on the other hand, now that is an excellent package - good interface, very responsive, compatible with alot of formats, and rarely crashes on me.
The quality difference between the Mac and PC office packages are amazing, much like how IE5 for Mac blows the top right off of IE for Windows.
Heh, why would you need the same hardware? Go dig that old 386 out of the closet and watch it run circles around the current word processing, spreadsheet apps.
I loaded up a DOS machine here running DR-DOS 7 and a packet driver, works like a charm for those times when everything else in the office has crashed and burned.
Oh the joys of Advertising. Time to modify AdExt's blocking list to break these ads too! When will these idiot advertisers realize that putting up ads like this are totally and utterly pointless.
I was thinking about buying one of those X10 cams, but now after all of those annoying ads, heh, no way in hell.
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>...or feel free to move your mailserver to another IP or subnet if you can't get it unblocked.
---SNIP---
Funny, thats what most of the people we block do to try to get off. Its become procedure to scan 5+/- IPs of the mail server to check for the actual open relay when the main server seems to reject relays. More then half the time we find the right ip 1 up or below the spam output. Both of them get added, and we wont remove both until the whole netblock is scanned and there is no relays left. My advice to open relay runners is to fix the problem or dont ask to be removed.
Do you know what it takes to run one of these lists? Its not that easy. We dont like blocking people, but when your server is an open relay, you are a liability, which means I must keep you from causing my server a possible problem.
I dont ask much. All that I expect is for people to setup their access lists correctly - use pop before smtp, smtp auth, ANYTHING BUT OPEN RELAY.
We process removals once a week because we make it a requirement all additions/removals be done by hand to prevent errors in the file. If you dont like that, then either #1 learn your lesson about running an open relay and not do it again or #2 support those people who are running these lists so they can work faster and better.
Well, my offer is still open from the last sourceforge rounds.
If you want hosting, no ads, no hidden requirements, no surprises, let me know. The SOSDG is run by individuals, not by any company.
The Summit Open Source Development Group
MMm, looks like I am right (from the vnunet.com article):
Breaking the figures down by distribution, Mandrake Linux 7.2 notched up 33 vulnerabilities, Red Hat 7.0 suffered 28, Mandrake 7.1 had 27 and Debian 2.2 had 26.
How much you want to bet the bulk of them are the exact same bug?
These idiots probably counted up security reports by adding each report from each distribution together rather then per package/kernel/etc.
The same report from Debian, Redhat, Slackware, and Mandrake doesn't frickin mean that there are 4 holes! It means that there is 1 hole. When will they get this through their head?
You have to look at each report, match each hole, count it as 1, and move onto the next. I'll bet that in the end, 9x/NT will have about 2x as much security holes, if not more.
In other news... hell froze over today...
This is why trying to make money from software doesn't always work. You should be making money from _support_ of that software. That is the way alot of the Linux companies make money. Linux in itself is not very profitable, but supporting the companies who use it when they have problems IS.
The chance of this working with search engines like google being around is around the %1 range...
Someone willing to stand up for their principles and ideas... We should be backing Alan with everything we can.
Hes got a good job, and is willing to risk it for what he beleives in... How many people do you know would be willing to do that? Very few. People need to get off of his back.
Thats because it would require having a clue... Something news sites seem to not have picked up yet...
In other news, Microsoft announced it was leaving the software business and refunding all of the money it cheated people out of over the years. Bill Gates was shown on TV apologizing to the world for his actions and promises to never do it again.
I would consider the failure of Microsoft products to be closer to the coffee pot burning down your house.
I've watched a NT box singlehandedly destroy a company's online business...
On the border routers of the major backbone...
Cisco[config]> int ser0/0
Cisco[config]> shutdown
Replace ser0/0 with whatever type of link AOL might have to the router should it not be some type of serial link.
Boom, no more bandwidth problems.
One word - the root of all broadband issues in the Tristate NY area...
Verizon.
Nuff said.
Anyone else not believe them one bit or is it just me?
"In other news, a new method of compression known as "/dev/null" was discovered by ZeoSync. It has the best compression ratio of any program to date. All you do is output the datastream to the new DevNullAccelerator and boom! No more data storage problems!"
I could believe that more then their press release.
At least someone in our govt. has a clue. I was getting worried there for a while.
The recording industry needs to make up their mind. Either they want the royalty fees, or they want copy protection. If I were them, I'd go with the royalty fees, since their attempts at copy protection are going to fail so miserably that its not worth their time. Where there is a will, there is a way.
And, they wonder why sales are so bad last year? Maybe its because of the music that was released last year?
How about a system of open proxies? IIRC, there is something by AT&T Labs which does this.
:)
Dynamic IP proxies - how the hell are you going to block that? Setup a 'master' proxy which can connect to a dozen or so other ones and then you have a system that will continue to change as proxy servers appear/disappear. Much harder to block...
Also, another point, you can mask clients going through the proxy to be whatever you want them to look like.
New idea for a project
Thats what proxies are for! What happens when people start putting up HTTP proxies in the US and then allowing people from other countries to use it freely? Then they look like they are from the US.
And then there is AOL. Everyone on their network is funneled through their web caching servers. So they all look like they are coming from AOL's server complex.
Oh, and lets not forget VPNs and IP tunnels. I can send a US IP address over a VPN to the EU. I do that and vice versa to work around restrictions on things like IRC servers which only allow you to connect from specific locations.
It just wont work...
And this is going to do what? Help stop piracy? HAH. Think again. Get real. Don't people realize that the more they fight piracy the more it will happen? Thats just the way it is. People will crack the latest application weather or not it includes product activation.
Punishing a whole country because the fatcats in big business feel they need to 'get tough' is way out of line, and I sure hope that the Ukraine retaliates in some way... Maybe if enough bad things happen in response to this, it might make the US govt think twice.
Free thanks to sourceforge? Not really. Some of us still do things the old fashion way and host our own equipment, like the stuff that the SOSDG uses (http://www.2mbit.com). The bandwidth and space is no cost to us, but things like the drives, server power, domains, etc are all covered out of the pockets of the admins (mostly me).
Money can be the difference between us surviving the next disk crash or power supply failure. If people donated just a little bit, may it be in terms of hardware, rack space, etc, it would help alot of the 'little guys' survive.
Yes, the one from MS. I never had a problem with it speed or stability wise on the old Powerbook 3400, or any of my older PowerPC machines. *shrug* Maybe I got lucky, I donno, but most people find that Mac Office is a hell of alot better then Windows Office.
Now, Office for Windows blows chunks, its bloated and has 'issues'. Mac Office on the other hand, now that is an excellent package - good interface, very responsive, compatible with alot of formats, and rarely crashes on me.
The quality difference between the Mac and PC office packages are amazing, much like how IE5 for Mac blows the top right off of IE for Windows.
Heh, why would you need the same hardware? Go dig that old 386 out of the closet and watch it run circles around the current word processing, spreadsheet apps.
I loaded up a DOS machine here running DR-DOS 7 and a packet driver, works like a charm for those times when everything else in the office has crashed and burned.
You mean like working on that built in flight simulator in Excell, or the Office Assistant? Those are soooo much more important then bug fixes... :-)
Oh the joys of Advertising. Time to modify AdExt's blocking list to break these ads too! When will these idiot advertisers realize that putting up ads like this are totally and utterly pointless.
I was thinking about buying one of those X10 cams, but now after all of those annoying ads, heh, no way in hell.
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