Now, this doesn't mean Adobe won't leverage the spec and make piles of cash off of it, but at least in this case they're actually inventing something that people need instead of trying to push something on them that they don't.
Not directly. You just used 3 and a bit paragraphs to explain why this matters for Adobe which is all fine w/me and then you continue to say it doesn't make them money? Come on...
It does make sense for Adobe from a business point of view. How about usual benefits from an open standard? Ease of use for the user? Less developing time spend on supporting many formats? No license fees for proprietary formats in the future? The list goes on, all in the benefit for Adobe (and possibly competitors, too).
A happy customer is money. A customer saved is a penny earned. More customers is more pennies. Less happy customers is potentially less pennies and less customers it less pennies. Simple as kissing.
Cute startup/reboot sound, put the IndyCam on for more physical security, you get IRIX. If security is a concern, get a SGI support contract or buy Trusted IRIX.
Seriously, its a fun machine. But i'm not so sure on the power usage. For a second NIC, get yourself a Phobos G130 (i sell one btw).
Indigo2's probably work too, but those need a Phobos G160 or 3C597. I'm not so sure on the power usage either.
A R4x00 Indy might be a bit too slow, but a Indigo2 R4x00 or Indy R5000 most certainly suffices your needs.
Both machines come with a 10 mbit onboard NIC. The Phobos NICs are 100 mbit though saturate usually not at full speed (EISA...). That's good for a firewall/server since you won't use more than 10 mbit whereas you can still use it for file server purposes.
They run Linux too (e.g. Debian), NetBSD. However i'm not sure if the NICs actually will work (the Phobos ones). If you want a serious server you could even buy yourself a faster SGI. They're not that expensive 2nd hand anymore, but power usage really is a concern...
Choice is a good thing. Myself I use Mac OS X daily and love it (much to the irritation of my friends and family). I am not against KDE, or GNOME. Actually the DBFS has two parts in it, a low level part, which can be shared by KDE and GNOME (or Mac OS X or Windows XP) and a GUI part. The DBFS cannot do without a graphical display, and I have to choose a platform. GNOME seems to go the route of instant apply and simplicity for the user, which is more inline to my own ideas. That is why I now want to focus on GNOME."
Just the non-violent pieces, please. News shouldn't be tied to a rule like this one. If something is violent or the result of violence yet important, it should be shown. I guess it boils down now to "being said" only on TV? Or the radio?
The story i heard is that SGI tried to port IRIX to the Itanium but it got blasted off for whatever reason.
Developing the MIPS costs loads of time and expensive engineers. This is money SGI simply does't have. As you might be aware of their financial state isn't very good nor it has been the past few years. I can see where they're coming from at this point.
Finally i think they're pretty damn serious on this with NASA being the primary customer which they use to attract other customers.
Depending on how you define "supported", yes. SGI also contributes to Mozilla btw, but i think mostly for portability reasons.
The machines we use have an older version of IRIX, which has SGI's compile of Mozilla 1.0.something that you speak of.
Which version? You should consider upgrading because a lot of FLOSS (including Mozilla) is ported to IRIX 6.5. Not to older versions anymore although there are several websites dedicated to this. Freeware.sgi.com still hosts various FLOSS for older IRIX versions (5.3 and 6.2) check out the FAQ over there, you'll have to dig a lil.
Sadly, I haven't seen newer versions of Mozilla on SGI's website for download nor have I seen newer versions of IRIX Netscape on the netscape site for download either.
Netscape 4.8 is available on SGI.com. It is however unsupported. What that means in this context is described in the "Dear valued customer" letters. Check for example the IRIX 6.5.24 release notes. I would describe it as: "Run at your own risk, we don't care if it works or doesn't (anymore)."
I will try SGI's version of FireFox as you suggested.
It is version 0.6 and named Firebird, though.
I can't find Mozilla on www.nekochan.net.
Click on "software downloads", then "contrib". There are various contributors over there. Check for example the Foetz builds. Or check their forums and search for "Mozilla" or "Firefox". Various other 3rd party builds exist on the Internet but these are 3rd party binaries; it is up to you to trust these.
PS: I'm not prof or something nor affiliated with SGI. Just a casual IRIX hobbyist.
Netscape support (4.x versions) was recently dropped by SGI. I have not perceived any indications SGI is gonna support the 7.x versions.
Instead SGI supports Mozilla. You can download Mozilla from them (freeware.sgi.com) and its distributed on the apps CD's (#4) of later IRIX 6.5 versions. Mozilla Firefox for IRIX is also freely available at freeware.sgi.com.
If you insist, you can get 3rd party builds which have newer / other features than SGI's builds. See for example http://www.nekochan.net for some builds. You could also build Mozilla or Mozilla Firefox yourself if you'd like to do so. http://oss.sgi.com has various tips and hints for this process. Also see the Nekochan build options and the forums for advice.
"Yes it is harder because you can directly use the BSD code while you can only do that with the GPL code if you are willing to publish your source with the binaries. That is a desirable effect maybe, but those who want to keep their software proprietary disagree. Result, they can directly use BSD code, they can only indirectly use GPL code."
That's not the desirable effect and also such proprietary situation was already existing before GIFT [my example] even started.
"If it were GPL licensed, it is extremely likely that it would not have been adopted widely as it is because doing so would have been more expensive for proprietary software makers. The 'proof'? Point me at any proprietary network protocol that is implemented as widely as TCP/IP. Why proprietary? because untill recently, there were very few companies even willing to consider using GPL licensed code, and when havign to write their own code anyway, they want to make some money on it directly."
Doesn't proof anything to me as it doesn't proof something like that with GPL isn't possible. I do agree it is more _likely_, just not that it is impossible or unlikely. That we're using TCP/IP here as example is ofcourse a naughty one given its part of the kernel thus proprietary UNIX vendors cannot use this code because of CONTRACTS. They can't put it in their proprietary kernel and open up their kernel because of that _even_ when they'd like to do so.
"I do not want to push license, and I use both"
You're contradicting yourself. If you license your code under the GPL and the BSD license while you don't want to push licenses, you are pushing a license with the GPL by putting your code under the GPL.
You try to push it as a rule of thumb for protocols. As i argumented, not by definition true. Sometimes GPL code can't even used on a different platform. I really depends on the situation, and i don't see how Samba or GIFT would be more succesful when they were BSD licensed.
If Sidious is Palpetine (which i assumed from PM) then who is the Dark Jedi Master who Yoda killed on Dagobah who's force is still present on the Dagobah cave as seen in ep 5 and which force made Yoda's presence unsensable?
Mara Jade continues to impress me. She's about the same age as Luke, so she was born at the same time. She has been Palpetine's left hand for quite some time although i don't know since when. Does anyone know this?
Palpetine actually had a covert ops Dark Jedi among him who secured him, did stealth operations, did intelligence ops, and eventually fell in love with Luke: Mara Jade. So there wasn't only 2 Siths, unless she wasn't a Sith and i don't really get the difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith.
In the CCG she has force 4 or something.
There are some amateur Star Wars movies floating around on the Internet (some are truelly fun, though most are short) and in one she's featuring. Damn hot, whew!
[Anyone interested in buying CCG (the _old_ game) cards with various main characters???]
You're all wrong. It is subjective, you're far from objective, and the subject in question has been food for many flamewars.
Completely wrong, it is THE ONLY REASON why different operating systems, OSS or not, speak the same protocols on the internet.
Silly wabbit! They don't. Many proprietary protocols, GPL protocols, etc have been cloned or reverse engineered even when they were standard. However not ALL. With GPL, one is able to port say GIFT to a proprietary UNIX and run it there. Voila, not any harder than that the software was BSD licensed.
To say TCP/IP never happened with one GPL implementation is a statement which isn't based on any solid grounds. The source is open, so people are at least able to learn from it if they don't wanna contribute to the GPL version. Makes way for GPL, proprietary and PD, BSD, etc just fine and more so than proprietary protocols. It does recommend GPL though because you can use the foundation itself which is already there. Fact is you want to use push license as much as you whine on GPL zealots. Pot, meet kettle.
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Widely acknowledged fact: OpenLDAP performs extremely slow. I don't have any real benchmarks though.
Now, this doesn't mean Adobe won't leverage the spec and make piles of cash off of it, but at least in this case they're actually inventing something that people need instead of trying to push something on them that they don't.
Not directly. You just used 3 and a bit paragraphs to explain why this matters for Adobe which is all fine w/me and then you continue to say it doesn't make them money? Come on...
It does make sense for Adobe from a business point of view. How about usual benefits from an open standard? Ease of use for the user? Less developing time spend on supporting many formats? No license fees for proprietary formats in the future? The list goes on, all in the benefit for Adobe (and possibly competitors, too).
A happy customer is money. A customer saved is a penny earned. More customers is more pennies. Less happy customers is potentially less pennies and less customers it less pennies. Simple as kissing.
(And actually the first that I _can_ consider since I'm a linux user.)
5 49/26021>iA review</a>).
Actually, no.
Allofmp3.com (<a href=http://www.infoanarchy.org/story/2004/4/30/2
Quotes:
"You pay by the gigabyte; 1 gigabyte costs $10."
"Legal"
"You decide the quality"
"Here we have a million people willing to download a pre-release version, and track down bugs !!"
Excuse me, but a lot of people using Firefox aren't technically inclined. Do you really think they all know what they're doing?
"Prerelease? Bug? Reporting bugs? What are you talking about? It sounds like Chinese to me."
Its less positive than you tend to view it, but not necessarily negative either...
Cute startup/reboot sound, put the IndyCam on for more physical security, you get IRIX. If security is a concern, get a SGI support contract or buy Trusted IRIX.
Seriously, its a fun machine. But i'm not so sure on the power usage. For a second NIC, get yourself a Phobos G130 (i sell one btw).
Indigo2's probably work too, but those need a Phobos G160 or 3C597. I'm not so sure on the power usage either.
A R4x00 Indy might be a bit too slow, but a Indigo2 R4x00 or Indy R5000 most certainly suffices your needs.
Both machines come with a 10 mbit onboard NIC. The Phobos NICs are 100 mbit though saturate usually not at full speed (EISA...). That's good for a firewall/server since you won't use more than 10 mbit whereas you can still use it for file server purposes.
They run Linux too (e.g. Debian), NetBSD. However i'm not sure if the NICs actually will work (the Phobos ones). If you want a serious server you could even buy yourself a faster SGI. They're not that expensive 2nd hand anymore, but power usage really is a concern...
From the FAQ
"KDE, GNOME, make up your mind.
Choice is a good thing. Myself I use Mac OS X daily and love it (much to the irritation of my friends and family). I am not against KDE, or GNOME. Actually the DBFS has two parts in it, a low level part, which can be shared by KDE and GNOME (or Mac OS X or Windows XP) and a GUI part. The DBFS cannot do without a graphical display, and I have to choose a platform. GNOME seems to go the route of instant apply and simplicity for the user, which is more inline to my own ideas. That is why I now want to focus on GNOME."
Looking forward wether this is legal in the EU since data mining is afaik not legal in the EU.
Court Confirms GPL Valid in Germany (posted on 23/07/2004)
The German GPL Order - Translated (posted on 25/07/2004)
It's just not tested in the US court. Or, more specific: only in the German court.
If you're interested in spyware in open-source software check out openwares.org...
And what CAD applications run on the G5? Right.
What CAD application(s) does Lockheed use btw? PRO/E got ported to Linux recently.
How about Salvador Alende of Chili? Democratic chosen, thrown out by the USA...
http://www.dynebolic.org
By one of the developers of MusE IIRC. I know some artists who've used it, and who liked it.
PS: also see http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?t=2983
Just the non-violent pieces, please. News shouldn't be tied to a rule like this one. If something is violent or the result of violence yet important, it should be shown. I guess it boils down now to "being said" only on TV? Or the radio?
IRIX == MIPS.
The story i heard is that SGI tried to port IRIX to the Itanium but it got blasted off for whatever reason.
Developing the MIPS costs loads of time and expensive engineers. This is money SGI simply does't have. As you might be aware of their financial state isn't very good nor it has been the past few years. I can see where they're coming from at this point.
Finally i think they're pretty damn serious on this with NASA being the primary customer which they use to attract other customers.
At least that's how i see it.
I port software on my own IRIX machine. But it is rather slow (R10K Dual 195 MHz). What kind of machine do you have?
Did they ever actually "support" Netscape?
Depending on how you define "supported", yes. SGI also contributes to Mozilla btw, but i think mostly for portability reasons.
The machines we use have an older version of IRIX, which has SGI's compile of Mozilla 1.0.something that you speak of.
Which version? You should consider upgrading because a lot of FLOSS (including Mozilla) is ported to IRIX 6.5. Not to older versions anymore although there are several websites dedicated to this. Freeware.sgi.com still hosts various FLOSS for older IRIX versions (5.3 and 6.2) check out the FAQ over there, you'll have to dig a lil.
Sadly, I haven't seen newer versions of Mozilla on SGI's website for download nor have I seen newer versions of IRIX Netscape on the netscape site for download either.
Netscape 4.8 is available on SGI.com. It is however unsupported. What that means in this context is described in the "Dear valued customer" letters. Check for example the IRIX 6.5.24 release notes. I would describe it as: "Run at your own risk, we don't care if it works or doesn't (anymore)."
I will try SGI's version of FireFox as you suggested.
It is version 0.6 and named Firebird, though.
I can't find Mozilla on www.nekochan.net.
Click on "software downloads", then "contrib". There are various contributors over there. Check for example the Foetz builds. Or check their forums and search for "Mozilla" or "Firefox". Various other 3rd party builds exist on the Internet but these are 3rd party binaries; it is up to you to trust these.
PS: I'm not prof or something nor affiliated with SGI. Just a casual IRIX hobbyist.
Netscape support (4.x versions) was recently dropped by SGI. I have not perceived any indications SGI is gonna support the 7.x versions.
Instead SGI supports Mozilla. You can download Mozilla from them (freeware.sgi.com) and its distributed on the apps CD's (#4) of later IRIX 6.5 versions. Mozilla Firefox for IRIX is also freely available at freeware.sgi.com.
If you insist, you can get 3rd party builds which have newer / other features than SGI's builds. See for example http://www.nekochan.net for some builds. You could also build Mozilla or Mozilla Firefox yourself if you'd like to do so. http://oss.sgi.com has various tips and hints for this process. Also see the Nekochan build options and the forums for advice.
"Yes it is harder because you can directly use the BSD code while you can only do that with the GPL code if you are willing to publish your source with the binaries. That is a desirable effect maybe, but those who want to keep their software proprietary disagree. Result, they can directly use BSD code, they can only indirectly use GPL code."
That's not the desirable effect and also such proprietary situation was already existing before GIFT [my example] even started.
"If it were GPL licensed, it is extremely likely that it would not have been adopted widely as it is because doing so would have been more expensive for proprietary software makers. The 'proof'? Point me at any proprietary network protocol that is implemented as widely as TCP/IP. Why proprietary? because untill recently, there were very few companies even willing to consider using GPL licensed code, and when havign to write their own code anyway, they want to make some money on it directly."
Doesn't proof anything to me as it doesn't proof something like that with GPL isn't possible. I do agree it is more _likely_, just not that it is impossible or unlikely. That we're using TCP/IP here as example is ofcourse a naughty one given its part of the kernel thus proprietary UNIX vendors cannot use this code because of CONTRACTS. They can't put it in their proprietary kernel and open up their kernel because of that _even_ when they'd like to do so.
"I do not want to push license, and I use both"
You're contradicting yourself. If you license your code under the GPL and the BSD license while you don't want to push licenses, you are pushing a license with the GPL by putting your code under the GPL.
You try to push it as a rule of thumb for protocols. As i argumented, not by definition true. Sometimes GPL code can't even used on a different platform. I really depends on the situation, and i don't see how Samba or GIFT would be more succesful when they were BSD licensed.
If Sidious is Palpetine (which i assumed from PM) then who is the Dark Jedi Master who Yoda killed on Dagobah who's force is still present on the Dagobah cave as seen in ep 5 and which force made Yoda's presence unsensable?
Mara Jade continues to impress me. She's about the same age as Luke, so she was born at the same time. She has been Palpetine's left hand for quite some time although i don't know since when. Does anyone know this?
Palpetine actually had a covert ops Dark Jedi among him who secured him, did stealth operations, did intelligence ops, and eventually fell in love with Luke: Mara Jade. So there wasn't only 2 Siths, unless she wasn't a Sith and i don't really get the difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith.
In the CCG she has force 4 or something.
There are some amateur Star Wars movies floating around on the Internet (some are truelly fun, though most are short) and in one she's featuring. Damn hot, whew!
[Anyone interested in buying CCG (the _old_ game) cards with various main characters???]
How about: "Star Wars Episode III: The Lost Title"
Who cares about a title anyway...
It's a strength, not a weakness.
Wrong it is a very bad weakness.
You're all wrong. It is subjective, you're far from objective, and the subject in question has been food for many flamewars.
Completely wrong, it is THE ONLY REASON why different operating systems, OSS or not, speak the same protocols on the internet.
Silly wabbit! They don't. Many proprietary protocols, GPL protocols, etc have been cloned or reverse engineered even when they were standard. However not ALL. With GPL, one is able to port say GIFT to a proprietary UNIX and run it there. Voila, not any harder than that the software was BSD licensed.
To say TCP/IP never happened with one GPL implementation is a statement which isn't based on any solid grounds. The source is open, so people are at least able to learn from it if they don't wanna contribute to the GPL version. Makes way for GPL, proprietary and PD, BSD, etc just fine and more so than proprietary protocols. It does recommend GPL though because you can use the foundation itself which is already there. Fact is you want to use push license as much as you whine on GPL zealots. Pot, meet kettle.
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