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Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
HaloZero writes "The title was publicly revealed today in a special presentation to a packed audience of Star Wars fans at Comic-Con International in San Diego, California. The title wasn't the only surprise for those in attendance at the presentation. Click here for news about even more Star Wars DVDs in 2004 and 2005, surprise celebrity guests, new planets in Episode III, and more."
A USA Today reporter guessed this title over a month ago! We can't believe it.
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Last month we were reading this USA Today article at http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-06-14-ai
We forgot we had read it, but just now we went back to the article and remembered the final few paragraphs of the reporter interviewing Lucas at a gay AIDS banquet:
"We caught George Lucas wandering around the grounds with his daughter, Katie. The director said the title of Star Wars: Episode III won't officially be announced until November, when the first trailer hits theaters.
But he conceded that fans on Web sites already have guessed correctly. So we threw a couple of rumored titles at him: Rise of the Empire? "No, that's not it," Lucas said. How about Revenge of the Sith?
With that, Lucas smiled knowingly, backed away and teased, "That's a possibility. Lots of titles out there
Can you believe THAT?! He basically gave it away over a month ago and no one said anything for the most part!
Anyway, that's awesome, but we have some other suggestions. We just don't care for the title that Lucas picked.
Here. Here's a poll for your favorite GOOD Star Wars title.
Pick from the following and reply to this post with your favorite:
Star Wars Episode III: Dawn of the Empire
Star Wars Episode III: Final Strike
Star Wars Episode III: The Fallen Jedi
Star Wars Episode III: The Lost Prophecy
Star Wars Episode III: The Deception
Star Wars Episode III: Hope Lost
Star Wars Episode III: The Lost one
If you liked my post,
A far more honest title
I promised myself I wasn't going to get excited by Episode III, but that's a really good, appropriate title! Here's the AICN story with the logo, and here's the mirrored text:
Aside from the long-awaited revelation of the title of Episode III, fans had lots of Star Wars news to absorb and be excited about at the Star Wars Spectacular presentation at Comic-Con. Steve Sansweet, Head of Fan Relations for Lucasfilm, hosted the two-hour long panel, full of exclusive video clips and a number of surprise guests.
Much of the news centered around three simple letters: DVD. 2004 is the year to substantially expand your Star Wars DVD collection. While the Star Wars Trilogy is the biggest news for Force-fan videophiles, Sansweet announced the fall debut of Ewoks and Droids adventures on DVD. 20th Century Fox Home Video will release these animated adventures as well as the pair of made-for-television Ewok live action movies (The Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor) this November and December.
September 21, of course, is the release date for the Star Wars Trilogy on DVD. The presentation included clips of some of the bonus material found in the boxed set, as well as a first look at the animated menus that organize the wealth of information and options within. Jim Ward, Vice President of Marketing for Lucasfilm and Executive Producer of the DVDs spoke about the upcoming release, and announced that the epic feature-length documentary, Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy, would appear as a special edited-for-television edition on the A&E network this fall.
In other DVD news, Sansweet confirmed a projected release date for the much-asked-about Star Wars: Clone Wars DVDs. The incredibly successful 20 chapters of the Cartoon Network animated shorts will be making their home video debut next spring, around the same time as the airdate for the final batch of Clone Wars shorts from Genndy Tartakovsky and Paul Rudish.
But before that, an essential George Lucas film will make its DVD debut. Sansweet took the opportunity to screen the theatrical trailer to THX 1138: The George Lucas Director's Cut , as well as premiere an all-new trailer to the Comic-Con audience. This video will soon make its way to the official THX 1138 website, which will soon be posting a theater list for the select cities that will be exhibiting the film prior to its DVD release.
On the Episode III front, the biggest news was the confirmation of the Episode III title, and the availability of a shirt with said title at StarWarsShop.com. Sansweet also welcomed two very special Revenge of the Sith guests: Producer Rick McCallum, and the Chosen One himself, Hayden Christensen.
[ Comic-Con International 2004 ]Fans in attendance also got a first look at Hasbro's forthcoming packaging design for Episode III product. The stylized visage of Darth Vader looms large over a chaotic field of molten lava.
Star Wars Spectacular debuted an advance look at two pieces of Episode III-related video that will be found as bonus material in the Star Wars Trilogy DVD set. "Episode III: Making the Game" went behind-the-scenes on LucasArts' forthcoming tie-in video game. An edited version of "The Return of Darth Vader" revealed the gleaming Darth Vader armor from Episode III and showed Christensen donning the armor for the Dark Lord's debut.
For an in-depth account of the presentation, including exclusive imagery and select video, check out the expanded coverage available only to members of Hyperspace: The Official Star Wars Fan Club.
Where's Indiana Jones?
but man, it's sad that TPM was the best title of the prequel trio.
50 bucks says that revenge will sound too violent, and they movie will be renamed 'Return of the Jedi ^H^H^H^HSith' soon.
I'll go just to see the burial of the franchise
What's wrong with this title? It's the perfect mirror for Return of the Jedi.
The plot:
The Sith get kicked out of their house by the Jedi and have to move into the gym. They get mad, find a sponsor, then move in to beat the Jedi in the annual Corsucant fair and talent show.
The Sith reign supreme from then on.
When episode one first came out i was very excited, waited in line, and cheer when it started. How ever it was not nearly as good as I hoped, and many people probably feel the same way. When episode 2 rolled around i didn't bother waiting line, just saw it a week after it came out, still disappointed. I'm not trying to troll here but i don't know if i'll even go see episode 3, or just wait to rent it from blockbuster. Just hope they clean up there act.
"The renvenge of the teletubbies" would sure surprise me 100% more.
GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
After a first episode with a plot that resembled a sunday morning cartoon and a second episode that only the most hard core Star Wars fans could follow, how about something good this time?
Yeah, would be nice.
Star Wars III: Return of the Suckage
But surely anyone who really knows about the ways of the Sith will know that revenge just isn't in their nature...
This must be a fake title to throw unlicensed merchandisers off the scent.
A good choice. I like the title. It could have been much worse: Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of Jar Jar
how much more continuity Lucas is going to flush down the toilet with this film. He gives the book writers creative license but makes them follow a pre-determined origin and fate with the characters, and then totally pisses on them with the movies. Boba Fett is a prime example. In the books, he was Jaster Mareel before he was Boba Fett. His ship was custom made, not a stolen prison ship. The ship part was taken from the Bounty Hunter video game. It was a good game, but still didn't do a good job of repairing the Bobba/Jango/Jaster thing. LOL....I guess this post proves I have no life.
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It's even a better mirror when you consider that the original title of Jedi was "Revenge of the Jedi" (good nerds have drooled over the poster).
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in the title.
He wanted 'Revenge of the Jedi' but people prtested that Jedis do not seek revenge.
So now they have 'Revenge od the Sith'. Fine Sith is all about revenge, but what is it a revenge of? did a Jedi knock up palpatines sister and Now he wnats to get even? Did Obi-One park in the 'Sith of the months' parking spot?
Unfortuantly I have high hopes for this movie, becasue I know how he cold fit it all together...everything.
He won't.
Best case scenerio: He does fot it all together, and it is different than how I see it can come together...at they get someone who can act to play Anakin.
Interesting, the actor that play anakin can't act..and the actor who play's his son also can't act. hmmmmm
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Is this where we will see Anakin's son grow up, being an eye surgeon.
Luke: Ok just stay calm and
Obi-Wan: Luke. Use the force
Luke: Are you sure? cause
Obi-Wan: Just just use the force
Luke: ok fine
*woooin.... DZZZZZZZZZZZZZ* ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *thru the eye*
Luke: Are you happy?
Obi-Wan: I've never been happy
Then obi decides to get on a board and fight luke's father on lava while surfin?!
Star Wars Episode III: ROTS.
Yeah, that's likely pretty accurate.
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The whole prequel series has been the revenge of the Sith on Star Wars fans.
This is the dark side of the trilogy!
What exactly are the Sith "avenging"? I can't think of anything the "good guys" have done so far that wasn't provoked by the "bad guys", so as far as I can see there's no revenge here -- just business as usual for the bad guys.
But at least it won't have the crude racial propaganda
Pretty bold move by Lucas, using an anagram of "shit" in the movie title. You just KNOW that in media outlets that allow it, displeased reviewers will call this movie "Revenge of the Shit."
For that matter, this opens up great possibilities for movie poster defacement.
This guy already has a t-shirt http://freecache.org/http://www.np2k.com/forums/up loads/post-11-1090705417.jpg
...Stoned Beaver
No, seriously, this sounds *so* kewl. I wonder if it will have Ewoks in it?
I don't care if he calls it Gigli Part 2, just so long as the movie is actually good this time.
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Ambassador Kosh Naranek, Babylon 5
If you remember, the lead nerd of RotN was wearing a Vader mask when he screwed the jock's gf. HAHAHA
How appropriate is that connection?
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
Gee...I hope that's not an omen.
...would have been a far better title.
Stop the world; I need to get off.
fuckin gay nigger skywalker
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Oh yeah, I think they got a new one:
:)
Indiana Jones IV: The Nursing Home Adventures
Watch an aging Indy in a wheelchair fight off seniale ex-Nazis in a search for the bathroom so he doesn't have to use that bedpan any more. Yet when he gets there, a seniale ex-Nazi has the last roll of toliet paper! Watch as they battle it out with canes, and pause many times to take a breather and adjust their bifocal glasses.
See Indy wonder were Shortround is, and why he had him committed to the nursing home.
Watch as Indy trys to make a break and sneak past Nurses readying trashy novels during the night time hours.
Watch the drama that unfolds during the Bingo game.
Uh, yeah, right, whatever. That's another one I am not going to see.
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I'm not even a fan boy and I know that the Sith were beaten back (read: killed) from dominance in the galaxy by the Jedi. One of the reasons for the whole one master, one apprentice, live in secrecy yada yada yada....
./revolution
OH! You nailed that one! SNAP! dizam....
Dear Mr. Lucas,
If you must post here, please sign up to a Slashdot user account so we at least know it's you. Otherwise people will get the impression that someone really gives a crap about your stupid franchise anymore.
Kind Regards,
Boba Fett
Thank God, it's almost over. Soon we'll be able to leave these prequels behind us.
Science fiction is a lagging franchise. George Lucas could revive interest in it by tying together two major science-fiction themes: Star Wars and Star Trek. In Star Wars III, the Jedis briefly encounter a Vulcan spacecraft on their way to do battle with the Dark Force.
This brief encounter could become the basis of interesting plots in Star Wars 7, 8, and 9.
Let's face the harsh reality. After the triple blockbusters of Star Wars 4, 5, and 6, the audience for Star Wars has declined significantly, partially due to the declining talents of George Lucas. As for Star Trek, consider "Enterprise". Need I say more?
Jim Ward, Vice President of Marketing for Lucasfilm and Executive Producer of the DVDs spoke about the upcoming release, and announced that the epic feature-length documentary, Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy, would appear as a special edited-for-television edition on the A&E network this fall.
Okay, so this question isn't exactly about Episode III. Bear with me, please.
Does anyone know if this 'Empire of Dreams' documentary is going to include all the stuff from the "Making of..." specials they showed on TV in the 80s? Even though I was a kid at the time, I thought those things were fascinating. And I think today, after being innundated with all those "Making of..." featurettes on DVD which just feature some pasty-faced geek typing away at a computer, watching how spfx were done before computers would really be exciting to see again.
Does anyone know if that stuff is going to be included? Or is this new documentary just going to be a bunch of interviews with cast and crew, reminiscing about the good old days? Something tells me that Lucas would be hard-pressed to let people see the "archaic" (read: non-computer) means they used for spfx in the original trilogy.
GMD
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Since we're all wondering what "revenge" the Sith would be making in this film, why not "Rise of the Sith"? The title makes more sense than Revense of the Sith, and still has the implicit darkness about it. Oh well.
"I drank what?" -Socrates
They say that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different outcome.
But this new movie is going to be good. Really, it will. I have a very good feeling about it -- you can tell from the logo.
Lucas seams to be forcing the prequeals to be similar to the orginal movies. Too much so for my liking. After all, the title for Return of the Jedi was originally Revenge of the Jedi, but was changed later. There was even a trailer produced under that title.
The original title of Episode VI was "Revenge of the Jedi", so a bit of symmetry there.
(Apparently some of the crew all got t-shirts with that title on them, which are worth decent money now.)
-- Proud descendant of semi-nomadic cattle-herders.
Shouldn't that be Star Wars Episode III: Return of the Sith.
Can't wait for the Ewok battle.
This is two stories in just a few hours pushing the usual boring media hype about movies and games. How much is the slashdot crew making under the table for product placement?
Pile of Sith
An oldie but a goodie
Well, that describes my attitude towards the movie, anyways.
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"Interesting, the actor that play anakin can't act..and the actor who play's his son also can't act. hmmmmm "
Maybe it's genetic.
...if I thought it would contain nude pictures of Natalie Portman
Okay, I can't stop laughing at that one...that's flipping hiliarious!!!
So when is the Hawkeye movie coming out?
Sailors. Oh man!
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Why are they calling this the *final* star wars movie? I thought Lucas had originally planned nine stories? Did something change?
Because there were so many Sith, all with agendas of evil and domination, they inevitably clashed. After a big fight amoung the Sith, they decided that they should go with one master and one apprentice to avoid the internal fighting so that they could focus on combating their real enemies, the Jedi order.
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It just goes on and on about DVDs, t-shirts, masters and evil and crap. I don't give a shit, all I want to know about is Natalie Portman, and maybe some wet t-shirts. Can anyone fill me in?
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News about the Firefly movie is what I'm waiting to hear about from Comic-Con. I simply can't get excited about Star Wars anymore after the last movie. *sigh*
This must be someone's inside joke, right? Star Wars ROTS?
Oh, and rearrange the letters of "Sith" and see what you get. My sentiments exactly.
"Revenge of the SH***"
+1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.
That's a lot of DNA which will never get passed on.
I am a believer of momentum and curves.
So, the important question: is the DVD trilogy going to be the special edition or the untainted versions?
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Rise of the Empire or Fall of the Republic are titles that're better. It only took me thirty seconds to best Lucas, and I wouldn't have made Jar Jar, either. I should *so* become a director.
Well, at the beginning George Lucas planned a Triologie of Triologies (and, for some odd reason started with the 2nd Triologie... oh well)
But since Starwars 1 & 2 was met with rather lukewarm reception, he decided to call off the 3rd Triologie (for now)
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The article completely fails to mention rather or not the Original Trilogy DVDs include the original theatrical releases, or if it's the Special (special like the "short bus") Editions only.
If it's SE only, no sale. I'm not interested.
I WANT THE THEATRICAL CUTS DANGIT.
...But I Told You So!!!!!
Xenon, where's my money? -Borno
Yes, while thousands of fans (i.e. all that remain) celebrate Starwars III: Revenge of the Sh^Hith, truely enlightened fans prepear for the upcoming SEQUEL - Starwars VII Return of the Revenge of the Son of Jar-Jar (Part II) (Part I will be show as a Perquel at a later point)
Follow the exiting, universe-spaning adventures of the Clone of Jar-Jar's illegimate Son, trying to find his true destiny - and possibly a souvenier shop that gives credit.
Cry in emotion with him when he finally discovers that he truly is the Son of Jar-Jar and Luke Skywalker (rumors say, the heart-moving background story will be shown in Part I)
Feel joy when you leave the cineman and finally be sure - SW:Episode 1 and Clone Wars are no longer the worst movies in the SW universe.
Coming to a theater near you:Starwars VII Return of the Revenge of the Son of Jar-Jar (Part II)
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since that's what I really want to see. I admit it's a little amusing that the only Jedi who survive are the ones whose Padowan learners embraced the dark side.
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I downloaded the movie 2 weeks ago, got sued for it, sued Bram Cohen for inducing me to do it, and finally gave up and took Orrin Hatch out for ice cream.
What are the legal implications of making a DVD copy of the LaserDisc versions of the first three movies (Epis 4-6)? I own them on both LD and VHS, is this "space-shifting" or piracy?
It is SO choice to see it on a decent quality (LD to DV via RCA cables (not the best, I know, but adequate) and then via DVD Studio Pro to DVD) and see the version where HAN SHOOTS FIRST!
Before computers? Before realistic computer graphics, you mean. The motion-controlled miniature-effects cameras were mind-blowing new technology, and they certainly were operated by computer programs -- they could run the camera through precisely the same motion sequence, take after take, to photograph different elements in a shot to be composited later.
I certainly remember the "Making of" specials, and I'm dying to see them again. Hell, they may be the only reason I'll buy the IV-VI trilogy set when it comes out...I'd be more enthusiastic if I knew Greedo wasn't going to fire first.
And they didn't waste more than SEVEN SECONDS before starting the merchandising after announcing the title.
Goddamn! That rises to new levels of evil.
Wait, what about KOTOR when there were lots of sith?
You mean two sith kill all the jedi?
Wait.
HEY, I know. MAYBE LUCAS IS MAKING THIS SHIT UP AS HE GOES ALONG??!???
Fanbois, i'm not saying you can't love star wars, just please stop loving George Lucas. He is taking advantage of you.
The new first 2 movies follow the general flow of the original first two?
Episode 1 & 4:
They are being chased/hunted, making several escapes, narrowly escaping defeat. Each movie ends with a very clear ending and a large ceremony celebrating the victory.
Episode 2 & 5:
This episode tells a story with family ties. In the 5th episode, we find out that Vader is really Anakin. In the 2nd episode, we see anakin falling in love with Padme. Both episodes end in a continuation type ending, leaving more questions than answers, with no real closure.
Episode 3 & 6? Will 3 follow the layout of episode 6?
Does it seem like Lucas is using the cookie cutter approach?
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... How are they going to explain how the Star Wars Universe shifts from the overwrought CGI of Episode II to 70's-era blue screens, models and burned-in-film light sabers of Episode IV?
Geez, that's got to be the only appropriate use of a "Uranus" joke I've ever come up with....
The whole Star Wars thing was barely above being lame until Lucas trotted out the Ninja teddy bears. From the moment the first Ewok appeared on the screen, I knew the whole Star Wars saga was destined for the toilet. Sorry, George, but your masterpiece sucks total ass. It's a shame your pioneering effects had to be wasted on such a pathetic effort.
Hell I'm surprized this franchise is still going on - I was sure that number III came and went a few years ago. What a dud of a series.
The Fall of the Jedi
The original 6th episode title was Revenge of the Jedi; it was changed to 'return', as jedi are supposed to be the good guys, and therefore wouldn't seek revenge.
I still think the Fall of the Jedi is a better name... brings more of a connection between the two trilogies IMHO.
I haven't bought the singular dark-side=evil argument. Even Obi-wan stated that 'many of the truths you cling to depend upon a certain point of view', or something to that effect. There should be depth to these characters; even the most heinous of creatures in history have been motivated by a particularly breed of truth.
We are never really presented with the perspective of the dark side that can be rationalized. There's innuendo to some sort of quicker gratification through the dark side of the force, that it is more seductive, but we never see why people who fall to the dark side are bound to it. For conscious creatures to be bound to the dark side, they must rationalize their actions, and cling to a particular truth, so to speak. You'd go nuts, otherwise, eh?
I'm not sure I've seen this, in all of the Star Wars pictures; the dark side is still a shallow artistic license that begs for depth, that could have been eloquently explored in the prior two movies. I think we'll just get more muppets this time, though. Lucas's brain seems to have melted around the same time as the bronze bikini, too.
Originally the plan was to call it "Return of the Sith", but it was too non-violent so they changed it to Revenge.
Yet another signature that refers to itself. The irony and humor is dead.
I've been waiting decades to see it again...
For some reason. Mr. Lucas doesn't seem to want to release it. Or remember it...
The new original trilogy Star Wars DVDs are going to contain further changes beyond what was in the 'Special Edition' releases. Rumors are that Christian Haydensen will be digitally added in, replacing the original actor for Darth Vader (whose name I don't know and won't bother to look up). I'm sure there will be more changes. Whatever Lucas releases, it won't be what I saw as a nine year old child in 1977. Star Wars is an important cultural phenomenon which radically affected the late seventies. I remember seeing the film something like ten times with all my friends that summer, bugging our parents 'til they absolutely hated the movie. Empire was just as big, and I remember seeing that a bunch of times with friends too. None of us much liked Return of the Jedi though.
Lucas refuses to release his originals, as if by removing them from market they will cease to exist. A filmmaker who destroyed his own work in a Quixotic search for the continuing perfection of his one significant piece; without any new ideas, paths, or art to express. What about future historians who wish to research the cultural shifts the movie set in force or effects technology of that era? Lets hope there's a 35mm print somewhere in the Library of Congress somewhere safe. Yeah, he owns it. It's his copyrighted work. He should have every right to change it as he sees fit. But he shouldn't have the right to revoke history in the process. Yet another example of IP trampling culture.
So I bought the original trilogy in widescreen on Laserdisc. It's not anamorphic DVD, so I suppose it could look better. But it's what I remember as a kid. Cheesy model effects, the Guido murder Han, and all. Wonder if these old LDs will be worth something soon...
--Maynard
Am I the only one who doesn't really see the difference in special effects between the original and the SEs? DVDs don't make it that hard to have multiple chapter sequences. There aren't that many differences between the two, so I'm sure one DVD could hold both versions with just a little extra video.
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Mel Brooks to bring back Spaceballs to deliver us from suckage. Call it Space Balls Episode 2: Suck This Schwartz.
Note for anyone else only vaugly familiar with star wars. Wading through google showed that KOTOR=Knights of the old republic.
So is Sith George Lucas's nickname or something??
Didn't Lucas lose the inertia on his "epic" some thirty/forty years ago when he didn't invest in doing the follow-ups in a remotely timely fashion?
> Wait, what about KOTOR when there were lots of sith?
What about it?
> You mean two sith kill all the jedi?
Sure, why not? Two people could kill the entire US Army if they went about it in the right way.
> Wait.
For what? A brilliant revelation from you? I won't hold my breath.
> HEY, I know. MAYBE LUCAS IS MAKING THIS SHIT UP AS HE GOES ALONG??!???
Holy crap! An author is making stuff up? I'm glad you're here to tell us this stuff! Otherwise, we might never have realised!
> Fanbois, i'm not saying you can't love star wars, just please stop loving George Lucas. He is
> taking advantage of you.
Boy has a y in it, not an i.
Most of us don't love George Lucas. Some of us even think he's an ass.
Last year sometime I recieved a Word doc from a friend entitled StarWarsEP3_FirstDraft. I read a bit of it; it came across as pretty authentic but I always assumed it was a piece of well-done fan fiction. But the title is the same.... Maybe it's the real thing? Anyone else aware of a screenplay leak?
Don't buy the special edition DVD's and make a point of it to let them know why. Greedo does NOT FIRE FIRST!
I had a sucky sig.
A great disturbance in the Force, as if a million FanBoys cried out as one and then rushed out to queue up for Episode 3...
If everything followed the novels then everything would be too predictable in my opinion. If I recall Spiderman nor LOTR followed everything that happened in the comics or novels. But did this make the films less enjoyable? No, they didn't.
When Peter Jackson makes another sequel and it doesn't match up(which he will) will you be little him as well.
Atleast GL makes entertaining films for all ages not just SW fans which I give him credit for. Unlike LOTR most kids won't stay the 3 hrs to watch it. But they will for SW. Sometimes I think most forget that SW was designed more for kids and teenagers not some old adult. Remember critics and adults back in the late 70's said the orig. SW wouldn't make any money but it did, because it was written for the kids not the adults in mind.
You know your Geek when you complain about movie franchise continuity over the net
If I recall correctly, "Return of the Jedi" was known during production as "Revenge of the Jedi" lest someone figure out the "surprise ending". Maybe Lucas is pulling another bait and switch?
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Starwars Episode III title guessing - 07:19 AM March 12th, 2004 - Rejected
1) Revenge of the Sith
2) Revenge of the Empire
3) She Bangs
Eh. Whatcha gona do...
Here's what I can tell you about Episode 3.
As you know, primary filming is complete.
Definitely dead before the end of the film are Dooku, Mace Windu and Padme. Dooku gets killed by Anakin, perhaps with Palpatine watching; Mace may die in a duel with Palpatine or with Palpatine and Anakin [this may be when Anakin falls to the dark side]; Padme... well, stay tuned. What else may happen is that Yoda and Palpatine will have a fight.
So what everyone wants to know about is the final duel. Since this will be (supposedly) the last lightsabre duel Lucas ever films, he wanted to go all out on it. Sadly, the Ep I duel will probably go down as the most spectacular one, while the one in Ep 4 is the best one technically.
It begins with Padme (very pregnant) coming to visit Anakin. At this point, Anakin has already allied himself with Palpatine and is even more resentful of Obi-Wan than in Ep 2. Padme has brought Obi-Wan with her - the Jedi Temple on Coruscant has been attacked and many Jedi have been slaughtered. Anakin sees Obi-Wan and accuses Padme of betraying both his location and their marriage.
(Trivia: the line "Luke, *I* am your father." in Empire was originally, "Luke, Obi-Wan *was* your father." It was overdubbed in post.)
Anakin then draws his saber (the one Luke will inherit in Ep 4) and...
(Apparently, "Duel of the Fates" is not going to be used here, surprisingly enough, given its appearance in Ep2 during the desert chase sequence: perhaps it was used earlier during whatever went on with Mace Windu and now that Anakin has fallen, there is no more Duel of the Fates; the Darkness has won. If they can come up with something better, I'll be duly impressed.)
Here there were at least two different versions, and both or parts of both might have been made into the final version. I'll try to show both versions as coherently as I can:
1 Anakin attacks Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan defends himself. This probably looks a lot like
1 the Vader/Luke duel in 5 - Obi-Wan is not really trying to hurt Anakin. Padme
1 calls to Anakin to stop, he looks over to her - and in that moment of distraction,
1 Obi-Wan pulls Anakin's sabre out of his hands and it clatters away.
Both Enraged by Padme's seeming betrayal, Anakin Force-chokes or -throws her. She crumples,
Both severely injured, as...
(I think it's more likely here that he uses the force-throw; it's been suggested (see http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html ) that Vader's frequent use of the choke was a result of "[his] own helplessness under his permanent" breathing difficulties. Also, (different source) "Vader never was powerful enough in the Sith so as to use the Sith lightning, just as he was never powerful enough to regenerate his wounds. Indeed, he could never fully renounce the Light, because he had known love, first for his mother, then for Obi-Wan, then for Padme.")
2 Obi-Wan lights his sabre and the duel begins.
1 Anakin pulls out a second sabre - the Vader one - and lights it. Red blade. Obi-Wan's
1 shoulders slump, understanding. "You have betrayed us. You have betrayed us all."
1 "The Jedi betrayed me!" And the duel continues.
Both The duel covers several areas. Possibly, Anakin loses an arm (and continues to fight
Both one-handed) and/or loses a leg (and floats in midair by the power of the Force)
Both but Obi-Wan is better (and less wild) and drives him back to the edge of a volcano
Both or a lava pit.
2 Obi-Wan disarms Anakin (perhaps by slicing off his hand), deactivates his sabre,
2 and extends his hand. Anakin sneers and *steps backward off of the edge*, falling
2 into the lava. (Again, resonating very strongly with the scene at the end of Empire
2 with Vader/Luke)
1 Obi-Wan drives Anakin back into the lava, either by forcing Anakin back with his sabre
1 or Forcing him back with a force-push.
Both Obi-Wan briefly looks after Anakin (we hear
Someday computers are powerful enough, smart enough, that I could just render an entire movie myself in an afternoon or two, no actors? I give the computer broad outlines, it fills in details (maybe it comes up with a boner every once and awhile, so I bitch at it, "not like that!"). Think of all the movies that could be retold, so much better by the fanfic losers. I know, I know, 99.999% of them are retards, but even so, we could finally see something worth watching, and even worst case scenario, can it be any worse, any more laughable?
What if The Jedi council "removes" (though not necessarily assassinates) Anakin's mother? I mean, think of it as playing dirty in a custody dispute kind of thing. Anakin only learns of it as an adult... maybe they interfere, he never gets to speak to her before she dies. They could be all righteous, "we're doing it for the good of the universe, you'll be the most powerful, good Jedi ever" blahblahblah. Maybe they interfere with him and Amidala too... even in the first trilogy, they imply that he doesn't know he has children. We could do alot of things that are both plausible and would piss him off so much, make him hate so much, that Palpatine finds his opening to Anakin's heart. And we could even do it with a minimum of cheesiness. Cheesiness is for macaroni, not masterpiece movies. (Note: Anyone ever gets a chance to speak with Lucas, do me a favor and pass that bit of wisdom on, would you?)
We could have some intrigue, we could have more than a few factions (with the Jedi forced into the middle, like the guy trying to break up a barroom brawl) actually doing things. I mean damn. Even the UN isn't as worthless as the Galactic Senate, or whatever they call it. Instead of Jar-Jar and friends trying to save the planet, we can have interveners (who aren't hardly doing it out of the goodness of their hearts) saving Naboo. We could even add in real reasons the Trade Federation is doing the blockade, other than the Nabooian monopoly of the enviable Gungan demographic.
We could give Yoda the fight we really wanted to see. Instead of bouncing around like a toy you'd find outside of Kaybee's in the mall, Yoda hobbles up to the few dozen Sith, opens up his robe, and 4 or 5 hundred light-sabers fly out, all controlled by the force, spinning like sawmill blades and mowing down sith like wheat at the harvest. He doesn't even break a sweat. The Sith masters fighting to even stay alive, and maybe escape. Maybe the goddamn muppet can even have some doubts at the moral ambiguity that we'd paint into the Jedi picture. Maybe that's why he acts so silly in the first trilogy, he's an old man who can't bring himself to face what he has unleashed.
We can have more arms being chopped off.
The point is, that someday, we may actually be able to ignore garbage shoveled at us by pricks like lucas. So don't despair.
honestly... is it that hard to put it in a real poll?
Pick from the following and reply to this post with your favorite:
Star Wars Episode III: Dawn of the Empire
Star Wars Episode III: Final Strike
Star Wars Episode III: The Fallen Jedi
Star Wars Episode III: The Lost Prophecy
Star Wars Episode III: The Deception
Star Wars Episode III: Hope Lost
Star Wars Episode III: The Lost one
Star Wars Episode III: Sex with a mare
Darth Vader says: Dont fail me again.... Lucas.
Aside from the long-awaited revelation of the title of Episode III, fans had lots of Star Wars news to absorb and be excited about at the Star Wars Spectacular presentation at Comic-Con. Steve Sansweet, Head of Fan Relations for Lucasfilm, hosted the two-hour long panel, full of exclusive video clips and a number of surprise guests.
Much of the news centered around three simple letters: DVD. 2004 is the year to substantially expand your Star Wars DVD collection. Fans are clamouring to get these DVDs. There have been numerous instances of fans -- in a blind, consumption-driven rage -- killing families in the mall to collect enough money for the pending release. If the reader has any doubt about the massive, pent up demand for this most tremendous release, he should have her his head examined. It is expected that the marketplace will reward this fall's most attentive consumers with this fine reward, miss this and you will wallow in the shallow, unfulfilled morass of the have-nots.
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ride, Sally ride.
Lucas has finally realized that a) he can't write dialogue and b) fight scenes require no dialogue*. Also c) sabrefights are flashy and expensive and people like them. Therefore d) look for lots of sabrefights.
He's also realized that e) the great majority of his audience were fans of the originals and f) repeating yourself requries no creativity therefore g) he'll throw in as many references to the originals as possible. (Tatooine, the bots, Jabba, Chewbacca...)
(*: however, the right dialogue can greatly improve a fight scene, especially a duel. See "I want my father back, you son of a bitch! ")
if the answer isn't violence, neither is your silence / freedom of expression doesn't make it alright
the resemblence to the emporer is uncanny
OooUUuu yah! the entire ewok tv saga on DVD and 2 movies on another whoopiee!
Hehheheh Im suprised no-one noticed this underwhelming news.
Not that I should care, but...
KOTOR happens just about 1k years before the events in the prequels. Siths were abundant them. And in ep. III they're supposed to take their revenge. I am the only one that thinks TPM was a much worse title? Revenge of the Sith seems no worse than Return of the Jedi for me.
Where is that guy who'd die defending what I had to say when I need him?
I know alot of people thought EP2 sucked, I, personally liked it, yea it had some weak points, and true to the whole series, the main "actor" isnt much of an actor, BUT, I also read the EP2 book before the movie came out, and the book is killer, there are many things left out of the movie i think should have made it, and vice versa. But check out the books, its worth while even if you didnt care for the movies.
We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully "designed" to have come into existence by chance.
only one person would dare give me the rasberry...
Star Wars III: "After This, It's Back to Howard the Duck"
You have to keep in mind that A New Hope was tacked on later when Lucas started this whole fucked up mess it was *not* there in 1977 and I should know cause I was.
It actually is. The very first line in the scrolling text at the beginning says, "Episode IV: A New Hope"
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Seriously. I like Lucas, but he fooled me twice already.
It depends...would you consider yourself rich? If you are poor (or black) then it's illegal for you. If you are rich, then they will look the other way.
John Rhys-Davies is less than two years younger than Harrison Ford.
That being said, Sean Connery was ~59 when Last Crusade was released. Harrison Ford just turned 62 a few weeks ago. That blows my fucking mind...
That'd get quite a few people to go.
Hmmm, that's funny. I read the USA Today article, and I didn't read anything about the banquet being exclusively for afflicted homosexuals (such as yourself).
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Trolls
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
And if you think that's stealing, you can go fuck yourself. George Lucas released a film in 1977 and he doesn't get to retract that from the world. If it were officially released, i'd pay what he wanted, but the special editions are just that. It's an older man looking back on his work and wondering what could have been. It's petty and it's wrong.
Star Wars is a piece of art. In its original incarnation. That's what we were shown for 25 years and sold for over half our lives. Now that we've made an empire, we get to live under its rule?
I'm not saying all files should be free. I'm not saying you should rob artists blind, but George Lucas is a billionare and Star Wars is a landmark film in American Cinema.
It's not only stupid to deny it to the public, it's impossible
He's ten times the man Connery will ever be. Indy pwnzs.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Wasn't Return of the Jedi supposed to be called Revenge of the Jedi? I seem to remember, as a kid, seeing someone really excited about having a movie poster with the wrong name on it... If so, can we expect this to be released as "Return of the Sith"?
No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.
gives a shit
Most people over the age of 12 haven't seen episodes I and II.
We certainly don't care about episode III.
Because I liked the first movie. Accepted the next two. Abhorred the subsequent ones. Resent Lucas's retroactive tampering with the one good movie - calling it "Episode 4" and adding show-off effects that don't fit.
When people try to determine the "facts" of the Star Wars universe, they demean themselves by sifting through this cynically cranked-out junk as if it were penned by Tolkien or Asimov. The people who hacked together these scripts must be laughing their asses off watching fanboys argue about how lightsabers work or whatever. I'm sure the scriptwriters knew less than the average fanboy about such things. They just pulled the script out of their nether regions.
Therefore I like it.
(The "attack" of the clones was barely even an attack until the post-film cartoons, and it had very little to do with the purpose of the second film in the trilogy. Then again, "Attack of the Clones" is better than "Send in the Clones", and it echoes the cheesiness of past Star Wars films that we've come to expect, and considering the equally goofy name "Star Wars" in the first place, we should have little room to complain. Therefore I like it.)
I got a word doc from a friend months ago, a screenplay that appeared to be for EP3. I assumed it was a fake, although it was a very good one. Thing is, the title is "Revenge of the Sith." Maybe it's the real thing?
Star Wars Episode III: Droids Gone Wild
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It sure reads like Revenge of the Shit . It kind of reminds me of those FCUK signs for French Connection UK.
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1)Title = death. Revenge of the Sith? Even worse than "Attack of the Clones". The title of this movie would have been "Fall of the Republic" if it had turned out well. Since it didn't, he named it appropriately.
2)Animated and live-action Ewok adventures. There's the end of the story. Lucas has admitted to knowing how much ep3 will bomb right there. The franchise is so far gone, he's getting his losses back the only way he knows how anymore- make something even MORE ridiculous than Jar-Jar, that way at least you get enough media coverage to pay the bills.
I'm not seeing ep3, and neither should you.
Revenge for what? so far we have see the Sith playing in the background on both sides of the fight and even got the Jedis to fight along side the Sith Army of clones!!!
seems to me that the Sith are in need of anything but revenge.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
The real title will be the Return of the Sith.
Sun is dying!
My suggestions:
1) The return of Jar-Jar Binks
2) The return of the Ewoks
3) The return of the Ewoks AND Jar-Jar Binks
4) How Luke and Leia were made
Proposal number four might be entertaining to some Natalie Portman fans.
Proposal number four might also feature other interesting things such as whatever those pink nymphomaniacs in the Star Wars comic magazines were. They also were actually visible in the Episode IV Mos Eisley cantina scene... Actually there were some kind of funny samurai-spirited Goths in the Star Wars comics of the eighties as well... Anybody remember these things?
If Sidious is Palpetine (which i assumed from PM) then who is the Dark Jedi Master who Yoda killed on Dagobah who's force is still present on the Dagobah cave as seen in ep 5 and which force made Yoda's presence unsensable?
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I went to the Comic-Con today for the sole purpose of seeing the Sin City panel... for the sole purpose of seeing Jessica Alba in person. (Hey, can you really blame me? =)
Anyway, the Sin City panel was to take place immediately after the Star Wars thing (in the same hall). So I went in early and sat in on the last half hour of the Star Wars bit. This turned out to be just in time to see them show some preview stuff, and announce the name. Then Hayden came out, and there were questions from the audience. It was a very cool thing to be there for.
On another note, Sin City (based on the graphic novels by Frank Miller) looks as though it is going to be one of THE BEST movies of next year. Director Robert Rodriguez insisted on doing a translation of the stories (instead of an adaptation), and the preview they showed was amazing (it should be released online in about 3 weeks).
And yes, Jessica Alba was unbelievably stunning, drop-dead gorgeous, and every other synonym for beautiful that there is. I don't care what anyone says, she is the most perfect female specimen possible. =D
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What about Indy on the dark side? In the context of the Indiana Jones movies this would mean Indy joining the... Nazis.
After all, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to the dark side. Or maybe Indy just gets fascinated by the black uniforms and blonde ladies.
If this has to happen in the fifties maybe the escaped lead nazi has decided that there should be only two nazis, a master and an apprentice.
Apparently there's another storyline. that has something to do with a recurring bout of indigestion...
Check out the main Star Wars site. It has a picture of Vader before the helmet and the respirator.
Or did you think Anakin only decided to become Palpatine's apprentice after Obi-wan dumps him in the lava?
It's Lucas's story - let him tell it the way he wants to. If you don't like it, fine. But it is still his story to tell - we, the viewers, don't make those decisions. We can only decide whether we like something or not - that's it.
n/t :P
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
He gets ripped for making things different in Ep 1-3, and gets ripped for making them the same as well?
They're movies. The first series was great because of its special effects at the time and people still like them because of their Coke-like qualities (familiarity, reminds us of childhood, etc).
The new ones are just sci-fi movies in a time where there are too many sci-fi movies. I like'em, but they're not amazing. The bar was set too high.
Go buy or rent Knights of the Old Replublic, and/or pick some of the Tales of the Jedi graphic novels, possibly avalible at your local library. Good back story on the sith and their beef with the jedi.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
I wonder if anyone with access to the the LaserDisc versions of the original trilogy and/or THX 1138 ever bothered to make an MPEG2 release to burn on DVDs? And to release that on any P2P?
Its still his creation. Ever think he wanted to change these things twenty years ago but couldn't due to technology constraints?
There is a time when a work of art ceases to belong solely to the artist, and becomes its own independent entity. The movies that he made and released back in the 70s and 80s have passed far beyond his ability to control their destiny, how they are loved/hated, and the what they mean to people. To do so it a completely vain exercise.
Imagine Beethoven going back years later, after his music had been played and circulated widely, and touching up his symphonies - telling people to essentially ignore his previous drafts. It would just degrade the artwork, and it starts to chip away at the work's original integrity and feeling. If Lucas wasn't satisfied with what he had to work with, he shouldn't have made the movies at that time. The Special Edition's shouldn't have been made, but even if he decided to make them he shouldn't try to wipe away signs of the previous work. He needs to show it the respect it deserves.
Not only does God definitely play dice, but He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen. -Hawking
The passion of jar jar. Contents: Jar jar being tortured for almost three hours by the emperor....
is going to make me watch this abortion of a franchise. Fucking die Lucas you are as creative as a brain damaged cabbage.
My sources there tell me he still doesn't understand why nobody likes Jar Jar!
> That's a lot of DNA which will never get passed on.
Posting that comment on Slashdot? Hello pot, kettle on line two!
There is, regrettably, also some revisionism from Lucas about various things. "It was always about these twins, a brother and a sister." Um, not in the early drafts when it was still *The* Star Wars, it wasn't. And Vader wasn't always Luke's father, either, since in the first draft Vader was just one of several evil generals who got blown up at the end. Hell, in the first draft Luke Skywalker was an old man!
But now that Lucas is a billionaire he can change history however he wants, I suppose. Apparently Greedo *still* shoots first in the DVDs...
You must think in Russian.
Nothing says Star Wars like Bea Arthur and Art Carney.
Don't know about the Star Wars Holiday Special? Google for it. You won't be disappointed.
SW1 sucked. SW2 sucked even more. SW3 will suck beyond any kind of measure. I refuse to see that crap.
I'm not buying the new DVD set. I have the original trilogy on bootleg DVD, purchased overseas. They're not great quality, but they are widescreen and have been pulled from the original trilogy Laserdiscs by the looks of them.
I also owned the VHS trilogy at one point, as well as the Special Edition Laserdisc trilogy when they came out.
Since Lucas has told everyone the original trilogy is dead, and since I have shelled out more than once for them, I figure it's carte blanche to copy them onto DVD for future generations to have a good quality record of how the originals looked.
I for one fervently hope that someone such as yourself who has the original trilogy on Laserdisc or better, and has high grade digital restoration equipment, can re-encode the original trilogy on DVD for all those of us who consider them to be much better than the new editions.
Create a DVDR set with just the movies and DD5.1 sound (with new digitally created subtitles for alien voices etc) and put them up on BitTorrent, and I guarantee you'll be famous among a large proportion of Star Wars fans (of the originals) and can sleep at night knowing you have preserved one of the most influential trilogies ever produced from being consigned to the dustbin of history.
Visceral Psyche Films
Oh...
He must be new here...
One of the things that put me off Star Wars : THe phantom menace, was those 'celebrities' playing roles, that totally f*cked over the Universe.
Come on, Samuel L. Jackson as one of the wise guys... Seriously...
Amusingly, the cartoon effort this time, Clone Wars, was much better than the movies. Clearly the suckage is in the wrong spot.
We're now calling it "The Freedom", and Palpatine is a "Freedom Lord"...
Jar-Jar - http://members.rott.chello.nl/cplanken/vedman_grou ndjarjar.jpg
Surely you mean: "the tortuous, painful demise of all Gungan, especailly Jar-Jar"? :)
Everything is about when you were a kid. When you were a kid this, when you were a kid that. Is this some sort of irregular fixation that you have? Who gives a shit besides your nerd fanboys and their ilk? Oh, and would you do me a favour hun? I'd appreciate it if you didn't use so many acronyms. It's getting your gay all over my retinas.
This is right on the money.
There's still VII, VIII and IX to go, which will, no doubt, not only be in the "New Lucas" style, but will primarilly feature the offspring of Solo and Leia, no doubt having lots of kookie adventures involving both ewoks and Jar-jars great grand-tadpole...
kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
Episode I: The Search for Anakin
Episode II: The Search for Shmi
Episode III: The Search for Padme
Episode IV: The Search for Droids
Episode V: The Search for Luke, Han, C-3PO, and the Millennium Falcon
Episode VI: The Search for Han, Leia, and Anakin
I know for the last two, we had hundreds of nerds camping out in front of movie theaters to get it. The first because they loved the first 3 movies and the second because they were all convinced that the phantom menace was a abnormally. But after two crappy movies (3 if you count Return of the Jedi, though that wasn't nearly as bad), does anyone really want to see the third? Does anyone really think Lucas will be able to recover?
Mathematics is made of 50 percent formulas, 50 percent proofs, and 50 percent imagination.
please watch "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom", they put a spell on him that turned him bad, but Shortround broke it.
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I saw that movie already. It was called Bubbe Ho-tep. Only it was an elderly Elvis and a black JFK fighting a mummy. Otherwise, basically the same.
Wow, that's a really interesting comment. Thanks for a good counter-example to the arguments against Lucas retroactively changing his work. However, Stravinsky wasn't in a position to alter prior copies of his original work like Lucas can do by letting deteriorating 35mm prints and videocassette fade to oblivion and expressly forbidding new copies of the old work. Stravinsky would have to have changed his prior work and then actively removed access to the originals to better compare - and in such a scenerio future filmmakers would be unable to learn from Lucas's changes as composers currently learn by analysing Stravinsky's updates.
Thanks again,
--Maynard
Dumb dumb dumb. That shit belongs to George Lucas. It doesn't belong to "society" yet. He could edit in aliens that look like penises if he chose to do so. You have a pretty twisted idea of what Intellectual Property is, by all accounts.
I like that theory, in that it dismises the "jedi can't count to two" thing.
The only problem is, if the surviving sith made the rule _after_ the jedi thought they had destroyed all the sith, how do the jedi know about the rule? If they heard about the rule at all after that point, believing it to be true would presupose believing there were sith around to make the new rule, which would contradict their belief that they had already killed all the sith.
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Star Wars 3: Dude, Where's my Jedi?
Star Wars: Revolutions
Star Wars 3: Pretty boys and red-hot lava
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I dunno...in my memories ESB seems like a great movie, but whenever I actually *watch* it I feel differently. The Hoth and asteroid scenes are great, but a lot of the rest seems to drag on when I actually watch it.
I think that if the Ewoks weren't such an easy target for hatred, people would love RoTJ. I loved the intercutting of the Ewok battle/space battle/emporer battle as much as anything in the trilogy.
Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had?
They showed it at a comics convention? I can hear the Comic Book Store Guy now, "Worst sequal EVER!"
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
Everyone knew it. I've known this would be the title for over a year. Not officially of course, but it's the obvious choice. Think about it. !snap
"Yeah, a shrink ray! Just like that time on Muppet Babies!"
He will take over this film. Unfortunatly he will meet a weak ending. !snap
"Yeah, a shrink ray! Just like that time on Muppet Babies!"
what about episode 3: sith happens...
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