The capability to eliminate lag exists. I didn't say it can currently be applied to all forms of serving video or all data rates. Swarming might help there.
The grandparent post seemed to be taking the position that buffering would be a perpetual necessity, i.e. that as long as there was streaming, there would be lag. This is not necessarily the case. It is true that currently there is no easy way to avoid it for very large video sizes and data rates. However that is just a limitation of connection speeds and processing power.
Yeah I realize swarming is the new part. It was just that (at least to me) the article summary made it sound like those capabilities were new to streaming.
I don't understand how you can see something without a lag if you can't download it in real time?
You can. That was the point I was trying to make. There are plenty of connections out there fast enough to download video in real time, provided the data rate is reasonable.
They are hardly good enough to replace regular TV or way off from DVD or HD content.
Well that's obvious, but I wasn't referring to DVD or HD content. Streams at those data rates are basically nonexistent on the net today because very few connections can utilize them. I was referring to the more standard video formats that are used for streaming today, some of which can yield very good quality at a data rate far below what DVD or HD uses.
That is incorrect. Instant On has to do with streaming, not progressive downloading. The two are different.
Progressive downloading is where you download something like http://www.whatever.com/movie.mov in a web browser and it starts to play as soon as part of it is downloaded. You can then skip to wherever you want once you have downloaded that part (because at that point all you are doing is scrubbing through a movie file stored on your local machine.)
Streaming is where you load something like rtsp://stream.whatever.com/something.mov into a video player and it streams it to you. At no time during that process is anything stored on your local mahcine aside from what you are currently viewing and whatever the client has buffered ahead of that. Instant On instructs the server to skip the stream to another section.
Agreed but I was referring to the part of the summary that says "a new technology called swarmstreaming that allows smooth progressive playback of content, skipping ahead, and random access without downloading the entire file." The implication seemed to be that this "new technology" was giving us these new capabilities, which I was just pointing out weren't all that new. This is just a new implementation of those that happens to use swarming.
"Skipping ahead" Will skip to a part of the clip that you may not have. This=lag
The technology to eliminate lag already exists and has been implemented. I have used it myself.
What's more, usually you cannot download one second of movie in one second of time, unless you have a crazy tricked out connection.
What nonsense. Have you ever downloaded a trailer from here? If the trailer starts to play immediately when you start downloading (i.e. the gray progress bar proceeds faster than the location marker), then you are downloading 1 second of movie in a time faster than 1 second. I can assure you that millions of people have a connection fast enough to do this.
This means that if you skip to a part you haven't seen yet, you will have to wait even longer for buffering.
Again, not necessarily. Buffering is when the streaming software requires that you download x amount of content ahead of the time you actually view it to account for inconsistencies in the stream or packet loss. If those can be eliminated, and connections made fast enough, there is no empirical reason why buffering must continue to be utilized.
Ok, so what you're telling us that this story is a dupe of a dupe of a dupe?
No. In order to qualify as an official "dupe," a story must be posted an unreasonably short amount of time after one nearly identical to it, or in such a way as to give comments under said story the grounds to mock the incompetent discernment exercised by a mod in posting the story.
The guys from Ohio had bad-a55 Mustang muscle cars that could do the quarter mile in 3-4 seconds, but couldn't handle for 5hit.
That's BS. No street car can do the quarter mile in 3-4 seconds. Even for top fuel dragsters (with much more power and much less weight than a street car) the average range is 5-6 sec. The fastest time a street car can achieve is generally in the 8-9 range, and even that is rare.
This is good because it is completely amazing to me how the adware/spyware problem has received very little coverage in the media, certainly orders of magnitude less than the spam problem. We have seen many stories on/. over the last few weeks about how millions of Windows boxes are so infested with spyware that they are basically unusable, and yet most non-technical people still seem ambivalent.
If the same amount of effort currently used to fight spam is not applied to the spyware/adware situation, it will get just as bad if not worse than the spam problem.
As intrusive and annoying as spam is, at least it's influence doesn't extends past your email client. Spyware has the potential to totally screw up machines that do important tasks, which could be far more harmful.
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This was mentioned in another story last night but I thought it was funny.
If you go to the page and type "George Bush is a" you get some interesting suggestions.;)
Apple products have the same lock-in that MS products do with very little advantage and all at a higher price.
I would agree with the first part of that statement, however if you are really saying you think OS X has very little advantage over Windows then I'd have to say you're an idiot.
If your toaster radiates an electric field that could disrupt communications within a 6 inch radius, then yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC chose to exercise supreme dominion over that.
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Already digitizing the Harvard library?
No.
Now, how does this "already exist"?
The capability to eliminate lag exists. I didn't say it can currently be applied to all forms of serving video or all data rates. Swarming might help there.
The grandparent post seemed to be taking the position that buffering would be a perpetual necessity, i.e. that as long as there was streaming, there would be lag. This is not necessarily the case. It is true that currently there is no easy way to avoid it for very large video sizes and data rates. However that is just a limitation of connection speeds and processing power.
Yeah I realize swarming is the new part. It was just that (at least to me) the article summary made it sound like those capabilities were new to streaming.
I don't understand how you can see something without a lag if you can't download it in real time?
You can. That was the point I was trying to make. There are plenty of connections out there fast enough to download video in real time, provided the data rate is reasonable.
They are hardly good enough to replace regular TV or way off from DVD or HD content.
Well that's obvious, but I wasn't referring to DVD or HD content. Streams at those data rates are basically nonexistent on the net today because very few connections can utilize them. I was referring to the more standard video formats that are used for streaming today, some of which can yield very good quality at a data rate far below what DVD or HD uses.
That is incorrect. Instant On has to do with streaming, not progressive downloading. The two are different.
Progressive downloading is where you download something like http://www.whatever.com/movie.mov in a web browser and it starts to play as soon as part of it is downloaded. You can then skip to wherever you want once you have downloaded that part (because at that point all you are doing is scrubbing through a movie file stored on your local machine.)
Streaming is where you load something like rtsp://stream.whatever.com/something.mov into a video player and it streams it to you. At no time during that process is anything stored on your local mahcine aside from what you are currently viewing and whatever the client has buffered ahead of that. Instant On instructs the server to skip the stream to another section.
Agreed but I was referring to the part of the summary that says "a new technology called swarmstreaming that allows smooth progressive playback of content, skipping ahead, and random access without downloading the entire file." The implication seemed to be that this "new technology" was giving us these new capabilities, which I was just pointing out weren't all that new. This is just a new implementation of those that happens to use swarming.
"Skipping ahead" Will skip to a part of the clip that you may not have. This=lag
The technology to eliminate lag already exists and has been implemented. I have used it myself.
What's more, usually you cannot download one second of movie in one second of time, unless you have a crazy tricked out connection.
What nonsense. Have you ever downloaded a trailer from here? If the trailer starts to play immediately when you start downloading (i.e. the gray progress bar proceeds faster than the location marker), then you are downloading 1 second of movie in a time faster than 1 second. I can assure you that millions of people have a connection fast enough to do this.
This means that if you skip to a part you haven't seen yet, you will have to wait even longer for buffering.
Again, not necessarily. Buffering is when the streaming software requires that you download x amount of content ahead of the time you actually view it to account for inconsistencies in the stream or packet loss. If those can be eliminated, and connections made fast enough, there is no empirical reason why buffering must continue to be utilized.
this is surely a record, ZERO comments and the site's already slashdotted
You must be new here.
smooth progressive playback of content, skipping ahead, and random access without downloading the entire file
Quicktime has had all that for several years. Apple called it "Instant On". I think both Real and Microsoft already use something similar.
Too bad it's against the Paypal TOS for people under 18 to have accounts.
Ok, so what you're telling us that this story is a dupe of a dupe of a dupe?
No. In order to qualify as an official "dupe," a story must be posted an unreasonably short amount of time after one nearly identical to it, or in such a way as to give comments under said story the grounds to mock the incompetent discernment exercised by a mod in posting the story.
IE 5.2 does support part of CSS2.
Well, you're making the assumption of starting from 0.
Dude that's what a "quarter mile time" means. Do you even know what you're talking about?
The guys from Ohio had bad-a55 Mustang muscle cars that could do the quarter mile in 3-4 seconds, but couldn't handle for 5hit.
That's BS. No street car can do the quarter mile in 3-4 seconds. Even for top fuel dragsters (with much more power and much less weight than a street car) the average range is 5-6 sec. The fastest time a street car can achieve is generally in the 8-9 range, and even that is rare.
This is good because it is completely amazing to me how the adware/spyware problem has received very little coverage in the media, certainly orders of magnitude less than the spam problem. We have seen many stories on /. over the last few weeks about how millions of Windows boxes are so infested with spyware that they are basically unusable, and yet most non-technical people still seem ambivalent.
If the same amount of effort currently used to fight spam is not applied to the spyware/adware situation, it will get just as bad if not worse than the spam problem.
As intrusive and annoying as spam is, at least it's influence doesn't extends past your email client. Spyware has the potential to totally screw up machines that do important tasks, which could be far more harmful.
This was mentioned in another story last night but I thought it was funny.
;)
If you go to the page and type "George Bush is a" you get some interesting suggestions.
If you feel safe, just think of how your children feel now.
Apple products have the same lock-in that MS products do with very little advantage and all at a higher price.
I would agree with the first part of that statement, however if you are really saying you think OS X has very little advantage over Windows then I'd have to say you're an idiot.
Well, that site is run by a bunch of teens. What did you expect, that they would actually be able to afford bandwidth or something?
Most people get basic sentence structure right. Where I see a horrid batch of grammar crimes in in suffixes
Keyword *most*.
You're right. I just meant that it has been considerably more overt recently.
Why do you think interest groups are engaging in these kinds of actions?
Because other "interest groups" have recently proven that politicians will usually bow to your wishes if you bitch loud enough.
10. I make so much that I started my own label so I could hoard even more from other artists.
sudp cp /etc/ttys.applesaved /etc/ttys
No need to use sudo in single user mode. You are already root.
Do FCC regulations apply to my toaster?
If your toaster radiates an electric field that could disrupt communications within a 6 inch radius, then yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC chose to exercise supreme dominion over that.