...The one question I wanted an answer to (asked by the wxMozilla core developer about the separation of GRE and XULRunner, etc. from Mozilla) didn't really get asked because Roblimo claimed Mitchell had answered it in the previous question. But of course, he didn't.
This is a really important question for a lot of developers: When can we integrate Gecko in a project without (a) it depending fully on Mozilla or (b) including a whole entire of the GRE bundled?
Yes, but before even *that* I'd like to see XULRunner being separated from the Mozilla codebase so that people actually have incentive to write XUL apps for something other than Firefox extensions.
I agree with you. Now try explaining that to every 2nd person who posts on the GNOME mailing lists requesting a menu editor (GNOME doesn't have one, but you can right-click to edit it).
Needless to say, it's coming in 2.12
The screenshots look very "crystallic" and it looks like it's full of eye candy, but I think I'll stick with GNOME.
I can't see myself using NeroLINUX, simply because K3B is already an extremely polished and easy-to-use application. CD burning is one of those things where I just can't be bothered to do anything advanced -- I just want to set my device permissions and have the nice GUI tell my backends what to do.
By the way, I'm a die-hard GNOME user. But K3B is the one single KDE app I use. That should give a pretty good idea of how highly I personally regard it, and I know others do as well.
I'm a little embarassed too, but if the ruling is upheld, I will gain more confidence in the system than ever before. Everyone makes mistakes, I guess that's inevitable. But if the mistakes can be fixed with few or no repercussions, then there's no point in holding a grudge I suppose.
I'm a Canadian, so this partially affects me. I think it's good that we have corporations and organizations at our back defending our right to say what we want to say on the Net.
Even though they don't really give a rat's ass about us personally (they probably somehow see this is as potential harm to their revenue) I'm glad they're stepping in and doing something about it.
Mr. Bangoura said, "I have total confidence in our system of justice." So do I.
Funny, I don't know of a single "business person" who would need VBA. I bet if you ask just about any "Joe Businessman" what he/she uses Office for, they respond with things that OpenOffice.org, or any other office suite, could accomplish *easily*.
I think a word processor is a very personal thing. I personally can't use anything but LyX when it comes to most "real" document processing.
If just jotting down quick notes, however, I really don't care -- because the basic functionality of all word processors (except LyX since it isn't really one) is extremely similar. OpenOffice.org, AbiWord, Wordperfect, Word... doesn't matter to me for quick notes.
...Then maybe the next version of StarOffice will be StarOffice 9, since Sun obviously thought the jump from 1.0 to 1.1 was worth a jump from 6 to 7... . .
Yeah I agree. I would certainly not call GNOME as a whole bloated these days. Since 2.6 or so they've begun to clean things up quite a bit, especially with Nautilus. It's actually usable now...
And as for the people complaining about memory usage... if you're running "top" with 512 MB of RAM and go "omg, 431520k used! It's GNOME's fault!" -- well then I don't know what to say to you. That is simply how Linux allocates its memory -- it uses almost all of it at any given time and distributes it between applications.
You're right, it is less bloated. But the point is that they're still using some ugly, closed-source GUI library, and that they fully neglected Linux users for one whole major version.
Sure, they announced a 'beta' of version 7 for Linux, but has anyone ever *seen* it? They cancelled the public beta after a few days. So it's not so much that the product is a poor one (version 5.0.10 is pretty decent, really) but that they see Linux as a tier-2, unimportant platform. I truly hope that that changes in the near future as Adobe begins to embrace OSS.
...Searching for "Linux" using the site-only Google search on the opensource.adobe.com website, yields one result: http://opensource.adobe.com/pipermail/pythonphotos hop/2004-January.txt
And that one result no longer exists (you get a 404 when trying to access it). So if any of you folks are preparing to post "Oh boy, that means Photoshop for Linux is just around the corner!" -- you'd better think again.
I don't think the Foundation should even break a sweat worrying about the fact that Google has an undeniable tie to Firefox. So many users already use Google anyway, and I'm sure those that do not are aware of how to change their browser settings to use a different home page/search engine by default.
But I'm sure many people keep it as Google, just because it is a great start page, and loads really quickly.
From TFA, they mentioned how localized builds are a problem... If Google were to host the Start Page in different languages, would the Foundation not be able to set a different language version of the page in their localized builds?
Heh. Here's what we've come to learn over the past little while, I guess:
Red Hat = Linux
Microsoft > Red Hat since it announces less vulnerabilities
Therefore Microsoft > Linux by the transitive assumption...
Seriously though, that's the problem with EVERY SINGLE one of these "security studies" -- they don't "study" anything, but they do "research" -- and they always use the same, weak argument as described above.
"Their criteria included the number of reported vulnerabilities and their severity, as well as the number of patches issued and days of risk -- the period from when a vulnerability is first reported to when a patch is issued."
So Windows is more secure than Red Hat because Microsoft chooses to report less vulnerabilities and release less patches? Hmmm...
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...The one question I wanted an answer to (asked by the wxMozilla core developer about the separation of GRE and XULRunner, etc. from Mozilla) didn't really get asked because Roblimo claimed Mitchell had answered it in the previous question. But of course, he didn't.
This is a really important question for a lot of developers: When can we integrate Gecko in a project without (a) it depending fully on Mozilla or (b) including a whole entire of the GRE bundled?
Yes, but before even *that* I'd like to see XULRunner being separated from the Mozilla codebase so that people actually have incentive to write XUL apps for something other than Firefox extensions.
...Nothing yet.
I agree with you. Now try explaining that to every 2nd person who posts on the GNOME mailing lists requesting a menu editor (GNOME doesn't have one, but you can right-click to edit it).
Needless to say, it's coming in 2.12
The screenshots look very "crystallic" and it looks like it's full of eye candy, but I think I'll stick with GNOME.
I can't see myself using NeroLINUX, simply because K3B is already an extremely polished and easy-to-use application. CD burning is one of those things where I just can't be bothered to do anything advanced -- I just want to set my device permissions and have the nice GUI tell my backends what to do.
By the way, I'm a die-hard GNOME user. But K3B is the one single KDE app I use. That should give a pretty good idea of how highly I personally regard it, and I know others do as well.
I'm a little embarassed too, but if the ruling is upheld, I will gain more confidence in the system than ever before. Everyone makes mistakes, I guess that's inevitable. But if the mistakes can be fixed with few or no repercussions, then there's no point in holding a grudge I suppose.
I'm a Canadian, so this partially affects me. I think it's good that we have corporations and organizations at our back defending our right to say what we want to say on the Net.
Even though they don't really give a rat's ass about us personally (they probably somehow see this is as potential harm to their revenue) I'm glad they're stepping in and doing something about it.
Mr. Bangoura said, "I have total confidence in our system of justice." So do I.
Yes, you're absolutely right. That's called Block Pricing, and it's a very effective method of price discrimination.
...It says *right in the summary* that he still runs Linux on the machine. If you're not going to RTFA, at least RTFS.
:)
The G5 is a great, high-end machine, and I'm sure GNU/Linux is running very well on it for him
"Altruistic intellectual pursuits are one thing, a penguin t-shirt is completely another."
I'd prefer Napoleon Dynamite's helicopter shirt. To each his own, I guess.
...In which case, we'll pray that there's a CD-RW in the drive ;-)
Funny, I don't know of a single "business person" who would need VBA. I bet if you ask just about any "Joe Businessman" what he/she uses Office for, they respond with things that OpenOffice.org, or any other office suite, could accomplish *easily*.
I think a word processor is a very personal thing. I personally can't use anything but LyX when it comes to most "real" document processing.
If just jotting down quick notes, however, I really don't care -- because the basic functionality of all word processors (except LyX since it isn't really one) is extremely similar. OpenOffice.org, AbiWord, Wordperfect, Word... doesn't matter to me for quick notes.
You forgot to mention, that it has been confirmed by Netcraft.
...Then maybe the next version of StarOffice will be StarOffice 9, since Sun obviously thought the jump from 1.0 to 1.1 was worth a jump from 6 to 7. ..
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(it's a joke. Lighten up.)
Yeah I agree. I would certainly not call GNOME as a whole bloated these days. Since 2.6 or so they've begun to clean things up quite a bit, especially with Nautilus. It's actually usable now...
And as for the people complaining about memory usage... if you're running "top" with 512 MB of RAM and go "omg, 431520k used! It's GNOME's fault!" -- well then I don't know what to say to you. That is simply how Linux allocates its memory -- it uses almost all of it at any given time and distributes it between applications.
"Why? it's been here for a long time"
;-)
I personally prefer The GIMP to Photoshop, and I never said anything against the GIMP. But I think you know what I meant
You're right, it is less bloated. But the point is that they're still using some ugly, closed-source GUI library, and that they fully neglected Linux users for one whole major version.
Sure, they announced a 'beta' of version 7 for Linux, but has anyone ever *seen* it? They cancelled the public beta after a few days. So it's not so much that the product is a poor one (version 5.0.10 is pretty decent, really) but that they see Linux as a tier-2, unimportant platform. I truly hope that that changes in the near future as Adobe begins to embrace OSS.
...Searching for "Linux" using the site-only Google search on the opensource.adobe.com website, yields one result: http://opensource.adobe.com/pipermail/pythonphotos hop/2004-January.txt
And that one result no longer exists (you get a 404 when trying to access it). So if any of you folks are preparing to post "Oh boy, that means Photoshop for Linux is just around the corner!" -- you'd better think again.
...But please, release something worthwhile under an open source license, like the backend stuff for Acrobat or something...
And for the love of God, release Reader 7.0 for Linux, and do it soon!
I don't think the Foundation should even break a sweat worrying about the fact that Google has an undeniable tie to Firefox. So many users already use Google anyway, and I'm sure those that do not are aware of how to change their browser settings to use a different home page/search engine by default.
But I'm sure many people keep it as Google, just because it is a great start page, and loads really quickly.
From TFA, they mentioned how localized builds are a problem... If Google were to host the Start Page in different languages, would the Foundation not be able to set a different language version of the page in their localized builds?
Well if you "hope it's not the case" then why are you perpetuating it by not using Firefox? Don't mean to be inflammatory, just a thought, that's all.
Heh. Here's what we've come to learn over the past little while, I guess:
Red Hat = Linux
Microsoft > Red Hat since it announces less vulnerabilities
Therefore Microsoft > Linux by the transitive assumption...
Seriously though, that's the problem with EVERY SINGLE one of these "security studies" -- they don't "study" anything, but they do "research" -- and they always use the same, weak argument as described above.
"Their criteria included the number of reported vulnerabilities and their severity, as well as the number of patches issued and days of risk -- the period from when a vulnerability is first reported to when a patch is issued."
So Windows is more secure than Red Hat because Microsoft chooses to report less vulnerabilities and release less patches? Hmmm...
(Move along, nothing new to see here.)