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  1. Re:There May Still Be Hope on Our New Pearl Harbor · · Score: 2

    Anyone with information on survivor rates, please post them!

    Any geeks in the Manhattan area could perhaps start collecting names and posting them. Perhaps Slashdot can sponsor a page to help collate the names.

  2. Re:Why Palestinians might be pissed... on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    You are completely fucked up, buddy.

    Probably the same single fuckup that has tried to moderate my posts down, in the face of the dozens of up-moderations that they've received.

    Lots of people figure you're wrong. Perhaps you should listen to them.

  3. Re:Why Palestinians might be pissed... on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 2

    Which creates an environment in which these people grow up hating the USA, expecting to civilians to die in terrorist attacks, don't much value life, and remain fucked up.

    I dunno what the solution is. I doubt there is one. Someone needs to pay, but I'm not sure that will actually solve anything.

  4. News Links on Our New Pearl Harbor · · Score: 5, Informative

    From a site that seems to be working well:

    World Leaders react -- "The following are reactions from around the world to the disasters at New York's World Trade Centre and the Pentagon."

    Related Links -- US Gov't, US Military, NYC, Airlines, and Anti-Terrorism Resources.

    Who Dunnit -- the BBC "Within minutes of the horrific chain of events unfolding at the World Trade Center, information began emerging suggesting it was not a terrible accident but a terrorist attack."

    World Shock -- BBC "The attacks on New York and Washington have brought swift reactions of horror and condemnation from around the world."

    Notable quotable: "But Iraqi television played a patriotic song that begins "Down with America!" as it showed the World Trade Center's towers falling, The Associated Press news agency reported."

    America has made a permanent enemy of Iraq. I can't imagine how that will ever be changed. :-(

    Also worth noting that many mid-East leaders of all stripes and colours are denouncing this terrorist act.

    Don't paint all the mid-East with one brush. This terrorist attack was the action of a very, very small radical group that is roundly despised by many mid-East civilians.

    The more I watch this on television, the less real it becomes. Repetition = numb.

  5. Re:WORLD REACTION & LINKS on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 2

    Who Dunnit -- the BBC "Within minutes of the horrific chain of events unfolding at the World Trade Center, information began emerging suggesting it was not a terrible accident but a terrorist attack."

    World Shock -- BBC "The attacks on New York and Washington have brought swift reactions of horror and condemnation from around the world."

    Notable quotable: "But Iraqi television played a patriotic song that begins "Down with America!" as it showed the World Trade Center's towers falling, The Associated Press news agency reported."

    America has made a permanent enemy of Iraq. I can't imagine how that will ever be changed. :-(

  6. Re:Why Palestinians might be pissed... on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 1

    They're not sick: their religion -- *just like Christianity* -- claims that the afterlife is a helluva lot better than this miserable life. And given the horrible conditions they live in, it's little wonder they don't much value human lives.

    The people cheering and dancing are also performing for the camera. Note how many people are *NOT* celebrating. But they're in the background... because they're not newsworthy.

    Yes, it's a fucked culture they're living in. But you can't blame the individuals for it: they're mainly a product of the culture. It's a self-feeding thing, with no clear resolution.

  7. Re:Why Palestinians might be pissed... on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 2

    Wholly agree. I wish I'd twigged on that: I would have addressed it.

  8. WORLD REACTION & LINKS on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 3, Informative

    From a site that seems to be working well:

    World Leaders react -- "The following are reactions from around the world to the disasters at New York's World Trade Centre and the Pentagon."

    Related Links -- US Gov't, US Military, NYC, Airlines, and Anti-Terrorism Resources.

    Also worth noting that many mid-East leaders of all stripes and colours are denouncing this terrorist act.

    Don't paint all the mid-East with one brush. This terrorist attack was the action of a very, very small radical group that is roundly despised by many mid-East civilians.

  9. Re:Why Palestinians might be pissed... on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 1

    Guess I better lay some disclaimers:

    I'm not excusing the terrorist actions. Killing civilians is not an acceptable mode of protest. The rat bastards need to be dealt with.

  10. Why Palestinians might be pissed... on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why would Palestinian terrorists target the USA?

    Well, perhaps because the USA has exacerbated the mid-East problems, rather than help reduce them.

    From BigEye's Foreign Correspondent. No idea how truthful all this is, mind you, but I'm fairly sure it's worth consideration:

    BUSH FIDDLES WHILE PALESTINE BURNS

    NEW YORK - Pre-election concerns that George W. Bush had a weak grasp of world affairs have been confirmed by a succession of ideology-driven blunders and amateurish fumbles made by his administration that have damaged America's interests and image around the globe.

    To whit: trying to rush the anti-missile defense project when there was no need for haste; the tactless rejection of the Kyoto environment accords; Washington's crude enlistment of India in a new anti-Chinese alliance; boycotting this weekend's UN racism conference at Durban: and, most disturbingly, fiddling while Palestine burns.

    Who, one wonders, is running US foreign policy? Certainly not the nearly invisible `stealth' Secretary of State Colin Powell. America's first black Secretary of State was not allowed to go to an African-oriented conference in Durban because Israel was being accused of racism.

    Last week, Bush berated PLO chief Yasser Arafat for failing to end `Palestinian violence.' Soon after, Israel assassinated Mustafa Zibri, a senior Palestinian political leader, by firing Maverick missiles from Apache helicopter gunships into his office.

    The next day, Israeli M-60 tanks and M-113 armored personnel carriers occupied the Palestinian Christian town of Beit Jala.

    Meanwhile, it has been revealed that Israel is using the M494 105mm APERS-T tank round against Palestinians. This deadly round, designed for use against enemy anti-tank missile crews, disperses a conical spray of 5,000 tiny, razor-sharp darts known as flechettes. In the past, Israel has also used anti-personnel cluster bombs against Palestinian refugee camps.

    All of the above-noted weapons were supplied to Israel by the United States. Israel is also using an arsenal of other US-supplied weapons, from F-16 fighters to M-16 rifles, against Palestinians. Israeli-designed Merkava tanks `pacifying' rebellious Palestinians were built with US military aid.

    Israel is the largest ever recipient of US foreign aid - at least $91 billion since 1949, a sum that could have bought four complete aircraft carrier battle groups ( about 80 ships) for the US Navy. Each year, Israel gets $3-5 billion in US aid.

    The 1998 Wye River `peace' accords negotiated by President Clinton gave Israel an extra US $380 million for Apache helicopter gunships and armored vehicles - both currently being used against Palestinians. Just before leaving office, Clinton, quietly sent Congress a request for an additional US$800 million in military aid for Israel, a gift no doubt aimed at securing his future in publishing and Hollywood. Soon after, in a startling coincidence, Clinton received a book contract for $12 million.

    Many American conservatives and Jewish Americans are praising Bush for giving Israel's rightwing government carte blanche to crush the Palestinian uprising and assassinate its leadership. VP Dick Cheney has repeatedly accused Palestinian of `terrorism' while praising Israel's `restraint.' One wonders what Washington's response would be if the PLO began assassinating Israeli politicians who advocate murdering or ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

    Israel brushes aside occasional tut-tuts from the US State Department, and ignores charges its American-supplied weapons are being used in direct violation of the US Arms Export Control Act, which forbids recipients use of American arms except for national self defense in wartime.

    The White House and US Congress, fearful of antagonizing the Israel lobby, have refused to address this issue. Ironically, it was left to Gush Shalom, the courageous Israeli peace movement, to protest to Bush the clearly illegal use of American arms against Palestinians.

    It is increasingly clear that unless the mayhem in Palestine is ended, the entire Mideast could careen towards an explosion. Ariel Sharon, Israel's rightwing Prime Minister, has painted himself into a corner by vowing to crush the `intifada' and never allow a viable Palestinian state. Having provoked the current uprising, and vowed to break its back, Sharon now finds himself trapped in a cycle of violence, terror and counter-terror.

    Sharon's only answer so far is more of what he has done his entire career: blowing up houses, assassination, martial law, collective punishments. Now Sharon's aides are hinting at attacks against Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and even Egypt. Israeli critics are warning the Sharon is running amok and must be reigned in.

    Given Sharon's adamant refusal to halt Jewish colonization or allow a Palestinian state, Palestinians have no reason to halt their uprising. Only America has the power to push the two sides into an eventual peace agreement.

    Israel's brutal repression of the Palestinian `intifada' is being telecast around the globe, producing rage against Israel and its patron, the United States, and a worldwide surge of anti-semitism. America's strategic and economic interests across the Mideast and Muslim World are being threatened by the agony of Palestine, which inevitably invites terrorist attacks against US citizens and property.

    President Bush needs to act urgently. He needs to help Sharon find a way out of the corner in which he is stuck. Sharon has left himself no line of political retreat - other than being seen to bow to irresistible American pressure. Bush and VP Dick Cheney should cease helping Israel's rightwing and its American media mouthpieces demonize Yasser Arafat, who, however guilty of condoning violence, is the man with whom Israel has to make peace. Being rightwing does not automatically make one right.

    Bush's vanishing act over the Mideast has handed the initiative by default to Arab and Israeli extremists. Unless the US forcefully intervenes, Hamas suicide bombers and Sharon's death squads will determine policy. The result will be a disaster for Jews and Arabs alike.

    Bush is being irresponsible and dishonest by pretending America has nothing to do with this horrible mess. America has everything to do with it and could stop the carnage overnight if the White House showed sufficient political will and courage. Bush needs to recall the old adage, he who pays the piper, calls the tune.

    Copyright: Eric S. Margolis 2001

    Again, perhaps this fellow is lying or out-to-lunch. But if what he states is truthful, I think it's fair to say that the fanatics have just cause to be pissed off (and that's not to say that they are excused for being terrorists.)

  11. Re:Plea for peace on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    Keep that in mind as the US retaliates.

  12. Re:AIRLINE INFORMATION on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 5, Informative

    CORRECTION:

    There are five confirmed crashes. The "Camp David" one is actually the PA crash; it crashed relatively close to Camp David. The flight number is still unknown.

    I've got flight 175 listed twice. I haven't heard confirmation of the rumoured CO crash, so presumably it didn't happen.

    All the flights were East Coast take-offs heading for the West Coast. This is not because LA or SF were under threat of attack, as some stations are stupidly reporting, but because these are the flights with the most fuel onboard.

    Transalantic flights would have provided even bigger planes and more fuel, but security on them is more stringent than those for domestic flights.

  13. Re:Plea for peace on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 2

    Touche'

    And when those who are responsible are positively identified, fry 'em. Each and every one of them.

    And then be prepared for the retaliation. It's tit-for-tat when dealing with terrorist organizations.

  14. Well Great. on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm watching CBC television, The National. The desk reporter is superlative, and I'll be writing CBC to give accolades.

    Now that there's less action on the ground, we're getting all the "experts" in as talking heads.

    And the unfortunate thing is that some of them are instigating racial hatred. Well, cultural hatred, at any rate.

    The same thing is beginning to happen on Slashdot: wingnuts wanting to obliterate Palestian, and even some who want to nuke the entire mid-East.

    GET A CLUE!

    The US can't just walk in and kill every damn Muslim and Arab. That'd be a worse atrocity than the attack on the WTC -- and the retaliation would make today's events look like a trip to Disneyland.

    There must be retaliation...but it must be rational!

    Use your cluesticks with impunity. Contact your news stations and let them know that they're being destructive, not constructive; join the message boards and preach cautious, considered reactions; and remain calm.

    [Please also note that more people die every day or two in traffic accidents, than were killed in the attack. It's a tragedy, but not much worse than the tragedy we live with every day... it's just that we don't expect terrorist attacks.]

  15. President Bush's Comments on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    A minor aside to the tragedy, perhaps worth considering a week from now. Bush has talked to the media twice now.

    Note that he didn't fumble and stutter.

    The man can speak well. His mumblemouth facade is an act.

    Question is, why does he act like a moron? What's his goal, his payoff?

  16. Re:Plea for peace on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 1

    Gulf war, I do believe. Plus the US support of Isreal, which is continually killing civilians.

  17. AIRLINE INFORMATION on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First plane: American Airlines, Flight 11, Boston=>LA, 92 on board.
    Second: UA, 175, Boston=>LA, ?.
    Third (Pentagon): AA, 77, Dulles=>LA, 64.
    Four: UA, 93, Newark=>SF, ?.
    Five: UA, Camp David.
    Six: (PA crash),
    Seven: (CO crash?), UA?, 175, =>LA?

    Many planes still in the air, none currently threatened.

    Crash Five may be a rumour. I keep seeing it scroll by on the TV, but I've read that it's been denied.

  18. Re:Plea for peace on U.S. Attack -- More Updates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Correction: at least 20 000 of you *are not still here.* They died in the attack.

    Correction: you don't have peace or security. You just got attacked.

    Correction: those responsible are dead. They died attacking.

    Correction: there is NO justice possible in this situation. Nor is peace possible.

    There has to be retaliation for this, without a doubt. But it will not resolve the problem.

    You might also want to think about why this attack occurred. How did the USA get into a position where someone hates it *so* much that they'd suicide themselves in revenge?

  19. Re:CNN Slowly Coming Back on Attacks On US Continued Reports · · Score: 2

    First plane: American Airlines, Flight 11, Boston=>LA, 92 on board.

    Second: UA, 175, Boston=>LA, ?.

    Third (Pentagon): AA, 77, Dulles=>LA, 64.

    Four: UA, 93, Newark=>SF, ?.

    Five: UA, Camp David.

    Six: (PA crash),

    Seven: (CO crash?), UA?, 175, =>LA?

    Many planes still in the air, none currently threatened.

  20. Re:Not helpful language on Attacks On US Continued Reports · · Score: 2

    Their culture is NOT like ours.

    They've been immersed in war for a couple generations. Their civilians are killed in terrorist attacks all the time. They believe that kamikaze revenge is a ticket to heaven.

    Don't attack them for their cultural differences. Just because you see some of them celebrating for the camera, doesn't mean they're bad people. Not the man-in-the-street civilian, at any rate.

    The people who planned and executed the attack, on the other hand...

  21. Re:It's not a "fire" on Attacks On US Continued Reports · · Score: 2

    Boeing 737 is large enough to carry *several hundred* people. These are the jets that fly the Transalantic. They're *big*

  22. Re:Not "hysteria", "state of emergency" on Attacks On US Continued Reports · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm talking about personal freedoms lockdown -- goodbye encryption, goodbye privacy. This is the administration's opportunity to make some giant strides in the anti-freedom direction they've taken over the past decade.

    Re: terrorist retaliation -- point is, they will retaliate, and will up the ante each time. Last time, it was a car bomb under the WTC. This time, the destruction of the WTC. Next, a nuke in the heart of NYC.

    It's necessary to think long-term. The terrorist organizations will wait a decade if they need to. Time is immaterial.

  23. United Airlines crash on Attacks On US Continued Reports · · Score: 2

    United Airlines 757 has crashed. This is the one that was "missing," not the Pennsylvania plane. Looks to be in Colorado. :-(

  24. Hysteria on Attacks On US Continued Reports · · Score: 5, Informative

    PLEASE Please please try to avoid getting hysterical about this. I'm finding message boards filled with frothing hatred, wanting bloody revenge against entire countries.

    Don't escalate this into war. There are no winners if it goes to war. We'll all just end up discovering that the terrosits do nukes. Some major American city will be vapourized in re-retaliation.

    And get in touch with your State and Federal representatives. Protest any movement toward restricting your personal freedoms -- because they are going to lock you down. Protest any over-aggression -- because you will pay when the terrorists re-retaliate.

    Time is NOT of the essence! Insist that things move carefully and cautiously. The world is in a delicate situation for the next few months. Treat it like a fragile, crystal bowl... and don't drop it.

  25. Re:First true test of the internet... on World Trade Towers and Pentagon Attacked · · Score: 2

    That would be the difference between "pull" and "push" technology. *ANY* pull technology -- newspaper boys hawking the morning edition on the street corner, telephone calls to the hospitals, flagging down taxis -- is going to fail when *everyone* tries to make use of it.

    So, d-oh. Nothing like stating the obvious, Register.