Sun has taken a beating lately, like everyone has, but when I look at its massively multicore Niagara and Victoria Falls systems I see real viable breakthrough in the area of massively parallel computing. With Solaris Containers on Sparc I can take an old production Solaris 8 ( or 9 ) server and literally drop it into a single core of a Niagara machine and then make the old box vanish into a puff of 1U smoke without losing anything. Heck, the new machines will run 256 threads at the same time with no time slice issues. With VirtualBox on x86 we can now park almost anything from the x86 world into a SunFire x4440 ( 16 core AMD Opteron slayer ) in 2U of rack space. The theory, that I would love to test in practice, is that you can make four racks of older gear vanish into 6U of rack space with the SunFire x4440 ( AMD Opteron based ) and the Sun T5440 Server ( 32 core and eight floating-point units per processor ). That would be 256 simultaneous threads all running in one server and 16 cores of AMD Opteron in the other. And that means Linux/Windows and Solaris all running in two machines. I may be wrong but Sun has a hell of a grip on the future multi-threaded world.
Actually, after many years of the Notes thing I find myself looking at doing business process translation to PostgreSQL and good ol' C. Much easier to debug and I think that PostgreSQL is the database of the future. Various CMS systems ( like Joomla ) can do the job of content management but business process applications that need to be web based should be done with as many open source tools as possible. With Apache, PostgreSQL and a decent book on C programming you can do nearly anything. It is a whole lot easier to debug and to find people to do that sort of work.
I always wonder why so much traffic on SlashDot ( or web based public interfaces like this ) can be so confrontational. That was never my intention. I guess, yes, I defend the Notes development process after it got past version 3.x. Internally the first decent Notes was 2.15a and it still used a flat namespace. With Notes 2.15a a person could click on a link on a document and the client would go retrieve the linked to document from some other server and some other database if needed. That was pretty cool when NCSA Mosiac was just getting into the hands of people and Netscape did not yet exist. People could develop applications in a flash, with basic fields and then just drop it on a server and it worked. Debugging was sometimes horrible. Development of more complex applications required some real tricky knowledge at times. Version 3.0c ( a stack of floppies that I still have somewhere ) was a pretty decent revision and I made a ton of money with it. Version 4 was even better with the scripting ability.
I was at camp Microsoft in 1997 meeting with the Exchange team as well as the early Microsoft Transaction server teams and I am happy to say that I got to meet some really brilliant people. Truely gifted software engineers and developers that impressed me completely. My host was Jeff Raikes and he made sure that the Lotus Notes team people were very well taken care of at a five star golf resort. It was pretty cool to meet a real software billionaire that got up every morning to go to work for another billionaire. He asked for input and he got it, straight from people that lived and breated Notes for years. I was one of those people that had to guts to tell him that Exchange was crippled in many ways despite the lavish hotel. I ended up with a few Microsoft people sitting with me on the plane and we all worked over a business issue and they went off to code it all up in Exchange. I did it in Notes in two days flat.
So, to make a long story short, I defend the Notes process because it works very well. Today and yesterday going back years. I think that IBM has dumped their business units that can not longer show profit ( like PCs anymore ) and they are sticking with technologies that have real serious value longterm. I see Lotus is still in there and Notes just keeps on going and going. I stand by my words that in the event of a complete atomic meltdown there will be cockroaches, UNIX, Lotus Notes and Cher. Not necessarily in that order
I'm sorry, but I think you were saying that Exchange was potential competition way back then. It wasn't. Still isn't. In my opinion.
Wasn't the first public release of Exchange version 5 in 1997 or so ? I don't think Microsoft Exchange even existed in 1993 but if it did, it was horrible. At least Lotus Notes would allow one client IDE to do all the work where Microsoft needed C and C++ and Exchange database and Microsoft SQL Server and COM/DCOM stuff and Microsoft Transaction Server and who knows what else. Not sure if it needed all that crud but to get the job done quicker, just use Notes. But then again, in 1993 I don't think Exchange even existed.
An excellent browser that runs well on old Sun Solaris sun4m hardware all the way up to the latest builds. I have been using Opera for years and bought and paid for the licenses. It is a real loss to see a brilliant creator pass. I surely hope that his legacy lives on in world domination of the mobile browser market.
I can not believe that you are actually calling me a lier and then hanging your problems with Sun one me.
Amazing.
There is a CDDL license. Everything that is not owned by or has some license issue with a third party is open or in the process of being made open. Those bits that can not be made open for some third party license issue are handed out in a redistributible binary form.
What is there in this that is a lie? Nothing.
Get your emotional problems with Sun sorted out. They have nothing to do with me.
> Joerg Schilling seems to be comming the closest, > by using Linux bits for the missing pieces .
Really? I'll have to ask him about that. I really don't think so though, its not his style and he and I were talking earlier today about the port process and at no point did we discuss the use of GPL'ed code. In fact, his POSIX compliant star is under the CDDL, not the GPL.
No.. I think that SchilliX is original work as well as OpenSolaris code. He even wrote his own libm that was based on the old circa 1992 BSD code.
As for SunONE Studio 10 compiler being better than GCC, well, how about I take a bit of number crunching code and compile it on Opteron with both GCC and SunONE Studio 10 and see which runs faster and produces the same results?
Well I guess its time to look at some facts. I like facts. That are really solid and, well, factual. You know? Tough to argue with.
RedHat, Suse, Mandrake, etc all offer linux as OSS
OpenSolaris has an OSI license. It is called the CDDL. Welcome to open source.
This includes not just the compiler but a very wide array of tools.
Sun offers the Sun ONE Studio tools for free. Vastly superior to GCC in every measurable way. Of course that is my opinion based on years of code crunching. The fact is that these are available for free. Download and go.
I believe that the source is being made open also.
ALL of the source code of anything marked OSS is available
Absolutely. All of the components under the CDDL are open. Have fun.
More on the way.
Heck, Sun just spent FIVE years working on an entirely new filesystem called ZFS and they released it and open sourced it at the same time. How cool is that?
See :
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunf lash.20051130.1.html
Now, you mention DELL and IBM. Well they both sell hardware with services.
I have heard that.. somewhere. I think Sun does that too. So does my corner store.
Neither of them directly deal with Linux
see : http://www.redhat.com/sundown/
Why is there an IBM logo on that page? Why is there an edition RHEL for POWER but not for Sparc ? Why does it say in big BOLD graphics there "Migrate to Linux with IBM + Red Hat"?
Now go look at : http://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/rhel/compare/serve r/
The absolute cheapest edition is $349 and the top is $2499 !!
I can get Solaris for FREE.
For UltraSparc or for Intel or AMD Opteron.
The cost of an OPTIONAL software support contract is less than 34 cents a day.
I ought to know.. I bought one because it was five times cheaper than my daily coffee intake and I can't live with that either.
See my blog : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/pivot/entry. php?id=107
While you're surfing, look at the three guys at : http://www.novell.com/linux/unixtolinux/
They are all parked on a bench outside the IT Directors office waiting to tell how reiserfs screwed up their data again and they lost the corporate database because of some messed up kernel patch.
But that is just me guessing.
You can buy just about any size machine from these 2 companies that
is both smaller/cheaper to larger/more expensive than what Sun offers.
Sure. I agree with "cheap".
Show me a 64-bit Opteron that is faster, cooler and less costly than a SunFire X2100.
Really. Anyone can make junk that is cheap and monsters that are massively expensive.
Show me a 64-bit machine that has more horsepower than an 8-core 1.2GHz SunFire T1000 or a 64-bit AMD Opteron machine with more horsepower than the SunFire X2100.
For less money.
Oh, and the Opteron gear has to be certified to run Windows as well as Linux as well as a real UNIX.
Good luck.
when I look at the top 500 fastest computers, where is Solaris in there?
Does it hold the majority of the top 10, let alone the top 500?
Personally I enjoy watching Red Hat, Novell/SUSE, Dell and IBM all squirm as Sun undercuts their prices in every product line. I can get Solaris for free, Sun Cluster for free, the tools for free, Java for free, the source code to Solaris for free and a dual core Opteron or multi-core UltraSparc for dirt cheap. The FUD being sprayed by Red Hat/IBM and Novell is just staggering.
OKay, well. Now I have nothing but a sad feeling in my gut. On the one hand I am terribly aware of how much of a back woods middle of nowhere sort of family guy that I am. I have no clue about the context of all this. I live in a small town in Canada where the big problem is that the local library group took down a large framed picture of a founder and chipped the wood on the frame. Now someone needs to fix the frame. Front page news.
On the one hand I want to thank you for the education and on the other, well, perhaps ignorance would have been better.
I'll go back to hanging Christmas lights now and just hoping the raccoons will stop tipping over my trash cans.
You are defending the logic of this? At any level?
Firstly, we have problems with teens because of the attitude that we can herd them like animals and treat them as such. You seem to suggest that planting a device to annoy them in a targetted fashion is reasonable and somehow that "poor parenting" is not involved?
Personally I don't get it. I can achieve the same effect by simply asking them to take out the trash.
Honestly, I was just over at the server room with my teenage step-son and he is totally cool. He washed the white board, helped me install some servers, then I let him drive the Jeep around the parking lot and even go off road. I don't understand all his stuff and he doesn't understand all mine but we have fun together and thats all the counts. Hey, we even played HALO for an hour after school.
A high freqency buzz to drive away teens? Something seriously wrong with this invention. Yet another examply of soulless empty technology. I am happy that God watches over my family and both my teenage kids are a gift. I would never drive them away. If we keep and hold the communication channel open then we will never have them feel that they can't talk and we can't listen.
Hey.. the author is a great guy and I was talking on the phone with him recently and we both agree that a lot gets lost in translation.
He speaks fluent German and can translate into English as needed. On the phone he hesitates a bit and generally we are able to talk. This guy is not only funny but wickedly smart. Like really really smart and I think people just need to smile more and try to see that translation to english can really mess up a message. Face to face is the only way to talk, but when forced we can talk via the phone. Then we lose facial expression but we heve intonation and the occasional smile somehow can get through the phone. But the bottom of the rung for communication is the written word that has been translated from some other language.
So give the guy a break.
I don't work for Sun but I have been in the OpenSolaris pilot from Day One and I can tell you that I have been working like mad with it as have others. Myself and James Dickens worked night and day over the past weekend to build the OS on an E4000 as well as a LX50 machine for both enterprise class implementations and server room work. You can see the results of the workstation build at Blastwave.org and you need to watch James Dickens blog as well as mine to see progress that happens OUTSIDE of Sun. Not to mention the PowerPC port project at BlastWare which will also make progress when some other bits are in place. There are partnerships in place to work on the PowerPC port and GENESI is behind this as well as others.
Power is a big deal folks. Think of OpenSolaris on your IBM big iron also.
So go make a coffee and relax. Its coming real soon now.
In fact, most of the people in the pilot project don't work for Sun. They are in universities and open source projects ( like Blastwave ) and in their basements with old PC hardware or a used Sun Ultra 2 or a Genesi ODW PowerPC machine ( http://www.genesi.lu/ ).
So when I say that "we will roll out the source when we have all our ducks in a row" I mean that the pilot project people will have a community advisory board selected as well as a "social contract" and a plan. A plan driven by the current community members and not just big corporate. Although they are our partners in this and to a large degree our mentors.
What did you think was going to happen? Did you think that Sun would take the Solaris 10 source code and "toss it over the wall" without any infrastructure in place?
No.
The existing Solaris community as well as a large number of open source people were invited in to help the process along and to ensure that the open source people were driving the bus. This means that a transition is required.
This isn't just a kernel. It's not the GNU tools and the Linux kernel and a Linux From Scratch process. This is a really really large full and complete operating system and it would be a good idea that new people would be able to work with it easily.
Did you think that Sun would throw millions of lines of source code at you and say "good luck!"
So, as an outside person in the basement with a pile of hardware all around me I can safely say that I am an open source person with the Solaris 10 source code in front of me and I don't work for Sun. I have people that help me with the process and I have documentation in progress and a ton of other people ( in the pilot ) that are working together with Sun management to ensure that people like _you_ will be able to enjoy OpenSolaris.
That feels "open" to me.
Dennis Clarke @ Blastwave.org http://www.blastwave.org/ An OpenSolaris Community Site
Well, personally I'd rather have an OS that has about a billion dollars in research and development behind it as well as support that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg. A license of SUSE with support can cost about $900 a year. More or less. I can put in Solaris 10 dirt cheap on server grade hardware and sleep at night. No, it does not have support for the latest USP coffee cup warmer and I don't care for that anyways.
I want excellent support for the components that matter in the server room; fibre, network, Opteron processors and big Sparc. Multi-core is just iceing on the cake.
If I want a snazzy looking workstation also then I'll put in pkg-get from Blastwave and then install everything that I'd want in one shot.
Oh, and unless you have been living under a rock on mars for the last year then you would know that Solaris 10 is open source and the pilot group is well entrenched. We will roll out the source when we have all our ducks lined up and ready.
Dennis at Blastwave http://www.blastwave.org/ An OpenSolaris Community Site
ps: we can write our own drivers for the USB coffee cup warmer if we really want that.:)
What bothers me is that $10K is nothing ( an accounting rounding error ) for Intel and thus they should have exercised some intelligence in honour of Moores Law and Intel engineering traditions.
They should have "thought" a little bit and done something worthwhile for the world instead of sending money crazed loons after an old magazine.
Hopefully, please, Intel did not do this simply to save marketting budget. I would like to think that a company with such a long and successful history could do better than this sort of nonesense.
Dennis at Blastwave.org http://www.blastwave.org/ An OpenSolaris Community Site
I simply don't see the value in a 1965 magazine article which can be read electronically quite easily. This is not the rosetta stone. Its not some lost artifact of human history.
For Intel to be so immature as to put a bounty on a copy of a magazine from 1965 is amazing. It feels like bad marketting and bad decisions on someones part.
Intel would do better to fund a project at the Smithsonian that would have a functional example of a computer from every year since 1965. Then at least there would be both historical and educational value as well as a demonstration of corporate responsibility.
Senseless market droids running amok is what this magazine business is.
Dennis from Blastwave.org http://www.blastwave.org/ An OpenSolaris Community Site
Slashdot Mirror
when hell freezes over ?
Sun has taken a beating lately, like everyone has, but when I look at its massively multicore Niagara and Victoria Falls systems I see real viable breakthrough in the area of massively parallel computing. With Solaris Containers on Sparc I can take an old production Solaris 8 ( or 9 ) server and literally drop it into a single core of a Niagara machine and then make the old box vanish into a puff of 1U smoke without losing anything. Heck, the new machines will run 256 threads at the same time with no time slice issues. With VirtualBox on x86 we can now park almost anything from the x86 world into a SunFire x4440 ( 16 core AMD Opteron slayer ) in 2U of rack space. The theory, that I would love to test in practice, is that you can make four racks of older gear vanish into 6U of rack space with the SunFire x4440 ( AMD Opteron based ) and the Sun T5440 Server ( 32 core and eight floating-point units per processor ). That would be 256 simultaneous threads all running in one server and 16 cores of AMD Opteron in the other. And that means Linux/Windows and Solaris all running in two machines. I may be wrong but Sun has a hell of a grip on the future multi-threaded world.
We had Joomla on Solaris working neatly also. That needs to be started up again as a simple to install package for OpenSolaris and Solaris 10. http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/77
Actually, after many years of the Notes thing I find myself looking at doing business process translation to PostgreSQL and good ol' C. Much easier to debug and I think that PostgreSQL is the database of the future. Various CMS systems ( like Joomla ) can do the job of content management but business process applications that need to be web based should be done with as many open source tools as possible. With Apache, PostgreSQL and a decent book on C programming you can do nearly anything. It is a whole lot easier to debug and to find people to do that sort of work.
I always wonder why so much traffic on SlashDot ( or web based public interfaces like this ) can be so confrontational. That was never my intention. I guess, yes, I defend the Notes development process after it got past version 3.x. Internally the first decent Notes was 2.15a and it still used a flat namespace. With Notes 2.15a a person could click on a link on a document and the client would go retrieve the linked to document from some other server and some other database if needed. That was pretty cool when NCSA Mosiac was just getting into the hands of people and Netscape did not yet exist. People could develop applications in a flash, with basic fields and then just drop it on a server and it worked. Debugging was sometimes horrible. Development of more complex applications required some real tricky knowledge at times. Version 3.0c ( a stack of floppies that I still have somewhere ) was a pretty decent revision and I made a ton of money with it. Version 4 was even better with the scripting ability.
I was at camp Microsoft in 1997 meeting with the Exchange team as well as the early Microsoft Transaction server teams and I am happy to say that I got to meet some really brilliant people. Truely gifted software engineers and developers that impressed me completely. My host was Jeff Raikes and he made sure that the Lotus Notes team people were very well taken care of at a five star golf resort. It was pretty cool to meet a real software billionaire that got up every morning to go to work for another billionaire. He asked for input and he got it, straight from people that lived and breated Notes for years. I was one of those people that had to guts to tell him that Exchange was crippled in many ways despite the lavish hotel. I ended up with a few Microsoft people sitting with me on the plane and we all worked over a business issue and they went off to code it all up in Exchange. I did it in Notes in two days flat.
So, to make a long story short, I defend the Notes process because it works very well. Today and yesterday going back years. I think that IBM has dumped their business units that can not longer show profit ( like PCs anymore ) and they are sticking with technologies that have real serious value longterm. I see Lotus is still in there and Notes just keeps on going and going. I stand by my words that in the event of a complete atomic meltdown there will be cockroaches, UNIX, Lotus Notes and Cher. Not necessarily in that order
I'm sorry, but I think you were saying that Exchange was potential competition way back then. It wasn't. Still isn't. In my opinion.
Wasn't the first public release of Exchange version 5 in 1997 or so ? I don't think Microsoft Exchange even existed in 1993 but if it did, it was horrible. At least Lotus Notes would allow one client IDE to do all the work where Microsoft needed C and C++ and Exchange database and Microsoft SQL Server and COM/DCOM stuff and Microsoft Transaction Server and who knows what else. Not sure if it needed all that crud but to get the job done quicker, just use Notes. But then again, in 1993 I don't think Exchange even existed.
It has paint primer, rust, no hub caps and dirt in most places too. No surprise there. Have you seen some of the low life beings that live in there?
The principal difficulty seems to be in throwing oneself at the ground and missing.
An excellent browser that runs well on old Sun Solaris sun4m hardware all the way up to the latest builds. I have been using Opera for years and bought and paid for the licenses. It is a real loss to see a brilliant creator pass. I surely hope that his legacy lives on in world domination of the mobile browser market.
Dennis Clarke from Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
I can not believe that you are actually calling me a lier and then hanging your problems with Sun one me.
Amazing.
There is a CDDL license. Everything that is not owned by or has some license issue with a third party is open or in the process of being made open. Those bits that can not be made open for some third party license issue are handed out in a redistributible binary form.
What is there in this that is a lie? Nothing.
Get your emotional problems with Sun sorted out. They have nothing to do with me.
dc
> Joerg Schilling seems to be comming the closest,
.. I think that SchilliX is original work as well as OpenSolaris code. He even wrote his own libm that was based on the old circa 1992 BSD code.
> by using Linux bits for the missing pieces .
Really? I'll have to ask him about that. I really don't think so though, its not his style and he and I were talking earlier today about the port process and at no point did we discuss the use of GPL'ed code. In fact, his POSIX compliant star is under the CDDL, not the GPL.
No
As for SunONE Studio 10 compiler being better than GCC, well, how about I take a bit of number crunching code and compile it on Opteron with both GCC and SunONE Studio 10 and see which runs faster and produces the same results?
Seems like a reasonable test to me.
Dennis
OpenSolaris has an OSI license. It is called the CDDL. Welcome to open source.
Sun offers the Sun ONE Studio tools for free. Vastly superior to GCC in every measurable way. Of course that is my opinion based on years of code crunching. The fact is that these are available for free. Download and go.
I believe that the source is being made open also.
Absolutely. All of the components under the CDDL are open. Have fun.
More on the way.
Heck, Sun just spent FIVE years working on an entirely new filesystem called ZFS and they released it and open sourced it at the same time. How cool is that?
See : http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunf lash.20051130.1.html
I have heard that .. somewhere. I think Sun does that too. So does my corner store.
see : http://www.redhat.com/sundown/ .. I bought one because it was five times cheaper than my daily coffee intake and I can't live with that either.
Why is there an IBM logo on that page? Why is there an edition RHEL for POWER but not for Sparc ? Why does it say in big BOLD graphics there "Migrate to Linux with IBM + Red Hat"?
Now go look at : http://www.redhat.com/en_us/USA/rhel/compare/serve r/
The absolute cheapest edition is $349 and the top is $2499 !!
I can get Solaris for FREE.
For UltraSparc or for Intel or AMD Opteron.
The cost of an OPTIONAL software support contract is less than 34 cents a day.
I ought to know
See my blog : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/pivot/entry. php?id=107
While you're surfing, look at the three guys at :
http://www.novell.com/linux/unixtolinux/
They are all parked on a bench outside the IT Directors office waiting to tell how reiserfs screwed up their data again and they lost the corporate database because of some messed up kernel patch.
But that is just me guessing.
Sure. I agree with "cheap".
Show me a 64-bit Opteron that is faster, cooler and less costly than a SunFire X2100.
Really. Anyone can make junk that is cheap and monsters that are massively expensive.
Show me a 64-bit machine that has more horsepower than an 8-core 1.2GHz SunFire T1000 or a 64-bit AMD Opteron machine with more horsepower than the SunFire X2100.
For less money.
Oh, and the Opteron gear has to be certified to run Windows as well as Linux as well as a real UNIX.
Good luck.
Take a long hard stare at my blog from a little while ago :
http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/pivot/entry. php?id=113
I count, what? 16 e
Personally I enjoy watching Red Hat, Novell/SUSE, Dell and IBM all squirm as Sun undercuts their prices in every product line. I can get Solaris for free, Sun Cluster for free, the tools for free, Java for free, the source code to Solaris for free and a dual core Opteron or multi-core UltraSparc for dirt cheap. The FUD being sprayed by Red Hat/IBM and Novell is just staggering.
Dennis Clarke
http://www.blastwave.org/
Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_slapping
OKay, well. Now I have nothing but a sad feeling in my gut. On the one hand I am terribly aware of how much of a back woods middle of nowhere sort of family guy that I am. I have no clue about the context of all this. I live in a small town in Canada where the big problem is that the local library group took down a large framed picture of a founder and chipped the wood on the frame. Now someone needs to fix the frame. Front page news.
On the one hand I want to thank you for the education and on the other, well, perhaps ignorance would have been better.
I'll go back to hanging Christmas lights now and just hoping the raccoons will stop tipping over my trash cans.
Dennis
You are defending the logic of this? At any level?
Firstly, we have problems with teens because of the attitude that we can herd them like animals and treat them as such. You seem to suggest that planting a device to annoy them in a targetted fashion is reasonable and somehow that "poor parenting" is not involved?
I hope you are not a parent.
Personally I don't get it. I can achieve the same effect by simply asking them to take out the trash.
Honestly, I was just over at the server room with my teenage step-son and he is totally cool. He washed the white board, helped me install some servers, then I let him drive the Jeep around the parking lot and even go off road. I don't understand all his stuff and he doesn't understand all mine but we have fun together and thats all the counts. Hey, we even played HALO for an hour after school.
A high freqency buzz to drive away teens? Something seriously wrong with this invention. Yet another examply of soulless empty technology. I am happy that God watches over my family and both my teenage kids are a gift. I would never drive them away. If we keep and hold the communication channel open then we will never have them feel that they can't talk and we can't listen.
Dennis Clarke
Director Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
Hey .. the author is a great guy and I was talking on the phone with him recently and we both agree that a lot gets lost in translation.
He speaks fluent German and can translate into English as needed. On the phone he hesitates a bit and generally we are able to talk. This guy is not only funny but wickedly smart. Like really really smart and I think people just need to smile more and try to see that translation to english can really mess up a message. Face to face is the only way to talk, but when forced we can talk via the phone. Then we lose facial expression but we heve intonation and the occasional smile somehow can get through the phone. But the bottom of the rung for communication is the written word that has been translated from some other language.
So give the guy a break.
Dennis Clarke
Director Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
Good catch !
Fixed that as well as a few other small things that were bothering me.
thank you
Dennis
It will get released when everything is ready.
I don't work for Sun but I have been in the OpenSolaris pilot from Day One and I can tell you that I have been working like mad with it as have others. Myself and James Dickens worked night and day over the past weekend to build the OS on an E4000 as well as a LX50 machine for both enterprise class implementations and server room work. You can see the results of the workstation build at Blastwave.org and you need to watch James Dickens blog as well as mine to see progress that happens OUTSIDE of Sun. Not to mention the PowerPC port project at BlastWare which will also make progress when some other bits are in place. There are partnerships in place to work on the PowerPC port and GENESI is behind this as well as others.
Power is a big deal folks. Think of OpenSolaris on your IBM big iron also.
So go make a coffee and relax. Its coming real soon now.
Dennis Clarke
Director Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
Clearly I think phoenetically.
.. they sound the same. :-)
How did I get "USP" from "USB" when the "P" key is nowhere near the "B" key?
Well
That has to be it.
Dennis
I don't work for Sun.
In fact, most of the people in the pilot project don't work for Sun. They are in universities and open source projects ( like Blastwave ) and in their basements with old PC hardware or a used Sun Ultra 2 or a Genesi ODW PowerPC machine ( http://www.genesi.lu/ ).
So when I say that "we will roll out the source when we have all our ducks in a row" I mean that the pilot project people will have a community advisory board selected as well as a "social contract" and a plan. A plan driven by the current community members and not just big corporate. Although they are our partners in this and to a large degree our mentors.
What did you think was going to happen? Did you think that Sun would take the Solaris 10 source code and "toss it over the wall" without any infrastructure in place?
No.
The existing Solaris community as well as a large number of open source people were invited in to help the process along and to ensure that the open source people were driving the bus. This means that a transition is required.
This isn't just a kernel. It's not the GNU tools and the Linux kernel and a Linux From Scratch process. This is a really really large full and complete operating system and it would be a good idea that new people would be able to work with it easily.
Did you think that Sun would throw millions of lines of source code at you and say "good luck!"
So, as an outside person in the basement with a pile of hardware all around me I can safely say that I am an open source person with the Solaris 10 source code in front of me and I don't work for Sun. I have people that help me with the process and I have documentation in progress and a ton of other people ( in the pilot ) that are working together with Sun management to ensure that people like _you_ will be able to enjoy OpenSolaris.
That feels "open" to me.
Dennis Clarke @ Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
An OpenSolaris Community Site
Well, personally I'd rather have an OS that has about a billion dollars in research and development behind it as well as support that doesn't cost me an arm and a leg. A license of SUSE with support can cost about $900 a year. More or less. I can put in Solaris 10 dirt cheap on server grade hardware and sleep at night. No, it does not have support for the latest USP coffee cup warmer and I don't care for that anyways.
:)
I want excellent support for the components that matter in the server room; fibre, network, Opteron processors and big Sparc. Multi-core is just iceing on the cake.
If I want a snazzy looking workstation also then I'll put in pkg-get from Blastwave and then install everything that I'd want in one shot.
Oh, and unless you have been living under a rock on mars for the last year then you would know that Solaris 10 is open source and the pilot group is well entrenched. We will roll out the source when we have all our ducks lined up and ready.
Dennis at Blastwave
http://www.blastwave.org/
An OpenSolaris Community Site
ps: we can write our own drivers for the USB coffee cup warmer if we really want that.
That is a good theory and entirely reasonable.
What bothers me is that $10K is nothing ( an accounting rounding error ) for Intel and thus they should have exercised some intelligence in honour of Moores Law and Intel engineering traditions.
They should have "thought" a little bit and done something worthwhile for the world instead of sending money crazed loons after an old magazine.
Hopefully, please, Intel did not do this simply to save marketting budget. I would like to think that a company with such a long and successful history could do better than this sort of nonesense.
Dennis at Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
An OpenSolaris Community Site
Well, GCC 4.0.0 can be had for both Sparc and Intel x86 from Blastwave.org at :
http://www.blastwave.org/testing/index.html
I can't comment on Linux but I can say that Solaris ( and OpenSolaris SVR4 UNIX ) on Sparc and x86 and AMD64 ( and PowerPC soon ) is alive and well.
Dennis at Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
An OpenSolaris Community Site
I simply don't see the value in a 1965 magazine article which can be read electronically quite easily. This is not the rosetta stone. Its not some lost artifact of human history.
For Intel to be so immature as to put a bounty on a copy of a magazine from 1965 is amazing. It feels like bad marketting and bad decisions on someones part.
Intel would do better to fund a project at the Smithsonian that would have a functional example of a computer from every year since 1965. Then at least there would be both historical and educational value as well as a demonstration of corporate responsibility.
Senseless market droids running amok is what this magazine business is.
Dennis from Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/
An OpenSolaris Community Site