The CDDL *requires* the originator and contributors to automatically give patent grants, for good, to that CDDL code and its deratives - non-revocable.
Paul,
The strength of the GPL is it's immunity to Microsoft's infamous Embrace and Extend(tm) machinations. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around why Sun needed the CDDL instead of the GPL. The GPL is extremely contributor friendly and I think companies look at it like the neutral zone. Anything they contribute becomes a shared asset.
One of my concerns about the CDDL is perhaps it's NOT immune to Embrace, Extend, & Exterminate. Let's pretend for a moment that Open Solaris catches on like crazy and overtakes Linux -- if contributors have to assign non-revocable copyright and patent rights to Sun what's to keep Sun from releasing Closed Solaris Ultra-Profession Edition(tm) at some point? Or, pardon the tinfoil, what if Microsoft buys Sun?
IMHO, Sun is severely limiting it's appeal to a developer community by using the wonky CDDL license. You're going to recruit a handful that were already Sun enthusiasts but that's about it.
Because Windows does for computing what AoL does for the Internet -- make it prettier and slower with a whole lot less options.
For a company like Pixar, who is *not* concerned about off-the-shelf software, Linux makes all kinds of sense.
If it was me, I'd do it all in Python. It even has FTP libs built in. Plus, when you're ready to dump the Windows boxes you can run the same Python scripts or Linux or a Mac.
Sure it has some kinks, but I accept that since Fedora tends to push the envelope. It's really not 'Linux for Mom' like Ubuntu. Fedora requires some heavy lifting and some RTFM-ism. I've always liked Gnome and 2.10 with Clearlooks is just gorgeous. FC4 boots faster and does a good job of detecting hardware. A week or two ago I swapped my motherboard and processor and it booted up with everything working -- despite my changing 90% of the chipset including sound and networking.
Can you imagine doing that on a Windows box?
Yes, multimedia is emasculated thanks to software patent boogeymen in the US. I do all my ripping to OGG Vorbis anyway which is supported out of the box. I've yet to find any use for the Helix movie player though.
I got caught up in the flaming when Redhat "abandoned" the free desktop but that turned out to be a lot of hype. I even went looking for a replacement after Redhat 9 but kept coming back to Fedora. I really like their "workstation" install.
For me, Fedora occupies a comfortable zone between "I can install it it in 30 mins" and "I can use it for just about any need."
As much as I hate saying this, this is one of those problems that does require money being thrown at it in order to solve. We need to hire more and better examiners. We need to pay the skilled examiners better to retain them.
That's called wishful thinking.
The system is fucking broken. They are permitting (in the virtual world) patents that are stupid in two extremes.
The first stupid extreme is science fiction patents. If I tried to patent invisiblity, they'd ask me (naturally), "ok, how does your method work?" Meaning I would need to invent invisibility to patent it. However, in software I can just cobble together a vague concept and hope to sue someone smart and talented later. Or better yet, find someone smart and talented, observe what they've created, THEN file a patent and sue them.
"But", you say, "they can easily challenge your evil because of the glorious and fair systems in place."
Yeah, and it will only cost them a couple of million in legal fees to attempt to prevent me robbing them.
The second stupid extreme is New Because it's VIRTUAL!. I couldn't patent a bucket or a grocery list in this world, but Amazon can patent shopping carts and Microsoft can patent 'todo lists' in the virtual world because... well, I have no real explanation why. Underpaid morons at the patent office I suppose.
Labeling it as "warning: don't violate copyrights for selfish wants" or labeling it with "please: do not attempt to ingest fedora CD" amounts to the same thing -- both targeting idiots I don't care about.
Because a computer is a device for changing the status of bits. Flipping bits, driving roads, and cooking food is just the machines performing their function.
I suppose when popcorn comes with a EULA I'll have to concede your point.
When are you going to wake up to the fact that you aren't the good guys anymore; that stopped when you allowed big business to control the entire electoral and political spectrum.
Speaking as a lifelong citizen of the United States and military veteran, I wish... that you weren't so goddamn spot on. This administration's recursive quest to kill everyone who hates is making everyone hate us.
I absolutely agree. Are IT managers going to read this and actually think Linux costs more? Hell no. They are going to say, "Damn, Microsoft is reeeeeeally stretching for new studies."
FUD is great if your audience is morons. If they are aren't, then all you're doing is broadcasting "Hey, I'm a big, fat liar and I think you're stupid."
More FUD, Bill. Truckloads, please. Tell us that Linux t-shirts cost more or that Linux runs too well and causes shorter lifespan on CPU's.
TOC, drop, and ROI, Guys.
I'd bet it's to prevent folks from outside the targeted economies from using XP Started Edition as a cheap server OS for light duty (since you can only run a couple applications) boxes running tasks like firewalls, DNS, or print servers.
Which would be kinda foolish for Microsoft to discourage since this is the spot where Linux typically sneaks into a company's infrastructure.
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* Copyright 2001-2005 S3 Graphics, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
*
* Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
* copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"),
* to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
* the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sub license,
* and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
* Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
*
* The above copyright notice and this permission notice (including the
* next paragraph) shall be included in all copies or substantial portions
* of the Software.
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* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL
* VIA, S3 GRAPHICS, AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR
* OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE,
* ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER
* DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
*/
The problem I have with this argument is how many exploits do we have to go through before you'll acknowledge that there are probably plenty more still lurking in IE and Windows?
Patch 1 -- yay I'm safe.
Patch 2 -- whew that was a close one.
Patch 3 -- OK, everyone can relax
Patch 4 -- Fools, be secure like me...
Patch 99 -- OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Face it, Windows + IE = Script Kiddie Daycare.
... is 30,000 gamers buy HL2 at the most expensive retail price they can find and then notify Valve that they regretfully cannot accept the terms of a grossly one-sided EULA and would like a full refund.
This is not about piracy, it's about Valve exploiting the ugly side of being a wired community.
I don't care about the RIAA OR P2P file sharing. I do care about what was TAKEN FROM ME when greedy lawmakers sold my rights of fair use to greedy media companies. Before the DMCA, I could buy something and dink with it like I actually owned it (with the reasonable provision that I don't give or sell copies of it).
Forget separation of church and state, gimmie separation of Valenti and state.
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The CDDL *requires* the originator and contributors to automatically give patent grants, for good, to that CDDL code and its deratives - non-revocable.
Paul,
The strength of the GPL is it's immunity to Microsoft's infamous Embrace and Extend(tm) machinations. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around why Sun needed the CDDL instead of the GPL. The GPL is extremely contributor friendly and I think companies look at it like the neutral zone. Anything they contribute becomes a shared asset.
One of my concerns about the CDDL is perhaps it's NOT immune to Embrace, Extend, & Exterminate. Let's pretend for a moment that Open Solaris catches on like crazy and overtakes Linux -- if contributors have to assign non-revocable copyright and patent rights to Sun what's to keep Sun from releasing Closed Solaris Ultra-Profession Edition(tm) at some point? Or, pardon the tinfoil, what if Microsoft buys Sun?
IMHO, Sun is severely limiting it's appeal to a developer community by using the wonky CDDL license. You're going to recruit a handful that were already Sun enthusiasts but that's about it.
Because Windows does for computing what AoL does for the Internet -- make it prettier and slower with a whole lot less options. For a company like Pixar, who is *not* concerned about off-the-shelf software, Linux makes all kinds of sense.
If it was me, I'd do it all in Python. It even has FTP libs built in. Plus, when you're ready to dump the Windows boxes you can run the same Python scripts or Linux or a Mac.
Alex, I'm going to single you out for my token gesture from across the pond. **shakes Alex's hand** Well done, EU!
Aint variety grand? I'm running FC4 and love it.
Sure it has some kinks, but I accept that since Fedora tends to push the envelope. It's really not 'Linux for Mom' like Ubuntu. Fedora requires some heavy lifting and some RTFM-ism. I've always liked Gnome and 2.10 with Clearlooks is just gorgeous. FC4 boots faster and does a good job of detecting hardware. A week or two ago I swapped my motherboard and processor and it booted up with everything working -- despite my changing 90% of the chipset including sound and networking.
Can you imagine doing that on a Windows box?
Yes, multimedia is emasculated thanks to software patent boogeymen in the US. I do all my ripping to OGG Vorbis anyway which is supported out of the box. I've yet to find any use for the Helix movie player though.
I got caught up in the flaming when Redhat "abandoned" the free desktop but that turned out to be a lot of hype. I even went looking for a replacement after Redhat 9 but kept coming back to Fedora. I really like their "workstation" install.
For me, Fedora occupies a comfortable zone between "I can install it it in 30 mins" and "I can use it for just about any need."
As much as I hate saying this, this is one of those problems that does require money being thrown at it in order to solve. We need to hire more and better examiners. We need to pay the skilled examiners better to retain them.
... well, I have no real explanation why. Underpaid morons at the patent office I suppose.
That's called wishful thinking.
The system is fucking broken. They are permitting (in the virtual world) patents that are stupid in two extremes.
The first stupid extreme is science fiction patents. If I tried to patent invisiblity, they'd ask me (naturally), "ok, how does your method work?" Meaning I would need to invent invisibility to patent it. However, in software I can just cobble together a vague concept and hope to sue someone smart and talented later. Or better yet, find someone smart and talented, observe what they've created, THEN file a patent and sue them.
"But", you say, "they can easily challenge your evil because of the glorious and fair systems in place."
Yeah, and it will only cost them a couple of million in legal fees to attempt to prevent me robbing them.
The second stupid extreme is New Because it's VIRTUAL!. I couldn't patent a bucket or a grocery list in this world, but Amazon can patent shopping carts and Microsoft can patent 'todo lists' in the virtual world because
Labeling it as "warning: don't violate copyrights for selfish wants" or labeling it with "please: do not attempt to ingest fedora CD" amounts to the same thing -- both targeting idiots I don't care about.
I would have been happy to spell 'acknowledge' for you if you had just asked.
Because a computer is a device for changing the status of bits. Flipping bits, driving roads, and cooking food is just the machines performing their function.
I suppose when popcorn comes with a EULA I'll have to concede your point.
I suggest you doing a google on:
kerberos + microsoft + [weasles | bastards | hijack | whatever]
Sure, the BSD license is more free than the GPL and would be a terrific license if everyone played nice.
But they don't.
When are you going to wake up to the fact that you aren't the good guys anymore; that stopped when you allowed big business to control the entire electoral and political spectrum.
... that you weren't so goddamn spot on. This administration's recursive quest to kill everyone who hates is making everyone hate us.
Speaking as a lifelong citizen of the United States and military veteran, I wish
I absolutely agree. Are IT managers going to read this and actually think Linux costs more? Hell no. They are going to say, "Damn, Microsoft is reeeeeeally stretching for new studies."
FUD is great if your audience is morons. If they are aren't, then all you're doing is broadcasting "Hey, I'm a big, fat liar and I think you're stupid."
More FUD, Bill. Truckloads, please. Tell us that Linux t-shirts cost more or that Linux runs too well and causes shorter lifespan on CPU's. TOC, drop, and ROI, Guys.
Dvorak: "In the olden days, O'Gara would have been given a medal for generating readership."
Earning another medal then, John?
I'd bet it's to prevent folks from outside the targeted economies from using XP Started Edition as a cheap server OS for light duty (since you can only run a couple applications) boxes running tasks like firewalls, DNS, or print servers.
Which would be kinda foolish for Microsoft to discourage since this is the spot where Linux typically sneaks into a company's infrastructure.
I remember someone saying, 'Remember, PR36 wont boot a disk' and just laughing my ass off. I can't tell you how many times I typed that by mistake.
Quick, get ballmer on a plane with a 70% discount!
Valuejet?
/*
* Copyright 1998-2005 VIA Technologies, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
* Copyright 2001-2005 S3 Graphics, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
*
* Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
* copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"),
* to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
* the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sub license,
* and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
* Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
*
* The above copyright notice and this permission notice (including the
* next paragraph) shall be included in all copies or substantial portions
* of the Software.
*
* THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
* IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
* FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL
* VIA, S3 GRAPHICS, AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR
* OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE,
* ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER
* DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
*/
Yeah that made me laugh too. It's a clever way to filter out the lazy, clueless, and spambotian.
The problem I have with this argument is how many exploits do we have to go through before you'll acknowledge that there are probably plenty more still lurking in IE and Windows? Patch 1 -- yay I'm safe. Patch 2 -- whew that was a close one. Patch 3 -- OK, everyone can relax Patch 4 -- Fools, be secure like me ...
Patch 99 -- OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Face it, Windows + IE = Script Kiddie Daycare.
... is 30,000 gamers buy HL2 at the most expensive retail price they can find and then notify Valve that they regretfully cannot accept the terms of a grossly one-sided EULA and would like a full refund. This is not about piracy, it's about Valve exploiting the ugly side of being a wired community.
This is the same guy who wants to redine words to suit his meaning -- even the term 'Open Source' itself:8 #rewriting_history_and_vocabulary/
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan/2004080
I don't care about the RIAA OR P2P file sharing. I do care about what was TAKEN FROM ME when greedy lawmakers sold my rights of fair use to greedy media companies. Before the DMCA, I could buy something and dink with it like I actually owned it (with the reasonable provision that I don't give or sell copies of it). Forget separation of church and state, gimmie separation of Valenti and state.