The market is the "decider" and people are voting with their wallets.
GM is losing because of failure to compete on its merits. The constant
whining coming from Detroit for Washington to bail them out or make things fair is now falling
on deaf ears. Who would have ever thought that GM the largest car manufacturer
in the world would be overtaken by Toyota. Excuse the pun. Well its just simple common sense
really. Build quality vehicles that run till the wheels fall off and make them fuel efficient.
The amount of engineering matters not. See GM Impact. What matters is the
end result. At this point in time $100 fillups/300 miles is not in style.
The only thing that can save GM is to flip this whole situation on its head.
Make better quality cars than Toyota, Make trucks and SUVs (where GM is still
strong in the market) more fuel efficient than the typical sedan.
Both are a tall order for GM right now.
Really I am not sure if the "too big" argument is valid here.
Its no body's business how big a vehicle I decide to drive. What people are doing is
simply stating the obvious which is 'generally' larger vehicles typically polute more
because they guzzle more fuel. And..
Guzzlers = more fuel demand,
more demand = higher prices less supply.
If that were the case with small cars or motorcycles or scooters then
those would be under attack not SUVs.
While their commercials are annoying. I would submit that your mentality that
alternative technology/choice should disappear because you dont like the
commercials is very selfish indeed. Maybe you can afford to pay whatever
MaBell decides to make you pay but many of us may not be as rich as you are.
we will no longer be recommending Verizon.
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We are a midsize integrator in GA. We are responsible for over 400 Small business in the
state of georgia using verizon service. We had no idea that this is the way
they stifle competition. We will not be a party to desired monopoly as this only
ruins our customers choices and drive up prices. I would like to point out to the powers at Verizon
that this is absolutley not acceptable and we will refrain from this point on recommending Verizon to anyone.
We will actively seek to migrate all our customers away from Verizon as soon as their
respective contracts are up for renewal.
Its all about terrorism, child porn, and piracy
I am sick to death of them beating this dead horse.
Why dont they just get right down to it and...
1)put cameras in our homes. (They'll just check them when there is a suspicion of a crime)
2)ban all sex out side marriage
3)ban all non secular music.
4)ban all non missionary position sex
5)ban all violence on TV
6)ban all gay people
7)ban the GPL
Use installed camera to enforce all banned.
8)tag us and record where we go with gps ( they'll only check it if there is suspicion of a crime)
10)mandate car manufacturers to install tracking devices. (they'll only check it if . . . )
11)build a berlin wall around USA (to keep out terrists and drugs, and illegals and..) keep us in?
12)ban all weapons but handguns which are useless when the people wake up from Shitney Shears
and Anna Dickhole Sith and try to rise up and take back their country.
I wonder who really fooled us Americans that we have the right to
any semblance of privacy any way.
As far as the DOJ and law enforcement goes who needs to investigate anything anymore
All we the righteous people of law-enforcement need is a great big control panel
that we can monitor everyone and when we suspect them of a crime we just push a button
and voila they are in prison. Who the hell needs due process anymore
Welcome people to the United States Socialist Republic. The USSR.
I would like to start by thanking you for bringing forth you opinion on the matter of
DRM and the content industry.
First I would ask you to please explain your statement about DRM being a key "enabler" across the spectrum of available content. From a consumer perspective DRM is the great disabler of fair use rights and
Macrovision has been at the forefront of disabling consumer rights. Please explain to us what value do
consumers find in the inability to migrate legally purchased tapes to newer available media? Please
explain to us (the consumer) what "value" we find in the inability to make backups of thousands of dollars
worth of legally purchased media. Please exlpain to us the consumer how Macrovision enabled content protection
has stopped the criminal piracy of the content protected my Macromedia. You probably want to explain this to
your customers also because in the 20+ years that content and content players have been infected with your products bootlegged and pirated content has been thriving. Everything that content creators have paid
you to protect is avalable unprotected worldwide in markets and on the Internet. Your products have
done the reverse of what they were intended to do. They force the Law abider to break the law just so they
can access their own legally purchased content in new media formats. Are VCRs going to be around forever?
DVD players too? Please explain how upgrading perfectly good hardware and
devices that are capable of playing "premium content" is a "value" to the consumer. Please explain how stripping my right to play a cd in any player I chose then charging me more to do what i have been doing
for 20 years is a "value" to me the consumer. The "one size fits all" situation that you mentioned
has been in existence for ever. How has that doomed us? I think what you mean is that getting rid of
DRM will not allow the content distributor cartel to *charge more* to allow consumers to play their legally purchased media in whatever device however they feel fit as they have been able to do for decades. And you call this a value to consumers? Please explain how we the consumers are doomed if we don't have to pay more to play more.
Your idea that without DRM content owners will refuse to produce content is ludicrous. What you
are saying is that there will be no entertainment industry without Macrovision. This is pathetic
rhetoric at its best. Market dynamics are the biggest driver. Macrovision has only been around for
20 years. Didnt an entertainment industry exist before that ? Also the failure of Macrovision products to
stop wholesale piracy of Macrovision protected content is total disservice to the content creators and
owners that have funded your existence for two decades. I would say that content providers would be
better served if they stop paying you for false protection of content. They could lower the price
of the content while still recovering the same profits and driving higher sales due to lower prices.
Please explain how DRM enables the creation of more sophisticated devices. From what we have been
seeing for the last 20 years of Macrovision DRM is that it disables and encumbers sophisticated
consumer devices while doing NOTHING to prevent the criminals from mass producing and illegally
distributing content. Please explain how HDCP devices more sophisticated than non HDCP devices.
In closing I would like to point out that the enormous sums that Macrovision has siphoned from the
content creators and consumers had done absolutely nothing to protect any Macrovison protected
content and has done a lot cripple the home entertaiment industry and the rights of consumers
while the criminals continue to stay ahead of game and redistribute as they please. Your advocacy
for more draconian DRM measures will simply make it more convenient for the consumer to turn
to the criminals for content while providing a market for the criminals to thrive.
The problem with using consumer grade GPS devices in a theater of operation is
the military typically disables/degrades L-Band telemetry in that area. This
is so that insurgents aren't able to use that band effectively with consumer
grade devices. So if our soldiers are using consumer grade GPS devices on their own then
they may also suffer the same fate.
as a person responsible for over hundreds of thousands of dollars
worth of Sony products sold. And one that has mostly Sony products
I too will never ever recommend or purchase another Sony product as long
as I breathe oxygen on earth for the same reasons you listed above.
I am sorry but the American consumer is among the dumbest and most astonishingly ignorant in the entire world.
I don't think its about forgiveness Its about ignorance. Plain and simple.
When we the people realize that Sony is at the forefront of purchasing away YOUR RIGHTS from congress.
When we the people realize that Sony is among the most arrogant and draconian companies in the world and regards all their
customers as criminals.
When we the people realize that Sony will stop at nothing to dominate and dictate how we use hardware and
media.
When we are sure about these things and many others we will stop purchasing their crap.
The thing here is that just about every piece of electronic equipment I currently own is Sony. I am personally
responsible for sales of well over a million dollars worth of Sony products by proxy. But given their
practices I will never again purchase another Sony product as long as I breathe oxygen on this planet
nor will I EVER recommend their products to any of our clients or ANYONE for that matter.
I replace all my customers windows with linux so as to
alleviate the fear of the BSA kicking down their doors and
demanding licenses and now this. we are still not free from the
clutches of the established software houses no matter how hard
we try. What do I tell my customers when they hear Ballmer
beating up the lips in this fashion now ?
"Democracy by definition is a representative government and the majority of the citizens support laws that are in agreement with their beleifs and lifestyles. Since these arrests and restrictions aren't being passed in accordance with those beliefs, we are not in a democracy any longer, and so we should continue to fight to get our government back.
Don't let the government, who WE put into power, push you down. Don't let them try to silence you, so they can slip by unabated. It is OUR job to keep them in check, not the reverse."
Well fucking said.
"Meet Bob, he had the same rights as everyone. One day he fucked a watermelon, and loved it. Now he felt that he didn't have the same rights as everyone else and started a campaign for 'equal rights' and 'tolerance'."
Poor bob. Too bad he got reduced to that. At I wonder if he puts the watermelon in the microwave first.
Some questions for PorkChop. Does a user account have to exist on all macs that the ipod gets docked to ? If not does that mean that you can simply walk up to my mac and log into it without having an account on my mac? and what are the security implications here ? Does my mac need to have the same apps installed that you have on yours ? What if you have msoffice files on your ipod and I don't have msoffice on my mac? can you still edit your msoffice files on my mac? If not then how is this useful?
I currently have osx installed on some usb flash drives and I can boot any mac and the stuff I need with me on the road is there. apps, docs, music etc. I don't even carry my powerbook with me much anymore.
I also have puppy linux installed on another flash drive that will boot any fairly new pc and i can get to my docs there also and they all simply sync with a bash script and rsync. when i plug them into my mac
I find it amazing that SCO has the entire cmvc system that IBM uses to develop AIX and they have all the revisions of the dynix code and all of linux code and yet they are saying they have nothing . FTFA
"It's kind of hard for us to do that," says Brent Hatch, an attorney with Hatch, James & Dodge in Salt Lake City, "because we don't have it. It was destroyed before it could be given to us."
Does this mean that their backs are against the wall now due to lack of evidence to move forward? .
Nice micropc. maybe the smallest DRM infected PC in existence.
While almost every electronic device I own is Sony. I will never
buy another Sony product after their arrogance with that DRM infected CD fiasco
and continued arrogance in the marketplace. DRM infected hardware
is evil. They are the ring leaders of DRM infected locked down hardware.
Question. Could say a new startup hardware company redefine the market by introducing some new line of video cards that move the drivers to the card instead of the OS. such as how you explained keyboards etc work. What kind of OS / modifications would be need to faciltate this ?
I really hope that our military realizes that laser beams are still er well, light.
If we plan on shooting down warheads with this thing then it would be very difficult
to do so if the warhead has micro polished mirror finish. It would simply
reflect the beam or deflect/defract it in some fashion.
Does anyone else notice a pattern here ?
Ever since the George Deutsch fiasco I've been watching closely and now this. It seems to me
that the missions that have to do with discovering life on other planets
have been delayed/posponed? Is this because this is not a priority of the
"Intelligent Design" crowd?
I truly believe usability and functionality can be acheived for all users. #1 thru #4. The problem is how to achieve this. I think it may all begin with the default installation. When #1 buys a new computer there could be a way for the UI to know that #1 is the user.
I wonder what the smart objective people here on slashdot think about this. I am thinking of a concept such as Selectable "user modes" where
Mode #1 would be a stripped down gnome like experience. (default)
Mode #2 would attempt to replicate the look and feel of the most popular current familiar environments as much as possible. such as Winxp or OS-X
Mode #3-#4 A kde like experience tweak you life away.
On system install/purchase the OS/GUI defaults to MODE #1 Maybe a wizard on first use to help #1 and #2 get going. an Icon labeled "experience" or whatever can also be referred to later to switch back and forth between modes and will allow #3 and #4 to immedately switch to their desired mode. When user#1 outgrows mode #1 they can switch to mode #3-#4.
If you get Xen up and running then it will run windows but veeery slooowly maybe vmware will do a better job. Then again if there is any virtualization support in the Ti DSP then Xen should fly on this device.
The blue-ray format is Sonys attmept to lockup the market and remove the ability
to record out of the hands of the comsumer and small musician/studio. they tried it with
the DVD format and was partially sucessful. Now with the fully encrypted blue-ray cd
and the fact that it deliberately difficult to record data to, the consumer will suffer.
It is designed in such a way that only very expensive (licensed) equipment can
write to the disc. This is a very consumer unfriendly format and I for one will
not give Sony the Draconians any more of my money in any way shape or form. Remember If you buy Sony products you are a criminal. At least Sony thinks so.
Lets just stick to the OS here. You cannot tinker with quartz or the kernel proprietary drivers as installed on OS-X. Apple didn't offer Darwin they offered OS-X. Also the project is using Fedora core not RedHat. There is no proprietary code in Fedora. All drivers are open source as installed from the CD. Now to offer a 100% open source solution they would have to take Darwin and piece it together or take OS-X and strip the proprietary code. This is not feasable. They want an out of the box 100% open source solution to start with. Another factor here is that Apple did not guarantee that they can get OS-X and OS-XI and all other incarnations of Apple OS they only agreed to the CURRENT iteration of OS-X. If Apple decides not to hand out the next version of their OS then the Project is screwed. Remember what happened to the Apple Clone makers? I still have my Radius workstation here going strong. Also educating the 3rd world masses about operating system functions when you don't have the source to the GUI and the Kernel drivers etc is not acceptable when there are many off the shelf versions of Linux out there. Another factor is the freedom to modify and redistribute. They would not be able to modify and redistribute OS-X if they accepted Apple's offer. That would violate the OS-X License. Let me see any one of you try to modify
MACOS-X and redistribute it. A simple example. I have 100PCs I purchase OS-X (not free) and install OS-X on all the PCs and sell them. That is acceptable. What is not acceptable is if I modify OS-X and sell those PCs. Have any of you read the OS-X licence agreement. So sum it all up. The GPL license fits this project better than Apples proprietary OS-X license. Its just that simple.
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The market is the "decider" and people are voting with their wallets. GM is losing because of failure to compete on its merits. The constant whining coming from Detroit for Washington to bail them out or make things fair is now falling on deaf ears. Who would have ever thought that GM the largest car manufacturer in the world would be overtaken by Toyota. Excuse the pun. Well its just simple common sense really. Build quality vehicles that run till the wheels fall off and make them fuel efficient.
The amount of engineering matters not. See GM Impact. What matters is the end result. At this point in time $100 fillups/300 miles is not in style. The only thing that can save GM is to flip this whole situation on its head. Make better quality cars than Toyota, Make trucks and SUVs (where GM is still strong in the market) more fuel efficient than the typical sedan. Both are a tall order for GM right now.
Really I am not sure if the "too big" argument is valid here. Its no body's business how big a vehicle I decide to drive. What people are doing is simply stating the obvious which is 'generally' larger vehicles typically polute more because they guzzle more fuel. And ..
Guzzlers = more fuel demand,
more demand = higher prices less supply.
If that were the case with small cars or motorcycles or scooters then
those would be under attack not SUVs.
No you are not. Open hypocrisy is in style these days. The main stream media rarely challenges it. its disgusting really
While their commercials are annoying. I would submit that your mentality that alternative technology/choice should disappear because you dont like the commercials is very selfish indeed. Maybe you can afford to pay whatever MaBell decides to make you pay but many of us may not be as rich as you are.
We are a midsize integrator in GA. We are responsible for over 400 Small business in the state of georgia using verizon service. We had no idea that this is the way they stifle competition. We will not be a party to desired monopoly as this only ruins our customers choices and drive up prices. I would like to point out to the powers at Verizon that this is absolutley not acceptable and we will refrain from this point on recommending Verizon to anyone. We will actively seek to migrate all our customers away from Verizon as soon as their respective contracts are up for renewal.
no reflection + laser speed detection equipment(laser guns) = Useless
Its all about terrorism, child porn, and piracy I am sick to death of them beating this dead horse. Why dont they just get right down to it and ...
1)put cameras in our homes. (They'll just check them when there is a suspicion of a crime)
2)ban all sex out side marriage
3)ban all non secular music.
4)ban all non missionary position sex
5)ban all violence on TV
6)ban all gay people
7)ban the GPL
Use installed camera to enforce all banned.
8)tag us and record where we go with gps ( they'll only check it if there is suspicion of a crime)
10)mandate car manufacturers to install tracking devices. (they'll only check it if . . . )
11)build a berlin wall around USA (to keep out terrists and drugs, and illegals and..) keep us in?
12)ban all weapons but handguns which are useless when the people wake up from Shitney Shears and Anna Dickhole Sith and try to rise up and take back their country.
I wonder who really fooled us Americans that we have the right to any semblance of privacy any way.
As far as the DOJ and law enforcement goes who needs to investigate anything anymore All we the righteous people of law-enforcement need is a great big control panel that we can monitor everyone and when we suspect them of a crime we just push a button and voila they are in prison. Who the hell needs due process anymore
Welcome people to the United States Socialist Republic. The USSR.
Point well taken.
Dear Macrovision,
I would like to start by thanking you for bringing forth you opinion on the matter of DRM and the content industry.
First I would ask you to please explain your statement about DRM being a key "enabler" across the spectrum of available content. From a consumer perspective DRM is the great disabler of fair use rights and Macrovision has been at the forefront of disabling consumer rights. Please explain to us what value do consumers find in the inability to migrate legally purchased tapes to newer available media? Please explain to us (the consumer) what "value" we find in the inability to make backups of thousands of dollars worth of legally purchased media. Please exlpain to us the consumer how Macrovision enabled content protection has stopped the criminal piracy of the content protected my Macromedia. You probably want to explain this to your customers also because in the 20+ years that content and content players have been infected with your products bootlegged and pirated content has been thriving. Everything that content creators have paid you to protect is avalable unprotected worldwide in markets and on the Internet. Your products have done the reverse of what they were intended to do. They force the Law abider to break the law just so they can access their own legally purchased content in new media formats. Are VCRs going to be around forever? DVD players too? Please explain how upgrading perfectly good hardware and devices that are capable of playing "premium content" is a "value" to the consumer. Please explain how stripping my right to play a cd in any player I chose then charging me more to do what i have been doing for 20 years is a "value" to me the consumer. The "one size fits all" situation that you mentioned has been in existence for ever. How has that doomed us? I think what you mean is that getting rid of DRM will not allow the content distributor cartel to *charge more* to allow consumers to play their legally purchased media in whatever device however they feel fit as they have been able to do for decades. And you call this a value to consumers? Please explain how we the consumers are doomed if we don't have to pay more to play more.
Your idea that without DRM content owners will refuse to produce content is ludicrous. What you are saying is that there will be no entertainment industry without Macrovision. This is pathetic rhetoric at its best. Market dynamics are the biggest driver. Macrovision has only been around for 20 years. Didnt an entertainment industry exist before that ? Also the failure of Macrovision products to stop wholesale piracy of Macrovision protected content is total disservice to the content creators and owners that have funded your existence for two decades. I would say that content providers would be better served if they stop paying you for false protection of content. They could lower the price of the content while still recovering the same profits and driving higher sales due to lower prices.
Please explain how DRM enables the creation of more sophisticated devices. From what we have been seeing for the last 20 years of Macrovision DRM is that it disables and encumbers sophisticated consumer devices while doing NOTHING to prevent the criminals from mass producing and illegally distributing content. Please explain how HDCP devices more sophisticated than non HDCP devices.
In closing I would like to point out that the enormous sums that Macrovision has siphoned from the content creators and consumers had done absolutely nothing to protect any Macrovison protected content and has done a lot cripple the home entertaiment industry and the rights of consumers while the criminals continue to stay ahead of game and redistribute as they please. Your advocacy for more draconian DRM measures will simply make it more convenient for the consumer to turn to the criminals for content while providing a market for the criminals to thrive.
The problem with using consumer grade GPS devices in a theater of operation is the military typically disables/degrades L-Band telemetry in that area. This is so that insurgents aren't able to use that band effectively with consumer grade devices. So if our soldiers are using consumer grade GPS devices on their own then they may also suffer the same fate.
as a person responsible for over hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Sony products sold. And one that has mostly Sony products I too will never ever recommend or purchase another Sony product as long as I breathe oxygen on earth for the same reasons you listed above.
I am sorry but the American consumer is among the dumbest and most astonishingly ignorant in the entire world. I don't think its about forgiveness Its about ignorance. Plain and simple. When we the people realize that Sony is at the forefront of purchasing away YOUR RIGHTS from congress. When we the people realize that Sony is among the most arrogant and draconian companies in the world and regards all their customers as criminals. When we the people realize that Sony will stop at nothing to dominate and dictate how we use hardware and media. When we are sure about these things and many others we will stop purchasing their crap. The thing here is that just about every piece of electronic equipment I currently own is Sony. I am personally responsible for sales of well over a million dollars worth of Sony products by proxy. But given their practices I will never again purchase another Sony product as long as I breathe oxygen on this planet nor will I EVER recommend their products to any of our clients or ANYONE for that matter.
I replace all my customers windows with linux so as to alleviate the fear of the BSA kicking down their doors and demanding licenses and now this. we are still not free from the clutches of the established software houses no matter how hard we try. What do I tell my customers when they hear Ballmer beating up the lips in this fashion now ?
"Democracy by definition is a representative government and the majority of the citizens support laws that are in agreement with their beleifs and lifestyles. Since these arrests and restrictions aren't being passed in accordance with those beliefs, we are not in a democracy any longer, and so we should continue to fight to get our government back. Don't let the government, who WE put into power, push you down. Don't let them try to silence you, so they can slip by unabated. It is OUR job to keep them in check, not the reverse." Well fucking said.
"Meet Bob, he had the same rights as everyone. One day he fucked a watermelon, and loved it. Now he felt that he didn't have the same rights as everyone else and started a campaign for 'equal rights' and 'tolerance'." Poor bob. Too bad he got reduced to that. At I wonder if he puts the watermelon in the microwave first.
Some questions for PorkChop.
Does a user account have to exist on all macs that the ipod gets docked to ?
If not does that mean that you can simply walk up to my mac and log into it without
having an account on my mac? and what are the security implications here ?
Does my mac need to have the same apps installed that you have on yours ?
What if you have msoffice files on your ipod and I don't have msoffice on my mac?
can you still edit your msoffice files on my mac?
If not then how is this useful?
I currently have osx installed on some usb flash drives
and I can boot any mac and the stuff I need with me on the
road is there. apps, docs, music etc. I don't even carry my powerbook
with me much anymore.
I also have puppy linux installed on another flash drive that
will boot any fairly new pc and i can get to my docs there also and they all simply
sync with a bash script and rsync. when i plug them into my mac
A bit confused here
how exactly does this work ?
"It's kind of hard for us to do that," says Brent Hatch, an attorney with Hatch, James & Dodge in Salt Lake City, "because we don't have it. It was destroyed before it could be given to us."
Does this mean that their backs are against the wall now due to lack of evidence to move forward? .
Just totally amazing. What a freak show.
Nice micropc. maybe the smallest DRM infected PC in existence. While almost every electronic device I own is Sony. I will never buy another Sony product after their arrogance with that DRM infected CD fiasco and continued arrogance in the marketplace. DRM infected hardware is evil. They are the ring leaders of DRM infected locked down hardware.
Question. Could say a new startup hardware company redefine the market by introducing some new line of video cards that move the drivers to the card instead of the OS. such as how you explained keyboards etc work. What kind of OS / modifications would be need to faciltate this ?
I really hope that our military realizes that laser beams are still er well, light. If we plan on shooting down warheads with this thing then it would be very difficult to do so if the warhead has micro polished mirror finish. It would simply reflect the beam or deflect/defract it in some fashion.
A method for growing replacement lungs on a specifically designed bio-degradeable scaffold is patentable.
Does anyone else notice a pattern here ? Ever since the George Deutsch fiasco I've been watching closely and now this. It seems to me that the missions that have to do with discovering life on other planets have been delayed/posponed? Is this because this is not a priority of the "Intelligent Design" crowd?
Mode #1 would be a stripped down gnome like experience. (default)
Mode #2 would attempt to replicate the look and feel of the most popular current familiar environments as much as possible. such as Winxp or OS-X
Mode #3-#4 A kde like experience tweak you life away.
On system install/purchase the OS/GUI defaults to MODE #1 Maybe a wizard on first use to help #1 and #2 get going. an Icon labeled "experience" or whatever can also be referred to later to switch back and forth between modes and will allow #3 and #4 to immedately switch to their desired mode. When user#1 outgrows mode #1 they can switch to mode #3-#4.
What do you folks think ?If you get Xen up and running then it will run windows but veeery slooowly maybe vmware will do a better job. Then again if there is any virtualization support in the Ti DSP then Xen should fly on this device.
The blue-ray format is Sonys attmept to lockup the market and remove the ability to record out of the hands of the comsumer and small musician/studio. they tried it with the DVD format and was partially sucessful. Now with the fully encrypted blue-ray cd and the fact that it deliberately difficult to record data to, the consumer will suffer. It is designed in such a way that only very expensive (licensed) equipment can write to the disc. This is a very consumer unfriendly format and I for one will not give Sony the Draconians any more of my money in any way shape or form. Remember If you buy Sony products you are a criminal. At least Sony thinks so.
Lets just stick to the OS here. You cannot tinker with quartz or the kernel proprietary drivers as installed on OS-X. Apple didn't offer Darwin they offered OS-X. Also the project is using Fedora core not RedHat. There is no proprietary code in Fedora. All drivers are open source as installed from the CD. Now to offer a 100% open source solution they would have to take Darwin and piece it together or take OS-X and strip the proprietary code. This is not feasable. They want an out of the box 100% open source solution to start with. Another factor here is that Apple did not guarantee that they can get OS-X and OS-XI and all other incarnations of Apple OS they only agreed to the CURRENT iteration of OS-X. If Apple decides not to hand out the next version of their OS then the Project is screwed. Remember what happened to the Apple Clone makers? I still have my Radius workstation here going strong. Also educating the 3rd world masses about operating system functions when you don't have the source to the GUI and the Kernel drivers etc is not acceptable when there are many off the shelf versions of Linux out there. Another factor is the freedom to modify and redistribute. They would not be able to modify and redistribute OS-X if they accepted Apple's offer. That would violate the OS-X License. Let me see any one of you try to modify MACOS-X and redistribute it. A simple example. I have 100PCs I purchase OS-X (not free) and install OS-X on all the PCs and sell them. That is acceptable. What is not acceptable is if I modify OS-X and sell those PCs. Have any of you read the OS-X licence agreement. So sum it all up. The GPL license fits this project better than Apples proprietary OS-X license. Its just that simple.