Everyone seems to be having this problem, with VirtualPC too. Google for "Fedora 2 Virtual PC" and it comes back with a list of everyone scratching their heads. Not sure about VMWare, but the problem under VPC appears to be with X after rebooting.
Anyone know how it installs/runs on a ShuttlePC (bonus points if it's a SN41G2V2 (yes, I asked about this the other day)).
I agree with most of what you say. It would be hard to lend credibility to someone who says "Look! It says on my blog that I invented it!!" BUT, a third party may have some credibility. Sourceforge or the Wayback machine or other sites that can verify "X was uploaded on this day and this is what it looked like". I was suggesting the Internet as a low-cost/low-time alternative to a scientific journal. But you do have good points.
Actually, if you publish your material publicly (Internet) before they file the patent, and it is somewhere accessible (Internet), the examiner may stumble on it (Google) and not allow the patent.
Keep in mind that during the examination process the applicant may change what they are claiming to claim around you, but at least they can't come back and sue you for infringing since the (US case) 1449 form says your art was considered during prosecution. If you fear someone will try to patent your invention, publish early and often. Over a year and they can't swaer behind it.
Careful, despite what Shuttle and a couple reviews might claim, the Shuttle SN41G2* series of boxes are NOT quiet machines.
Hmmmm.... really? That's honestly exactly why I was getting one. I'm not too concerned about load since it will mainly be a webserver for a site no one goes to:-) and a file server for some projects I want to work on in my spare time. I was planning on swapping out the fan for a quieter/more airflow one, but other than that I intended to keep it stock. You can check out the discussion I had about it on the ABXZone forums (I chime in around page 2: psxndc). Do you happen to know how loud it is? I was told ~30 dB which is probably acceptable. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the tip. I will probably just be using this for web and storage, so I may not even need to mess with the sound driver. But if I do, at least I have a lead. Thanks!
a) I am humbled by your userid. It is an honor to converse with you. b) in addition to what you said, another definition of redact in some of the search results provided was: "to edit or revise"
I'm going to be getting a Shuttle SN41G2V2 in about a month to replace a very loud web server and was thinking of putting Linux on it. I was thinking of Fedora or Gentoo, or maybe even SuSE, but if Fedora craps out....
Seriously, I haven't run Linux in a while so I have no preference as far as distros go. I'd be interested to know how this turns out and what you normally install on the Shuttle. Thanks.
Everyone that replied is thinking too unix-y. What the parent poster was referring to was that just about every mac program you install asks for the admin password (and I think every disk image does when it gets mounted, but I'm away from my mac so I can't be sure). The key here to the reply is that the program isn't installing anything. It is simply running like Safari or Mail.app does. Therefore, it doesn't need admin privileges to do it's damage. Hope that helped.
Not so, and from what I've heard, it's not even done very often.
Apparently "yes, so".
A quick google comes up with:
A presentation by a law professor laying out general prior art requirements.
No offense, but "from what I've heard" is not very authoritative. Please provide information to the contrary.
Where I work, whenever we think a patent is invalid (all the time, if it's not our client), we search for prior art over a year before the filing date of the patent. Finding some is critical to our case because the inventor cannot claim that he was the first to invent. On the flip side, if you were the inventor, wouldn't you make every argument that there was no prior art for up to a year before your filing (since losing would mean you would lose the right to your invention?) You would do everything you could (produce dated lab notebooks, files, etc) to show that you invented your invention first. It happens in every patent invalidity litigation.
The US needs to ditch its one year grace period. As it stands, any prior art found within a year before a patent application's filing date can be swore behind. Basically it's a way an inventor can say "I invented my invention up to a year before I filed the application." The problem is that a lot of developments, especially in software, happen within a short time frame. So if Cisco files an application on 12/31/2004, they basically can claim that any disclosures, such as newsgroup discussions, open source versions, etc that happened between 12/31/2003 and their filing date do not bar their application.
Europe on the other hand (well, the PCT) has no grace period. Once the invention is disclosed, your rights are out the window. Adopting a policy like this would make it much harder for companies to troll newsgroups/web/discussion boards, get ideas, and file an application based on an implementation. It's not a total solution, but it would be a good start.
As someone that was trying to invalidate an obvious patent filed on date X for a client, let me tell you that finding stuff on the web published over 1 year beforehand was a bitch. Plenty of stuff in the 6 month range, but the web wasn't full blown back in mid 90's like it is now...
Yes, an offer-for-sale is a public disclosure. I mispoke. What I meant was that in exchange for giving an enabling disclosure, you have a limited monopoly. The idea being that you push innovation as a whole forward by teching someone how to practice your invention. In exhcange for this public how-to, you get to protect your rights to it for a limited time.
And I guarantee people tried design-arounds. That in and of itself drives innovation forward.
You are so far off base, you're at the warning track.
Patent are intended to give an inventor a monopoly, intentionally for a limited amount of time. What a patent is is a way for the government to to say "hey mr. inventor, in exchange for you publicly diclosing your invention, we will allow you to prevent anyone from practicing the invention for a limited time"
the current problem is that software moves much much faster than traditional manufacturing. Using the steel mill example, if he did run to another competitor, how long would it take them to set up shop like the first mill? My guess is months if not a year. Software on the other hand can be broken down and modified in a couple weeks if it is sufficiently complex. This significantly impacts the way people can turn around and use a competitor's technology, or on the flip side, share information and make a better world.
And why would a little guy invest in R&D? The same reason they all do: to look good for the deeper pockets. How many small companies want to develop a great product and get tons of money from an IBM or a Sun for their tech? Most.
As for "the way they work these days," the PTO decides when to examine a patent application and when it issues or goes abandoned. Yes there are tricks a lawyer or patent agent can do to lengthen examination, but that does not extend the monopoly. You have 17 years from the filing date. Period. While it it still pending there is the option to file continuations, which have their own expiration date (these are the submarine patenting procedures), but the claims for the continuation must be supported in the original specification. And not necessarily broadly. The specification must enable someone of reasonable skill in the art to practice your invention without undue experiemtation. In others words, if you don't teach it the first time around, you lost any ability to extend the monopoly
Which comes to the point that every/.'er seems to misunderstand: A patent is a business tool. It is supposed to keep your competitors from doing what you do. This may not be moral, but it is great business.
As for software patents, well, that is a harder pill to swallow given, like I said, the speed at which software develops. A 17 year monopoly in software is a lot different than a 17 year monopoly in manufacturing. However, its a dog eat dog world out there and patents are just a weapon in a business' arsenal.
I didn't even think of unchecking the patent stories. Thanks.
I know the system isn't perfect, and examiners should have more time, but it really isn't nearly as bad as the/. crowd makes it out to be. But every time a patent story comes up, everyone throws up their hands, weeps, and gnashes their teeth about how ridiculous patenting has become.
"Since when can you patent a plant??? This just shows how bad the system has become!!"
Uhhh... plant patents have existed since at least the 50's.
How can I trash the patent system when you counter with facts?!
A good link for debunking the ever present "Patents can only be afforded by huge megacorps" is the fee schedule. (link will change next time they update it)
Slashdot is why I got interested in the law. Interest in the law is why I'll leave slashdot.
Because the grand-parent post is incorrect. Naturally occuring plants are not patentable. Nor is this a "new" development, since at least one of the Amendments to the statute happened back in 1954.
I am a Computer Information Systems Professional at a major Fortune 500 corporation.
ok....
Very recently the head of our IT department decided that we were going to switch every one of our networks over to Windows XP Professional.
Hmmm.... ok. I guess that's possible.
We had previously been running OpenBSD on all our quad processor Xeons.
*bzzzzzt* You are either lying or dumb. Why install OpenBSD, which I admittedly love and am not biased against, on a quad processor system when SMP is in like alpha stage, beta at best? Because you're trolling or have no idea what you are doing. Next!
Be at the Burlington Mall in Burlington, MA tomorrow, in the Food Court near Quiznos at 5 PM EDT. I'll be the guy shaking your hand. Then we can end this "I never met anyone IRL that runs this" farce.
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Anyone know how it installs/runs on a ShuttlePC (bonus points if it's a SN41G2V2 (yes, I asked about this the other day)).
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Keep in mind that during the examination process the applicant may change what they are claiming to claim around you, but at least they can't come back and sue you for infringing since the (US case) 1449 form says your art was considered during prosecution. If you fear someone will try to patent your invention, publish early and often. Over a year and they can't swaer behind it.
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Hmmmm.... really? That's honestly exactly why I was getting one. I'm not too concerned about load since it will mainly be a webserver for a site no one goes to :-) and a file server for some projects I want to work on in my spare time. I was planning on swapping out the fan for a quieter/more airflow one, but other than that I intended to keep it stock. You can check out the discussion I had about it on the ABXZone forums (I chime in around page 2: psxndc). Do you happen to know how loud it is? I was told ~30 dB which is probably acceptable. Thanks for the info.
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I agree though, elide is a good word.
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Seriously, I haven't run Linux in a while so I have no preference as far as distros go. I'd be interested to know how this turns out and what you normally install on the Shuttle. Thanks.
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Apparently "yes, so".
A quick google comes up with:
A presentation by a law professor laying out general prior art requirements.
No offense, but "from what I've heard" is not very authoritative. Please provide information to the contrary.
Where I work, whenever we think a patent is invalid (all the time, if it's not our client), we search for prior art over a year before the filing date of the patent. Finding some is critical to our case because the inventor cannot claim that he was the first to invent. On the flip side, if you were the inventor, wouldn't you make every argument that there was no prior art for up to a year before your filing (since losing would mean you would lose the right to your invention?) You would do everything you could (produce dated lab notebooks, files, etc) to show that you invented your invention first. It happens in every patent invalidity litigation.
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Europe on the other hand (well, the PCT) has no grace period. Once the invention is disclosed, your rights are out the window. Adopting a policy like this would make it much harder for companies to troll newsgroups/web/discussion boards, get ideas, and file an application based on an implementation. It's not a total solution, but it would be a good start.
As someone that was trying to invalidate an obvious patent filed on date X for a client, let me tell you that finding stuff on the web published over 1 year beforehand was a bitch. Plenty of stuff in the 6 month range, but the web wasn't full blown back in mid 90's like it is now...
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And I guarantee people tried design-arounds. That in and of itself drives innovation forward.
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Patent are intended to give an inventor a monopoly, intentionally for a limited amount of time. What a patent is is a way for the government to to say "hey mr. inventor, in exchange for you publicly diclosing your invention, we will allow you to prevent anyone from practicing the invention for a limited time"
the current problem is that software moves much much faster than traditional manufacturing. Using the steel mill example, if he did run to another competitor, how long would it take them to set up shop like the first mill? My guess is months if not a year. Software on the other hand can be broken down and modified in a couple weeks if it is sufficiently complex. This significantly impacts the way people can turn around and use a competitor's technology, or on the flip side, share information and make a better world.
And why would a little guy invest in R&D? The same reason they all do: to look good for the deeper pockets. How many small companies want to develop a great product and get tons of money from an IBM or a Sun for their tech? Most.
As for "the way they work these days," the PTO decides when to examine a patent application and when it issues or goes abandoned. Yes there are tricks a lawyer or patent agent can do to lengthen examination, but that does not extend the monopoly. You have 17 years from the filing date. Period. While it it still pending there is the option to file continuations, which have their own expiration date (these are the submarine patenting procedures), but the claims for the continuation must be supported in the original specification. And not necessarily broadly. The specification must enable someone of reasonable skill in the art to practice your invention without undue experiemtation. In others words, if you don't teach it the first time around, you lost any ability to extend the monopoly
Which comes to the point that every /.'er seems to misunderstand: A patent is a business tool. It is supposed to keep your competitors from doing what you do. This may not be moral, but it is great business.
As for software patents, well, that is a harder pill to swallow given, like I said, the speed at which software develops. A 17 year monopoly in software is a lot different than a 17 year monopoly in manufacturing. However, its a dog eat dog world out there and patents are just a weapon in a business' arsenal.
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I know the system isn't perfect, and examiners should have more time, but it really isn't nearly as bad as the /. crowd makes it out to be. But every time a patent story comes up, everyone throws up their hands, weeps, and gnashes their teeth about how ridiculous patenting has become.
"Since when can you patent a plant??? This just shows how bad the system has become!!"
Uhhh... plant patents have existed since at least the 50's.
oi.
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A good link for debunking the ever present "Patents can only be afforded by huge megacorps" is the fee schedule. (link will change next time they update it)
Slashdot is why I got interested in the law. Interest in the law is why I'll leave slashdot.
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From the PTO website
Minor nitpick, plant patents are for 20 years accoriding to the site -truth
Never could finish the alphabet three times before the match went out... only could get to kappa. That's when the hitting began.
I wondered where the hell that commercial came from. Now I know.
IWT. IW. STFU.
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ps, I won't really be there tomorrow. Need to study for finals, but I really do libe only 15 minutes away.<g>
ok....
Very recently the head of our IT department decided that we were going to switch every one of our networks over to Windows XP Professional.
Hmmm.... ok. I guess that's possible.
We had previously been running OpenBSD on all our quad processor Xeons.
*bzzzzzt* You are either lying or dumb. Why install OpenBSD, which I admittedly love and am not biased against, on a quad processor system when SMP is in like alpha stage, beta at best? Because you're trolling or have no idea what you are doing. Next!
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