I get GPs point, but believe they asked the wrong question. The question should have been, "What do Democrats DO differently than Republicans?" The answer to that is where people say "nothing" and see that there is no difference between the parties.
Example: Barack Obama claiming "I want peace in the Middle East" is not the same thing as him continuing and extending bombing, drone campaigns, funding and arming rebels, and toppling governments that "The US does not like"
His _actions_ are not different from GW Bush in terms of actual "peace". I don't count any politicians speeches as their actions, I count their actions as their actions.
Climate has 'changed' since before humans were on this planet and will continue to change regardless of what we do with our current level of technology.
People have died since the beginning of time as well, does that mean we can no longer investigate murders and accidents? I wonder why you can not see how idiotic your argument is..
Rhetoric is not some magical thing owned by only one group. The same types of arguments to sway emotion and ignore information harming your argument have been around for at least 2,600 years. Socrates hated the Sophists because they were masters of manipulation, and cared nothing for truth and honesty.
Why do you think that we have named fallacies, which very few people learn? Oh.. because if people know to look for them the Sophistry begins to fail.
Popular != Best, which is extremely subjective. Lots of distros ship Gnome by default, Unity for Ubuntu. I know many people that load KDE and remove the others, it's a pretty desktop and highly configurable.
One of the biggest reasons I prefer KDE in the business world is the ability to Kiosk since v2.x. Something Gnome has promised since version 2 but has never delivered on, and Unity never tried to my knowledge. I can enforce all kinds of policies through the Kiosk, making things like screen lock with password automagic. Auditors love it!
Distilled water is not "better" for you, primarily because it lacks minerals that your body needs to function. A little iron is good for the body, as is a little zinc, potassium, sodium, etc.. etc... Many of these things are lacking in foods for various reasons (over processing, soil composition in industrial farming, simply poor diets, etc..)
I agree with the fluoride part, we have that in all kinds of dental products and visits. I have read numerous articles debunking the myth that distilled water is better for you.
Sure, the US needs enemies but this is not the case of faking enemy action. This attack was easily traced to Chines devices which were injecting Javascript into HTML files, resulting in a massive DDOS. The servers performing this were part of the Chinese version of Google, which returned contaminated cache pages to queries.
Call me a skeptic, but I don't think the injections were limited to the cache servers Google names. I think this was done at a lower level to achieve the scale. The reason for the attack is somewhat of a mystery as well. China can just block Github, they don't need to DDOS.
Not PT Barnum, because I see this as a niche product that some people will really like. People who are fanatic about their fitbit and facebook feeds. Since it's "Apple" it may be a bit more popular than Glass.. but time will tell.
The merger may be off, for now, but that does not mean that there will be no collusion and behaviors of a merged company down the line. Proxies are not something new in terms of abusing monopoly powers.
Sure, I am glad this deal is off. At the same time, I don't trust these mega companies holding monopolies to do the right thing.
While I agree with a portion of your statement I have to point out that there is no restriction to a "republican ideology". Democrats are on the same exact team.
We don't have either of the things you mentioned so it is completely out of our control. To go a bit further, the colonization of Mars would require Earth for quite a long time. We can't grow food or raise cattle in the Martian atmosphere, so self sustaining colonies are a very far way off. Underground cities have a similar problem with a food supply. We are very dependent on the Earth's surface, and so is our current space exploration abilities.
We can't measure "what if" against things that don't exist. Reality is a bummer sometimes.
Seems like these stories always come with quite a bit of fear mongering. We all died without the new findings, and we still die with them. *shrug* Kind of like fretting about a giant asteroid impact. Some things are out of our control, and fear/panic won't change that.
Probably true, but previous generations did not have a Government backing their actions. The fact that the Government is openly punishing free speech, and in reality amendments 1-4 have been discarded to at least an extent, plays well for "Social" movements attempting to squash those same amendments.
I quoted social due to the fact that many of these movements are not really social though presented as such. Agent provocateurs are nothing new to any Government, including the US.
Technically you are correct on Kevorkian's jail sentence. He did however lack the backing of his profession and lost his license to practice medicine because of those same acts.
Ethics is in everything, and should be. One of the biggest concerns currently with expanding AI is exactly the Ethics. People realize today how screwy people in Politics are, how dishonest they are, and how their agendas don't always match those of the populace. We can see this faster and more clearly due to the Internet (which amazingly people want controlled and censored even in the US).
Your statement which matches what I said is in regards to something being socially acceptable. Society dictates laws to meet their own criteria, and laws are required for a functional society.
Scientists don't have to answer moral questions? So you can fuck a corpse of you are scientist, as long as you claim it's for science? I realize that my example is extreme, but your statement is at least as ludicrous. Scientists DO answer ethics questions, and they must abide by ethical codes. Dr. Kevorkian was put in jail because he failed to follow the ethics of his profession.
I really can't discuss anything further while you are out in fantasy land where scientists are allowed to do what ever, when ever, without considering ethics. Come back to earth! Start with the Hippocratic Oath, then find EBEM for starters, or read a bit on bioethics. There is a whole lot of ethics in treaties we have with other nations related to science, and no it's not just weapons.
All of your concerns are fears over what might happen
0 for 2, and trust me I just pulled out the big ones. These are things that HAVE happened. People want the ethical rules in place to prevent them from happening AGAIN.
While I'm sure you can find some zealots who believe this way, the majority of people have a different perspective. There is a reason we wish to have the ethical discussions and rules laid out (which technically exist, but China ignored them). Here is a short (not complete) list of ethical concerns. The numbers don't indicate a priority, just separating them clearly.
1. If you can manipulate genes to make someone unhealthy "healthy", you also have the ability to go the opposite direction. How can we ensure that does not happen?
2. How do you prevent cookie cutter humans and have individuals vs. a template human worker bee who people in power want?
3. How do we prevent manipulations which would generate hybrids?
4. How do you price these procedures so that all levels of society have the same options? If it's only in the hands of the rich and powerful it will not benefit society, it will only benefit those people who are rich and powerful.
5. How do you audit what other people are doing with genetic manipulation?
6. How do you punish those that break the ethical Law? Who has jurisdiction? What are the penalties?
The strong insinuation that the only people questioning ethics are Luddites is extremely offensive and disingenuous. There are a good number of people who study history and remember the last time some guy wanted perfect humans. They want some regulation to ensure that a situation similar, or worse, situation does not occur again. Or at least have the framework attempting to prevent it.
The biggest issue is that people taut these implanted devices as "safer" than any other alternative. Most of us here can see through the gag, but when they market to the masses will your great aunt have the same ability to know? Perhaps not.
Most here know that "Strong" authentication requires at least 2 of 3 (something you know, something you are, something you have) and not just one of them. Security experts prefer the something you have over something you are, because we can control and monitor that thing. Something you are can usually be forged easier than a Yubi/RSA key, because high grade biometric scanners are extremely expensive.
IMHO this is just the latest crazy attempt to get people implanted. Let's not kid each other, that is the goal.
Generalizations are always a bad idea, but both of you have some valid points. In the case of Yahoo however, they were on a hiring kick for a few years. 1100 people is not small percentage. It's 8.8% of Yahoo's staff, and double what they hired over the last two years. Seems like mismanagement to me.
Calimine lotion is really not a mystery, and has been around since at least the 1960s when I was a kid and caught chicken pox.
Largest number of "serious" cases on record in the US for chicken pox is 9,000 with a population of about 300million (According to the CDC and US Census data). The highest mortality rate is 100 out of that 9,000 in the same year.
Surely I could agree that _some_ drugs for treatment are cheaper than _some_ drugs for prevention, but not all of them.
For more than a century, and from the advent of psychology to the late 1970s homosexuality was a "treatable mental disorder". For about a century, lead was believed to be beneficial to healing. Like any other time in history there can be errors. We find errors by critiquing the status quo.
Trusting someone does not make them correct, and there are a good number of medical professionals who don't believe vaccines are always safe. I know of at least two that have moved out of the country and written books about the deals certain companies make with regulators, and how they are ostracized and lose their licenses if they don't play ball.
The lack of trust is not with the Doctors. The lack of trust is in companies who have a history of caring more about profits than people. Further with a Government that is more than happy to risk it's populace for their own "science" agendas. (See the radioactive waste dumped on poor areas of LA, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Project MkUltra, etc... ). Does every Medical professional claim that Merck, Monsanto, Bayer, etc.. are all imperfect and altruistic companies aiming for a perfectly healthy populace?
No, I never made such a claim. Go back and read it again. I stated that some areas of vaccination are deserving of questions, and I provided one example of a vaccination where "forced" vaccines should be questioned. I further stated that all of my numbers could be found on CDC's web site, not some random stuff that has been disqualified. Read the CDCs information, and make sure to check dates for their publications and follow links they provide to "up to date" information.
Nothing new, but nothing new either. Tell me, how many T-Cell tests are given by all of the various outlets providing vaccines? The most common thing, which I mentioned, is that doctors often check and ask about general health prior to vaccinating kids. That was the practice in the 70s - late 1980s at least. Today there are many places providing vaccines that are not doctors.
Secondly, an abstract study does not trump the CDC for accuracy. I fully agree that testing for autism has become better, just not enough to account for the 300% increase in rates. As a few other people said, sugar consumption is higher today than 30 years ago. Average age for parents is higher than 30 years ago. Why can we not study _all_ of these things instead of claiming that 1 is immune from consideration? Oh yeah, money..
You claim I'm full of shit, then list out exactly what I called out. You claim to get testy about this, yet ignore the CDC's vaccine schedule. Fact: Varicella is not, and never has been, considered a fatal or debilitating disease. Why is it in the same category as Polio? Later you claim "it's not innocent and cute" but I don't see any proof that it's dangerous. I never claimed it was innocent or cute for that matter, I simply stated that it was not lethal or debilitating. Like I said above, 100 out of 300 million mortality rate. Outside of that, if you stop scratching the sores there are no issues. Influenza has not been considered a fatal illness since the time when we began treating dehydration by IV, yet it's in the same category as Polio as well.
The 7 vaccines you mention up until about 1989 were given how many times? Exactly once. Compared to each today being given 3 times. Varicella vaccinations did not exist until the 1990s, and went through several horrible issues and recalls (perhaps you just forgot to mention the egg based vaccine). But we can't talk about vaccines as different entities, they are all identical in ingredients, effects, and effectiveness right? WRONG.
I never ever stated that any of these vaccines were bad, go back and read my post again. I said that there has been both an increase in number and little discussion for the patient's health when giving vaccines. A perfectly healthy child getting 1xMMR is something we had 40 years experience with to know it was safe. We don't have the same track knowledge base for an unhealthy kid getting 1xMMR, 1xDTap, 1xInfluenza, 1xHep a/b (depending), gardasil, etc... every 6-12 months for years on end during their most prominent development ages. In fact, change that to the healthy kid getting all of this simultaneously, and we don't have enough research to claim it's always safe, especially if a person should not be receiving a vaccine (see next).
As I stated above, manufacturers recommend that you do not get a vaccinations all the time. In fact here is one of many CDC warnings, this one about MMR. Different vaccines have different warnings for when not to get vaccinated. Make sure you check dates and defer to the Manufacturer's information as the CDC claims they do if you are going to present a rebuttal and claim "always safe".
So I brought up several distinct points and told you that my source was the CDC. You claimed "nuh uh" to one point, lied to back your "nuh un", and finally claimed I'm full of shit. Go figure.
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I get GPs point, but believe they asked the wrong question. The question should have been, "What do Democrats DO differently than Republicans?" The answer to that is where people say "nothing" and see that there is no difference between the parties.
Example: Barack Obama claiming "I want peace in the Middle East" is not the same thing as him continuing and extending bombing, drone campaigns, funding and arming rebels, and toppling governments that "The US does not like"
His _actions_ are not different from GW Bush in terms of actual "peace". I don't count any politicians speeches as their actions, I count their actions as their actions.
Climate has 'changed' since before humans were on this planet and will continue to change regardless of what we do with our current level of technology.
People have died since the beginning of time as well, does that mean we can no longer investigate murders and accidents? I wonder why you can not see how idiotic your argument is..
Rhetoric is not some magical thing owned by only one group. The same types of arguments to sway emotion and ignore information harming your argument have been around for at least 2,600 years. Socrates hated the Sophists because they were masters of manipulation, and cared nothing for truth and honesty.
Why do you think that we have named fallacies, which very few people learn? Oh.. because if people know to look for them the Sophistry begins to fail.
Popular != Best, which is extremely subjective. Lots of distros ship Gnome by default, Unity for Ubuntu. I know many people that load KDE and remove the others, it's a pretty desktop and highly configurable.
One of the biggest reasons I prefer KDE in the business world is the ability to Kiosk since v2.x. Something Gnome has promised since version 2 but has never delivered on, and Unity never tried to my knowledge. I can enforce all kinds of policies through the Kiosk, making things like screen lock with password automagic. Auditors love it!
Distilled water is not "better" for you, primarily because it lacks minerals that your body needs to function. A little iron is good for the body, as is a little zinc, potassium, sodium, etc.. etc... Many of these things are lacking in foods for various reasons (over processing, soil composition in industrial farming, simply poor diets, etc..)
I agree with the fluoride part, we have that in all kinds of dental products and visits. I have read numerous articles debunking the myth that distilled water is better for you.
When it comes to Politicians of all kinds including Judges and Law Enforcement, they both think the rules apply to somebody else.
Had to fix that for you. You could not have possibly missed out on Baltimore, NYC, Ferguson, California, etc.. etc...
I was not comparing or discussing the technical capabilities of the device, I was discussing what I believe public reaction will be.
Sure, the US needs enemies but this is not the case of faking enemy action. This attack was easily traced to Chines devices which were injecting Javascript into HTML files, resulting in a massive DDOS. The servers performing this were part of the Chinese version of Google, which returned contaminated cache pages to queries.
Call me a skeptic, but I don't think the injections were limited to the cache servers Google names. I think this was done at a lower level to achieve the scale. The reason for the attack is somewhat of a mystery as well. China can just block Github, they don't need to DDOS.
Not PT Barnum, because I see this as a niche product that some people will really like. People who are fanatic about their fitbit and facebook feeds. Since it's "Apple" it may be a bit more popular than Glass.. but time will tell.
The merger may be off, for now, but that does not mean that there will be no collusion and behaviors of a merged company down the line. Proxies are not something new in terms of abusing monopoly powers.
Sure, I am glad this deal is off. At the same time, I don't trust these mega companies holding monopolies to do the right thing.
While I agree with a portion of your statement I have to point out that there is no restriction to a "republican ideology". Democrats are on the same exact team.
We don't have either of the things you mentioned so it is completely out of our control. To go a bit further, the colonization of Mars would require Earth for quite a long time. We can't grow food or raise cattle in the Martian atmosphere, so self sustaining colonies are a very far way off. Underground cities have a similar problem with a food supply. We are very dependent on the Earth's surface, and so is our current space exploration abilities.
We can't measure "what if" against things that don't exist. Reality is a bummer sometimes.
Seems like these stories always come with quite a bit of fear mongering. We all died without the new findings, and we still die with them. *shrug* Kind of like fretting about a giant asteroid impact. Some things are out of our control, and fear/panic won't change that.
Probably true, but previous generations did not have a Government backing their actions. The fact that the Government is openly punishing free speech, and in reality amendments 1-4 have been discarded to at least an extent, plays well for "Social" movements attempting to squash those same amendments.
I quoted social due to the fact that many of these movements are not really social though presented as such. Agent provocateurs are nothing new to any Government, including the US.
Technically you are correct on Kevorkian's jail sentence. He did however lack the backing of his profession and lost his license to practice medicine because of those same acts.
Ethics is in everything, and should be. One of the biggest concerns currently with expanding AI is exactly the Ethics. People realize today how screwy people in Politics are, how dishonest they are, and how their agendas don't always match those of the populace. We can see this faster and more clearly due to the Internet (which amazingly people want controlled and censored even in the US).
Your statement which matches what I said is in regards to something being socially acceptable. Society dictates laws to meet their own criteria, and laws are required for a functional society.
Thank you for the correction.
Scientists don't have to answer moral questions? So you can fuck a corpse of you are scientist, as long as you claim it's for science? I realize that my example is extreme, but your statement is at least as ludicrous. Scientists DO answer ethics questions, and they must abide by ethical codes. Dr. Kevorkian was put in jail because he failed to follow the ethics of his profession.
I really can't discuss anything further while you are out in fantasy land where scientists are allowed to do what ever, when ever, without considering ethics. Come back to earth! Start with the Hippocratic Oath, then find EBEM for starters, or read a bit on bioethics. There is a whole lot of ethics in treaties we have with other nations related to science, and no it's not just weapons.
All of your concerns are fears over what might happen
0 for 2, and trust me I just pulled out the big ones. These are things that HAVE happened. People want the ethical rules in place to prevent them from happening AGAIN.
While I'm sure you can find some zealots who believe this way, the majority of people have a different perspective. There is a reason we wish to have the ethical discussions and rules laid out (which technically exist, but China ignored them). Here is a short (not complete) list of ethical concerns. The numbers don't indicate a priority, just separating them clearly.
1. If you can manipulate genes to make someone unhealthy "healthy", you also have the ability to go the opposite direction. How can we ensure that does not happen?
2. How do you prevent cookie cutter humans and have individuals vs. a template human worker bee who people in power want?
3. How do we prevent manipulations which would generate hybrids?
4. How do you price these procedures so that all levels of society have the same options? If it's only in the hands of the rich and powerful it will not benefit society, it will only benefit those people who are rich and powerful.
5. How do you audit what other people are doing with genetic manipulation?
6. How do you punish those that break the ethical Law? Who has jurisdiction? What are the penalties?
The strong insinuation that the only people questioning ethics are Luddites is extremely offensive and disingenuous. There are a good number of people who study history and remember the last time some guy wanted perfect humans. They want some regulation to ensure that a situation similar, or worse, situation does not occur again. Or at least have the framework attempting to prevent it.
The biggest issue is that people taut these implanted devices as "safer" than any other alternative. Most of us here can see through the gag, but when they market to the masses will your great aunt have the same ability to know? Perhaps not.
Most here know that "Strong" authentication requires at least 2 of 3 (something you know, something you are, something you have) and not just one of them. Security experts prefer the something you have over something you are, because we can control and monitor that thing. Something you are can usually be forged easier than a Yubi/RSA key, because high grade biometric scanners are extremely expensive.
IMHO this is just the latest crazy attempt to get people implanted. Let's not kid each other, that is the goal.
Generalizations are always a bad idea, but both of you have some valid points. In the case of Yahoo however, they were on a hiring kick for a few years. 1100 people is not small percentage. It's 8.8% of Yahoo's staff, and double what they hired over the last two years. Seems like mismanagement to me.
"But Chicken Pox doesn't have a treatment drug!!"
Calimine lotion is really not a mystery, and has been around since at least the 1960s when I was a kid and caught chicken pox.
Largest number of "serious" cases on record in the US for chicken pox is 9,000 with a population of about 300million (According to the CDC and US Census data). The highest mortality rate is 100 out of that 9,000 in the same year.
Surely I could agree that _some_ drugs for treatment are cheaper than _some_ drugs for prevention, but not all of them.
For more than a century, and from the advent of psychology to the late 1970s homosexuality was a "treatable mental disorder". For about a century, lead was believed to be beneficial to healing. Like any other time in history there can be errors. We find errors by critiquing the status quo.
Trusting someone does not make them correct, and there are a good number of medical professionals who don't believe vaccines are always safe. I know of at least two that have moved out of the country and written books about the deals certain companies make with regulators, and how they are ostracized and lose their licenses if they don't play ball.
The lack of trust is not with the Doctors. The lack of trust is in companies who have a history of caring more about profits than people. Further with a Government that is more than happy to risk it's populace for their own "science" agendas. (See the radioactive waste dumped on poor areas of LA, the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Project MkUltra, etc... ). Does every Medical professional claim that Merck, Monsanto, Bayer, etc.. are all imperfect and altruistic companies aiming for a perfectly healthy populace?
No, I never made such a claim. Go back and read it again. I stated that some areas of vaccination are deserving of questions, and I provided one example of a vaccination where "forced" vaccines should be questioned. I further stated that all of my numbers could be found on CDC's web site, not some random stuff that has been disqualified. Read the CDCs information, and make sure to check dates for their publications and follow links they provide to "up to date" information.
Nothing new, but nothing new either. Tell me, how many T-Cell tests are given by all of the various outlets providing vaccines? The most common thing, which I mentioned, is that doctors often check and ask about general health prior to vaccinating kids. That was the practice in the 70s - late 1980s at least. Today there are many places providing vaccines that are not doctors.
Secondly, an abstract study does not trump the CDC for accuracy. I fully agree that testing for autism has become better, just not enough to account for the 300% increase in rates. As a few other people said, sugar consumption is higher today than 30 years ago. Average age for parents is higher than 30 years ago. Why can we not study _all_ of these things instead of claiming that 1 is immune from consideration? Oh yeah, money..
You claim I'm full of shit, then list out exactly what I called out. You claim to get testy about this, yet ignore the CDC's vaccine schedule. Fact: Varicella is not, and never has been, considered a fatal or debilitating disease. Why is it in the same category as Polio? Later you claim "it's not innocent and cute" but I don't see any proof that it's dangerous. I never claimed it was innocent or cute for that matter, I simply stated that it was not lethal or debilitating. Like I said above, 100 out of 300 million mortality rate. Outside of that, if you stop scratching the sores there are no issues. Influenza has not been considered a fatal illness since the time when we began treating dehydration by IV, yet it's in the same category as Polio as well.
The 7 vaccines you mention up until about 1989 were given how many times? Exactly once. Compared to each today being given 3 times. Varicella vaccinations did not exist until the 1990s, and went through several horrible issues and recalls (perhaps you just forgot to mention the egg based vaccine). But we can't talk about vaccines as different entities, they are all identical in ingredients, effects, and effectiveness right? WRONG.
I never ever stated that any of these vaccines were bad, go back and read my post again. I said that there has been both an increase in number and little discussion for the patient's health when giving vaccines. A perfectly healthy child getting 1xMMR is something we had 40 years experience with to know it was safe. We don't have the same track knowledge base for an unhealthy kid getting 1xMMR, 1xDTap, 1xInfluenza, 1xHep a/b (depending), gardasil, etc... every 6-12 months for years on end during their most prominent development ages. In fact, change that to the healthy kid getting all of this simultaneously, and we don't have enough research to claim it's always safe, especially if a person should not be receiving a vaccine (see next).
As I stated above, manufacturers recommend that you do not get a vaccinations all the time. In fact here is one of many CDC warnings, this one about MMR. Different vaccines have different warnings for when not to get vaccinated. Make sure you check dates and defer to the Manufacturer's information as the CDC claims they do if you are going to present a rebuttal and claim "always safe".
So I brought up several distinct points and told you that my source was the CDC. You claimed "nuh uh" to one point, lied to back your "nuh un", and finally claimed I'm full of shit. Go figure.