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Yellowstone Supervolcano Even Bigger Than We Realized

The Washington Post reports that the "supervolcano" beneath Yellowstone National Park (which, thankfully, did not kill us all in 2004, or in 2008 ) may be more dangerous when it does erupt than anyone realized until recently. Scientists have today published a paper documenting their discovery of an even larger, deeper pool of magma below the already huge reservoir near the surface. From the article: On Thursday, a team from the University of Utah published a study, in the journal Science, that for the first time offers a complete diagram of the plumbing of the Yellowstone volcanic system. The new report fills in a missing link of the system. It describes a large reservoir of hot rock, mostly solid but with some melted rock in the mix, that lies beneath a shallow, already-documented magma chamber. The newly discovered reservoir is 4.5 times larger than the chamber above it. There's enough magma there to fill the Grand Canyon. The reservoir is on top of a long plume of magma that emerges from deep within the Earth's mantle. ... “This is like a giant conduit. It starts down at 1,000 kilometers. It's a pipe that starts down in the Earth," said Robert Smith, emeritus professor of geophysics at the University of Utah and a co-author of the new paper. ... The next major, calderic eruption could be within the boundaries of the park, northeast of the old caldera. “If you have this crustal magma system that is beneath the pre-Cambrian rocks, eventually if you get enough fluid in that system, enough magma, you can create another caldera, another set of giant explosions," Smith said. "There’s no reason to think it couldn’t continue that same process and repeat that process to the northeast.”

152 comments

  1. Here's to hoping they don't find oil by sirwired · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Here's to hoping they don't find any oil there, given the earthquakes it's caused in OK.

    1. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drill baby drill?

    2. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I was thinking to drill into the reservoir now to release pressure or perhaps drill lots of holes to pump water and create steam energy. Perhaps over time this would cool the magma into stone and reduce the reservoir size and increase distance to the surface.

    3. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Twinbee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's been mentioned before, but apparently the very act of drilling could weaken the structure to force it to erupt.

      Having said that, one might be able to drill from a decent angle to maintain structure integrity as I've shown here.

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    4. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Here's to hoping they don't find any oil there, given the earthquakes it's caused in OK.

      FWIW, except for the trailer-home salesmen, people here find the annual tornado problem much more inconvenient than the increase in 1.0 to 3.0 Richter quakes.

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    5. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for sharing, Mr. One-percenter.

    6. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by towermac · · Score: 1

      Yes, carefully releasing pressure. That's half of it. AC below got the other half (not sure if he meant to).

      Lower the temperature. I was thinking fraking the perimeter would spread the heat and the surrounding earth is his heatsink...

      But what if the fracking fluid itself was some cryogenically refrigerated really cold shit? That's like, a triple whammy.

      Brilliant, or worst idea ever?

    7. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by khallow · · Score: 1

      What a dumb thing to say.

    8. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by MachineShedFred · · Score: 5, Funny

      Be sure to save game first - you may need to re-load if you don't get it quite right.

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    9. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because there's clearly no room between trailer park denizens and the 1%.

      What an idiot.

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    10. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I think you need to spend a wee bit of time watching lava flows. Atmospheric ones, ones in the rain and ones under the water. Sure the out most layer cools but then it insulates the inner layers and they simply stay hot ie lava tube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... So the tube walls cool and the lave at their core remains hot enough to leave the tube empty and you are simply doing the opposite. You are not cooling an out of control backyard barbecue but a major geologic formation. So how big the hole, how many 'centimetres' beyond the hole will you actually be cooling the cubic kilometre mass and what will you do with that steam pushing all the water out. So all you did was create an artificial geyser that would run for who knows how many millennia until the hole fills up or vanishes in the next eruption.

      There is no safe way to change pressures, anything that changes pressures in the system could cause a partial collapse in one area with a shifting of forces to weaker area and you have triggered a full eruption. Keep in mind you are not eliminating pressures, you are only shifting them, gravity and a thermo nuclear core still keep generating the exact same pressure in conjunction with the mass of 'RAFT' of solid rock, the crust we walk on, floating on it.

      What is the solution, figure out where the problem areas are, when they will be a problem and don't be anywhere near them when that is about to occur. Screw with them and you will only shift the problem to another area, not eliminate it. Want to be safe from them, colony is space is the only real solution. Just the way it is.

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    11. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just wait for winter, it'll snow a lot at Yellowstone and that should put the volcano out.

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    12. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by itzly · · Score: 1

      Want to be safe from them, colony is space is the only real solution. Just the way it is.

      Life on earth has survived worse things than Yellowstone eruptions. I'll stay here, if you don't mind.

    13. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Some forms of life on Earth have survived these eruptions before, but there are no guarantees humans would be so lucky.

    14. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by GNious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having said that, one might be able to drill from a decent angle to maintain structure integrity as I've shown here.

      I fully expected goatse or rickroll or something - very disappointed!

    15. Re: Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you think venting or cooling a super volcano with enough magma to cover the majority of the us is a plan. Go to sleep

    16. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      You mean the ice age that comes after the eruption?

    17. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by ACDChook · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert, but from what I've seen about volcanoes in general, they contain a lot of dissolved gases kept in solution by the pressure. Release the pressure, and the gas comes out of solution, causing an explosive eruption. Just like carbonation in soft drink that has been shaken. Open the bottle and release the pressure, and the gas rapidly escapes, bringing the drink with it.

    18. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Here's to hoping they don't find any oil there, given the earthquakes it's caused in OK.

      The magma is so close to the surface that there won't be the usual layer after deeper layer of hydrocarbons to go after.

      Better yet: Here's hoping they find oil near the surface, extract it, and then turn the oil deposit wells into geothermal loops.

      What an opportunity! We can extract high quality geothermal energy from the site AND cool the rock near the surface to prevent an eruption.

      Disclaimer: I am not a geologist so this probably makes no sense at all

    19. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Cooling the magma into stone could have long-term negative effects - a lot of this magma has quite a bit of dissolved gases.

      The end result is that when it erupts, the gases come out of solution and frequently drive the eruption (think shaken-up soda bottle)

      Cooling the magma will stop progression initially, but will cause the gases to accumulate - this could lead eventually to an even more catastrophic BOOM.

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    20. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having said that, one might be able to drill from a decent angle to maintain structure integrity as I've shown here.

      I fully expected goatse or rickroll or something - very disappointed!

      I didn't click on it for that very reason...but now I'm even more suspicious.

    21. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for winter, it'll snow a lot at Yellowstone and that should put the volcano out.

      Nuke it.

    22. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      Lava on ice comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Then we have the question of what happens when you throw something like liquid nitrogen into something as hot as a swimming pool - you get rapid expansion in an enclosed space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Since the caldera is pretty similar to a pressurized container, that makes it a lot like a bomb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Perhaps the whole cryogenic thing needs a bit more study?

    23. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      Humans see themselves as the top of the pyramid of species on Earth, like a giant human pyramid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... with us at the top. Few realize how often nature decides to throw bowling balls at the lower parts of that pyramid.

    24. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by sjames · · Score: 1

      I don't think you appreciate the magnitudes involved. Picture the biggest forest fire you've ever heard of. Here's a dime store squirt gun and a canteen. Go put it out. Good luck, we're all pulling for you.

      Now realize that it's nowhere near that easy.

    25. Re: Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps we should call the 1% an Alpha? We could use the greek alphabet with the Alphas at the top and the Gammas at the bottom.

    26. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by gregor-e · · Score: 1

      Think of the energy and building material that would give. All we'd need is for the molten magma stream to boil some water on the way out, and while still molten, be transported to the site of whatever massive construction project we choose. Maybe tie the two together, using some fancy Leidenfrost effect to keep the hot lava flowing on a cushion of steam. Once the lava gets to its destination, huge bots with chilled trowels would form it into walls or sculptures. With enough magma to fill the grand canyon, we could build an urban area big enough to cover most of Wyoming. Make the buildings free to homesteaders who agree to bring the buildings up to code. Name it 'Magma, Wyoming' or something. Also do a monument like Rushmore, but featuring all the presidents. Make each head the size of a mountain and call the new range The Presidentials. See? Lemons into lemonade.

    27. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Yea, like compromising a glass soda bottle that's been shaken up. That'll end well.

    28. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Any idea about this subject? More like burn baby burn! Molten stone dude!

    29. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a little bit worried that I was about to get goatse'd by clicking that link.

    30. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      I was surprised to learn that the Toba caldera was the most powerful volcanic outburst of the past 25 million years, packing more of a wallop than the Columbia River Basalt flows or any resurgent caldera, such as those associated with the Yellowstone hotspot. Seems like humans, acclimated to their native environment, are really resilient.

    31. Re:Here's to hoping they don't find oil by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      What is the solution,

      Popcorn.

      As in "Oh, Yellowstone is erupting. I'll get some popcorn to watch until all the news broadcasters are dead. Then get on with my life."

      A Yellowstone supervolcano would be devastating for the United States and most of Canada. At home, we might even get some ash fall (but we get that from Iceland already). Wouldn't be good for crops for the next couple of years, but we could probably use a 50% population drop. It'll be back in less than a century. Fuck up comms ofr a couple of years too, but the world will go on.

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  2. Darn rabbits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom.

    1. Re: Darn rabbits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kaboom is coming.

    2. Re:Darn rabbits by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.

    3. Re:Darn rabbits by towermac · · Score: 1

      ... that Earth creature has stolen it ...

    4. Re: Darn rabbits by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The zombies and dragons are coming.

    5. Re:Darn rabbits by husker_man · · Score: 2

      Boom. Boom boom boom. Boom boom. Boom! Have a nice day.

    6. Re: Darn rabbits by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      and zombie dragons!

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    7. Re:Darn rabbits by Joviex · · Score: 1

      That would be a Leeloo Dallas Badaboom.

      No kaboom for you.

  3. Xenu and Cthulhu are trapped there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    whatever we do, we shouldn't let them loose.

    1. Re:Xenu and Cthulhu are trapped there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and balrogs too; on the other hand, there might be oil down there...

  4. "...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    two negatives, and you can guess the rest.

    1. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can guess the rest.

      Well, if I had to guess, I'd say that you were implying that "no reason to think if couldn't" is the same as saying "every reason to think it will". But that doesn't make any sense, because in actuality, those two things are not the same, sorta like how "not insignificant" != "significant". So perhaps you could explain what you were actually trying to communicate?

    2. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      That means the odds are zero or greater, not one to one like you're implying.

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    3. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by Todd+Palin · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is close to certain that this chamber will erupt eventually. Eventually, on the geologic time scale, could be a really long time from now, on a human time scale. The Snake River Plains were formed by an eruption from this very system about 11 million years ago. That was long before our ancestors became human, so it really was a long time ago. When it does erupt again, the humans might be long gone. Or, maybe not.

    4. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      True, but my programmer-side was nitpicking his assumptions from the language used.

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    5. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      From my logic class I learned the first thing you said is called the inverse, but the inverse is not equal to the original statement. The equivalent is the contrapositive. We form the contrapositive by negating the first and last part and swapping them. So you get something like "it could think of a reason".

      What the hell? Not only is this volcano some super-super volcano that can destroy the world, but it can think of a reason to do so?

      Well that's it. Drones forming Skynet is one thing, but a friggin' volcano with a temper is entirely different...

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    6. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by haruchai · · Score: 1

      That explains the human sacrifice to appease the Volcano Gods - so they can release all that pent-up frustration in virgin territory

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    7. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reason to think it could.

      Don't worry, volcanoes probably aren't sentient.

    8. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm taking discrete mathematics right now, and now I hate you.

    9. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's hope that volcano doesn't get hot under the collar!

    10. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      there's no reason to think it couldn't == there's reason to think it could

    11. Re:"...no reason to think it couldn’t..." by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Yeah yeah, whatever.

  5. Dwarves by mathi · · Score: 1

    Maybe there is no coal, but with all those trees, magma, and limestone this park would make a perfect location to start a steel producing fortress.

    1. Re:Dwarves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the world's largest coalfields is located only a short train trip away in the Powder River Basin of eastern Wyoming.

  6. Interesting, but that is all by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Seems like these stories always come with quite a bit of fear mongering. We all died without the new findings, and we still die with them. *shrug* Kind of like fretting about a giant asteroid impact. Some things are out of our control, and fear/panic won't change that.

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    1. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Not completely out of our control if we colonize Mars, or start building underground cities.

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    2. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure underground is such a great idea - underwater now, that might be a different story.

    3. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I read that if this supervolcano explodes it could cause an extinction event by spewing ash into the air and blocking out the sun.

    4. Re:Interesting, but that is all by s.petry · · Score: 1

      We don't have either of the things you mentioned so it is completely out of our control. To go a bit further, the colonization of Mars would require Earth for quite a long time. We can't grow food or raise cattle in the Martian atmosphere, so self sustaining colonies are a very far way off. Underground cities have a similar problem with a food supply. We are very dependent on the Earth's surface, and so is our current space exploration abilities.

      We can't measure "what if" against things that don't exist. Reality is a bummer sometimes.

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    5. Re:Interesting, but that is all by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, it could cause what we'd think of as a "nuclear winter". Which is really how it would do most of it's global damage. The ashfall would also be off the charts, but likely confined to North America.

      Basically take the entire Yellowstone park, dig out every cubic centimeter of dirt and rocks from the surface down to the lava reservoir and just throw all of that into the stratosphere. All at once. Of course you don't want to be in the radius where the heavy stuff starts coming down on you, and that will probably be a number of entire states under significant debris.

      The rest of the world will merely need to deal with the sun being blotted out for a few years. This is what happened when Mount Tambora erupted which was only a "normal" VEI-7 eruption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1...

      Spoilers: The Year Without A Summer (1816) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y...

      A supervolcano is VEI-8+

      Note that they are supposed to be 1/10,000ish year events. Thereabouts, that seems sort of high. While Yellowstone might not go off any time soon, there are other places that might much sooner.

      The Toba eruption about 74,000 years ago is thought to have caused a genetic bottleneck in humans were we were cut down to the mere tens of thousands of people in the entire world.

      Toba being principally responsible for this bottleneck is disputed, but it should also be pointed out that humans at that time were fairly mobile, so their strategy for survival would probably not be possible for most of us. Our ancestors at the time didn't rely on agriculture and with humans only in the millions in population, we could have probably foraged and moved.

      Humans today... well let's just say that our urban populations would not have the ability to switch hunting grounds.

      I'm not sure any of the known calderas are actually thought to be ready to blow in the near future, but Yellowstone was supposed to go off in 600,000ish year intervals and I believe we're overdue. It doesn't mean it will go off any time soon, just that it's starting to look like it is time again, assuming that the characteristics of the lava reservoir are similar to last time.

    6. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      I mean we could work towards those things, perhaps quicker if we really have the inclination to do so.

      Perhaps if people cared enough, we could do it quick enough before Yellowstone's time is up.

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    7. Re:Interesting, but that is all by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      Why can't we grow plants in domes in the Martian atmosphere?

      We have the technology to go to Mars. What's lacking is the political will. We need a Kennedy to give us the vision, couched in political rhetoric, that we once had about space.

    8. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting point about Toba was that the ash cover, say in parts of the Indian subcontinent, was about 2 meters high and very soon after the eruption there was once again sings of human activity in the area.

    9. Re:Interesting, but that is all by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The Russians almost have the technology to go to Mars, but not quite, and Von Braun's body is a moulderin' in the ground so the US isn't building anything that can get much mass there any time soon.

    10. Re:Interesting, but that is all by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Of course you don't want to be in the radius where the heavy stuff starts coming down on you

      There's bits of the volcano on the North Korea/China border that came down in Japan a few thousand years ago.

    11. Re:Interesting, but that is all by itzly · · Score: 1

      Why can't we grow plants in domes in the Martian atmosphere?

      With less effort you can grow plants in domes on Earth.

    12. Re:Interesting, but that is all by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      have a look at the ash fall at the recent eruption down in Chile... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

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    13. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Growing cattle is hardly required for survival. Veganists have been surviving without it for years.
      Now I am not saying the first self sustaining Martian colonists should be veganists, but all meat and animal products should come from small livestock. Chickens for example, require only little space (even free range ones. The ones that have so much space that they don't even use half of it.).

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    14. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Luckily I live on the other side of the planet so I can die slowly from starvation.

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    15. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Nevynxxx · · Score: 1

      The UK, Greenland, possibly some of North Africa , etc etc would probably have a few dozen Tsunami's to deal with too.....

    16. Re:Interesting, but that is all by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Underground cities are possible. Nuclear powered grow lamps lighting up hydroponic farms would get you all the vegetables you would need. Water might be a problem, but I think it is a NASA solved problem on a small scale, so likely it could be solved on a larger scale.

      Mars is just as doable, it might require lenses to concentrate the sun's light, or going with grow lights, but we could do it just fine.

      What we are missing with both of these is political will, not the ability.

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    17. Re:Interesting, but that is all by wytcld · · Score: 1

      well let's just say that our urban populations would not have the ability to switch hunting grounds

      Where better to hunt? For some, having plentiful prey is the whole reason for urban living.

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  7. GeoThermal Energy anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GeoThermal Energy anyone?

    1. Re:GeoThermal Energy anyone? by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what I keep thinking: too bad we can't mine all that energy such that we'd be killing two birds with one stone: getting energy AND draining the heat from that spot, reducing the risk or magnitude of a volcanic explosion.

      It's kind of like using ocean water to solve coastal droughts: all that water sitting right next to us, but no practical way to turn it into potable water. It's a tease; at least with current technology.

    2. Re:GeoThermal Energy anyone? by boskone · · Score: 1

      or, kill three birds with one stone.

      use this geothermal energy to distill seawater to end coastal drought

    3. Re:GeoThermal Energy anyone? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      distill seawater to end coastal drought

      Wyoming is not where you seem to think it is.

    4. Re:GeoThermal Energy anyone? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Maybe it will be coastal if Yellowstone blows big enough.

    5. Re:GeoThermal Energy anyone? by tomhath · · Score: 1
      Reminds of a great calypso song by Shango

      Day after day, more people come to L... A...
      Don't you tell anybody, the whole place's slipping away
      Where can we go, when there's no San Francisco?
      Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho

      Where can we go, when there's no San Diego
      Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho
      Do you know the swim, you better learn quick Jim
      Those who don't know the swim, better sing the hymn

    6. Re:GeoThermal Energy anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CapiTaliZation AnYOnE?

  8. Hasn't hurt yet by tomhath · · Score: 4, Informative
  9. Drill now and extracting the thermal energy by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And maybe mitigate or eliminate a possible extinction event down the road.

    1. Re:Drill now and extracting the thermal energy by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      And maybe mitigate or eliminate a possible extinction event down the road.

      Like putting a pin in a balloon! Ahh, probably not the best example.

  10. Capture some smoke, ash particles before they spre by myid · · Score: 2

    Chile's Calbuco volcano erupted on April 22, "at around 1800 local time". The second picture in this article shows the eruption at sunset. From that picture, you can see that the ash and smoke from the eruption have begun to spread. According to this web page, sunset in Chile these days is about 7:10 pm. So about an hour after the eruption, the clouds of dust and smoke had already started to spread.

    Does anyone know if the smoke and ash particles are magnetic? If so, then maybe we can cut down on their spread through the atmosphere, by putting billions of magnetically-charged balloons into the atmosphere above Yellowstone, just before the eruption. Hopefully they would attract some of the smoke and ash particles, and eventually fall back to the earth.

    (Of course, this assumes that we'll have a few hours warning before the eruption, and that the balloons are all ready to go.)

  11. Inightful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can this comment be rated insightful when it completely ignores the differences in geology between Yellowstone and Oklahoma?

  12. It's like a big zit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this talk about the super-volcano that doesn't have an obvious peak reminds me of a zit I had on my back once... it was SO BIG--the sloped edges were almost flat that you couldn't tell that it was a zit. But when it finally burst, it was like a half cup of puss and mucous.

    1. Re:It's like a big zit! by vandelais · · Score: 1

      All this talk about the super-volcano that doesn't have an obvious peak reminds me of a zit I had on my back once... it was SO BIG--the sloped edges were almost flat that you couldn't tell that it was a zit. But when it finally burst, it was like a half cup of puss and mucous.

      I bet that felt awesome!

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  13. Bonus by gremlin_591002 · · Score: 2

    Living just northeast of Yellowstone means never having to worry about saying goodbye. It'll be over so fast you'll miss it.

    1. Re:Bonus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question. Would you have enough time to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye?

  14. unanswered question of scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is it of no significance as it only kills muricans or is it important and do the rest of us have to worry about it to well beyond not being able to fly for out holidays a while.!

  15. Re:Capture some smoke, ash particles before they s by khallow · · Score: 1

    (Of course, this assumes that we'll have a few hours warning before the eruption

    I think we'll probably have a few generations of warning. Ash is mostly silica, especially with Yellowstone eruptions. It won't be magnetic. And a bad eruption would be tens to hundreds of cubic kilometers of ash and stuff. You aren't going to push that around with wimpy balloons.

    The ideal solution here is to build up a considerable global food supplies of several years and not be there when the volcano erupts.

  16. Re:Capture some smoke, ash particles before they s by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

    If Yellowstone goes boom it will almost certainly wipe out most complex life on the planet, and we'll be very fortunate not to count ourselves among the casualties. I'm afraid some balloons just aren't going to cut it.

  17. Whats it burning? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    I have a question. Just what is being consumed to keep such a monstrous magma chamber X2 burning? Coal? Oil? something is keeping it molten.

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    1. Re:Whats it burning? by Black.Shuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a question. Just what is being consumed to keep such a monstrous magma chamber X2 burning? Coal? Oil? something is keeping it molten.

      The souls of the damned.

    2. Re:Whats it burning? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      The power source is the Earth's residual radioactivity, slowly breaking down and releasing heat since the formation if the planet.

    3. Re:Whats it burning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Checking wikipedia, seems like it is mostly radioactive decay and rest heat of when the earth was really fucking hot.

      On such scales, you generally aren't talking about fossil fuels anymore.

    4. Re:Whats it burning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The flow of heat from Earth's interior to the surface is estimated at 47 terawatts and comes from two main sources in roughly equal amounts: the radiogenic heat produced by the radioactive decay of isotopes in the mantle and crust, and the primordial heat left over from the formation of the Earth." - Das Google via Wiki

    5. Re:Whats it burning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The earth is nuclear powered my friend http://phys.org/news62952904.html

    6. Re:Whats it burning? by turkeyfish · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Who needs volcanology when we already have Pat Robertson to warn us.

    7. Re:Whats it burning? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      I seriously doubt OP has a soul, let alone a combustible one.

    8. Re:Whats it burning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where the fuck did you go to school? I learned that the core of the planet was molten (as in, has not cooled down since the planet was formed) not long after kindergarten.

    9. Re:Whats it burning? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Thanks to all i didn't think our planet was that radioactive to create that kinda heat so close to the surface. Could have goggled it, more fun being social with real people.:}

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    10. Re:Whats it burning? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the answer.

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  18. Obvious solution by silvermorph · · Score: 2

    Build a trench from yellowstone to the grand canyon.

    1. Re:Obvious solution by itzly · · Score: 1

      Sounds good. The colorado river is drying up anyway, so they won't be needed that canyon for anything else.

    2. Re:Obvious solution by ByTor-2112 · · Score: 1

      I'm so disappointed that you beat me to saying that.

  19. Speak For Yourself by Greyfox · · Score: 0

    The Yellowstone supervolcano killed ME in both 2004 AND 2008, you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:Speak For Yourself by Pope+Hagbard · · Score: 2

      Uh, Maine is still there.

  20. Has Hollywood heard about super volcanoes yet? by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    When it does erupt again, the humans might be long gone. Or, maybe not.

    The real question is, will humans still be here after it erupts....

    I was around when St. Helen's blew up, and that was a relatively modest eruption. A super volcano could be extinction event if it is big enough.

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  21. well now by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 1

    I see they've finally found the Earth's belly button.

    1. Re:well now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      given what's around it, I'm more inclined to think you found Earth's butt hole.

  22. It is also a supervolcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I thought it was widely known that when Yellowstone finally does go up, that will be an extinction-level event. Most of the planet will become completely uninhabitable for decades. Right on the equator might be habitable, but you can bet your bottom dollar the current residents will be pushed out by those with better weapons.

    Prepping for this is a joke. No power, no running water, no crops, no breathable air on the surface, for years and years. Your basement shelter won't keep you alive for a month under those conditions.

    1. Re: It is also a supervolcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why don't we just put a giant heatsink on it?
      Or we could go with radiators for maximum Earth overclocking!

    2. Re: It is also a supervolcano. by towermac · · Score: 1

      Oh.

      Actually, that is the answer.

    3. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Posting as AC because I just moderated.

      The most recent VEI8 was Taupo, only 24,500 years ago. Previous was Toba, 74k years ago, Neither was an extinction event.

      We've had quite recent VEI7: Tambora (1815), Samalas (1257), Taupo {again) (180) and Thera (1620BC). None of these was remotely an extinction event (though it probably sucked to be a Minonan at the time).

      If Yellowstone pops at VEI7 it will suck to be near and there will be a long, cold winter or two, worldwide. VEI8 will be worse, which is to say very bad. But the Southern Hemisphere should be slightly better. Note that the Aborigines have been in Australia for over 40,000 years, so they survived the nearby Taupo bang.

    4. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh. Well that is encouraging. Sort of.

      My understanding is that, generally speaking, when disasters like this have a bit of advanced warning to them, rich people can position themselves to be safe, leaving the brunt of the impact to fall on poor people.

      So I guess the only real task from my perspective is to make sure I am rich enough to be able to get the hell out and afford to live far enough away, on the now-more-expensive crops in an economy that might not need my skills.

    5. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by khallow · · Score: 5, Informative

      I thought it was widely known that when Yellowstone finally does go up, that will be an extinction-level event. Most of the planet will become completely uninhabitable for decades.

      Not true. We need to remember that there are more than 100 known caldera eruptions of the Yellowstone hotspot as it migrated from eastern Oregon to its present location over the past 16 million years. None of these eruptions, including the big eruption of 2 million years ago, are tied to known global extinction events over this time period.

      Sure, if you were a plant or animal with a limited range too close to one of these supervolcano eruptions, you were out of luck, but we don't see global impact over the known lifespan of the hotspot. If it were remotely as bad as you claim, we would have seen some obvious signs of it in the fossil record, which we don't.

      Further, why would the Earth's atmosphere become unbreathable? Sure, there's a lot of ash and gases released in a supervolcano eruption. But the Earth's atmosphere is much bigger than that and most of those gases, aside from carbon dioxide and other relatively insoluble gases, would wash out in rain. The remnant that remains in the stratosphere wouldn't have much effect precisely because of how little there is in the stratosphere.

      Prepping for this is a joke. No power, no running water, no crops, no breathable air on the surface, for years and years. Your basement shelter won't keep you alive for a month under those conditions.

      Enough lead time and you can prep for anything nature throws at you other than universe-scale problems like the heat death of the universe. Maybe even that can be managed successfully though I'm not feeling up to it.

    6. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      Enough lead time and you can prep for anything nature throws at you other than universe-scale problems like the heat death of the universe. Maybe even that can be managed successfully though I'm not feeling up to it.

      Yeah, so we know that the sun will burn out in ~5 billion years. Get cracking.

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    7. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by khallow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so we know that the sun will burn out in ~5 billion years. Get cracking.

      Move to a star that isn't burning out at that time. In five billion years, you can move the Earth as well not just yourself. Solved that problem.

    8. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      We can just use Jupiter as fuel for Spaceship Earth.

    9. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

      General "Buck" Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

      Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

      Ambassador de Sadesky: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

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    10. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by khallow · · Score: 1

      Larry Niven used Uranus and nuclear fusion of its atmosphere to move the Earth, via a series of flybys in the story, "A World Out of Time". I personally was thinking more loops of asteroids doing flybys of Earth and Jupiter, slowly transferring velocity from Jupiter to Earth and various other planets and bodies of interest. And yes, while the occasional impact by a misplaced asteroid would suck, getting baked by the Sun probably would suck a lot more.

    11. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by itzly · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so we know that the sun will burn out in ~5 billion years. Get cracking.

      Luckily we'll all be dead long before that.

    12. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, so we know that the sun will burn out in ~5 billion years.

      I read that the first time as 5 million.

      Had me in a bit of a panic for a moment.

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    13. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe you will. I plan to live forever, possibly as a fish, or maybe a sentient brassiere.

    14. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Enough lead time and you can prep for anything nature throws at you other than universe-scale problems like the heat death of the universe. Maybe even that can be managed successfully though I'm not feeling up to it.

      Understandable. Heat death of the universe can leave you feeling a little run down.

    15. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Me too. I was planning on living for at least 6 or 7 million years. But not 5 billion because that would be silly.

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    16. Re:It is also a supervolcano. by gregor-e · · Score: 1

      Or just kick Jupiter into the Sun, like tossing another log on the fire.

  23. The steam explosion to end all steam explosions by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    Pipe all that magma into the ocean, release vast amounts of steam that turns into precipitation to end droughts, easy. You're welcome, now get to work and make that happen.

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    1. Re:The steam explosion to end all steam explosions by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      We didn't need Washington State and Montana anyhow. They can't produce decent basketball teams.

  24. Deccan Traps by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    A super volcano could be extinction event if it is big enough.

    Not unless it is a lot bigger. The one that occurred around the time of the extinction of the Dinosaurs gave rise to the Deccan Traps.

    To put the scale of this extinction-level eruption in context the article mentions that the new, larger chamber under Yellowstone contains enough magma to fill the Grand Canyon which according to here is 4,170 cubic kilometres. The Deccan trap eruptions produced 512,000 cubic kilometres over 30k years. A Yellowstone eruption would certainly cause a lot of devastation over a large area of North America but its peanuts compared to an extinction level event.

    1. Re:Deccan Traps by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      It would probably not cause humans to go extinct, but it could come close. It would probably be the equivalent of a fairly substantial nuclear war.

      Deaths would be in the billions, although mostly from secondary effects like crop failure and disease. And yeah, you could kiss the Western USA goodbye.

    2. Re:Deccan Traps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prevailing winds over the US are west to east.
      The Eastern US sits squarely in the proverbial bullseye.
      After the ash clouds migrate around the Earth, much of the Western US, west of the Rockies, would be subjected to the lowest range of the scale for fallout amounts recorded over the Northern Hemisphere.

    3. Re:Deccan Traps by W1sdOm_tOOth · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm amazed, we're sitting here talking about a nuclear holocaust, casually discussing the destruction of the entire planet, and ignoring the major issue, which is the appalling record of this government. The real tragedy here is that three million people will die... unemployed!

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  25. Thank Goodness by turkeyfish · · Score: 2

    Thank goodness the republicans have cut funding for projects like these out of the new NSF geosciences budget.

    The last thing we need to do is learn about the risk associated with living on our planet. No doubt it will be far better if the residents of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho and points east never worry about science and certainly a lot cheaper just to refer to such potential catastrophe as the "rapture". After all, who needs scientists when we have Michelle Bachmann?

    1. Re:Thank Goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank goodness the republicans have cut funding for projects like these out of the new NSF geosciences budget.

      And with good sense. Seriously, it's all getting silly. Don't get us wrong, we are all for science. But, one thing is having fun with rocks and things, and another when it begins interfering with serious things like real state prices...

    2. Re:Thank Goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother to learn about the risk of something that's unchangeable?

    3. Re:Thank Goodness by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Well... to be fair, Yellowstone erupting is one of those things that's just so bad that there's not a whole lot of planning we CAN do. About the only possible survival strategy is: "Be in Australia when it happens.". The problem with that plan though is that there are also super volcanos in Indonesia and New Zealand that could do to the southern hemisphere what Yellowstone can to the north.

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  26. Confusing Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it. How big is it compared to the size of Texas? How many Libraries Of Congress will fit in it?

  27. It is a problem of scale. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most we could possibly do with current technology is just a drop in the bucket.

    1. Re:It is a problem of scale. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Woven graphene, all the way to space. The Yellowstone Space Elevator.

  28. Screw that, let's get FRACKING! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    Find some inactive seismic fault, pump some fracking lube down there, and every 90 minutes it's going to spray methane hydrates into the sky like billowing clouds of cash!

  29. 2005-2007 by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    which, thankfully, did not kill us all in 2004, or in 2008

    2005-2007: no data

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  30. We have to learn how to by azav · · Score: 1

    rill into them to release the pressure in the form of lava.

    All volcanos are merely giant zits that will pop unless lanced.

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  32. The Pratchett-Baxter effect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this a scenario where a mega-eruption is about to destroy "life as we know it"?
    Where are the stepper boxes? Did someone see Lobsang?

  33. Relieve the pressure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if it could be done? In Iceland they are drilling for energy, drill a little deeper and drain of the magma pool a little bit at a time to relieve the pressure.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/icelandic-drilling-project-opens-door-to-volcano-powered-electricity/

    I know I don't want another year without a summer like in 1816!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

  34. Time to stock up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There must be a lot of diamonds, redstone, lapis lazuli and obsidians around it

  35. A couple thoughts on Yellowstone by pebear · · Score: 2

    1. The Russians came out last week and stated that they were specifically targeting Yellowstone with nukes as a way to take out at least 2/3 of the US. They seem to think if they can get penetration with several nukes they can kick off an eruption. Crazy Russians. Maybe we do live in a glass house after all. 2. Since we seem to be able to create earth quakes by simply dumping salt water and waste water into miles deep caverns below West Texas and Oklahoma why can't we use that water to cool and solidify and artificially stabilize the magma chamber. In Iceland they were able to cool lava flows and they have saved several towns by pumping cool ocean water on the on coming lava flows. You would think that we can truly become masters of this planet.

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