you're right, the poor should pay the same as the rich because there are infinite resources and people are poor only because they are lazy, and let's face it, poor or rich, everyone has access to the same resources and is born into the same exact social and economic strata, so it's a level playing field.
" Let's say you have a die and the probability that it will roll a 1 is increasing and the probability that it will roll a 6 is also increasing. You cannot tell from any one particular die roll whether that is evidence that the probabilities of the die rolling particular values is changing. But if you graph the die rolls over a long period of time and observe the change in probabilities empirically, that is evidence that the probabilities are changing. Any particular roll of a 1 or a 6 proves nothing, other than the probability of rolling a 1 or a 6 is not zero. But if you roll the die 100 times and observe 50 of those rolls are a 1 or 6, that does say something about the distribution of die rolls, in particular that the die does seem to now be favoring 1 and 6 results.. "
i don't think you understand probability. every roll is distinct from each other one, no roll has any bearing on the previous or next roll.
"Luckily most societies including our own recognize a difference between "kill", "put to death", and "murder".
Im fairly certain most dictionaries make that distinction as well."
dictionaries don't define sentences. and as for societies recognizing a difference, just because a society recognizes something as the right thing to do, doesn't mean it is, no matter how they "define" their actions.
examples abound, even the most obvious conclusions drive this point home...
"Lastly, if you go into a hospital or see your doctor on pot or meth, even if they know you used. They're likely to give you a diagnosis of schizophenia or bipolar, and start major tranquilizer/antipsychotic treatment immediately."
this is complete bullshit, i know from personal experience that if you are in a hospital, under observation because of the effects of drugs they will wait until your system is cleared of the drugs to make a definitive diagnosis, they know all too well the effects of all of the major drugs and how they can mimic actual psychological conditions... they are there to help you not hurt you.
in the case i know first hand, the treatment of tranquilizers and/or anti psychotic drugs was completely voluntary and unless there is a court order for these treatments prior to hospitalization it is illegal to force a patient on this medication or any medication other than that which might save their life (e.g. naloxone for heroin overdose).
unfortunately your glaring misunderstanding of how mental institutions work either smacks of ineptitude or outright ignorance, but hopefully not willful ignorance.
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" The cable news at the time came in two flavors, CNN and CNN"
you are seriously equating fox with cnn and comparing them as two "news" outlets with opposing slants? Nice try but 15 hours of fox programming is not even news, it's editorial/opinion by fox's own addmission.
"In an interview, Mr. Clemente suggested that there was an element of âoeshoot the messengerâ in the back and forth. âoeSometimes itâ(TM)s actually helpful to have an organization or a person that you can go up against for whatever reason,â he said. Related Media Decoder: Axelrod and Ailes Meet, but Details Are Few The Media Equation: The Battle Between the White House and Fox News (October 18, 2009) Times Topics: News Corporation
Fox argues that its news hours â" 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays â" are objective. The channel has taken pains recently to highlight its news programs, including the two hours led by Shepard Smith, its chief news anchor. And its daytime newscasts draw more viewers than CNN or MSNBCâ(TM)s prime-time programs.
âoeThe average consumer certainly knows the difference between the A section of the newspaper and the editorial page,â Mr. Clemente said."
this is for the most part true, the only way they can all truly speak the same language is through th3 written word, although there was (is) a big push for everyone to learn, if not outright only speak, mandarin as the "official" dialect... so some of the smaller dialects know Mandarin as well as their local dialect.
Cantonese is one of the other big dialects afair (from talking with an old chinese friend of mine who loved to speak of his culture)
they need to verify their own target "red cards" as well, as these are basically like instant check fund transfers so they need to guarantee funds are sufficient with the bank for which they are attached.
too bad you didn't retract the derision inherent in your first post as well, for although you admit your mistake you still (very easily) judged and condemned him without knowing the facts needed to make such judgements and condemnation.
is this because their eyes are dimensionally smaller as well? I always thought the reason wasps/bees make octagonal compartments are because their eyes see in that way, would make sense if their eyes didn't line up the the compartments...
here here, it frustrates me so intensely i would disconnect my direct TV (they sdo the same thing, although not as bad as comcast, yet) and never watch tv again but my wife loves that "reality" drama shit (e.g housewives) and i like having sex =/
you can get streaming OR mail or you can pay more for both... fyi in case you thought you still had to pay for both if you only want one....(it used to be like that)
this is probably the best summation of the telecoms in regards to their business model and it's problems that i've ever seen.. i'd mod you up if i could!
"Science doesn't need to disprove anything since there is no reason to believe in a god in the first place"
i think it all stems from 100s (1000s?) of people (prophets) telling everyone they spoke for god and then just as they said would happen, miraculous events took place... over and over and over again. eventually people came to believe it was true.
now this lends to an obvious conclusion most people make, why doesnt god just prove himself OR why did he stop doing these things to prove he exists.
i guess it has to do with what he wants from us, belief, and more importantly the abilty to NOT believe but a path to understand if we so desire.
would dawkins be an atheist if he was standing before god? would anybody?
being able to not believe but still have the ability to is quite the balancing act and looking at today's comments it seems to have worked...
one last thing i'd like to add, if god appeared on earth today, and sufficiently PROVED to all he is as he says and everyone on earth believed, then he left... how long until we had this same discussion again?
1000 years? 2? 5?
keep in mind we have had problems keeping any type of media around and working even in the last 100 years.
" but certainly many Christians believe God performs miracles ('magical') and answers prayers ('grant-wishing'). We often refer to outer space as "The Heavens," which is, apparently, where God hangs out."
miracles and magic are two different things if you are referencing what christians (and jews and muslims for that case) believe since magic is expressly identified as a sin (and those who practice it's craft) and god performs miracles, they are expressly distinct but acknowledged powers.
Prayers are any discussion between a believer and god, if you meant blessings then you'd still be wrong as you don't have to ask for a blessing, if you are trying to denigrate someone who gives to those who ask, then go slap your parents as they are just as stupid in your example.
"We often refer to outer space as "The Heavens," which is, apparently, where God hangs out."
if you wanted to make fun of those who believe that god exists in a plane of influence that is "above" or "beyond" our own then go make fun of string theorists as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Extra_dimensions
In fact, cosmology and evolution have shown that those myths are not factual. There was never a global flood that killed all animals and humans and we are not descendants of just two animals and Noah's family. Also the earth and sun was not poofed out of nothing by god but was formed through natural laws (gravity and atomic fusion). Also humankind was not poofed out of nothing by god and we are not descendants of just two individuals.
" In fact, cosmology and evolution have shown that those myths are not factual."
dna geneology can trace human origins to a central "cradle of life"?
"There was never a global flood that killed all animals and humans and we are not descendants of just two animals and Noah's family. "
where does it say global? if anything it was regional but large enough to cover a huge area...
" Also the earth and sun was not poofed out of nothing by god"
the earth and sun we're not created in a big bang that arose out of nothing?
" Also humankind was not poofed out of nothing by god and we are not descendants of just two individuals."
actually it says god made two people from the minerals found on earth (dirt) which molecularly is 100% true, and the bible doesn't say all mankind evolved from those two, maybe you should read it again without the atheistic blinders on....
"You might think that is a stretch. I'm only championing neutrality here. True neutral defaults to only that which we can work with in a tangible sense. When you employ that in your reasoning process, I think many things become self evident in nature.
Filthy Neutrals... you never know where they stand!
" even if we don't understand it, we can mimic it.""
then comes understanding it, then comes manipulating it, then comes controlling it.
who needs subliminal advertising when you can control it directly....(fry's dream of lightspeed briefs come to mind) since the brain is electrochemical, figuring out how to do this remotely shouldn't be an issue, or following this to it's natural conclusion maybe those tinfoil hats do work and we're all being zapped with the incredulous beam when considering the cries of those who "know better".
this was the case with all of yahoo's "products", in my group we used what worked for us in the ways we needed them to work.. much to the chagrin of those who cheer-lead the hardest, this was nowhere better felt than their internal push to get all employees to use yahoo search instead of google.
eating one's own dog food is one thing, but to limit employee productivity when those employees have no direct influence in making the food better? all it did was waste cycles and goodwill by trying to force people who didnt want to use yahoo services to use them anyway, which wasn't (imho) so much about improving them as driving up the stats of per clicks for marketing and ad revenue (more than once i overheard talk along the lines of "if everyone at this location used yahoo search instead it would bump us up by 10k users daily!!!).
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you're right, the poor should pay the same as the rich because there are infinite resources and people are poor only because they are lazy, and let's face it, poor or rich, everyone has access to the same resources and is born into the same exact social and economic strata, so it's a level playing field.
so the west is better off today because their standard of living hasn't reached the poverty of third worlds? seriously?
" Let's say you have a die and the probability that it will roll a 1 is increasing and the probability that it will roll a 6 is also increasing. You cannot tell from any one particular die roll whether that is evidence that the probabilities of the die rolling particular values is changing. But if you graph the die rolls over a long period of time and observe the change in probabilities empirically, that is evidence that the probabilities are changing. Any particular roll of a 1 or a 6 proves nothing, other than the probability of rolling a 1 or a 6 is not zero. But if you roll the die 100 times and observe 50 of those rolls are a 1 or 6, that does say something about the distribution of die rolls, in particular that the die does seem to now be favoring 1 and 6 results.. "
i don't think you understand probability. every roll is distinct from each other one, no roll has any bearing on the previous or next roll.
iirc this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy
"Luckily most societies including our own recognize a difference between "kill", "put to death", and "murder".
Im fairly certain most dictionaries make that distinction as well."
dictionaries don't define sentences. and as for societies recognizing a difference, just because a society recognizes something as the right thing to do, doesn't mean it is, no matter how they "define" their actions.
examples abound, even the most obvious conclusions drive this point home...
"Then again, I have the inherent ability to simulate the entire universe in my head on the cosmic or subatomic level so... "
i thought this was a common ability?
"Lastly, if you go into a hospital or see your doctor on pot or meth, even if they know you used. They're likely to give you a diagnosis of schizophenia or bipolar, and start major tranquilizer/antipsychotic treatment immediately."
this is complete bullshit, i know from personal experience that if you are in a hospital, under observation because of the effects of drugs they will wait until your system is cleared of the drugs to make a definitive diagnosis, they know all too well the effects of all of the major drugs and how they can mimic actual psychological conditions... they are there to help you not hurt you.
in the case i know first hand, the treatment of tranquilizers and/or anti psychotic drugs was completely voluntary and unless there is a court order for these treatments prior to hospitalization it is illegal to force a patient on this medication or any medication other than that which might save their life (e.g. naloxone for heroin overdose).
unfortunately your glaring misunderstanding of how mental institutions work either smacks of ineptitude or outright ignorance, but hopefully not willful ignorance.
" The cable news at the time came in two flavors, CNN and CNN"
you are seriously equating fox with cnn and comparing them as two "news" outlets with opposing slants? Nice try but 15 hours of fox programming is not even news, it's editorial/opinion by fox's own addmission.
"In an interview, Mr. Clemente suggested that there was an element of âoeshoot the messengerâ in the back and forth. âoeSometimes itâ(TM)s actually helpful to have an organization or a person that you can go up against for whatever reason,â he said.
Related
Media Decoder: Axelrod and Ailes Meet, but Details Are Few
The Media Equation: The Battle Between the White House and Fox News (October 18, 2009)
Times Topics: News Corporation
Fox argues that its news hours â" 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. on weekdays â" are objective. The channel has taken pains recently to highlight its news programs, including the two hours led by Shepard Smith, its chief news anchor. And its daytime newscasts draw more viewers than CNN or MSNBCâ(TM)s prime-time programs.
âoeThe average consumer certainly knows the difference between the A section of the newspaper and the editorial page,â Mr. Clemente said."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/business/media/12fox.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=2&adxnnlx=1388448032-OBHzGQcDWN2cqwKwhPltIA
thank you edison, i thought you had died years ago, you prick
sincerely,
-telsa
this is for the most part true, the only way they can all truly speak the same language is through th3 written word, although there was (is) a big push for everyone to learn, if not outright only speak, mandarin as the "official" dialect... so some of the smaller dialects know Mandarin as well as their local dialect.
Cantonese is one of the other big dialects afair (from talking with an old chinese friend of mine who loved to speak of his culture)
they need to verify their own target "red cards" as well, as these are basically like instant check fund transfers so they need to guarantee funds are sufficient with the bank for which they are attached.
you missed the trailing " on "synonym
not pedantic enough perhaps?
too bad you didn't retract the derision inherent in your first post as well, for although you admit your mistake you still (very easily) judged and condemned him without knowing the facts needed to make such judgements and condemnation.
we aren't the ones who you owe an apology.
is this because their eyes are dimensionally smaller as well? I always thought the reason wasps/bees make octagonal compartments are because their eyes see in that way, would make sense if their eyes didn't line up the the compartments...
here here, it frustrates me so intensely i would disconnect my direct TV (they sdo the same thing, although not as bad as comcast, yet) and never watch tv again but my wife loves that "reality" drama shit (e.g housewives) and i like having sex =/
you can get streaming OR mail or you can pay more for both... fyi in case you thought you still had to pay for both if you only want one....(it used to be like that)
this is probably the best summation of the telecoms in regards to their business model and it's problems that i've ever seen.. i'd mod you up if i could!
"Science doesn't need to disprove anything since there is no reason to believe in a god in the first place"
i think it all stems from 100s (1000s?) of people (prophets) telling everyone they spoke for god and then just as they said would happen, miraculous events took place... over and over and over again. eventually people came to believe it was true.
now this lends to an obvious conclusion most people make, why doesnt god just prove himself OR why did he stop doing these things to prove he exists.
i guess it has to do with what he wants from us, belief, and more importantly the abilty to NOT believe but a path to understand if we so desire.
would dawkins be an atheist if he was standing before god? would anybody?
being able to not believe but still have the ability to is quite the balancing act and looking at today's comments it seems to have worked...
one last thing i'd like to add, if god appeared on earth today, and sufficiently PROVED to all he is as he says and everyone on earth believed, then he left... how long until we had this same discussion again?
1000 years? 2? 5?
keep in mind we have had problems keeping any type of media around and working even in the last 100 years.
" but certainly many Christians believe God performs miracles ('magical') and answers prayers ('grant-wishing'). We often refer to outer space as "The Heavens," which is, apparently, where God hangs out."
miracles and magic are two different things if you are referencing what christians (and jews and muslims for that case) believe since magic is expressly identified as a sin (and those who practice it's craft) and god performs miracles, they are expressly distinct but acknowledged powers.
Prayers are any discussion between a believer and god, if you meant blessings then you'd still be wrong as you don't have to ask for a blessing, if you are trying to denigrate someone who gives to those who ask, then go slap your parents as they are just as stupid in your example.
"We often refer to outer space as "The Heavens," which is, apparently, where God hangs out."
if you wanted to make fun of those who believe that god exists in a plane of influence that is "above" or "beyond" our own then go make fun of string theorists as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Extra_dimensions
so when someone wrongs you, you wrong them right back?
got it, dawkins is quite the leader there...
where i wrote:
the earth and sun we're not created in a big bang that arose out of nothing?
i meant were* not we're, sorry
In fact, cosmology and evolution have shown that those myths are not factual. There was never a global flood that killed all animals and humans and we are not descendants of just two animals and Noah's family. Also the earth and sun was not poofed out of nothing by god but was formed through natural laws (gravity and atomic fusion). Also humankind was not poofed out of nothing by god and we are not descendants of just two individuals.
" In fact, cosmology and evolution have shown that those myths are not factual."
dna geneology can trace human origins to a central "cradle of life"?
"There was never a global flood that killed all animals and humans and we are not descendants of just two animals and Noah's family. "
where does it say global? if anything it was regional but large enough to cover a huge area...
" Also the earth and sun was not poofed out of nothing by god"
the earth and sun we're not created in a big bang that arose out of nothing?
" Also humankind was not poofed out of nothing by god and we are not descendants of just two individuals."
actually it says god made two people from the minerals found on earth (dirt) which molecularly is 100% true, and the bible doesn't say all mankind evolved from those two, maybe you should read it again without the atheistic blinders on....
"You might think that is a stretch. I'm only championing neutrality here. True neutral defaults to only that which we can work with in a tangible sense. When you employ that in your reasoning process, I think many things become self evident in nature.
Filthy Neutrals... you never know where they stand!
" even if we don't understand it, we can mimic it.""
then comes understanding it, then comes manipulating it, then comes controlling it.
who needs subliminal advertising when you can control it directly....(fry's dream of lightspeed briefs come to mind) since the brain is electrochemical, figuring out how to do this remotely shouldn't be an issue, or following this to it's natural conclusion maybe those tinfoil hats do work and we're all being zapped with the incredulous beam when considering the cries of those who "know better".
this was the case with all of yahoo's "products", in my group we used what worked for us in the ways we needed them to work.. much to the chagrin of those who cheer-lead the hardest, this was nowhere better felt than their internal push to get all employees to use yahoo search instead of google.
eating one's own dog food is one thing, but to limit employee productivity when those employees have no direct influence in making the food better? all it did was waste cycles and goodwill by trying to force people who didnt want to use yahoo services to use them anyway, which wasn't (imho) so much about improving them as driving up the stats of per clicks for marketing and ad revenue (more than once i overheard talk along the lines of "if everyone at this location used yahoo search instead it would bump us up by 10k users daily!!!).
-former yahoo IT dood
or just use honey which is nature's antibiotic