the hardest part of "teaching" AI is finding a reason for it to learn, you offer to use a mechanism based on reward and punishment:
"Motivation Layer
The idea behind motivation is to use reward and punishment stimuli to motivate the network to behave a certain way, i.e., to play a good game of chess. The motivational system will involve both sensors and effectors. Whatever the final motivation principle turns out to be, it will be tied to expectation learning in short and long-term memory. Above all, it will be a simple mechanism based on the powerful Principle of Complementarity."
but couldn't find anything that describes this in a way that pertains to reward and punishment.. care to elaborate?
At the level of "teaching" you say you are trying to achieve (from the ground up) what possible reward can you hope to offer AI to make forging it's own neural network from scratch worthwhile considering there is none to begin with to interpret the possibility of a "reward"?
for the most part though, the pirates do this to be the "best/fastest" on the "scene". To distribute a crack with a virus would destroy their reputation.
I have multiple computers and multiple steam accounts, only one steam account has the majority of my games.
I like to play counter-strike while my wife plays peggle, unfortunately they are on the same account.. so i have to log in on her system, exit steam, disable the nic, then start steam again (if you don't login the first time while it is online it sometimes complains) then she can play.
BUT there are times when i am playing CS and she goes to play peggle forgetting the dance we have to do and i get kciked off.. or she doesn't know how to get back onto the net when she goes to try the next day or such.
It is a big pain if you have one account and multiple games, likewise remembering 4 different usernames for 4 diff accounts.
"Except if they are more advanced then we are, so they could spy on us, and conclude from our behavior that there is third representation of God - Son, i.e. Christ."
That would make sense why God would then instruct us to differ our selves gender wise, so that the good sons who did not eat of the tree would know who was male and who was female when they were watching us.
"In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars "
stars->our solar system
Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
how are Suns formed? is it possible to have the elements gathered for a sun and planet without the sun novae? (asking, don't know). it's definitely possible that the "heavens" existed before our solar system formed (esp since we are not the center of the universe)
"3) Whales are mammalians, a late addition to the animal worlds. Certainly came after the reptilians and insects. "
I don't see whales mentioned? I doubt any early man (around time of moses) would know what a "whale" is?
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22
"In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants"
Flowering plants are before animals/creatures, are you saying plants didn't exist before animals/creatures?
"more damning as said above angiosperm are a late addition only 130+ million year old roughly "
one species does not a damnation make, vegetation is different than narrowing it down to _flowers_
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds.
the only point i see is birds seem to be out of order.
""Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" Exodus 22:18
A witch, based on most Christian teachings, is anyone who doesn't believe in Christ and practices a religion (and more specifically anyone who practices a "nature" or animist religion). Hence, Christians, if they follow the Bible, must kill everyone who is not a Christian. What was that you were saying about Christianity not commanding it's followers to hate/kill everyone else? If you need more examples of text like this, please pick up your Bible. Leviticus alone can easily make my case."
I just wanted to clarify because i see this a lot, and although there are many things that can be argued about biblical scripture, this one is pretty easy to understand.
The law you refer to above is Jewish not Christian, Leviticus is the book of laws (the covenant (or testament))that jews must adhere to to remain "pure" so that they can be in the presence of God, if they were not able to avoid breaking any of them (and honestly, who could?) they were then required every year to offer animal sacrifice/s to wash away their sins and be "pure" once again (they would place their hand on the animal to signify the sacrifice was for them). This was mearly a placeholder for a "true" sacrifice for sin.
Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice which completed the agreement (the covenant (or testament)) so that anyone who says they believe that Jesus was sacrificed for them (like placing their hand on the animal), this would be accepted as fulfilling the old agreement (the covenant (or testament)).
Thus, Witches no longer need to be killed, adulterous wives no longer need to be stoned, you no longer have to tear down your house if you have mold, etc...
BUT
There IS a "new agreement" (aka testament) which was founded by Jesus which is summed up in 2 "commandments", love thy God above all else, and love thy neighbor as thyself (do what's in the best interests of your neighbor).
So you now only have 2 laws to follow, and an everlasting forgiveness if you break those laws.
Thus the reason for this:
(this is Jesus speaking->) Matthew 11:"28 Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
"EA now says that validation will now only occur when a user attempts to download new content for either game. (small print: new content will be released every 10-15 days, patches also considered "new" content)"
"If the DHS is set up to fail, they appear to have not had any failures in the last few years. May not be perfect, but maybe it is working?"
you haven't heard of the false positives who have been jailed and tortured for years on end with no formal review?
Hmm, interesting.
I would put it to you that there is no way that the DHS can succeed in this "war" any more than the other "wars" (drugs, poverty, etc) have worked in the past.
Hmm, you know i downloaded bioshock to try it out, fully planning on buying it if it was worth it (the thousands of dollars i've spent on games alone will bare that out) but it was an "ok" game, so i was waiting for it to hit bargain bins to fulfill my obligation.. but now i'm not so sure..
It's funny because for me the game just worked, i downloaded it, installed it, played it, etc.. but it seems people who bought it had a lot harder time than me... go figure.
"You aren't looking at the big picture. Imagine what calamity would have ensued if American Ninja had been elected to Student Council. Slaughter at Homecoming. Beheadings at Pep Rallies. Eviscerations at the Winter Ball."
I think you forget that the head of student council was a pirate. Problem solved.
For most of my career, I've worked for small, privately owned software companies (not in the US) that make original, useful products, which in turn have brought in enough to pay the staff a decent wage but little more than that. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=542162&cid=23300530
I work for one of the largest businesses in the world, with more layers of corporate management this, division that, and subsidiary the other than I can count even for the tiny part I work in. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=535964&cid=23214418
"Metallica songs I was sharing were fan-recorded bootlegs and thus (to my understanding) were not copies of copyrighted material (Please correct me if I'm wrong)."
You are not wrong, part of their early success was the fact that they actively encouraged bootlegging as a way of marketing, to help spread their music and gain more fans. To turn around and criminalize the same only showed once again how they had sold out (during the whole napster deal).
I also wanted to chime in about their discography, "and justice for all" was the last album i bought and even then i knew (in the back of my mind) it felt "weak", black just proved where they were going and how they had turned away from the music that had made them famous. sad.
"Even assuming that the details are untrue, you've still booked some seriously bad karma from the water-boarding and cattle-prodding of all of the people within range of your stolen connection."
You don't seem to know how karma works.. the worst i will get is my garden hose stolen, or maybe a hub cap.. the waterboarders are looking at reincarnation as dung beetles.. IF they work themselves up from plankton...
Since it is a "sales" tax, let the tax be paid by the seller, in the state they are in, then they can decide how to make up this revenue (most likely passing this along to consumers).
The main brewhaha stems from the long habit of stores passing on the sales tax as a buyer responsibility and us buyers just accepting that...
If the focus was put back on the "sales" part of sales tax, this would solve all of the confusion.
The only downside to a global economy is that people might not decide to buy from you depending on how much you now have to charge (because it is higher do to your state's tax rules) but instead buy from people who can sell it 8-15% cheaper because of no local state sales tax (e.g. oregon).
"Its a small file so finding free file hosts should be easy to help share and spread.. here are some links i found for a straight download of the file grabbed from the "official" torrent.
"Something that the summary missed but was reiterated twice in the actual article is that CCP is accused of seeding most of the torrents and then monitoring all IP addresses acquiring the source and then banning accounts associated with those IPs. So if you're going to get the code just to look at it, I suggest using your mom's house or an internet cafe!"
With a file size of 1.8MB why not just upload it to one of the 100's of free file hosting websites? One not located in the US? or grab the file from a "safe" location (or use the tor option in most torrent programs) and then reseed?
"Because, only the stupid would use the drugs, and hopefully remove themselves from the gene pool."
I hate to break it to you, but EVERY human is a drug user... see our brains are basically a chemical/electrical processing unit, everything you do is motivated and controlled by brain chemistry, even if you have never done a "drug" (even smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol or coffee) you still have these chemicals racing around, influencing your decisions and regulating your body.
When you are hungry it's because of a chemical that regulates energy, when you feel happy it is because of a chemical that induces these feelings, same with sex, exercise, basically everything, even fear.
To feel superior because you don't use an outside chemical to trick the brain into making yourself feel a different way is quite elitist, why is that any better than running on a treadmill for 30 minutes to get runner's high? Or wanting to have sex because it makes you feel good? Or eating ice cream?
All of these actions are ultimately motivated by the pleasure/high/"emotion" you have learned as a trained response to those actions. In fact without these pleasure inducing chemicals we would be in a constant state of pain all the time...
So we are all addicted to these chemicals.. we are all motivated by the need to placate the brain's desire for these chemicals.
"all human societies that have encountered what something like heroin does to those who take it have outlawed the behavior. "
Really? maybe you should visit Amsterdam? Maybe you should visit 3rd world countries where opium is grown for medical purposes (for which it has a wide range of uses).
"meanwhile, you seem to have worked out a wonderful argument about legalizing all drugs... in a vacuum."
no i haven't
" you haven't considered any of the social effects of these drugs. how the viral addictiveness spreads"
Are you seriously saying that addiction is contagious?
" how it destroys families, an ability to hold a job... the need to feed, house, and clothe zombies that would otherwise be productive parts of society"
I see you just don't know what you are talking about. It fairly common. Lots of people already use drugs and hold jobs, raise families, etc, etc.. where are these multitudes of homeless zombies walking the streets ravenous for drugs? Oh you mean on TV and in movies.
"but when you see how the behavior plays out in a human society, you see human society react in such a way that curtails the use of that specific drug."
you mean how everything WAS legal in the 1900's until prohibition swept the country?
"because the use of that drug hurts society in a way that your argument doesn't address"
you should tell the 5 million adults and kids using ritalin and adderall for ADD that they are "hurting society".
I began trying to address your arguments but i have come to the conclusion that you don't actually know what you are talking about, it's unfortunate but i'd rather live in a place that judged me for my actions rather than decided what i can be trusted to handle.
tell you what, i'll make a deal with you, if you get in a car accident, don't go to the hospital and if I overdose i won't do the same.. seems fair since cars kill more annually than all drugs combined.
If you were really concerned about "society" why don't you ban cars?
1. Motor vehicle crashes Deaths per year: 43,200
3. Poisoning by solids and liquids Deaths per year: 8,600
These would be all your commonly recognized poisons, as well as such items as mushrooms, shellfish, drug overdoses, and problems with medicines
I was trying to say possibly more than 10% (1/10th+), last i read 30 million adults in jail.. and we have about 300 million living in the US...sorry if I was confusing.
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the hardest part of "teaching" AI is finding a reason for it to learn, you offer to use a mechanism based on reward and punishment:
"Motivation Layer
The idea behind motivation is to use reward and punishment stimuli to motivate the network to behave a certain way, i.e., to play a good game of chess. The motivational system will involve both sensors and effectors. Whatever the final motivation principle turns out to be, it will be tied to expectation learning in short and long-term memory. Above all, it will be a simple mechanism based on the powerful Principle of Complementarity."
but couldn't find anything that describes this in a way that pertains to reward and punishment.. care to elaborate?
At the level of "teaching" you say you are trying to achieve (from the ground up) what possible reward can you hope to offer AI to make forging it's own neural network from scratch worthwhile considering there is none to begin with to interpret the possibility of a "reward"?
http://virusscan.jotti.org/ is great for scanning the cracked files, it even accepts zipped files (.rar).
for the most part though, the pirates do this to be the "best/fastest" on the "scene". To distribute a crack with a virus would destroy their reputation.
I have multiple computers and multiple steam accounts, only one steam account has the majority of my games.
I like to play counter-strike while my wife plays peggle, unfortunately they are on the same account.. so i have to log in on her system, exit steam, disable the nic, then start steam again (if you don't login the first time while it is online it sometimes complains) then she can play.
BUT there are times when i am playing CS and she goes to play peggle forgetting the dance we have to do and i get kciked off.. or she doesn't know how to get back onto the net when she goes to try the next day or such.
It is a big pain if you have one account and multiple games, likewise remembering 4 different usernames for 4 diff accounts.
sure.. i use EWUTFSFBB or EWUT_FS for short.
"Mr. disposable DVD inventor,you just won my Asshat of the month award!"
Asshat.. hmm i wonder how many of those end up in landfills? Not very practical i suppose.
"Can you prove that it works for you mathematically?
no but he can help to reduce your doubt... does that work for you?
"Except if they are more advanced then we are, so they could spy on us, and conclude from our behavior that there is third representation of God - Son, i.e. Christ."
That would make sense why God would then instruct us to differ our selves gender wise, so that the good sons who did not eat of the tree would know who was male and who was female when they were watching us.
the passages you quote don't exist correctly?
"In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars "
stars->our solar system
Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
how are Suns formed? is it possible to have the elements gathered for a sun and planet without the sun novae? (asking, don't know). it's definitely possible that the "heavens" existed before our solar system formed (esp since we are not the center of the universe)
"3) Whales are mammalians, a late addition to the animal worlds. Certainly came after the reptilians and insects. "
I don't see whales mentioned? I doubt any early man (around time of moses) would know what a "whale" is?
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22
"In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants"
Flowering plants are before animals/creatures, are you saying plants didn't exist before animals/creatures?
"more damning as said above angiosperm are a late addition only 130+ million year old roughly "
one species does not a damnation make, vegetation is different than narrowing it down to _flowers_
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds.
the only point i see is birds seem to be out of order.
"Nobody expects the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal."
Lemming of the BC.., lemming of the BC.., lemming of the BCHRT. hmm not as catchy.. damn
You said:
""Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" Exodus 22:18
A witch, based on most Christian teachings, is anyone who doesn't believe in Christ and practices a religion (and more specifically anyone who practices a "nature" or animist religion). Hence, Christians, if they follow the Bible, must kill everyone who is not a Christian. What was that you were saying about Christianity not commanding it's followers to hate/kill everyone else? If you need more examples of text like this, please pick up your Bible. Leviticus alone can easily make my case."
I just wanted to clarify because i see this a lot, and although there are many things that can be argued about biblical scripture, this one is pretty easy to understand.
The law you refer to above is Jewish not Christian, Leviticus is the book of laws (the covenant (or testament))that jews must adhere to to remain "pure" so that they can be in the presence of God, if they were not able to avoid breaking any of them (and honestly, who could?) they were then required every year to offer animal sacrifice/s to wash away their sins and be "pure" once again (they would place their hand on the animal to signify the sacrifice was for them). This was mearly a placeholder for a "true" sacrifice for sin.
Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice which completed the agreement (the covenant (or testament)) so that anyone who says they believe that Jesus was sacrificed for them (like placing their hand on the animal), this would be accepted as fulfilling the old agreement (the covenant (or testament)).
Thus, Witches no longer need to be killed, adulterous wives no longer need to be stoned, you no longer have to tear down your house if you have mold, etc...
BUT
There IS a "new agreement" (aka testament) which was founded by Jesus which is summed up in 2 "commandments", love thy God above all else, and love thy neighbor as thyself (do what's in the best interests of your neighbor).
So you now only have 2 laws to follow, and an everlasting forgiveness if you break those laws.
Thus the reason for this:
(this is Jesus speaking->) Matthew 11:"28 Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
"Just doesn't sound like EA...."
:)
Let me explain:
"EA now says that validation will now only occur when a user attempts to download new content for either game. (small print: new content will be released every 10-15 days, patches also considered "new" content)"
Make sense now?
"If the DHS is set up to fail, they appear to have not had any failures in the last few years. May not be perfect, but maybe it is working?"
you haven't heard of the false positives who have been jailed and tortured for years on end with no formal review?
Hmm, interesting.
I would put it to you that there is no way that the DHS can succeed in this "war" any more than the other "wars" (drugs, poverty, etc) have worked in the past.
"Stick our heads in the sand.."
Unfortunately this is what you are doing already.
Hmm, you know i downloaded bioshock to try it out, fully planning on buying it if it was worth it (the thousands of dollars i've spent on games alone will bare that out) but it was an "ok" game, so i was waiting for it to hit bargain bins to fulfill my obligation.. but now i'm not so sure..
It's funny because for me the game just worked, i downloaded it, installed it, played it, etc.. but it seems people who bought it had a lot harder time than me... go figure.
"You aren't looking at the big picture. Imagine what calamity would have ensued if American Ninja had been elected to Student Council. Slaughter at Homecoming. Beheadings at Pep Rallies. Eviscerations at the Winter Ball."
I think you forget that the head of student council was a pirate. Problem solved.
For most of my career, I've worked for small, privately owned software companies (not in the US) that make original, useful products, which in turn have brought in enough to pay the staff a decent wage but little more than that. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=542162&cid=23300530
I work for one of the largest businesses in the world, with more layers of corporate management this, division that, and subsidiary the other than I can count even for the tiny part I work in. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=535964&cid=23214418
"Metallica songs I was sharing were fan-recorded bootlegs and thus (to my understanding) were not copies of copyrighted material (Please correct me if I'm wrong)."
You are not wrong, part of their early success was the fact that they actively encouraged bootlegging as a way of marketing, to help spread their music and gain more fans. To turn around and criminalize the same only showed once again how they had sold out (during the whole napster deal).
I also wanted to chime in about their discography, "and justice for all" was the last album i bought and even then i knew (in the back of my mind) it felt "weak", black just proved where they were going and how they had turned away from the music that had made them famous. sad.
"Even assuming that the details are untrue, you've still booked some seriously bad karma from the water-boarding and cattle-prodding of all of the people within range of your stolen connection."
You don't seem to know how karma works.. the worst i will get is my garden hose stolen, or maybe a hub cap.. the waterboarders are looking at reincarnation as dung beetles.. IF they work themselves up from plankton...
"Cease worrying about the black helicopters and start to worry about the police trucks coming up the drive.
Been nice knowing you."
It's ok, i browse through unsecured wifi, using tor routing on a spoofed MAC. no biggie.
My neighbor across the street and 5 houses down.. not so much...
Since it is a "sales" tax, let the tax be paid by the seller, in the state they are in, then they can decide how to make up this revenue (most likely passing this along to consumers).
The main brewhaha stems from the long habit of stores passing on the sales tax as a buyer responsibility and us buyers just accepting that...
If the focus was put back on the "sales" part of sales tax, this would solve all of the confusion.
The only downside to a global economy is that people might not decide to buy from you depending on how much you now have to charge (because it is higher do to your state's tax rules) but instead buy from people who can sell it 8-15% cheaper because of no local state sales tax (e.g. oregon).
"Its a small file so finding free file hosts should be easy to help share and spread.. here are some links i found for a straight download of the file grabbed from the "official" torrent.
...
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http://www.2shared.com/file/3146356/97e5e02a/eve_o
http://www.turboupload.com/download/3qP48JT3Fc00/e
http://www.filecrunch.com/fileDownload.php?sub=16a
http://www.uploading.com/files/7MNSZ4LP/eve_online
http://www.mediafire.com/?dxm5vgueblz
http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=283
http://uploadfile.org/download.php?id=mjHcNGSPvpyz
http://rapidshare.de/files/39123039/eve_online_cod
http://www.filefactory.com/file/75484f
http://w15.easy-share.com/1700142789.html
http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=vzgjlpbgjsc"
Have you verified that these are the actual files? if so , thanks?
"Something that the summary missed but was reiterated twice in the actual article is that CCP is accused of seeding most of the torrents and then monitoring all IP addresses acquiring the source and then banning accounts associated with those IPs. So if you're going to get the code just to look at it, I suggest using your mom's house or an internet cafe!"
With a file size of 1.8MB why not just upload it to one of the 100's of free file hosting websites? One not located in the US? or grab the file from a "safe" location (or use the tor option in most torrent programs) and then reseed?
"I dunno, large amounts of incendiaries dropped from the sky seem to work on both, but using it on neither is politically popular."
I thought dropping bombs helped to INCITE people to commit terrorists acts.. not cease them...?
"Because, only the stupid would use the drugs, and hopefully remove themselves from the gene pool."
I hate to break it to you, but EVERY human is a drug user... see our brains are basically a chemical/electrical processing unit, everything you do is motivated and controlled by brain chemistry, even if you have never done a "drug" (even smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol or coffee) you still have these chemicals racing around, influencing your decisions and regulating your body.
When you are hungry it's because of a chemical that regulates energy, when you feel happy it is because of a chemical that induces these feelings, same with sex, exercise, basically everything, even fear.
To feel superior because you don't use an outside chemical to trick the brain into making yourself feel a different way is quite elitist, why is that any better than running on a treadmill for 30 minutes to get runner's high? Or wanting to have sex because it makes you feel good? Or eating ice cream?
All of these actions are ultimately motivated by the pleasure/high/"emotion" you have learned as a trained response to those actions. In fact without these pleasure inducing chemicals we would be in a constant state of pain all the time...
So we are all addicted to these chemicals.. we are all motivated by the need to placate the brain's desire for these chemicals.
"all human societies that have encountered what something like heroin does to those who take it have outlawed the behavior. "
Really? maybe you should visit Amsterdam? Maybe you should visit 3rd world countries where opium is grown for medical purposes (for which it has a wide range of uses).
"meanwhile, you seem to have worked out a wonderful argument about legalizing all drugs... in a vacuum."
no i haven't
" you haven't considered any of the social effects of these drugs. how the viral addictiveness spreads"
Are you seriously saying that addiction is contagious?
" how it destroys families, an ability to hold a job... the need to feed, house, and clothe zombies that would otherwise be productive parts of society"
I see you just don't know what you are talking about. It fairly common. Lots of people already use drugs and hold jobs, raise families, etc, etc.. where are these multitudes of homeless zombies walking the streets ravenous for drugs? Oh you mean on TV and in movies.
"but when you see how the behavior plays out in a human society, you see human society react in such a way that curtails the use of that specific drug."
you mean how everything WAS legal in the 1900's until prohibition swept the country?
"because the use of that drug hurts society in a way that your argument doesn't address"
you should tell the 5 million adults and kids using ritalin and adderall for ADD that they are "hurting society".
I began trying to address your arguments but i have come to the conclusion that you don't actually know what you are talking about, it's unfortunate but i'd rather live in a place that judged me for my actions rather than decided what i can be trusted to handle.
tell you what, i'll make a deal with you, if you get in a car accident, don't go to the hospital and if I overdose i won't do the same.. seems fair since cars kill more annually than all drugs combined.
If you were really concerned about "society" why don't you ban cars?
1. Motor vehicle crashes
Deaths per year: 43,200
3. Poisoning by solids and liquids
Deaths per year: 8,600
These would be all your commonly recognized poisons, as well as such items as mushrooms, shellfish, drug overdoses, and problems with medicines
"Are you kidding? It's not 1/10th of a percent."
.. and we have about 300 million living in the US...sorry if I was confusing.
I didn't say 1/10th of a percent?
I was trying to say possibly more than 10% (1/10th+), last i read 30 million adults in jail