You should understand that I was just trying to correct anyone from thinking that since Sun has adopted and marketed the Opterons that there was no reason to exclude Solairs for other x86 platforms.
"although the biggest need for low power CPUs is for laptops"
Athough this is indeed a good need for low-power CPUs, they are still only used a fraction of the time and basically only save battery power. However, I believe that lower powered servers, which operate 24/7, would benefit everyone and the environment more even though they are arguably fewer in number.
For example, Sun is marketing some great low-power [watt] servers with outstanding performance. This is where I see the greatest benefit of reduced CPU energy consumption. Not only does CPU cooling requirements reduce, so does cooling, and the multitude of other problems associated from running large & hot compute clusters.
Clever design! The new logo should appeal to long-time FreeBSD fans yet be more broadly accepted by the social police that guard the confines of "politically correct" - especially in commercial settings.
You apparently don't understand the concept of grid computing and the expected customer base. Render farms are not, nor have they ever been, the anticpated customers for this service.
Rather, large business needing to run monthly or quarterly Monte Carlo simulations, where you need massive power but only intermittenly, are the targeted customer type. In this case, is would be much cheaper and easier to use Sun's service than try to accomplish the same goals in-house.
Although ZFS is not immediately available, it should be before long. Though this does not address your hardware concerns, choosing hardware compatible with either Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris would be beneficial, in my opinion.
Not just that, but some suggest Sun's new servers are also designed to be used by Google, which if I recall correctly, has over 100,000 estimated servers.
Sun is also on the right track to target Developers with their very affordable Ultra 20 in addition to their higher performing, and more costly, workstations.
What really is important is the performance, power consumption, and price at which you can accomplish your computing goals. The Operton's have a great balance of all three factors and Sun is packaging, yes PACKAGING, some great hardware at a great price and very low power consumption in their x86 line. Who really cares if Sun has the chip designed/made from scratch when at the end of the day all you really should care about is results and not who made your machine so you can brag about it.
If you really think you need Sparc, you could likely double your power by using Sun's high-quality x86 products in place, such as their amazing quad dual-core Opteron V40z servers.
For the record, I have a Sun W2100z x86 Opteron system but could care less about having Sparc as the current equipment is more than capable and provides excellent performance at a fraction of the cost of Sparc for my use. Sparc certainly is a great product and I welcome it and wished it were the standard instead of x86, but until that is ever realized, I'm simply results oriented.
The apparent x86 motto: "Do more with less" [you define 'less'] The apparent Sparc motto: "Work smarter, not harder" [and anyone/thing smart always costs more]
I'm not certain, but was was just leaving the door open and being optimistic. However, I would honestly suspect the need for this project to subside once more progress is made on the Mozilla Lightning project and the Exchange plug-in is integrated. As you've eluded to, 5 devs is not a lot and the Mozilla projects generally attract much more attention.
"Mike", the builder of the test rig in that article, would have been much better off buying a water-cooled PowerMac G5 for all the extra expense he's incurred and I'm sure he's still far from silent!
Thanks for clearing that up. After I made that post I was wondering about just how "smart" most RAID controllers are and if those operations would be in parallel.
Knowing that you can put up to 32 SCSI drives on a single channel I would wonder about just how parallel most controllers can be. Granted most don't use that many drives and generally four or more drives is enough reason for a two-channel RAID controller for best performance.
,Picking nits I suppose when we are trying to cut one more revolution of a 10,000 rpm or even 15,000 rpm drive!
Might I suggest you try Sun's Solaris 10. The security is very good and rivals OpenBSD, Java is very well integrated (even preinstalled), and overall just a great OS.
For your information, dude, the device is not even 4 weeks old and is in like new condition. Granted this is the first SanDisk product I've had fail and certainly not the only product I've purchased from them. However, the timing is ironic....
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Time for a domain name change to, perhaps, MadBeastie.com
I've never heard of that, but I stand corrected.
You should understand that I was just trying to correct anyone from thinking that since Sun has adopted and marketed the Opterons that there was no reason to exclude Solairs for other x86 platforms.
Solaris 10 does not have an Operton port. Solaris 10 is available for Sparc and x86. Period. x86 just also happens to include Opterons.
"although the biggest need for low power CPUs is for laptops"
Athough this is indeed a good need for low-power CPUs, they are still only used a fraction of the time and basically only save battery power. However, I believe that lower powered servers, which operate 24/7, would benefit everyone and the environment more even though they are arguably fewer in number.
For example, Sun is marketing some great low-power [watt] servers with outstanding performance. This is where I see the greatest benefit of reduced CPU energy consumption. Not only does CPU cooling requirements reduce, so does cooling, and the multitude of other problems associated from running large & hot compute clusters.
Granted this is a rough approximation, but it seems that GPUs are destined to waste all the power [watts] modern CPUs are saving.
Clever design! The new logo should appeal to long-time FreeBSD fans yet be more broadly accepted by the social police that guard the confines of "politically correct" - especially in commercial settings.
You apparently don't understand the concept of grid computing and the expected customer base. Render farms are not, nor have they ever been, the anticpated customers for this service.
Rather, large business needing to run monthly or quarterly Monte Carlo simulations, where you need massive power but only intermittenly, are the targeted customer type. In this case, is would be much cheaper and easier to use Sun's service than try to accomplish the same goals in-house.
Although ZFS is not immediately available, it should be before long. Though this does not address your hardware concerns, choosing hardware compatible with either Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris would be beneficial, in my opinion.
A good ZFS introduction.
AMD is apparently content with having Sun do it for them.
Or NetBeans 5.0? The new NetBeans is much improved and, I believe, has now, ermmm....eclipsed Eclipse.
Not just that, but some suggest Sun's new servers are also designed to be used by Google, which if I recall correctly, has over 100,000 estimated servers.
Sun is also on the right track to target Developers with their very affordable Ultra 20 in addition to their higher performing, and more costly, workstations.
Who cares about some "PC technology curve"?
What really is important is the performance, power consumption, and price at which you can accomplish your computing goals. The Operton's have a great balance of all three factors and Sun is packaging, yes PACKAGING, some great hardware at a great price and very low power consumption in their x86 line. Who really cares if Sun has the chip designed/made from scratch when at the end of the day all you really should care about is results and not who made your machine so you can brag about it.
If you really think you need Sparc, you could likely double your power by using Sun's high-quality x86 products in place, such as their amazing quad dual-core Opteron V40z servers.
For the record, I have a Sun W2100z x86 Opteron system but could care less about having Sparc as the current equipment is more than capable and provides excellent performance at a fraction of the cost of Sparc for my use. Sparc certainly is a great product and I welcome it and wished it were the standard instead of x86, but until that is ever realized, I'm simply results oriented.
The apparent x86 motto: "Do more with less" [you define 'less']
The apparent Sparc motto: "Work smarter, not harder" [and anyone/thing smart always costs more]
Zero impact on Firefox 1.5 Beta 2
I'm not certain, but was was just leaving the door open and being optimistic. However, I would honestly suspect the need for this project to subside once more progress is made on the Mozilla Lightning project and the Exchange plug-in is integrated. As you've eluded to, 5 devs is not a lot and the Mozilla projects generally attract much more attention.
"Even better (for me) would be to see Sunbird / Thunderbird merged"
You Mean Like This ?
I did put "Eventually" in italics, but perhaps should have used bold?
Anyway, the SourceForge project page lists five active developers, so I wouldn't quite call it "dead" just yet.
Eventually this may help, Evolution for Windows .
"Mike", the builder of the test rig in that article, would have been much better off buying a water-cooled PowerMac G5 for all the extra expense he's incurred and I'm sure he's still far from silent!
Thanks for clearing that up. After I made that post I was wondering about just how "smart" most RAID controllers are and if those operations would be in parallel.
Knowing that you can put up to 32 SCSI drives on a single channel I would wonder about just how parallel most controllers can be. Granted most don't use that many drives and generally four or more drives is enough reason for a two-channel RAID controller for best performance.
,Picking nits I suppose when we are trying to cut one more revolution of a 10,000 rpm or even 15,000 rpm drive!
Or just use Solaris 10 now and have OpenBSD level of security and wide Linux application availability.
Might I suggest you try Sun's Solaris 10. The security is very good and rivals OpenBSD, Java is very well integrated (even preinstalled), and overall just a great OS.
For your information, dude, the device is not even 4 weeks old and is in like new condition. Granted this is the first SanDisk product I've had fail and certainly not the only product I've purchased from them. However, the timing is ironic....
I just deposited my 1Gb Sandisk Cruzer Mini in the mail yesterday for replacement since I can no longer write to, or even format, the device.
Apparently that's not a bug or flaw, it's a feature!
"... Better for pr0n :)"
Until you try to combine messages!
That's a part of Thunderbird already