Thing is, antidepressants are not supposed to be administered without psychotherapy.
I'm not sure how you'd prove a patient was misdiagnosed with depression, and I find your assertion that people go see a psychologist/psychiatrist for a high laughable, there are MUCH better drugs to get high on than shitty antidepressants.
I hope that you don't work in the field, because you are a menace and a font of misinformation.
Lets say there is a fire, the radioactive, dead plants burn, some of the radiation is diluted from the area, over time wouldn't that process cause plant and microbial life to eventually replenish itself in the area ?
Seems to me the natural process of living systems is to do exactly this, get the things that hamper living systems dilute enough to re-establish living systems...
Reading the article referenced : "Neuroanatomical Correlates of Religiosity and Spirituality
A Study in Adults at High and Low Familial Risk for Depression" I am struck by this in particular :
"Results : Importance of religion or spirituality, but not frequency of attendance, was associated with thicker cortices in the left and right parietal and occipital regions, the mesial frontal lobe of the right hemisphere, and the cuneus and precuneus in the left hemisphere, independent of familial risk. In addition, the effects of importance on cortical thickness were significantly stronger in the high-risk than in the low-risk group, particularly along the mesial wall of the left hemisphere, in the same region where we previously reported a significant thinner cortex associated with a familial risk of developing depressive illness. We note that these findings are correlational and therefore do not prove a causal association between importance and cortical thickness.
Conclusions and Relevance : A thicker cortex associated with a high importance of religion or spirituality may confer resilience to the development of depressive illness in individuals at high familial risk for major depression, possibly by expanding a cortical reserve that counters to some extent the vulnerability that cortical thinning poses for developing familial depressive illness.
This is fascinating stuff ! Much more interesting than the emotive and desperate sounding attempts to proselytize for the eradication of irrational religious belief a particular character type here expresses at every opportunity.
Religious belief has arguably existed in some form or another as far back as humans have. It has a function beyond the negative things that some angry (and often unintentionally ironic) humans often attributed to it. That is an amazing fact. The why and how and interrelational aspects of it are far more logically enticing than the typically boring and nihilistic exhortations some people feel compelled to crap-up forums with.
If I wanted to hear/read THAT kind of junk I'd go to some place where fundamentalists opine, like religious extremist forum, or perhaps a church...
a purely "scientific" pursuit, entirely separate from culture, religion, politics, natural inquisitiveness, and simple greed.
That way we can gloss-over the entire history and current state of scientific development and discovery, including the nasty little things about "science" and the way people perceive it, thus making it indistinguishable from religion.
Except that the placebo effect is well established science. If people need a treatment that is as effective as many pharmaceuticals on the market today, I'm not going to begrudge them access to them.
But I am going to question what agenda is at work when drug companies are given a pass for often doing the same thing...
This is not a new drug, though, you're just buying into drug company PR.
You can get the same exact drug for a whole lot less, in doses that are significantly safer, that are not in the newly patented time-release form, which is simple to abuse and OD on, by just grinding up the very high dose capsules.
So no, this is not about a new necessary ER drug AT ALL. This is not about refusing people who need pain meds treatment. This is about PR and profit over lives, period.
Everybody here needs to look at the list of those 40+ organizations and stop being such fucking tools for big pharma. These are not organizations for the most part with an agenda to keep people in pain or facilitate a war on drugs. These are patient-oriented organizations doing their job -advocating for people who need safe meds.
Hydrocodone in this form is going to kill a lot of people, that's the issue here. When your per dose amount is high enough that it can easily kill by simply grinding up the capsule, that's a real problem.
At least adding acetaminophen to hydrocodone has some marginal positive impact, while rendering the hydrocodone relatively unusable. This form is going to just ratchet-up tolerance in people with severe addictions even higher.
What people don't seem to understand is that the lethal dose of a drug changes as your tolerance increases and an addict requires more and more of the drug. Simply making available a pure form of the drug so that they can ratchet that amount up high and higher so easily is going to kill a lot of people. How high do you want addicts to increase their consumption ? To twice the lethal dose it takes to kill someone that isn't taking the drug ? To ten times ? To twenty times ?
People seem to believe that the drugs themselves in their pure form are safe. This is not true and has never been true. It's insane to make it easy to supply people with enormous doses of relatively pure drugs so that they can continuously increase their dose to the point that they need to take a single dose that would kill ten drug naive people, and then pretend that living your life taking those doses isn't going to shorten your life significantly anyway.
The only people that want this are the drug companies that make a huge profit because they've managed to get a patent for doing basically nothing, and addicts. And stupid people that place some bullshit ideal above a comprehension of the reality.
It is NOT a "new" drug, it is NOT "indicated for use as an as-needed analgesic." It's just time-released hydrocodone bitartrate.
The over 40 organizations requesting it's FDA approval being reconsidered are NOT organizations that are pro "war on drugs", these are patient-oriented advocacy groups for the most part.
A time-release version of hydrocodone bitartrate IS extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. It's ridiculously easy to abuse, to OD on, and is a very real hazard to the public.
People posting hare seem to think this is some revolutionary new drug - it simply is NOT. There is nothing "new" about this drug at all, except that it's hydrocodone bitartrate stuck into microspheres so that it's gradually released over 12 hours. That's it. That's all. So the entire dialogue here about the war on drugs and people not caring about pain management and all that garbage is entirely misplaced and irrelevant.
This is a well known schedule II drug in a new delivery form that required very little money to develop, and the bulk of funds spent to get it approved are PR related. Patient advocacy groups are pushing-back at this kind of parasitic behaviour by drug companies because it always results in more deaths and more ER visits.
I'm more than a bit shocked and dissapointed at the highly rated comments here, clearly slashdot is NOT the place where you're going to find well informed or even competent people talking about the insane antics of the drug companies, much less the organizations that oversee the FDA's abysmal failures and infiltration by people who's primary interest are profits, and NOT the patient...
But he's a secret scientist, paid by public taxes. Hey, our politicians find excuses to avoid transparency, why shouldn't "science" do it too ?
People have no idea how much fraud goes on in the scientific community, it's nothing new, some people are ready to DO something about it now though, before they receive too much scrutiny. Which would be *really* bad for "science" as it stands now, because people int he US think of scientists the same way they think about medical people.
Cut personnel, which you don't need right now if you don't plan to wage any constant wars for no real reason, other than create work for contractors, like we've been doing for over a decade, and continue to funnel money to contractors for neato projects inside the nation.
Like spying on the citizens and making sure there are enough detention camps and massive surveillance operations and restrictions of movement of the public so that if we try to exerciser any constitutional rights, we'll be constantly monitored by those x-military people that return and join federal and civilian law enforcement.
The entire system would be too internally efficient, and compensation would be too immediate, and would have to naturally be more evenly dispersed from somewhere, from the top-down...
Look here, something dull and annoying to distract you from thinking about how you're not being compensated fairly. IT ALL RUNS LIKE THAT.
Stack-ranking is *perfect* for a corporate situation where short-term results that make upper level managers look good enough before they move up the ladder and cash-out is desirable to said management.
Of course, this is done at the expense of everyone else, but hey, THAT'S AMERICA.
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Thing is, antidepressants are not supposed to be administered without psychotherapy.
I'm not sure how you'd prove a patient was misdiagnosed with depression, and I find your assertion that people go see a psychologist/psychiatrist for a high laughable, there are MUCH better drugs to get high on than shitty antidepressants.
I hope that you don't work in the field, because you are a menace and a font of misinformation.
Lets say there is a fire, the radioactive, dead plants burn, some of the radiation is diluted from the area, over time wouldn't that process cause plant and microbial life to eventually replenish itself in the area ?
Seems to me the natural process of living systems is to do exactly this, get the things that hamper living systems dilute enough to re-establish living systems...
religion aside...
Reading the article referenced : "Neuroanatomical Correlates of Religiosity and Spirituality A Study in Adults at High and Low Familial Risk for Depression" I am struck by this in particular :
"Results : Importance of religion or spirituality, but not frequency of attendance, was associated with thicker cortices in the left and right parietal and occipital regions, the mesial frontal lobe of the right hemisphere, and the cuneus and precuneus in the left hemisphere, independent of familial risk. In addition, the effects of importance on cortical thickness were significantly stronger in the high-risk than in the low-risk group, particularly along the mesial wall of the left hemisphere, in the same region where we previously reported a significant thinner cortex associated with a familial risk of developing depressive illness. We note that these findings are correlational and therefore do not prove a causal association between importance and cortical thickness.
Conclusions and Relevance : A thicker cortex associated with a high importance of religion or spirituality may confer resilience to the development of depressive illness in individuals at high familial risk for major depression, possibly by expanding a cortical reserve that counters to some extent the vulnerability that cortical thinning poses for developing familial depressive illness.
This is fascinating stuff ! Much more interesting than the emotive and desperate sounding attempts to proselytize for the eradication of irrational religious belief a particular character type here expresses at every opportunity.
Religious belief has arguably existed in some form or another as far back as humans have. It has a function beyond the negative things that some angry (and often unintentionally ironic) humans often attributed to it. That is an amazing fact. The why and how and interrelational aspects of it are far more logically enticing than the typically boring and nihilistic exhortations some people feel compelled to crap-up forums with.
If I wanted to hear/read THAT kind of junk I'd go to some place where fundamentalists opine, like religious extremist forum, or perhaps a church...
a purely "scientific" pursuit, entirely separate from culture, religion, politics, natural inquisitiveness, and simple greed.
That way we can gloss-over the entire history and current state of scientific development and discovery, including the nasty little things about "science" and the way people perceive it, thus making it indistinguishable from religion.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Yeah, because "scientists" are infallible and deserve a degree of authority and influence that exceeds the right of the public to question.
Excuse me, but your bullshit ideal of "science" sounds a little to much like the fucking Inquisition.
What's disingenuous is ignoring your own arguments logical fallacies, and presenting it just like a fucking religion.
Thanks, but no thanks, you both suck.
It doesn't have 200 trillion in (mostly hidden) debt ?
Why not just run the robots on the ambient radiation ?
But hey, the plants weren't designed to be able to disassemble them ? Really ?
Except that the placebo effect is well established science. If people need a treatment that is as effective as many pharmaceuticals on the market today, I'm not going to begrudge them access to them.
But I am going to question what agenda is at work when drug companies are given a pass for often doing the same thing...
Yeah, there goes the cred of this article right there...
This is not a new drug, though, you're just buying into drug company PR.
You can get the same exact drug for a whole lot less, in doses that are significantly safer, that are not in the newly patented time-release form, which is simple to abuse and OD on, by just grinding up the very high dose capsules.
So no, this is not about a new necessary ER drug AT ALL. This is not about refusing people who need pain meds treatment. This is about PR and profit over lives, period.
Everybody here needs to look at the list of those 40+ organizations and stop being such fucking tools for big pharma. These are not organizations for the most part with an agenda to keep people in pain or facilitate a war on drugs. These are patient-oriented organizations doing their job -advocating for people who need safe meds.
Hydrocodone in this form is going to kill a lot of people, that's the issue here. When your per dose amount is high enough that it can easily kill by simply grinding up the capsule, that's a real problem.
At least adding acetaminophen to hydrocodone has some marginal positive impact, while rendering the hydrocodone relatively unusable. This form is going to just ratchet-up tolerance in people with severe addictions even higher.
What people don't seem to understand is that the lethal dose of a drug changes as your tolerance increases and an addict requires more and more of the drug. Simply making available a pure form of the drug so that they can ratchet that amount up high and higher so easily is going to kill a lot of people. How high do you want addicts to increase their consumption ? To twice the lethal dose it takes to kill someone that isn't taking the drug ? To ten times ? To twenty times ?
People seem to believe that the drugs themselves in their pure form are safe. This is not true and has never been true. It's insane to make it easy to supply people with enormous doses of relatively pure drugs so that they can continuously increase their dose to the point that they need to take a single dose that would kill ten drug naive people, and then pretend that living your life taking those doses isn't going to shorten your life significantly anyway.
The only people that want this are the drug companies that make a huge profit because they've managed to get a patent for doing basically nothing, and addicts. And stupid people that place some bullshit ideal above a comprehension of the reality.
It is NOT a "new" drug, it is NOT "indicated for use as an as-needed analgesic." It's just time-released hydrocodone bitartrate.
The over 40 organizations requesting it's FDA approval being reconsidered are NOT organizations that are pro "war on drugs", these are patient-oriented advocacy groups for the most part.
A time-release version of hydrocodone bitartrate IS extremely dangerous in the wrong hands. It's ridiculously easy to abuse, to OD on, and is a very real hazard to the public.
People posting hare seem to think this is some revolutionary new drug - it simply is NOT. There is nothing "new" about this drug at all, except that it's hydrocodone bitartrate stuck into microspheres so that it's gradually released over 12 hours. That's it. That's all. So the entire dialogue here about the war on drugs and people not caring about pain management and all that garbage is entirely misplaced and irrelevant.
This is a well known schedule II drug in a new delivery form that required very little money to develop, and the bulk of funds spent to get it approved are PR related. Patient advocacy groups are pushing-back at this kind of parasitic behaviour by drug companies because it always results in more deaths and more ER visits.
I'm more than a bit shocked and dissapointed at the highly rated comments here, clearly slashdot is NOT the place where you're going to find well informed or even competent people talking about the insane antics of the drug companies, much less the organizations that oversee the FDA's abysmal failures and infiltration by people who's primary interest are profits, and NOT the patient...
A lack of amazement at Nature is a tragedy of epic proportions.
ALL tech comes from studying Nature. Take more and more people farther and farther away from it, and watch the inevitable decline...
Nanotech is going to change all that.
Nanotech is going to change *everything*.
I'm not convinced Moore's Law applies anymore, or ever really did.
It's like a 5th grader is posting these articles...
But he's a secret scientist, paid by public taxes. Hey, our politicians find excuses to avoid transparency, why shouldn't "science" do it too ?
People have no idea how much fraud goes on in the scientific community, it's nothing new, some people are ready to DO something about it now though, before they receive too much scrutiny. Which would be *really* bad for "science" as it stands now, because people int he US think of scientists the same way they think about medical people.
They put them on a mostly undeserved pedestal.
Cut personnel, which you don't need right now if you don't plan to wage any constant wars for no real reason, other than create work for contractors, like we've been doing for over a decade, and continue to funnel money to contractors for neato projects inside the nation.
Like spying on the citizens and making sure there are enough detention camps and massive surveillance operations and restrictions of movement of the public so that if we try to exerciser any constitutional rights, we'll be constantly monitored by those x-military people that return and join federal and civilian law enforcement.
Imagine if there were a hetrosexual bacteria, and scientists developed and antibiotic for it !
Fuck you.
Yup. We sure do. No reason not to.
Nope, none at all...
Seriously, the faith people have in the journals is simply idiotic.
"Science" and "scientists" have always, and will always be for sale. I have more respect for an honest whore than I do most corporate "scientists".
The entire system would be too internally efficient, and compensation would be too immediate, and would have to naturally be more evenly dispersed from somewhere, from the top-down...
Look here, something dull and annoying to distract you from thinking about how you're not being compensated fairly. IT ALL RUNS LIKE THAT.
When BOTH are true ?
Stack-ranking is *perfect* for a corporate situation where short-term results that make upper level managers look good enough before they move up the ladder and cash-out is desirable to said management.
Of course, this is done at the expense of everyone else, but hey, THAT'S AMERICA.
He's not wrong. And neither are you !
Like gay people being constantly hounded, hunted, and attacked by vigilante groups ?