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"Are you suggesting that Microsoft will turn down your money for a support call on a Windows XP BSOD because you have installed Firefox? I doubt it."
The EULA you agreed to says they can. In practice this means they will still take your money, blame the other software and close the case. Either that or like you said they will ask you to install a new server with only MS software on it, load all your data to it and then try to replicate the problem. After a week of blowing your sysadmin's time you won't be able to replicate the problem, they will take your money and close the case.
Yes, I have been there, done that. They once asked us to ship our entire database to them. The CIO flipped. Imagine sending all your customers, vendors, transactions and all kinds of sensitive data to MS!. Trust me they know how to get you to close those pesky tickets.
Are you saying that MSDE is a "high end database"? LOL, a database with a four gig limit, can only use one processor and can't use more then a gig of RAM. I guess that what passes for "high end database" with you huh?
I was reading about the replication capabilities of ingres. It seems to extremely advanced, and certainly more advanced then anything firebird, mysql or postgres has. I don't know if the licences allow it but it sure would be nice to have that kind of replication facilities in postgres.
Oracle costs the same as SQL server. For every product level in SQL server there is a corresponding one in Oracle with the same or greater feature set that costs the same or less. Yes there are oracle products that cost more then SQL server ones but they do things SQL server can't.
What's worse is that you have upload your assemblies into SQL server for that to work. How much you want to bet they don't replicate? Can you even imagine what will happen if you break the current assemblies?
Sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.
I should say though that this is great for MS. They charge per CPU for the database, the more they can chew up your CPU with non database related code the more likely you will add CPUs and pay the additional licenses.
I would prefer to have my business logic in a middle tier where I am not paying per CPU and leave the database alone to enforce integrity.
No SQL server DBA I know uses the built in replication of SQL server. Unless they have revemped it completely and it actually works in real live environments you are probably better off log shipping.
Not to mention the cost of repairs, I had my powerbook die on me in AU and they wanted 800AU to fix it. I waited till I got to the US where it only cost a couple of hundred dollars to get the mainboard replaced.
"The other benefits I get is that the OS is very solid, I get all the unix tools I need, and it 'just works'."
It only "just works" when you use hardware that is compatible. When I got my mac I had many devices hooked up my windows machine that didn't "just work" because the Mac did not support them. For example my hp-3100 printer won't work at all, not even a little bit. I had to go and buy another printer to hook up to the Mac. Of course the reason for that is that it's a windows only printer and CUPS has no support for it.
Macs (just like linux) "just work" when you stick with supported hardware.
You have to get it out of your mind that coding is the only way to contribute to open source. Also please try to understand the the freedom to upgrade when you want, the freedom to choose vendors, the freedom to try things to see if you like them without it costing you an arm and a leg and the freedom to download and install a product without getting budgetary approvals, giving your credit card number to somebody and waiting for delivery is very important. More important then coding.
"While I cannot deny that it's a profitable business, it's not profitable enough to make most people engaged in it very wealthy."
Is there something wrong with that? Isn't it enough simply to be wealthy or somewhat wealthy or even GASP upper middle class wealthy?
It seems to me the support models is a little more egalitarian. Iw ill enable many many people to be well off rather then having just a few people to be very wealthy. In fact it will probably enable just about anybody who wants to make a decent living supporting a few companies for life.
The anthrax attack was aimed at liberals so I would not expect this govt to pursue that vigorously.
By the way there were also terrorists attacks against sikhs and muslims too. Minor ones but terrorist attacks nevertheless. Also there were the church burnings, those were definately designed to instill terror.
"Whiners. Go have fun in your little EU. Don't like america? Don't live there, quit your bitching."
And I should also add don't eat at mcdonalds, don't drink budwiser, don't listen to americna music, don't watch american tv.
Buying and using american products make you look like fools and takes away any credibility you may have when critizing america. You can not simultaniously support a country and denounce it. It's stupid and useless.
Put your money where your mouth is. Stop buying american products and services.
Right just like most people use word, most people use windows etc.
Of course most people use something other then openoffice. The idea is to reduce reduce those numbers so that eventually most people use open office and linux.
You I thought of something else. The US doesn't have to spend even a penny counting the number of people it kills. All it has to do is to allow the reporters to report what they see. A free press would be happy to count the dead for them and even take pictures of some of them.
Too bad free press only seems to exist in the arab world anymore. If it wasn't for the arab press we wouldn't even know that there was a war going on.
"I think that if you look a little bit closer at our economy, you might just see that we aren't currently spending at the ratio you quote."
Go look at the US budget. You will see that discretionary spending dwarfs military spending. This is amazing considering that the invasion and occupation of iraq is costing 100 billion a year so far.
Staggering really. Go check it out, it will open your eyes.
You pay taxes too and you pay health insurance. He only pays taxes. After you add your sales, state, local, federal, SSN, and property taxes the might even pay less taxes.
I think the broader point is this. He pays taxes and in return gets free health care. You pay taxes and in return get shiny bombers and the privledge of occupying iraq, oh and secret CIA prisons scattered around the planet.
"And, if you live in a socialist country, that's great. But let's pick one."
We already live in a socialist country. The majority of the US budget is spent on the so called "discretionary spending" programs meaning socialist things like social security, medicare, medicaid, subsidies to farmers, miners, loggers, and other businesses etc.
By the way interesting statistic for you, 75 percent of all businesses fail within the first five years.
Go back and read my post. Notice the word "major" in front of the word "distro". I didn't say there were not a plethora of smaller and "geeky" distros that default to KDE I said there were no "major" ones.
Who are the "major" distros?. Novell, redhat, debian, ubuntu and maybe linspire.
Once again. We are not talking about you. We are talking about businesses who are paying for windows and office. They probably don't care so much about ugly especially if it's free.
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"Are you suggesting that Microsoft will turn down your money for a support call on a Windows XP BSOD because you have installed Firefox? I doubt it."
The EULA you agreed to says they can. In practice this means they will still take your money, blame the other software and close the case. Either that or like you said they will ask you to install a new server with only MS software on it, load all your data to it and then try to replicate the problem. After a week of blowing your sysadmin's time you won't be able to replicate the problem, they will take your money and close the case.
Yes, I have been there, done that. They once asked us to ship our entire database to them. The CIO flipped. Imagine sending all your customers, vendors, transactions and all kinds of sensitive data to MS!. Trust me they know how to get you to close those pesky tickets.
Are you saying that MSDE is a "high end database"? LOL, a database with a four gig limit, can only use one processor and can't use more then a gig of RAM. I guess that what passes for "high end database" with you huh?
Red Hat: If it doesn't work and you tweak it there is a chance redhat will not support you (but maybe somebody else will)
Windows: If it doesn't work you can't tweak it, if you attempt to tweak it you there is a chance you could be sued.
Geez I don't know....
I was reading about the replication capabilities of ingres. It seems to extremely advanced, and certainly more advanced then anything firebird, mysql or postgres has. I don't know if the licences allow it but it sure would be nice to have that kind of replication facilities in postgres.
Can it do multi master bi directional replication with failover using a shared nothing architecture?
"Oracle is to expensive for their needs,"
Oracle costs the same as SQL server. For every product level in SQL server there is a corresponding one in Oracle with the same or greater feature set that costs the same or less. Yes there are oracle products that cost more then SQL server ones but they do things SQL server can't.
Postgres already does this.
What's worse is that you have upload your assemblies into SQL server for that to work. How much you want to bet they don't replicate? Can you even imagine what will happen if you break the current assemblies?
Sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.
I should say though that this is great for MS. They charge per CPU for the database, the more they can chew up your CPU with non database related code the more likely you will add CPUs and pay the additional licenses.
I would prefer to have my business logic in a middle tier where I am not paying per CPU and leave the database alone to enforce integrity.
No SQL server DBA I know uses the built in replication of SQL server. Unless they have revemped it completely and it actually works in real live environments you are probably better off log shipping.
Isn't there a maximum amount of connections limitation too?
Honestly I don't get it. Why would somebody use a deliberately crippled piece of software when you can get uncrippled open source databases for free.
Not to mention the cost of repairs, I had my powerbook die on me in AU and they wanted 800AU to fix it. I waited till I got to the US where it only cost a couple of hundred dollars to get the mainboard replaced.
"The other benefits I get is that the OS is very solid, I get all the unix tools I need, and it 'just works'."
It only "just works" when you use hardware that is compatible. When I got my mac I had many devices hooked up my windows machine that didn't "just work" because the Mac did not support them. For example my hp-3100 printer won't work at all, not even a little bit. I had to go and buy another printer to hook up to the Mac. Of course the reason for that is that it's a windows only printer and CUPS has no support for it.
Macs (just like linux) "just work" when you stick with supported hardware.
I don't think it will ever get there. By the time it gets anywhere near to that people will start to kill each other simply to ease their misery.
You have to get it out of your mind that coding is the only way to contribute to open source. Also please try to understand the the freedom to upgrade when you want, the freedom to choose vendors, the freedom to try things to see if you like them without it costing you an arm and a leg and the freedom to download and install a product without getting budgetary approvals, giving your credit card number to somebody and waiting for delivery is very important. More important then coding.
"While I cannot deny that it's a profitable business, it's not profitable enough to make most people engaged in it very wealthy."
Is there something wrong with that? Isn't it enough simply to be wealthy or somewhat wealthy or even GASP upper middle class wealthy?
It seems to me the support models is a little more egalitarian. Iw ill enable many many people to be well off rather then having just a few people to be very wealthy. In fact it will probably enable just about anybody who wants to make a decent living supporting a few companies for life.
How will appointing fundemantalist christians into the supreme court keep anybody safe? All it will do speed up the talibanization of america.
The anthrax attack was aimed at liberals so I would not expect this govt to pursue that vigorously.
By the way there were also terrorists attacks against sikhs and muslims too. Minor ones but terrorist attacks nevertheless. Also there were the church burnings, those were definately designed to instill terror.
"Whiners. Go have fun in your little EU. Don't like america? Don't live there, quit your bitching."
And I should also add don't eat at mcdonalds, don't drink budwiser, don't listen to americna music, don't watch american tv.
Buying and using american products make you look like fools and takes away any credibility you may have when critizing america. You can not simultaniously support a country and denounce it. It's stupid and useless.
Put your money where your mouth is. Stop buying american products and services.
Right just like most people use word, most people use windows etc.
Of course most people use something other then openoffice. The idea is to reduce reduce those numbers so that eventually most people use open office and linux.
You I thought of something else. The US doesn't have to spend even a penny counting the number of people it kills. All it has to do is to allow the reporters to report what they see. A free press would be happy to count the dead for them and even take pictures of some of them.
Too bad free press only seems to exist in the arab world anymore. If it wasn't for the arab press we wouldn't even know that there was a war going on.
"I think that if you look a little bit closer at our economy, you might just see that we aren't currently spending at the ratio you quote."
Go look at the US budget. You will see that discretionary spending dwarfs military spending. This is amazing considering that the invasion and occupation of iraq is costing 100 billion a year so far.
Staggering really. Go check it out, it will open your eyes.
You pay taxes too and you pay health insurance. He only pays taxes. After you add your sales, state, local, federal, SSN, and property taxes the might even pay less taxes.
I think the broader point is this. He pays taxes and in return gets free health care. You pay taxes and in return get shiny bombers and the privledge of occupying iraq, oh and secret CIA prisons scattered around the planet.
"And, if you live in a socialist country, that's great. But let's pick one."
We already live in a socialist country. The majority of the US budget is spent on the so called "discretionary spending" programs meaning socialist things like social security, medicare, medicaid, subsidies to farmers, miners, loggers, and other businesses etc.
By the way interesting statistic for you, 75 percent of all businesses fail within the first five years.
Go back and read my post. Notice the word "major" in front of the word "distro". I didn't say there were not a plethora of smaller and "geeky" distros that default to KDE I said there were no "major" ones.
Who are the "major" distros?. Novell, redhat, debian, ubuntu and maybe linspire.
Yes they all default to gnome.
Once again. We are not talking about you. We are talking about businesses who are paying for windows and office. They probably don't care so much about ugly especially if it's free.