"I disagree. This is a perfectly feasible belief."
Not by any definition of "feasable" that I know.
"It is not the simplest explanation for observable evidence and it is can not be falsified by a conceivable experiment[1], so does not count as science, but it is a perfectly valid belief."
This is a non sequitor. Since it's not possible to disprove a negative the whole sentence is nonsesical. What you are saying is that any belief that calls for negative proof is valid.
"You, I would imagine, believe that the universe was created several million years ago as a result of random chance. This belief is not proven - no science is. All science gives us is a set of reasonable hypotheses which are not contradicted by observable evidence. "
Wow a correct statement!.
"Science doesn't even go into the why - whether the universe came into being as a result of random chance, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn, is a matter for belief, not science."
Ok.
"None of these beliefs is more scientific than any of the others - the only truly scientific belief here is an admission of ignorance."
How you arrive at this conclusion given your previous two sentences escapes me. Surely one of them is "more scientific" then the rest. You know like on sesame street. One of these doesn't belong here, one of these is just not the same. Are you seriously saying that flying spaghetti monster explanation is no more scientific then the currently accepted cosmological theories? Not even a little bit?
I seriously doubt the NSA is subject to the same budgeting process as the rest of the federal govt. Most of their money comes from the black budget anyway.
With the current war on terrorism the NSA can ask for and receive any amount of money they want. It looks like there will be at least one more war against either syria or iran by the time the next election rolls around and I bet there is a lot of activity at NSA in preparations for those wars.
I wonder how much astro turfing is going on in schools. I can see corporations singling out popular kids and giving them free stuff to influence the other kids who aspire to be popular. This kind of thing is more likely to work in high school but I bet it works in collage too.
"This is why you should read your license agreements very well. I wouldn't give them that right, and I'd own them if they did it anyway."
1) They would not tell you. 2) Most licences have clauses allowing them to change the terms anytime they want. 3) You could not own them because
a) You don't have enough money to sue MS or Sun or anybody really
b) If it's a smaller company you are suing they would file for chap 11 right after they sold their assets to a newly establised company in afghanistan.
Presuming you got your PC for free (also presuming you are unable to sell it) it only makes sense if your annual maintenance costs are less then two thousand dollars. It's pretty easy to rack that up just with backups!.
WHat I would worry about most is the hosting company combing through my data and either selling it, selling information about it, or targetting advertising based on it.
Once a corporation has enough information about you and has all your emails, documents, spreadsheets etc they would pretty much have to sell that information to others. There is just too much money there to ignore. Needless to say they won't tell anybody about it either.
If you have a small company of less then 20 people or so it may make sense to go with a hosted solution for email and some other functions.
If you go and read about the features of.MAC you will see that this is the market they are aiming at. You have email, shared calenders, backups, shared file storage, syncing with handheld devices etc..MAC costs 99 per employee per year. If you have 20 employees that's two grand per year. That's chump change compared with the cost of buying a server, maintaining a server, and paying for all that software.
The only logical alternative is to hire a local firm to install a linux server and set it up for you. Once it's set up the cost of ongoing maintenance should be minimal. The initial install may cost more then two grand but you will get additional functionality out of it too.
"Hurry up and release the Netscape-LDAP 100% free and unencumbered."
Red Hat already did this.
"Pick an open project for calendaring/mail and make Outlook work with it"
Doesn't all of them work with outlook. I am trying really hard to think of one without an outlook plug in and I can't. What were you thinking about?
It looks like your two gripes have been taken care of already.
" Pick one, and build the turnkey solution to do it./phew."
If you see a need here why not do it yourself? It may be an opportinity for you to make a million dollars selling an appliance. I don't think the market is there though, it's not that hard to set up ldap and kerberos.
Nah the big problem with ASP.NET is the lack of a generous community. Anybody can put a web site using zope, php, python or Ruby in two hours that is robust, well designed, skinnable, with fine grained ACLs and a zillion features just by downloading one of hundred already packaged applications and application frameworks. On top of that there is an unbelievable wealth of libraries avaliable make for a incredibly rich platform to work with. The amount of java frameworks and libraries is literally breathtaking and it still pales when compared to the PEAR or CPAN libraries.
Add to that zero compile cycles, and eclipse and you have a winner.
Can you honestly think of any Ruby on Rails developer moving to ASP.NET willingly? I can't.
Visual studio is expensive and if you had to add even more money on top of that just to try and be as good as a free product why would you use it?
Besides eclipse supports more languages then VS anyway not to mention more operating systems. I just don't see the point of using a program that only works in windows anymore, I have to use a PC at work but I have a mac at home if it won't run on both platforms it's out of the question for me.
While I think the open source world does need to grow up a bit the MS world also needs to get some moral compass and stop giving MS so much slack.
Speaking of growing up I have never heard of linus throwing chairs around, cursing, yelling, or calling MS employees communists, cancer and anti-american.
The MS community also needs to grow up and shed some of their zealotry, at a minimum they need to stop calling people names.
"So we may not always like Microsoft's products in every way, and we may downright hate some of their business practices. Does that make Visual Studio and C# any worse of a product? Does that make Microsoft Word a worse word processor? NO."
Walmart sells some nice televisions but I will never buy anything from them. I will never buy anything from MS for the same reason. They don't deserve my money.
Every time I hear the phrase "liberal intellectual elite" I know we are one day closer to electing somebody like pol pot into office. Once the supreme court gets dominated by religious fundamentalists it's all downhill from there and we are days away from that eventuality.
Why is the parent poster rated so high? This is clearly a wookie argument. Hey, don't look at the anti-science conservatives look at those evil PETA people they kill people!.
I know let's tally up all the people killed in the name of Jesus and all people killed by PETA and see who wins. Wanna play?
The problem is that those people are being pandered to. Instead of belittling or even trying to educate people who believe in stupid shit the right wing media is re-inforcing their beliefs while talking about the evil nature of the "educated elite" and waging war on university professors.
"And we smeared them with fake menstrual blood, and - get this - we actually went so far as to scare them with dogs! The utter, inhumane horror of it all!"
You also raped a few of them with lightsticks, beat 23 or so to death, let the dogs take chunks of flesh off of a couple of them too. That's just the ones we know of. But hey don't let the facts get in the way. There is no need to actually read the reports put out by the US army admiting to all of that. The army is just a bunch of pansy liberal fucks who are trying to make the US look bad.
"Cry me a fucking river, you limp-wristed, overly-sheltered, cowardly candy ass."
LOL Coming from an anoymous coward. Too pussy to even use a psydonym. Too lazy or stupid to sign up for a new name.
"And I mean that - those fuckers want to kill me and my family, I say we do unto them before they do unto us."
Nobody in Iraq wants to kill you, they just want you to stop killing them.
"But lucky for you, there's a helluva lot more people like me than there are of you in the good ole US of A."
What? You mean lazy, coward, republitard racists? I agree there are many people like you in the US of A.
"And shut the fuck up with that "We support our troops, too" crap. You do not. And drop the "You can't question my patriotism" dodge - it's not there to begin with."
Huh? Did anybody say that? I think you are hearing words in your head again. Oh by the way sending people off to die to secure oil wells is not supporting them.
"If it weren't for people like me you yellow cowards too afraid to risk anything "
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Mr too scared to use a fake name calling somebody a coward. Fucking republitard.
"So fuck you and all the idiots who "think" like you."
As a liberal I respect your homosexuality. If you have a desire to fuck other males that's none of my business.
"Switching to a GNU/Linux distribution because you're anti-Microsoft is not a long-term reason to switch."
I disagree completely. It's a moral choice, much like buying dolphin safe tuna, organic fruits, or fair trade coffee or refusing to shop at walmart. Most people do not make moral choices when buying stuff but a significant minority does.
MS is an unethical company who abuses the marketplace and even their employees (as the temp fiasco shows). I don't shop at walmart, I don't buy MS products for the exact same reason. They are both sleazy unethical companies that don't deserve my money and ruin the community around them.
There is no such thing as international law. I think the recent US actions in Iraq and guantanamo has proved that once and for all. If you have the will and the guns to back them up with then you do whatever you want.
In this case I don't think that even Bush is willing to wage war in South Korea so they could do it.
MS could cut off the google oxygen supply by offering cheaper ad rates, in fact they could offer free ads on the windows desktop if you sign up with MSN or something like that.
They could also force their users to click through the ads by poping windows in response to menu items or dialog boxes delivered by office. For example saving a file in office could trigger a program to read the contents of your DOC file and schedule a pop up next time you open up IE depending on the content of your file.
They can deliver their customer base to advertisers and force them to view ads when the user logs in, opens files, closes files, launches a program, or simply looks at their desktop. What are the users going to do? Switch? If the users haven't switched by now they never will.
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If apple went away who would do R&D for Microsoft?
"I disagree. This is a perfectly feasible belief."
Not by any definition of "feasable" that I know.
"It is not the simplest explanation for observable evidence and it is can not be falsified by a conceivable experiment[1], so does not count as science, but it is a perfectly valid belief."
This is a non sequitor. Since it's not possible to disprove a negative the whole sentence is nonsesical. What you are saying is that any belief that calls for negative proof is valid.
"You, I would imagine, believe that the universe was created several million years ago as a result of random chance. This belief is not proven - no science is. All science gives us is a set of reasonable hypotheses which are not contradicted by observable evidence. "
Wow a correct statement!.
"Science doesn't even go into the why - whether the universe came into being as a result of random chance, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or the Invisible Pink Unicorn, is a matter for belief, not science."
Ok.
"None of these beliefs is more scientific than any of the others - the only truly scientific belief here is an admission of ignorance."
How you arrive at this conclusion given your previous two sentences escapes me. Surely one of them is "more scientific" then the rest. You know like on sesame street. One of these doesn't belong here, one of these is just not the same. Are you seriously saying that flying spaghetti monster explanation is no more scientific then the currently accepted cosmological theories? Not even a little bit?
People who believe in god are not stupid but...
People who insist that their interpratation of god be mandatory reading in school are no different then the taliban.
People who believe that god created the earth in 7 days three thousand years ago are stupid.
I hope that makes is clear.
I seriously doubt the NSA is subject to the same budgeting process as the rest of the federal govt. Most of their money comes from the black budget anyway.
With the current war on terrorism the NSA can ask for and receive any amount of money they want. It looks like there will be at least one more war against either syria or iran by the time the next election rolls around and I bet there is a lot of activity at NSA in preparations for those wars.
To a republican there is no such thing as a "deceptive business practice". Oh and you are a socialist for saying there is.
I wonder how much astro turfing is going on in schools. I can see corporations singling out popular kids and giving them free stuff to influence the other kids who aspire to be popular. This kind of thing is more likely to work in high school but I bet it works in collage too.
"This is why you should read your license agreements very well. I wouldn't give them that right, and I'd own them if they did it anyway."
1) They would not tell you.
2) Most licences have clauses allowing them to change the terms anytime they want.
3) You could not own them because
a) You don't have enough money to sue MS or Sun or anybody really
b) If it's a smaller company you are suing they would file for chap 11 right after they sold their assets to a newly establised company in afghanistan.
Presuming you got your PC for free (also presuming you are unable to sell it) it only makes sense if your annual maintenance costs are less then two thousand dollars. It's pretty easy to rack that up just with backups!.
WHat I would worry about most is the hosting company combing through my data and either selling it, selling information about it, or targetting advertising based on it.
Once a corporation has enough information about you and has all your emails, documents, spreadsheets etc they would pretty much have to sell that information to others. There is just too much money there to ignore. Needless to say they won't tell anybody about it either.
If you have a small company of less then 20 people or so it may make sense to go with a hosted solution for email and some other functions.
.MAC you will see that this is the market they are aiming at. You have email, shared calenders, backups, shared file storage, syncing with handheld devices etc. .MAC costs 99 per employee per year. If you have 20 employees that's two grand per year. That's chump change compared with the cost of buying a server, maintaining a server, and paying for all that software.
If you go and read about the features of
The only logical alternative is to hire a local firm to install a linux server and set it up for you. Once it's set up the cost of ongoing maintenance should be minimal. The initial install may cost more then two grand but you will get additional functionality out of it too.
"Hurry up and release the Netscape-LDAP 100% free and unencumbered."
/phew."
Red Hat already did this.
"Pick an open project for calendaring/mail and make Outlook work with it"
Doesn't all of them work with outlook. I am trying really hard to think of one without an outlook plug in and I can't. What were you thinking about?
It looks like your two gripes have been taken care of already.
" Pick one, and build the turnkey solution to do it.
If you see a need here why not do it yourself? It may be an opportinity for you to make a million dollars selling an appliance. I don't think the market is there though, it's not that hard to set up ldap and kerberos.
All I want to know is "have they fixed replication yet". Just fucking give me a replication that works, is that too much to ask for?
Nah the big problem with ASP.NET is the lack of a generous community. Anybody can put a web site using zope, php, python or Ruby in two hours that is robust, well designed, skinnable, with fine grained ACLs and a zillion features just by downloading one of hundred already packaged applications and application frameworks. On top of that there is an unbelievable wealth of libraries avaliable make for a incredibly rich platform to work with. The amount of java frameworks and libraries is literally breathtaking and it still pales when compared to the PEAR or CPAN libraries.
Add to that zero compile cycles, and eclipse and you have a winner.
Can you honestly think of any Ruby on Rails developer moving to ASP.NET willingly? I can't.
Sure slashdot it biased but so is gotdotnet. What's the point of whining about it? At least here they don't delete your posts.
Visual studio is expensive and if you had to add even more money on top of that just to try and be as good as a free product why would you use it?
Besides eclipse supports more languages then VS anyway not to mention more operating systems. I just don't see the point of using a program that only works in windows anymore, I have to use a PC at work but I have a mac at home if it won't run on both platforms it's out of the question for me.
While I think the open source world does need to grow up a bit the MS world also needs to get some moral compass and stop giving MS so much slack.
Speaking of growing up I have never heard of linus throwing chairs around, cursing, yelling, or calling MS employees communists, cancer and anti-american.
The MS community also needs to grow up and shed some of their zealotry, at a minimum they need to stop calling people names.
"So we may not always like Microsoft's products in every way, and we may downright hate some of their business practices. Does that make Visual Studio and C# any worse of a product? Does that make Microsoft Word a worse word processor? NO."
Walmart sells some nice televisions but I will never buy anything from them. I will never buy anything from MS for the same reason. They don't deserve my money.
Every time I hear the phrase "liberal intellectual elite" I know we are one day closer to electing somebody like pol pot into office. Once the supreme court gets dominated by religious fundamentalists it's all downhill from there and we are days away from that eventuality.
I don't speak from experience but I bet human meat is even more tasty. Nice and fatty, tender, and soft.
Yes, and chewbacka is a wookie....
Why is the parent poster rated so high? This is clearly a wookie argument. Hey, don't look at the anti-science conservatives look at those evil PETA people they kill people!.
I know let's tally up all the people killed in the name of Jesus and all people killed by PETA and see who wins. Wanna play?
The problem is that those people are being pandered to. Instead of belittling or even trying to educate people who believe in stupid shit the right wing media is re-inforcing their beliefs while talking about the evil nature of the "educated elite" and waging war on university professors.
"And we smeared them with fake menstrual blood, and - get this - we actually went so far as to scare them with dogs! The utter, inhumane horror of it all!"
You also raped a few of them with lightsticks, beat 23 or so to death, let the dogs take chunks of flesh off of a couple of them too. That's just the ones we know of. But hey don't let the facts get in the way. There is no need to actually read the reports put out by the US army admiting to all of that. The army is just a bunch of pansy liberal fucks who are trying to make the US look bad.
"Cry me a fucking river, you limp-wristed, overly-sheltered, cowardly candy ass."
LOL Coming from an anoymous coward. Too pussy to even use a psydonym. Too lazy or stupid to sign up for a new name.
"And I mean that - those fuckers want to kill me and my family, I say we do unto them before they do unto us."
Nobody in Iraq wants to kill you, they just want you to stop killing them.
"But lucky for you, there's a helluva lot more people like me than there are of you in the good ole US of A."
What? You mean lazy, coward, republitard racists? I agree there are many people like you in the US of A.
"And shut the fuck up with that "We support our troops, too" crap. You do not. And drop the "You can't question my patriotism" dodge - it's not there to begin with."
Huh? Did anybody say that? I think you are hearing words in your head again. Oh by the way sending people off to die to secure oil wells is not supporting them.
"If it weren't for people like me you yellow cowards too afraid to risk anything "
BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Mr too scared to use a fake name calling somebody a coward. Fucking republitard.
"So fuck you and all the idiots who "think" like you."
As a liberal I respect your homosexuality. If you have a desire to fuck other males that's none of my business.
It was pretty shocking to hear that a country wants one of it's enemies gone.
"Switching to a GNU/Linux distribution because you're anti-Microsoft is not a long-term reason to switch."
I disagree completely. It's a moral choice, much like buying dolphin safe tuna, organic fruits, or fair trade coffee or refusing to shop at walmart. Most people do not make moral choices when buying stuff but a significant minority does.
MS is an unethical company who abuses the marketplace and even their employees (as the temp fiasco shows). I don't shop at walmart, I don't buy MS products for the exact same reason. They are both sleazy unethical companies that don't deserve my money and ruin the community around them.
There is no such thing as international law. I think the recent US actions in Iraq and guantanamo has proved that once and for all. If you have the will and the guns to back them up with then you do whatever you want.
In this case I don't think that even Bush is willing to wage war in South Korea so they could do it.
Consider this.
MS could cut off the google oxygen supply by offering cheaper ad rates, in fact they could offer free ads on the windows desktop if you sign up with MSN or something like that.
They could also force their users to click through the ads by poping windows in response to menu items or dialog boxes delivered by office. For example saving a file in office could trigger a program to read the contents of your DOC file and schedule a pop up next time you open up IE depending on the content of your file.
They can deliver their customer base to advertisers and force them to view ads when the user logs in, opens files, closes files, launches a program, or simply looks at their desktop. What are the users going to do? Switch? If the users haven't switched by now they never will.