I know a guy who did that. It cost less to buy a ticket, go to india, get work done then to have it done here. He needed orthodonture (sp?) and his insurance didn't cover it.
It's about none of that. It's about mimicing windows that's all. Everytime anybody tries to innovate a new GUI the masses scream that it does not look and work like "what they are used to" meaning windows.
I once saw this exchange on TV on the howard stern show.
Howard is talking to a model and asks the question.
"What is in the center of the solar system" The model doesn't know. Howard: Did you go to collage? Model: yes Howard: which one? Model: Harvard.
Oh and this one from the enron hearings in congress.
Congressman: Why didn't you report this income (Kenneth) Lay: I didn't think I had to Congressman: What do you mean? Every accountant knows that you have to report this income. Lay: I didn't. Congressman: You have a degree? Lay: Yes I have an MBA. Congressman: Where did you get the MBA from Lay: Harvard business school!
If your CIO is not reading or not making the legal staff read the contracts and licences that your company is bound by you should quit. Your business isn't going to last for long with management that inept.
The best thing about debian is not apt. It's the fact that the entire distribution is tested as one cohesive environment. It's a unified system. What does this mean?
Simple you can feel confident that installing something will not break something else.
That alone is worth more then all other packaging systems put together.
I also really like the fact that all packages come either pre-configured to work with debian or have configuration scripts run at install time.
Oh and I love equavalences.
All of this comes at a price of course. If you want to run a well tested system you have to consent to running the tested versions of software which may mean running older software in production environments. For the fearless you can always run unstable.
It only takes two minues to read the thing. If you wanted to take a whole hour you could read commentary on it. I just don't see where it's a burden. I bet many CIOs have read it. They read software licenses all the time. Every CIO has either read or had their legal dept read every single contract they have signed with MS, IBM, or any other software company I am sure they have also read the GPL. If anything it's way simpler then the contract your company signed with MS.
My post is not about objecting to a license that is not GPL or BSD. I am simply pointing out that if the license is not sufficiently free that SUN will not be able to build a community around it. If only SUN engineers are working on solaris and if only SUN can approve patches, and if only SUN can redistribute it then there will be no difference between the new solaris and the old one.
Would you want to code for sun for no money? Me neither.
The JCP is not a standards body. You can keep saying that it is but that won't make it true.
"Do you think IBM (or other companies) would have got so on board with Java if the process for changing the language was not open?"
Yes I do. IBM wanted in just to have a voice. They have repeatedly called for open sourcing java and are willing to donate tons of code if it ever happens. They are much more comfortable with the GPL then the current java licensing.
I don't think so. It sounds like your company is especially inept and lazy. In my company the CIO has read the GPL and understands it. Since he is kind of stickler I am sure he has also run it by the legal dept.
I will have to take a hard look at groovy. Do you know of anyplace where there is an example of an CMP bean or a session bean written in groovy or even jython? I really like all the things the j2ee container gives you but like I said I just can't stand java.
Mmmm if the companies were really that worried they could probably hire a lawyer and read the license itself. IF they still had questions the lawyer could drop an email to the FSF and ask for a clarification.
Of course they could probably skip the lawyer part, read the license themseves (it's pretty plain english) or email the FSF themselves too.
It sounds like your hypothetical comapny is too lazy to any of that.
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I know a guy who did that. It cost less to buy a ticket, go to india, get work done then to have it done here. He needed orthodonture (sp?) and his insurance didn't cover it.
At what point does it become harrasment of fyodor? If they want logs one a month, once a week, several times a day?
/dev/null? Wouldn't that get the FBI off his back? He could simply say "I don't keep webs erver logs.
It seems like there ought to be some limits someplace.
Also legally can fyodor simply log to
It's about none of that. It's about mimicing windows that's all. Everytime anybody tries to innovate a new GUI the masses scream that it does not look and work like "what they are used to" meaning windows.
Nobody has bashed AMD. You have confused bashing MS with bashing AMD.
I call bullshit. MS execs are rolling in the dough. don't tell me being a criminal is not all that fun, just look at how they live.
I once saw this exchange on TV on the howard stern show.
Howard is talking to a model and asks the question.
"What is in the center of the solar system"
The model doesn't know.
Howard: Did you go to collage?
Model: yes
Howard: which one?
Model: Harvard.
Oh and this one from the enron hearings in congress.
Congressman: Why didn't you report this income
(Kenneth) Lay: I didn't think I had to
Congressman: What do you mean? Every accountant knows that you have to report this income.
Lay: I didn't.
Congressman: You have a degree?
Lay: Yes I have an MBA.
Congressman: Where did you get the MBA from
Lay: Harvard business school!
Audience: Laughter.
Just goes to show.
What makes you think they would respect human lives? They ahve done plenty of things that indicate that they don't have any ethics whatsoever.
I wonder if this could become new business plan.
Critize MS vocally and vehemently.
Petition the govts to fight software patents.
Ms buys you off to shut up
Profit!!!
never used wine, never needed it, never wanted it.
Let me put it this way.
If your CIO is not reading or not making the legal staff read the contracts and licences that your company is bound by you should quit. Your business isn't going to last for long with management that inept.
Out of date yes, broken not in my experience (I run stable). Debian stable is solid as a rock. It's old but solid.
Personally it would be great if debian committed to a yearly release. Any more then that and it would be too much work for my environment.
The best thing about debian is not apt. It's the fact that the entire distribution is tested as one cohesive environment. It's a unified system. What does this mean?
Simple you can feel confident that installing something will not break something else.
That alone is worth more then all other packaging systems put together.
I also really like the fact that all packages come either pre-configured to work with debian or have configuration scripts run at install time.
Oh and I love equavalences.
All of this comes at a price of course. If you want to run a well tested system you have to consent to running the tested versions of software which may mean running older software in production environments. For the fearless you can always run unstable.
It only takes two minues to read the thing. If you wanted to take a whole hour you could read commentary on it. I just don't see where it's a burden. I bet many CIOs have read it. They read software licenses all the time. Every CIO has either read or had their legal dept read every single contract they have signed with MS, IBM, or any other software company I am sure they have also read the GPL. If anything it's way simpler then the contract your company signed with MS.
My post is not about objecting to a license that is not GPL or BSD. I am simply pointing out that if the license is not sufficiently free that SUN will not be able to build a community around it. If only SUN engineers are working on solaris and if only SUN can approve patches, and if only SUN can redistribute it then there will be no difference between the new solaris and the old one.
Would you want to code for sun for no money? Me neither.
Would that be a lie? Isn't Bush (well his admnistration anyway) for software patents. Isn't the republican party all about intellectual property?
If the feds planted a trojan it certainly would not show up in your ps -ax.
The JCP is not a standards body. You can keep saying that it is but that won't make it true.
"Do you think IBM (or other companies) would have got so on board with Java if the process for changing the language was not open?"
Yes I do. IBM wanted in just to have a voice. They have repeatedly called for open sourcing java and are willing to donate tons of code if it ever happens. They are much more comfortable with the GPL then the current java licensing.
I don't think so. It sounds like your company is especially inept and lazy. In my company the CIO has read the GPL and understands it. Since he is kind of stickler I am sure he has also run it by the legal dept.
I will have to take a hard look at groovy. Do you know of anyplace where there is an example of an CMP bean or a session bean written in groovy or even jython? I really like all the things the j2ee container gives you but like I said I just can't stand java.
I should have been more specific I should have said you can't build EJB beans with groovy. I would love be wrong though.
"Among python, perl, and PHP, only python has superior language syntax to Java"
Here is an example from the apache merlin web site
"ReferenceDescriptor reference =
new ReferenceDescriptor( Widget.class.getName() );
ComponentModel model = (ComponentModel) m_model.getModel( reference );
model.commission();
Widget widget = (Widget) model.resolve();"
Notice how you have to type everything three times. Just reading that makes me angry.
Simply that you can't fork it if you disagree with Sun. That's why there are GPLed projects like CLASSPATH.
"The execution was terrible, and now it's an embarassment."
Well you can't put lipstick on a pig and call it a beauty queen.
"Perhaps if this move is successful, Sun would start abandoning hardware, and move towards a more services-based company"
They are going to have to do something. They are getting bitchslapped both on the hardware and the software markets.
Doesn't it bother you that you have to get a lawyer in order to use a product you bought and paid for?
Mmmm if the companies were really that worried they could probably hire a lawyer and read the license itself. IF they still had questions the lawyer could drop an email to the FSF and ask for a clarification.
Of course they could probably skip the lawyer part, read the license themseves (it's pretty plain english) or email the FSF themselves too.
It sounds like your hypothetical comapny is too lazy to any of that.
It does establish intent which is powerful in the court of law.