I don't know about everybody else but what would you get by suing mono? Who would pay you and how much could you get out of them?
Anyway MS will pay. They have to because they will be suing people for patent infringement soon. If anything they will purchase this patent and sue other people with it.
1) Samsung has just admitted that it is distributing products which infringe on MS patents. 2) This agreement is for a limited time.
Once this agreement runs out MS will be able to sue Samsung and it will have an ironclad case because samsung has admitted that it is violating MS patents.
"That's a pretty arguable excuse. Microsoft's a target because of their market share. Sounds like you have a hate-on for them."
I do have a hate on for them. What of it? Is it wrong to hate corporations all of a sudden or something?
"There's a whole sub industry that's been created BECAUSE of Microsoft. I've seen companies charge $100 for spyware cleanup... In fact it's pretty easy to argue that Windows 95 and 98 brought home computing to the masses...'
You are presuming that if MS didn't exist people would stop using computers and people would stop writing software and nobody else would have filled in the void.
"Even if you build it, they may not come. Someone could release an outlook/exchange replacement tomorrow and it may very well have zero-effect."
For the love of god people there are at least a half a dozen exchange replacements and they all work with outlook if you are addicted to that bloated pig of a usablity nightmare.
"Why is it suddenly the goal of OSS is to defeat MS? Can't we just keep making OSS for the sake of making software? This shit is too agenda-driven for me."
Because MS is bad for the IT industry. It should be the goal of every sane and rational IT worker to topple MS from it's perch.
"oogle is a close-source corporation that is an infamous data miner."
I think at one time Turkey wanted to be in the EU but I don't think that's true anymore. I think Turkey now realizes that EU does not want a muslims country in their club and that they would be better of trying to form some sort of a union with other turkic countries in the region most of whom have cultural ties (and oil).
How would they respond? Everybody knows they weren't going to let turkey in anyway. What are they going to do say "now we are really not going to in, whereas before we merely not going to let you in"
This is different. This is the new MS strategy known as "pay people to use your products". They are doing it with their search engine too. They are offering to pay corporations money to make their employees use the live search engine.
They have more money then they have interesting and compelling products so it may work for them although it's an oddball tactic. Paying people to use your products I think I missed that on econ 101.
If you have ever been to australia you would know that racism is rampant over there. Not just against aboriginals but also muslims and all kinds of "pacific islanders" (meaning assorted brown people).
If you hear an Assie say anything nice about any brown people mark it on your calender as a banner day.
"So you figure that anyone who claims to hate Microsoft but think that they are not always implacably and irredeemably evil must be a shill of one sort or the other?"
There are a couple of phrases that must be written in the big book of astro turfing put out by the MS PR firms.
There is no other explanation for the verbatim posts but all MS fan boys and shills. Look at the grandparent for example. Have you heard those phrases before? I have. Nearly word for word repeated by at least a dozen employees and official spokespeople.
They must get together and chant those phrases or something I swear.
"even though lots of the contributions start with "I hate Microsoft like the next guy, but...". That's perfectly cool."
Yes. That's out of shilling for corporations 101.
There are a lot of people here who shill for MS. Some are paid to do it, some do it because they work for MS, some do it because they love the corporation (for whatever reason).
Does it support arbitrary data? In zabbix for example I can create a data point called "number_of_databases_backed_up" and send it to the zabbix server using a simple XML or socket based call and have zabbix chart them for me.
"You mean where SCO defended the hell out of themselves, then lost? "
Fill me in. Which case was that?
I am talking about the one where SCO sued IBM and the case is still going on after years and SCO hasn't even specified which SCO code IBM allegedly stole.
The US has the best legal system money can buy. If you have money you can buy any result you like.
In this case the RIAA has a lot of money so no judge in the country is going to smack them down for suing children. In fact the judges are going to rule against the child in a summary decision because the kid can't afford a lawyer and will not show up in court because nobody gave them a ride.
It doesn't matter. They already reversed themselves on their most important pledge and that is to leverage their patents against anybody who sues an open source project for patent violation.
They will no longer come to the defense of open source projects if MS sues them and that's what MS was after all along. MS has already gotten the same kind of deal from Sun. If they can get IBM they will be done.
There is an open source project inspired by VFP but based on python. It's called Dabo http://dabodev.com/ . Check it out if you are interested in getting on board with something that isn't obselete.
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They might pay the company on the condition that the company go after adobe. 10 or 20 billion is nothing to MS but it would crush adobe like a grape.
I don't know about everybody else but what would you get by suing mono? Who would pay you and how much could you get out of them?
Anyway MS will pay. They have to because they will be suing people for patent infringement soon. If anything they will purchase this patent and sue other people with it.
"And how does this hurt Samsung?"
1) Samsung has just admitted that it is distributing products which infringe on MS patents.
2) This agreement is for a limited time.
Once this agreement runs out MS will be able to sue Samsung and it will have an ironclad case because samsung has admitted that it is violating MS patents.
Why not go straight to the source. Boycott MS products.
Anybody who uses Linux or likes linux should make a promise right now to never buy or use another MS product again. Not even a mouse.
Chinese are buyers too you know.
Why don't the corporations man their data centers 24X7 or outsource?
"That's a pretty arguable excuse. Microsoft's a target because of their market share. Sounds like you have a hate-on for them."
I do have a hate on for them. What of it? Is it wrong to hate corporations all of a sudden or something?
"There's a whole sub industry that's been created BECAUSE of Microsoft. I've seen companies charge $100 for spyware cleanup... In fact it's pretty easy to argue that Windows 95 and 98 brought home computing to the masses...'
You are presuming that if MS didn't exist people would stop using computers and people would stop writing software and nobody else would have filled in the void.
"Even if you build it, they may not come. Someone could release an outlook/exchange replacement tomorrow and it may very well have zero-effect."
For the love of god people there are at least a half a dozen exchange replacements and they all work with outlook if you are addicted to that bloated pig of a usablity nightmare.
"Why is it suddenly the goal of OSS is to defeat MS? Can't we just keep making OSS for the sake of making software? This shit is too agenda-driven for me."
Because MS is bad for the IT industry. It should be the goal of every sane and rational IT worker to topple MS from it's perch.
"oogle is a close-source corporation that is an infamous data miner."
None of the exchange replacements need google.
"Any conversion of such things should reasonably be done in the tool doing the file conversion, not in the file format itself."
Any by a strange coincidence only MS tools will be able to convert them.
"For one thing Europe is today dominated by liberal socialism."
And yet the muslims are universally hated in europe.
"90 years after the fall of the empire the Islamic neighbours still hate Turkey for it's imperialism, ruling out any real union with real countries."
Some do others see an ally. Go learn about the area before you post more ignorant remarks.
I think at one time Turkey wanted to be in the EU but I don't think that's true anymore. I think Turkey now realizes that EU does not want a muslims country in their club and that they would be better of trying to form some sort of a union with other turkic countries in the region most of whom have cultural ties (and oil).
How would they respond? Everybody knows they weren't going to let turkey in anyway. What are they going to do say "now we are really not going to in, whereas before we merely not going to let you in"
Rest of the world: Hey look at this cool thing I did!
Microsoft: Me Too!!!!
This is different. This is the new MS strategy known as "pay people to use your products". They are doing it with their search engine too. They are offering to pay corporations money to make their employees use the live search engine.
They have more money then they have interesting and compelling products so it may work for them although it's an oddball tactic. Paying people to use your products I think I missed that on econ 101.
If you have ever been to australia you would know that racism is rampant over there. Not just against aboriginals but also muslims and all kinds of "pacific islanders" (meaning assorted brown people).
If you hear an Assie say anything nice about any brown people mark it on your calender as a banner day.
"So you figure that anyone who claims to hate Microsoft but think that they are not always implacably and irredeemably evil must be a shill of one sort or the other?"
There are a couple of phrases that must be written in the big book of astro turfing put out by the MS PR firms.
There is no other explanation for the verbatim posts but all MS fan boys and shills. Look at the grandparent for example. Have you heard those phrases before? I have. Nearly word for word repeated by at least a dozen employees and official spokespeople.
They must get together and chant those phrases or something I swear.
"How are you determining a shill? "
Somebody who provides free advertising for any corporation or attempts to defend any corporation when somebody says they do not like their products.
It's a fucking corporation, they don't need you to shill for them, they have PR firms and advertising budgets.
"I don't see a "lot" of pro-microsoft here."
Then you are either blind or willfully ignorant.
"what news/forum site are you comparing it to that has less that doesn't contain open/linux/google/etc. in the URL?"
open, linux, google.
One of these things doesn't belong here, one of these things is not the same. Remember that song?
Linux is not a corporation, open is not a corporation, open source is not a corporation. Google, apple, MS etc are.
Shill all you want for a cause, shilling for a corporation is a sign of mental illness.
"even though lots of the contributions start with "I hate Microsoft like the next guy, but ...". That's perfectly cool."
Yes. That's out of shilling for corporations 101.
There are a lot of people here who shill for MS. Some are paid to do it, some do it because they work for MS, some do it because they love the corporation (for whatever reason).
Why does the congress care what they do as long as the lobbyist drops off the suitcase full of money?
Nah, more languages run on the JVM then .NET and most run better on the JVM.
Does it support arbitrary data? In zabbix for example I can create a data point called "number_of_databases_backed_up" and send it to the zabbix server using a simple XML or socket based call and have zabbix chart them for me.
"You mean where SCO defended the hell out of themselves, then lost? "
Fill me in. Which case was that?
I am talking about the one where SCO sued IBM and the case is still going on after years and SCO hasn't even specified which SCO code IBM allegedly stole.
The US has the best legal system money can buy. If you have money you can buy any result you like.
In this case the RIAA has a lot of money so no judge in the country is going to smack them down for suing children. In fact the judges are going to rule against the child in a summary decision because the kid can't afford a lawyer and will not show up in court because nobody gave them a ride.
Remember SCO v IBM? Yea, just like that.
It doesn't matter. They already reversed themselves on their most important pledge and that is to leverage their patents against anybody who sues an open source project for patent violation.
They will no longer come to the defense of open source projects if MS sues them and that's what MS was after all along. MS has already gotten the same kind of deal from Sun. If they can get IBM they will be done.
There is an open source project inspired by VFP but based on python. It's called Dabo http://dabodev.com/ . Check it out if you are interested in getting on board with something that isn't obselete.