If you are doing anything with computers you are competing with MS. If you are not competing with MS then MS will enter the market soon and compete with you.
A corporation is not a person. It's an entity which has all the same rights as a person but none of the responsibilities or the moral imperatives of human beings.
It's a soul-less, immortal being. Kind of like demons in the old testatement.
"Seriously, how is Microsoft Money a "failure"? I'm actually curious. Just clarify that one for me, if nothing else. Or Virtual PC? Really, I'm curious."
You think money has turned a profit? You think virtual PC has?
Take any of these products and spin them off into their own companies and they die. That's the definition of failure.
Another way all those products failed is that they were unable to gain a monopoly on the server. Ms has been trying for ages now to try and translate their monopoly on the desktop to the server and they have failed over and over again. No matter how much they bundle into their server products they are unable to reach a monopoly.
Second of all even if it was unfair so what? Why does a corporation (or two) need protections from unfair treatment on slashdot.
It's not a person, it has no feelings, it's a corporation. It doesn't care about you or any other human being except it's shareholders. It only cares about making money and giving it to it's shareholders.
Bob. Vista SQL server microsoft at work. xbox zune sidewalk travelocity msn live search money CRM sharepoint virtualpc
Oh man the list goes on and on. Virtually every MS product except windows and office have failed to reach goals MS has set for the products. Virtually all of them have been money drains that are only in existence because MS makes monopoly profits on windows and office.
Spin any of these products off and they die within a year. MS can only get market share by giving these away, forcing people to install them, or paying customers to use them (see live for example).
MS makes all of it's money on windows, office and buying and selling it's own stock. The rest are money pits.
When MS designed this thing they could have used mono as a base. That way they would have had an open source, cross platform base from the start. They could have distributed your (and your contributors) work with windows update and gotten mono on every windows desktop.
They didn't. They instead chose to pull the rug out from under you by open sourcing their own CLR (to some extent) and making it cross platform (to some extent).
They shit on you. Please don't just sit there with a grin on your face and take it. You are much too bright and hard working and don't deserve this kind of treatment.
It clearly says you may only distribute with a license compatible with this. It has limits on re-distribution and re-licensing in that the license has to be compatible with the this license.
This is exactly the same principle as the GPL. Just like you can't take GPLed code and release it under the MS license you can't take this code and release it under the GPL.
Actually how come MS just didn't make sure silverlight ran on mono and ship mono with windows? Or would that be too much like actually being cross platform and open source and all that jazz?
"A) No Trademark License- This license does not grant you rights to use any contributors' name, logo, or trademarks.
(B) If you bring a patent claim against any contributor over patents that you claim are infringed by the software, your patent license from such contributor to the software ends automatically.
(C) If you distribute any portion of the software, you must retain all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices that are present in the software.
(D) If you distribute any portion of the software in source code form, you may do so only under this license by including a complete copy of this license with your distribution. If you distribute any portion of the software in compiled or object code form, you may only do so under a license that complies with this license.
(E) The software is licensed "as-is." You bear the risk of using it. The contributors give no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws which this license cannot change. To the extent permitted under your local laws, the contributors exclude the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and non-infringement."
Section C is the advertisement clause a-la BSD before it was changed.
Section D is the viral clause a-la GPL.
This license limits your rights to re-license the code as you like which makes it very different then the BSD/MIT/X11 licenses.
This case was simply about MS spending a few million dollars to hurt IBM and Linux. The intent was to sink SCO all along and use it as tinder to burn Linux and IBM.
Along the say MS also burned baystar which may have some repercussions further down the road and it opened itself to all kinds of interesting lawsuits from IBM once the discovery from this case is gone over with a fine toothed comb.
MS knows this is coming and this is why they made a deal with Novell. They didn't want to fight two major lawsuits at the same time.
SQL server has implicit transactions. SQL server does not magically move the records for you after a delete. SQL server starts a transaction, moves your records and then deletes them after it's done.
Really it's not that much different then doing it yourself.
Anyway if you want to avoid transactions for speed use mysql.
I use sql server every day. I have used it for the last five years at my job every day. I hate the living shit out of it. I wish I could personally choke all the developers on the SQL server team. I would rather use anything else but sql server even mysql. I keep a instance of postgres running so I can do the things that I can't in sql server.
Honestly I can't understand why anybody would choose SQL server over oracle or postgres or db/2 (well other then "we are a windows shop and we only use MS products")
That's what transactions are for. What if the power goes out in the middle of your one statement? It's not like the server is doing everything in one step you know.
When something goes wrong with mysql or postgres you get a real error message which tells you exactly what went wrong. You type the error message into google and you get the answer.
When something goes wrong in SQL server you get a cryptic error message which doesn't say anything such as "multi step process caused an error". You type that into google and you get a thousand people who posted the same question and maybe twenty possible answers "which worked for me". You then spend the rest of the month trying each and every one of those solutions till you either fix the problem or you work around it.
SQL server is one of the hardest databases to work with no matter what the admin interface is like.
Oh and 2005 admin interface is a step back in usability and functionality.
Lose a debate? With who? You? The fuckhead who thinks torture is fine and dandy and who can not imagine any other way to solve our problems then to go to war? Lose a debate with you? Don't make me laugh.
"With brilliant, reasoned, factual debate like yours I'm sure you'll go far. I can see I'm done here..there's no use continuing this battle of wits with the unarmed."
Listen you need mental help. You killed lots of people in vietnam and that's got you all fucked up. You see enemies under every corner, you think the entire muslim world has declared war on you. You think the only possible way to go forward from this point is to start killing muslims like when you were killing gooks in vietnam.
You are sick. The soldiers you are sending to kill so you can get a vicarious hard on are going to end up just as mentally ill as you. Think about that for a second. They will all want to torture and kill for the rest of their lives just like you do.
For the sake of our country, for the sake of humanity either kill yourself or get help.
"Yup, ad-hominum attacks. The last resort of those without facts or reason on their side. "
Nothing else works with a republitard like yourself. All you know is hate. Facts are incabable of entering your brain and you live in the depths of ignorance which is hard to fathom by ordinary people.
"I'm *well* over 50, and I *did* do my share of actual real killing on the battlefield, watched my buddies die beside me, and along the way, got a dose of real-world life-and-death reality along with memories that haunt my dreams every single night."
So you are vietnam vet are you. Well good for you. I am sure the reason you are pro torture is because your experiences killing gooks have fucked you up. Get some help.
"I truly, despite your personal attacks, have the love for you of a fellow countryman."
Sorry my generation does not see the world in stark "us" and "them" like yours did. There are good americans and then there are americans like you.
"but there *is* a very real life-and-death worldwide struggle for power over the earth by the west and the east."
Only in the eyes of the most ignorant and the stupidest. People who are deprived of reality and fed a steady dose of AM radio tend to feel that way. Why don't you try reading for a change?
"The only thing left is to try to win the struggle as fast as possible, hopefully before WMDs are used, and attempt to keep the number of deaths as low as practically possible."
The fact that you think that's the ONLY THING LEFT TO DO shows how stupid you are. You are totaly bereft of any intelligence or imagination. The only thing you can think to do is to go on a murderous rage. Not surprising from a repulitard.
Why don't you think a little harder and see if you can think of at least one other thing to try.
The greatest thing that can happen for this world now is that somebody puts a bullet in your head. We need less people like you in the world and we definately need less people like you in the US.
Look I can't be responsible for your stupidity, ignorance and laziness. All the events I tallked about were widely published. There were congressional hearings about it. They were all over CNN, BBC, Washington post, and even fox news.
Apparently you are completely 100% ignorant of what is going in this regard. You have never heard of the abizaid report, you have never read it, you have no idea what it contains. You have never read the papers published by the DOJ describing what does and does not constitute torture. You did not tune into the congressional hearings when Gonzales was asked about his memo(s).
I can't be expected to educate every fucking retard who lives in this kind of ignorance. It would take more then a year to dig up every article and then present it to you and you probably would not read them anyway. Heck I don't think you CAN read them at this point.
Not only are you an ignorant fuck you are also morally corrupt. Anybody who advocates torture (waterboarding is torture) is evil.
Finally presuming you are a male and you are under 40 (typical for slashdot) you are also a coward. You should be going out there to kill some muslims yourself if you hate them so much. Go get your hands on a couple of a-rabs and peel their skin off in iraq. Nobody will say anything, they will applaud and film you.
And please don't deny you are a republican. I know why you would want to but it makes you look even worse. At least be man enough admit your voting patterns.
"To be fair, with regard to killing terrorists instead of jailing them, what terrorists and where were they killed? As far as I'm aware, the only ones that are/have being/been killed are on the battlefield, in the act of killing soldiers and innocent civilians."
Well there was a very famous case of a supposed terrorist being killed by a missile launched from a drone in kuwait or someplace. They guy was getting in a car and boom!. No need for messy trials or jails or nothing.
Then there was the case of the army admitting that many people were killed in afghanistan under US custody. The army coroner ruled the deaths murder.
Then there are the cases of the "disappeared" people. People the US announced that they had captured but nobody has seen since.
"o be fair, as to the 'torture chambers in gitmo', cite please? "
The US has admitted to conducting waterboarding, subjecting to extreme tempratures, sensory deprivation, "stress positions", and force feeding by tubes through the nose. These acts are considered to be torture by all international conventions and the US has admitted to using these methods on a regular basis. The US claims they are not torture but they are alone in that.
Correction to the above. Republicans claim these acts are not torture. Only republicans. Everybody else acknowledges that these are acts of torture.
"The Red Cross and other humanitarian organizations have been over gitmo with a fine-toothed comb, and no 'torture chambers' or anything even close exists at gitmo."
Nope. The red cross is not allowed unannounced visits and they are not allowed to interview detainees alone.
"As to any claims by the detainees, if *I* were a dedicated jihadist captured and sent to gitmo, if some do-gooder organization came asking, I'd wail and cry and gnash my teeth about all sorts of horrible conditions, daily torture, and my innocence, with the goal of creating as much trouble as I could for the hated unbelievers."
How convenient!. That's a really clever way to dismiss all claims of torture by everybody in every US prison everywhere in the world.
Anyway like I said the US itself has admitted comitting these acts, the armies own doctors have ruled the deaths murder. The only people who deny systematic torture by the US military and intelligence are republicans and let's face it how can anybody take anything any republican says at face value? People like you care more about your party then the constitution, morals, human rights, justice, fairness, law and order, or the country.
Keep denying that the US does not torture anybody. You and the rest of the 25% of the american public are a disgrace to humanity but it's important that we amplify your voices so that the rest of decent america knows people like you still exist. We can't get complacent. As long as people like you are around we must keep up our diligence.
To be fair the US has also killed many people instead of jailing them, particularly terrorists. I don't know what a typical chinese jail looks like but I think I would choose any jail over a torture chamber in gitmo.
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If you are doing anything with computers you are competing with MS. If you are not competing with MS then MS will enter the market soon and compete with you.
A corporation is not a person. It's an entity which has all the same rights as a person but none of the responsibilities or the moral imperatives of human beings.
It's a soul-less, immortal being. Kind of like demons in the old testatement.
"Seriously, how is Microsoft Money a "failure"? I'm actually curious. Just clarify that one for me, if nothing else. Or Virtual PC? Really, I'm curious."
You think money has turned a profit? You think virtual PC has?
Take any of these products and spin them off into their own companies and they die. That's the definition of failure.
Another way all those products failed is that they were unable to gain a monopoly on the server. Ms has been trying for ages now to try and translate their monopoly on the desktop to the server and they have failed over and over again. No matter how much they bundle into their server products they are unable to reach a monopoly.
First of all it's not unfair.
Second of all even if it was unfair so what? Why does a corporation (or two) need protections from unfair treatment on slashdot.
It's not a person, it has no feelings, it's a corporation. It doesn't care about you or any other human being except it's shareholders. It only cares about making money and giving it to it's shareholders.
MS failures.
Bob.
Vista
SQL server
microsoft at work.
xbox
zune
sidewalk
travelocity
msn
live search
money
CRM
sharepoint
virtualpc
Oh man the list goes on and on. Virtually every MS product except windows and office have failed to reach goals MS has set for the products. Virtually all of them have been money drains that are only in existence because MS makes monopoly profits on windows and office.
Spin any of these products off and they die within a year. MS can only get market share by giving these away, forcing people to install them, or paying customers to use them (see live for example).
MS makes all of it's money on windows, office and buying and selling it's own stock. The rest are money pits.
Java one is coming up. Java can already do everything silverfish can, the jvm is open sourced, I would expect some sort of an announcement there.
Dear Miguel.
When MS designed this thing they could have used mono as a base. That way they would have had an open source, cross platform base from the start. They could have distributed your (and your contributors) work with windows update and gotten mono on every windows desktop.
They didn't. They instead chose to pull the rug out from under you by open sourcing their own CLR (to some extent) and making it cross platform (to some extent).
They shit on you. Please don't just sit there with a grin on your face and take it. You are much too bright and hard working and don't deserve this kind of treatment.
There are plenty of kids around today who will take care of me when I am sick. After I die I will care even less about them then I do now.
Sounds like a perfectly sensible thing to me. Why not live a full rich life free from the burden of raising children?
It clearly says you may only distribute with a license compatible with this. It has limits on re-distribution and re-licensing in that the license has to be compatible with the this license.
This is exactly the same principle as the GPL. Just like you can't take GPLed code and release it under the MS license you can't take this code and release it under the GPL.
Why not run an applet in that case?
Actually how come MS just didn't make sure silverlight ran on mono and ship mono with windows? Or would that be too much like actually being cross platform and open source and all that jazz?
"A) No Trademark License- This license does not grant you rights to use any contributors' name, logo, or trademarks.
(B) If you bring a patent claim against any contributor over patents that you claim are infringed by the software, your patent license from such contributor to the software ends automatically.
(C) If you distribute any portion of the software, you must retain all copyright, patent, trademark, and attribution notices that are present in the software.
(D) If you distribute any portion of the software in source code form, you may do so only under this license by including a complete copy of this license with your distribution. If you distribute any portion of the software in compiled or object code form, you may only do so under a license that complies with this license.
(E) The software is licensed "as-is." You bear the risk of using it. The contributors give no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws which this license cannot change. To the extent permitted under your local laws, the contributors exclude the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and non-infringement."
Section C is the advertisement clause a-la BSD before it was changed.
Section D is the viral clause a-la GPL.
This license limits your rights to re-license the code as you like which makes it very different then the BSD/MIT/X11 licenses.
This case was simply about MS spending a few million dollars to hurt IBM and Linux. The intent was to sink SCO all along and use it as tinder to burn Linux and IBM.
Along the say MS also burned baystar which may have some repercussions further down the road and it opened itself to all kinds of interesting lawsuits from IBM once the discovery from this case is gone over with a fine toothed comb.
MS knows this is coming and this is why they made a deal with Novell. They didn't want to fight two major lawsuits at the same time.
We haven't heard the last of this yet.
SQL server has implicit transactions. SQL server does not magically move the records for you after a delete. SQL server starts a transaction, moves your records and then deletes them after it's done.
Really it's not that much different then doing it yourself.
Anyway if you want to avoid transactions for speed use mysql.
I use sql server every day. I have used it for the last five years at my job every day. I hate the living shit out of it. I wish I could personally choke all the developers on the SQL server team. I would rather use anything else but sql server even mysql. I keep a instance of postgres running so I can do the things that I can't in sql server.
Honestly I can't understand why anybody would choose SQL server over oracle or postgres or db/2 (well other then "we are a windows shop and we only use MS products")
That's what transactions are for. What if the power goes out in the middle of your one statement? It's not like the server is doing everything in one step you know.
Why can't you copy the data before you delete it?
When something goes wrong with mysql or postgres you get a real error message which tells you exactly what went wrong. You type the error message into google and you get the answer.
When something goes wrong in SQL server you get a cryptic error message which doesn't say anything such as "multi step process caused an error". You type that into google and you get a thousand people who posted the same question and maybe twenty possible answers "which worked for me". You then spend the rest of the month trying each and every one of those solutions till you either fix the problem or you work around it.
SQL server is one of the hardest databases to work with no matter what the admin interface is like.
Oh and 2005 admin interface is a step back in usability and functionality.
"Just...wow. I guess when you lose a debate, "
Lose a debate? With who? You? The fuckhead who thinks torture is fine and dandy and who can not imagine any other way to solve our problems then to go to war? Lose a debate with you? Don't make me laugh.
"With brilliant, reasoned, factual debate like yours I'm sure you'll go far. I can see I'm done here..there's no use continuing this battle of wits with the unarmed."
Listen you need mental help. You killed lots of people in vietnam and that's got you all fucked up. You see enemies under every corner, you think the entire muslim world has declared war on you. You think the only possible way to go forward from this point is to start killing muslims like when you were killing gooks in vietnam.
You are sick. The soldiers you are sending to kill so you can get a vicarious hard on are going to end up just as mentally ill as you. Think about that for a second. They will all want to torture and kill for the rest of their lives just like you do.
For the sake of our country, for the sake of humanity either kill yourself or get help.
Thanks for the MS view. I am sure they appreciate it very much.
"Yup, ad-hominum attacks. The last resort of those without facts or reason on their side. "
Nothing else works with a republitard like yourself. All you know is hate. Facts are incabable of entering your brain and you live in the depths of ignorance which is hard to fathom by ordinary people.
"I'm *well* over 50, and I *did* do my share of actual real killing on the battlefield, watched my buddies die beside me, and along the way, got a dose of real-world life-and-death reality along with memories that haunt my dreams every single night."
So you are vietnam vet are you. Well good for you. I am sure the reason you are pro torture is because your experiences killing gooks have fucked you up. Get some help.
"I truly, despite your personal attacks, have the love for you of a fellow countryman."
Sorry my generation does not see the world in stark "us" and "them" like yours did. There are good americans and then there are americans like you.
"but there *is* a very real life-and-death worldwide struggle for power over the earth by the west and the east."
Only in the eyes of the most ignorant and the stupidest. People who are deprived of reality and fed a steady dose of AM radio tend to feel that way. Why don't you try reading for a change?
"The only thing left is to try to win the struggle as fast as possible, hopefully before WMDs are used, and attempt to keep the number of deaths as low as practically possible."
The fact that you think that's the ONLY THING LEFT TO DO shows how stupid you are. You are totaly bereft of any intelligence or imagination. The only thing you can think to do is to go on a murderous rage. Not surprising from a repulitard.
Why don't you think a little harder and see if you can think of at least one other thing to try.
The greatest thing that can happen for this world now is that somebody puts a bullet in your head. We need less people like you in the world and we definately need less people like you in the US.
Look I can't be responsible for your stupidity, ignorance and laziness. All the events I tallked about were widely published. There were congressional hearings about it. They were all over CNN, BBC, Washington post, and even fox news.
Apparently you are completely 100% ignorant of what is going in this regard. You have never heard of the abizaid report, you have never read it, you have no idea what it contains. You have never read the papers published by the DOJ describing what does and does not constitute torture. You did not tune into the congressional hearings when Gonzales was asked about his memo(s).
I can't be expected to educate every fucking retard who lives in this kind of ignorance. It would take more then a year to dig up every article and then present it to you and you probably would not read them anyway. Heck I don't think you CAN read them at this point.
Not only are you an ignorant fuck you are also morally corrupt. Anybody who advocates torture (waterboarding is torture) is evil.
Finally presuming you are a male and you are under 40 (typical for slashdot) you are also a coward. You should be going out there to kill some muslims yourself if you hate them so much. Go get your hands on a couple of a-rabs and peel their skin off in iraq. Nobody will say anything, they will applaud and film you.
And please don't deny you are a republican. I know why you would want to but it makes you look even worse. At least be man enough admit your voting patterns.
It all depends on whether the hours booked on mono get charged to novell or not.
"To be fair, with regard to killing terrorists instead of jailing them, what terrorists and where were they killed? As far as I'm aware, the only ones that are/have being/been killed are on the battlefield, in the act of killing soldiers and innocent civilians."
Well there was a very famous case of a supposed terrorist being killed by a missile launched from a drone in kuwait or someplace. They guy was getting in a car and boom!. No need for messy trials or jails or nothing.
Then there was the case of the army admitting that many people were killed in afghanistan under US custody. The army coroner ruled the deaths murder.
Then there are the cases of the "disappeared" people. People the US announced that they had captured but nobody has seen since.
"o be fair, as to the 'torture chambers in gitmo', cite please? "
The US has admitted to conducting waterboarding, subjecting to extreme tempratures, sensory deprivation, "stress positions", and force feeding by tubes through the nose. These acts are considered to be torture by all international conventions and the US has admitted to using these methods on a regular basis. The US claims they are not torture but they are alone in that.
Correction to the above. Republicans claim these acts are not torture. Only republicans. Everybody else acknowledges that these are acts of torture.
"The Red Cross and other humanitarian organizations have been over gitmo with a fine-toothed comb, and no 'torture chambers' or anything even close exists at gitmo."
Nope. The red cross is not allowed unannounced visits and they are not allowed to interview detainees alone.
"As to any claims by the detainees, if *I* were a dedicated jihadist captured and sent to gitmo, if some do-gooder organization came asking, I'd wail and cry and gnash my teeth about all sorts of horrible conditions, daily torture, and my innocence, with the goal of creating as much trouble as I could for the hated unbelievers."
How convenient!. That's a really clever way to dismiss all claims of torture by everybody in every US prison everywhere in the world.
Anyway like I said the US itself has admitted comitting these acts, the armies own doctors have ruled the deaths murder. The only people who deny systematic torture by the US military and intelligence are republicans and let's face it how can anybody take anything any republican says at face value? People like you care more about your party then the constitution, morals, human rights, justice, fairness, law and order, or the country.
Keep denying that the US does not torture anybody. You and the rest of the 25% of the american public are a disgrace to humanity but it's important that we amplify your voices so that the rest of decent america knows people like you still exist. We can't get complacent. As long as people like you are around we must keep up our diligence.
To be fair the US has also killed many people instead of jailing them, particularly terrorists. I don't know what a typical chinese jail looks like but I think I would choose any jail over a torture chamber in gitmo.
Novell doesn't "contribute" to mono. It uses mono, it hypes mono it employes some (most?) mono programmers but that's about it.